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Here It Comes. The "War On Christmas  
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

I thought I might get through an entire holiday season without reading editorials about how people are trying to destroy Christmas. Nope. Columnist Roland Martin is here to bemoan the attacks on his holiday.

It seems the only people who perpetuate the idea that America is out to erase Christmas are the writers of these columns. Here's to fighting a cultural war that only exists in people's heads.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

We could have made it here if you didn't start this thread. You are playing right into their hands.  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I know. But it was just hanging there...


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineHickoryShampoo From Djibouti, joined Dec 2007, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2803 times:

One of the things that pisses me off about this wave of PC is the "Holiday Tree" debacle. W(ho)TF else uses a fir tree decorated with little lights and ornaments? Thank The Generic, Non-Specific Ultimate Deity (If There Actually Is One) there is usually a Home Depot next to every Lowes.  Yeah sure

I'm also sick of having to think "Crap....did I see a prayer rug in that lady's apartment?" before I finally settle on "Have a happy holiday."

Rrrrgh....I'm off to light my Holiday Family Menorah.  banghead 



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 2782 times:

When you're forced to say "Happy Holidays" at work, it does irritate me. I wouldn't call it a war. I don't think people walk around thinking of ways to destroy Christmas. However, not being able to say "Merry Christmas" at work because you might "offend" people is ridiculous. Both sides are equally to blame for the Christmas fiasco. Non-Christians are to blame because they started the war in the first place by griping and complaining when people wished them a Merry Christmas. Christians are to blame because they keep playing this Christmas fiasco up and acting like everyone is out to get them (this is coming from a Christian by the way).

User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3084 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 2766 times:



Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 4):
However, not being able to say "Merry Christmas" at work because you might "offend" people is ridiculous.

My employer has actually instructed us to wish our customers a Merry Christmas and nothing else. This in addition to the pins we now wear that say Merry Christmas. Sure I know In-N-Out is Christian, but at least common sense prevails here.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2735 times:



Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):

It seems the only people who perpetuate the idea that America is out to erase Christmas are the writers of these columns. Here's to fighting a cultural war that only exists in people's heads.

Exactly. Thanks heavens someones else sees it like that.

Especially in this board, these days you have 20 comments a day saying something like "I call it Christmas, whatever the PC brigade thinks of it", "where has this world come to when you can't even celebrate Christmas" etc. etc. Now I've seen literally hundreds of these paranoid remarks and not a single voice of reason stating that Christmas is somehow politically incorrect etc. Moreover, whenever some well-meaning provincial company or whoever starts saying "happy holidays" because they want to be nice to their non-Christian employees or whatever, it seems like it's all over the media and everybody feels reassured that there's a large, threatening, anti-Christian movement somewhere "out there". Insane.

I reckon 99.9% of all people in the West, whether Christian, atheist or otherwise simply enjoy the Christmas holidays and think nothing more of it. But it's enough to have the occasional retard to challenge it to create a huge paranoid "countermovement" which apparently most of a.net belongs to.

Holiday tree my ass.... How many people do you personally know that advocate changing "christmas tree" into "holiday tree"? None? Me neither. But it was reported on FOX news, wasn't it, so it must be real.



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User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I thought I might get through an entire holiday season without reading editorials about how people are trying to destroy Christmas.

Glad I'm not the only one to notice that! SAME OLD THING YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!! It's like people have nothing left to complain about.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous how pissed off people get about it. "I'm so offended that I have to say happy holidays, blah blah wah wah..." Has anyone ever told you you can't say Merry Christmas? The prevelence of the Happy Holidays alternative comes from companies & government organizations, whose customers and constituents celebrate many holidays this time of year. When they use it, all they're saying is 'best wishes from us to you' anyway! Why is that offensive?

BESIDES...these people are complaining because it's an assault on Christmas. And yet, they accept with open arms the fact that rampant commercialism has turned Christ's birthday into some kind of demented bastardized orgy of Capitalism anyway! Have you seen commercials and ads these days? Computers, cars & diamond jewelry for Christmas gifts???
This year, give the gift of suffocating debt!

