MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 11136 posts, RR: 35 Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5249 times:
Former US Intelligence official: Israel will attack Iran
Bruce Riedel, a former career CIA official and senior adviser to three US presidents, including Bush, tells Newsweek he came back from trip to Israel in November convinced that Jewish state would attack Iran. 'Israel is not going to allow its nuclear monopoly to be threatened,' he says
Published: 12.21.07, 12:01 / Israel News
NorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5174 times:
I have no doubt that if the Israelis thought for a moment that the Iranians were anywhere close to developing a working nuke, they'd launch the fighters to go wipe those facilities off the map. they did that in Syria not too long ago, they'd do it in Iran and they wouldn't care what the rest of the world thought. I don't want to sound anti-israeli, but i think it's time the arabs start standing up for themselves, start developing modern armies and modern air forces, maybe even unify their existing resources into a pan-arab military force so that when the Israelis get on the high horse of cultural/moral superiority, and decided to wontonly send fighters into another country, that country has the ability to shoot those fighters out of the sky. The reason the israelis get away with being the bullies they are is because they have the superiority card, the best weapons, the best fighters, well, let's even the cards and see if they still act like the neighborhood bully.
I'd rather be one of the worst and Dumbest than the best and brightest....life's so much more stress free that way
JetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5165 times:
Sure the Israeli military has a "tough" image in the region, but lets get honest. Chances are they will not strike first. There is just too much to lose, besides worsening the clusterfuck already going on in the Middle East. Does anyone really want a WWIII? Can the US really afford to back Israel in such an attack? Europe? Very doubtful.
Such a war would absolutely require using nuclear weapons in either the initial attack or defending their borders from the reaction of Iran and other ME nations.
AF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 4): I have no doubt that if the Israelis thought for a moment that the Iranians were anywhere close to developing a working nuke, they'd launch the fighters to go wipe those facilities off the map.
You don't want to mess with Israel! It's like an angry dog in a corner...
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5070 times:
If there is solid intel that Iran has halted their nuclear program, then Israel would be foolish to attack, especially with promising talks ongoing for Palestinian state, which could further isolate Iran from the rest of the region. Isarel doesn't need to attack at this time.
There still may yet come a time when Iran threatens Israel, but now is not the time. Let Iran be for now on that front.
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5020 times:
Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 9): BUT.. it would be the *easiest* way for the Bush Administration to throw the US Military into a new conflict.
But would it be easy/good for our military? We already have troops in Iraq and on the Pakistan/Afgan border. I think sending our troops and equipment to fight Iran would be stretching our military thin.
Lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1627 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 15): Don't forget about Russia. Didn't Putin say Russia would support Iran if they were attacked?
No doubt --
I think the one thing that the world community isn't really looking at is just how close we really are to a world-wide aggression.
I think the cards are on the table, and it's only a matter of time before someone folds.
Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 16): But would it be easy/good for our military? We already have troops in Iraq and on the Pakistan/Afgan border. I think sending our troops and equipment to fight Iran would be stretching our military thin.
Oh, I certainly wasn't implying it would be good -- just the opposite.
Any more wars, and I believe the US will find itself in a serious problem financially, as well as strength wise.
Again, as I said above -- the fact that the China-Russia-North Korea-Iran connections continue to get stronger, and the US continues to over-extend itself (KUDOS to the men and women fighting -- no disrespect meant to them in any way) in questionable places --- we're closer and closer to a world-wide aggressor stepping forward.
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 6170 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4967 times:
Quoting DC10extender (Reply 18): Because it is their only leverage in a war. If an Arab country got their hands on some nuclear weapons, they wouldn't hesitate to use them on Israel. It is their expressed mission to eliminate Israel.
A sweeping assumption. There are many Arab countries, not all of them hostile to Israel. I really don't buy into this theory at all: any country, be it Arab or not, would have to think long and hard before using any nuclear weapon against anybody. They would know that in doing so there would be enormous consequences.
And to answer MadameConcorde's question, I don't believe Israel should be the only country in the Middle East to have nuclear weapons.
Lnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1627 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4963 times:
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21): And to answer MadameConcorde's question, I don't believe Israel should be the only country in the Middle East to have nuclear weapons.
I don't believe any country in the Middle East should have nuclear weapons. HOWEVER.. if Israel is to possess them, I do believe your statement..
There is room for discussion on whether or not Israel has been an aggressor in the past with other countries (I'm not going to get into THAT one, as it opens a pandoras box..), but any country who has in the past shown to be an aggressive nation, should have people nearby who would be able to help protect themselves.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5831 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 4): it's time the arabs start standing up for themselves, start developing modern armies and modern air forces, maybe even unify their existing resources into a pan-arab military force
As if flying passenger jets into skyscrapers and blowing up themselves on a subway wasn't bad enough. BTW, here's your for the most asinine idea of the day.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 28813 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4913 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2): I don't think Israel will attack. I mean, would they really be willing to risk World War III just for the sake of making a statement to the Ayatollahs by attacking Iran?
If Israel attacked Iran then the whole of the Middle East would attack Israel and then USA would have to decide to either let Israel be left to its fate or go in and fight along side them. If this happened then the US soldiers lost in Iraq would seem like a drop in the Ocean. In fact we would probably all be dead if this happened!!! Very dangerous road to go down .
DC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4868 times:
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 4): let's even the cards and see if they still act like the neighborhood bully.
Yeah, why don't we go supply all of the other countries in the Middle East with U.S. weapons. Sure, Israel is the power in the Middle East but they can't afford to be attacked first. It is called preemptive strikes. With these strikes, they can stop a war from happening and still be be alive tomorrow. Israel is seen as the bully but the countries around them are the real aggressors. So if you want a huge World War to start by supplying the Middle East with top notch weapons, that is your opinion.