Maybe they'd be happy if every instance of Happy Holidays was replaced by Krusty the Klown's multi-denominational wish for his fans - I wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Kwazy Kwanza, tip top Tet, and a solumn, dignified Ramadan.

[Edited 2007-12-20 16:51:53]

User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:



Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 7):

BESIDES...these people are complaining because it's an assault on Christmas. And yet, they accept with open arms the fact that rampant commercialism has turned Christ's birthday into some kind of demented bastardized orgy of Capitalism anyway! Have you seen commercials and ads these days? Computers, cars & diamond jewelry for Christmas gifts???

Good point. It's like gay marriage being an assault on marriage, when the real problems come from poor spousal choice, spiralling divorce problems and no respect for the institution between heterosexual partners.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:



Quoting Rara (Reply 6):
Especially in this board, these days you have 20 comments a day saying something like "I call it Christmas, whatever the PC brigade thinks of it", "where has this world come to when you can't even celebrate Christmas" etc. etc. Now I've seen literally hundreds of these paranoid remarks and not a single voice of reason stating that Christmas is somehow politically incorrect etc.

That's because you are a university student and not in the corporate world where people get their panties in a wad over whether to use green and red and the words Christmas.

In fact, there are a number of cities and towns that actually forbid public displays of anything "Christmas."

So yes, it does happen. And I know because I've been on the receiving end of such mandates.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2677 times:



Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I thought I might get through an entire holiday season without reading editorials about how people are trying to destroy Christmas.

Is Christmas in danger of being "destroyed?" Of course not. That is simply an overreaction.

Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 7):
Has anyone ever told you you can't say Merry Christmas?

Yes and no. At work, we've been told we can't have Christmas parties - we can only have holiday parties. But it doesn't stop me from wishing people a merry christmas.

Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 7):
The prevelence of the Happy Holidays alternative comes from companies & government organizations, whose customers and constituents celebrate many holidays this time of year. When they use it, all they're saying is 'best wishes from us to you' anyway! Why is that offensive?

Because I should be able to celebrate any holiday I wish to observe without having to make it a generic event. I don't get offended if someone delivers a greeting to me that is based in a religious or cultural practice I don't follow, and likewise, if I want to say Merry Christmas to someone, they shouldn't be offended.

Too many people are simply too da*n sensitive these days.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2651 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
My employer has actually instructed us to wish our customers a Merry Christmas and nothing else.

And that's just as silly as forbidding it. I wish people would stop getting so damn uptight about what terminology should be used.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

It's kinda sad that I was watching the NBC Nightly News and they spent about 5 mins on this "war on Christmas". Slow news day? Not really, the BBC News had a whole report on the humanitarian situation in Somalia...but wait, we don't want real news, so we waste our time bickering over irrelevant stuff. I'm a Christian and will continue calling it a Christmas tree, but if somebody asks me to say happy holidays instead (particularly an employer during work hours) I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. Why do we waste so much time in this country discussing non-issues? It's disturbing.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

And I'm sorry, forget X-M-A-S. Malcolm X? Yes. X replacing Christ? No.

This is perhaps one of the most annoying arguments by those complaining about the so-called "War on Christmas." Their arguments are based on sheer ignorance it seems. Martin, like so many, propagates this idiocy. "X" has been used as shorthand for Christ for at least 1000 years and can be found pretty frequently in other Christian symbols like the labarum and the ichthys. One of the biggest problems I have is that people tend to know so little about their own faith and it fuels the kind of misguided views about this time of the year.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2613 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
Their arguments are based on sheer ignorance it seems. Martin, like so many, propagates this idiocy. "X" has been used as shorthand for Christ for at least 1000 years and can be found pretty frequently in other Christian symbols like the labarum and the ichthys. One of the biggest problems I have is that people tend to know so little about their own faith and it fuels the kind of misguided views about this time of the year.

I remember seeing "Merry Xmas" on handmade decorations in my school classroom - years before this whole ridiculous argument was put forth.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2608 times:



Quoting HickoryShampoo (Reply 3):
One of the things that pisses me off about this wave of PC is the "Holiday Tree" debacle. W(ho)TF else uses a fir tree decorated with little lights and ornaments?

Um, the pagans are the ones who actually invented the whole tree thing  Wink

Quoting RSWA330 (Reply 4):
When you're forced to say "Happy Holidays" at work, it does irritate me

I don't know anyone who is forced to say that.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
Sure I know In-N-Out is Christian, but at least common sense prevails here.

That isn't common sense, it is them forcing that "common sense" on their work staff and patrons.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
At work, we've been told we can't have Christmas parties - we can only have holiday parties.

And that makes sense, seeing that you work for the government. Still, it shouldn't stop you from having a tree, a menorah AND a Festivus pole  Wink

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
But it doesn't stop me from wishing people a merry christmas.

Not should it

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
My employer has actually instructed us to wish our customers a Merry Christmas and nothing else.

And that's just as silly as forbidding it. I wish people would stop getting so damn uptight about what terminology should be used.

Bingo. I say everything from Merry Christmas to Happy Hollidays (though I despise the way Seasons Greetings sounds). I tell Jewish friends Happy Hannukah. It is no big deal.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):

I remember seeing "Merry Xmas" on handmade decorations in my school classroom -

Must be a crazy L.A. thing, because we did the same thing  Wink



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2598 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
At work, we've been told we can't have Christmas parties - we can only have holiday parties.

And that makes sense, seeing that you work for the government. Still, it shouldn't stop you from having a tree, a menorah AND a Festivus pole

well, we have no tree. Not allowed. When the building management (we are in leased office space) put one up in the lobby a few years ago, they were asked to remove it, but they refused, thankfully.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2598 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
"X" has been used as shorthand for Christ for at least 1000 years and can be found pretty frequently in other Christian symbols like the labarum and the ichthys.

X, the Greek letter Chi, is the first letter in the Greek spelling of Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

From a Jewish perspective...

Schools should not have any tree or decorations from either holiday. A Christhmas tree is not a holiday tree, as my old middle school tried to ensenuate. It doesn't belong in a government facility.

With the whole Merry Christhmas/Happy Chanukah debate it's a matter of courtesy. I have no problem admitting that it makes me feel awkward to be wished a Merry Christhmas. In my mind, wishing someone a Happy holidays is a more courteous and considerate greeting if you don't know what they celebrate. If you are talking to people you know celebrate Christhmas, I see know problem wishing them a Merry Christhmas whether you are with non-christians or not.



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2594 times:



Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
It seems the only people who perpetuate the idea that America is out to erase Christmas are the writers of these columns.

And the ACLU, and those who invented Kwanzaa, and those who are athiest, and those who simply think it's terrible that some people might feel left out because Christmas is a Christian holiday.

And all those people are out to erase Christmas, in many ways. It's called PC, LHMARK, and it's a powerful force.

To them, I say "Merry Christmas".


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Currently I am working the Christmas season as an associate at a branch Macy's in New Jersey. I use usually use the term Happy Holidays as while a majority of the customers I serve are 'Christian', there are also Jews, Muslims, non-Chrisitan south Asians and so on.

User currently offlineCumulonimbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

At work today I actually got pulled to the side because I said the words "Merry christmas" by the Head of Operations.. He told me to say "Happy Holidays instead so I do not offend people. I proceded to tell him "Merry Christmas" and continued on my day.

I am just waiting to see if he wrote me up for saying that to him.


Mike


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2569 times:



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 17):
X, the Greek letter Chi, is the first letter in the Greek spelling of Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

I know that and you know that - but the whacked out imbeciles who take every word their ill-educated pastor says verbatim don't know that - therein exists the problem.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

In France they now minimize Christmas, they take Christmas trees off the schools or else rename them "Trees of Life" (my *rse) not to offend the now large muslim community. You hardly ever hear anyone saying "Joyeux Noel" (Happy Christmas) any longer as if it was by fear...
The politically correct is winning, especially with the three female members of the Government who are muslims, Yade, Dati and Amara.
I guess some day in a near future the name Christmas will even be taken off the official calendars. Give it another generation and it will be gone.  Angry



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2536 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
they now minimize Christmas, they take Christmas trees off the schools or else rename them "Trees of Life" (my *rse) not to offend the now large muslim community

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No Muslims are offended by Christmas trees. But Atheists may be .
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
three female members of the Government who are muslims, Yade, Dati and Amara.

oh, your "fascist" has three Muslima in the government ? Isn't that nice ?  Big grin

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
in a near future the name Christmas will even be taken off the official calendars. Give it another generation and it will be gone. Angry

it will be re-named into "A'id al-Issa"


25 ManuCH : I think it might also be a difference among countries. Rara is from Germany. I am from Switzerland, and the PC Happy Holidays crap hasn't arrived her
26 ME AVN FAN : - "Frohe Festtage" is simply a combination of Christmas AND New Year
27 Post contains images ManuCH : Right. We actually have the same in Italian, "Buone Feste", but it wasn't introduced because of some political correctness - it has just always been
28 Maverick623 : In all fairness, the "Christmas Tree" idea was stolen from the Pagans....
29 Post contains images MadameConcorde : yeah... among whom one of them being very well known for her fake diplomas!! The two others being known for not having much schooling either. I wonder
30 FlyKev : You know what? This entire thread angers me. Why? Because there shouldn't be a "war on christmas". I am atheist. I don;t give a flying **** if you wis
31 Post contains images Aloges : Sometimes I have to wonder where people find fault! The one thing that might one day offend me in the Christmas season is ads for EUR 2.000,- TV sets,
32 Helvknight : Actually how many of these "War on Christmas" stories actually check out and how many are wild exaggerations put about by various folks (particularly
33 Post contains links Aloges : The wikipedia article on that had a link to a Guardian (I know, Grauniad...) article on "The phoney war on Christmas": http://www.guardian.co.uk/chri
34 ME AVN FAN : Whatever, he brought three Muslima into his government, which is a positive step. And he took the Socialist founder of "Medecins sans frontieres" int
35 767Lover : Good post. For me and most people I deal with every day, the "Christmas Season" is not a religious observance per se but a time to celebrate humankin
36 Post contains images HickoryShampoo : I'm fairly confident trees evolved from single-cell organisms. I don't argue on the origin of the tradition, especially since Christians don't worshi
37 Post contains images Skidmarks : It's far too late for that. Christmas has completely lost it's original meaning, except for a few around the world and is instead an excuse for an or
38 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Ho ! ho ! ho ! UTA
39 Mirrodie : You know what? Let the idiocy persist. I don't allow myself to get wrapped up in the BS. If I say "Merry Christmas" , someone will get offended. If I
40 Post contains images EWRCabincrew : Not here. We have a tree and decorate the front yard, wreaths and all. We celebrate the holidays. Christmas and New Years. You don't have to be a Chr
41 AC888YOW : Only the crazies think there is a war on Christmas, or that it is somehow being destroyed. The grinch tried that a long time ago, but he failed misera
42 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : In Zurich it is mentioned in all the shops - for German speakers here an interesting link www.vioz.ch/2006/20061218_Swissinfo_...achtsbaum_bleibt_in_
43 Post contains images N1120A : Well, as long as it has a star (from the pagan tradition) and not an angel on top, I don't have a problem. Why do you add the h? Oh get over it. Ther
44 Post contains links AirTranTUS : Here is a good article from an opinion writer in Tucson today. I like his term for Happy Holidays: "horse effluvium". http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/dai
45 HickoryShampoo : Not really (and I understand your post was in jest). At risk of derailing this thread, I submit that I consider myself Christian. While I don't atten
46 Post contains images Bok269 : In my mind, an evergreen tree with ornaments, lights, and red and green decorations is definately a religious symbol, and as such, has no place in a
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