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Pakistan Nuclear Stockpile At Risk?  
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

If the present disorder in Pakistan escalates and the nuclear stockpile becomes comprimised, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations will have a horrific weapon to use against the U.S. and other countries.

It may be a matter of when not if a nuclear terrorist attack occurs.


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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

I wonder about this too, but in the back of my mind. I would hope that deploying the weapons they have would entail more than just "the push of a button" and if "terrorists" came into posession of the entire weapons package (missile) they would not have the operational knowledge to deploy it in the manner it was intended. It really takes quite a bit of technological prowess to launch most missiles, but they might be able to "borrow" a technician from North Korea or elsewhere.

Now, if they were to come into posession of just the warhead, I often wonder if terrorists would be able to use it in an "IED" fashion, putting it into the back of a pickup and parking it in downtown (insert city name here).


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

As long as those stockpiles are not sticking their heads out of the armoured car in a overcrowded rally, no.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1503 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 1):

I doubt they'll be able to use the weapons , Nuclear weapons have very often a Secret Key , a very long one , and without it , nobody could fire them


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1468 times:



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):

I doubt they'll be able to use the weapons , Nuclear weapons have very often a Secret Key , a very long one , and without it , nobody could fire them

It is a common misconception that all countries use a "dual key" system for arming nuclear weapons (so that one person can't do it alone) - and I don't have any information about what is in place in Pakistan. The dual key system is in place in the United States, but not in the United Kingdom for example.


User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

I am pretty confident that Pakistan has already put measures into place to ensure the security of its nuclear stockpiles.

Furthermore, I know sometimes Pakistan presents itself as a disorganised country but in actual fact (with regards to matters such as nuclear arms) it is quite capable of ensuring the safety and security of its weapons.

Pakistan probably knows that its nuclear weapons are at risk and have probably already put measures in place to protect them i.e. increased the number of guards patrolling nuclear sites.

Moreover, as Queso and some other members have stated, it isn't as easy as pushing the big red button to launch. There are various protocols that must be completed in order to achieve a successful launch.

I hope Pakistan has something along the lines of what America has, that is, they carry the launch codes wherever President GWB is. I think its called The Football?

Kind Regards.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1456 times:



Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 5):
Moreover, as Queso and some other members have stated, it isn't as easy as pushing the big red button to launch. There are various protocols that must be completed in order to achieve a successful launch.

In the United States, maybe. We have extensive safeguards on our nuclear weapons but that is not universally true of others, even those in the west. In fact, the United States offered to provide Pakistan with copies of our own security devices, and Pakistan turned them down. Do you think they have something comparable? I seriously doubt it.

And who says Al Queda or some rogue group wants to launch the weapon immediately? Pakistan does not have the missile technology to deliver a weapon to Europe or North America, and aircraft delivery is their main tactic. Anyone stealing a bomb would probably just walk off with the weapon and try smuggling it to their target. That would give them plenty of time to bypass the simple security mechanisms Pakistan likely has.

This is not the first time that there have been serious questions about the security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, and there is a very real threat of one of these weapons getting out into the open.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13046 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

It's thought that their stockpiles are well dispersed, well guarded.
Some of the issues discussed here, under the Explainer: The Nuclear Arsenal part, the last two paragraphs of that being significant.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2233015,00.html
Still, for all that a cause for concern.

[Edited 2007-12-29 09:52:07]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1409 times:



Quoting Bmacleod (Thread starter):


If the present disorder in Pakistan escalates and the nuclear stockpile becomes comprimised, Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations will have a horrific weapon to use against the U.S. and other countries.

Im sure The US & India have a very close watch on those weapons & will strike if needed.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1402 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Im sure The US & India have a very close watch on those weapons & will strike if needed.

Very good point. Hopefully there is full cooperation in these matters between India and the USA.


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

In "The Sum of All Fears" it showed how easy it was to get a nuclear bomb into the U.S. There wasn't any "key" in the weapon and the cargo ship came into Baltimore and the bomb was hidden in a vending machine.

The driver drove off Port of Baltimore and wasn't checked. Dropped of the vending machine at the football stadium and left.
Tick....Tick....Tick....Tick....   

Suppose a new goverment were set up in Pakistan and offered "gifts" to the U.S. and its allies - Indian artifacts with nukes hidden inside....

CBS "Jericho" would no longer be fiction....

[Edited 2007-12-29 12:42:21]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1369 times:

..the bigger problem has been Russia, where they have 100X more stock of nuclear items....there has always been concern of some "loose elements" such as underpaid or angered scientists, etc. within Russia....so far that hasn't posed a threat either, even with all of the "doomsday" scenarios ("dirty" bombs, etc.) people like to point out..

The military is in control of the nuclear stockpiles in Pakistan....they will in no way let any whackos get a hold of them...in any sort of way.. no 



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1353 times:



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 2):
As long as those stockpiles are not sticking their heads out of the armoured car in a overcrowded rally, no.

= Even for a Benazir hater, I would have hoped you showed more compassion.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
The military is in control of the nuclear stockpiles in Pakistan

= The images of Pakistan being broadcasted around the world are not indications of a country where its military is in control of anything ... but then again, perhaps those images are all lies?

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1318 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
The military is in control of the nuclear stockpiles in Pakistan

= The images of Pakistan being broadcasted around the world are not indications of a country where its military is in control of anything ... but then again, perhaps those images are all lies?

...riots after her getting killed? .it happens in a lot of places..I don't see rioting anywhere now that the military has stepped up..

...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1307 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Even for a Benazir hater, I would have hoped you showed more compassion.

I wasn't even talking about her. It was not very bright of her to do that. My point, Pakistan is not fool enough to leave itself or its arsenal vulnerable and trust me its not. It'll be better if everyone keep their hands off, about Al Qaeda etc, Pakistan can deal with'em should they try. But should any other country make a determined attempt at do anything, they'll be hit very hard and who knows, with others talking about a nuclear first strike (utterly stupid and irresponsible), trust me, Pakistan will really get rid of its arsenal.... by firing it into the aggressor.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1301 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
I don't see rioting anywhere now that the military has stepped up..

= Perhaps you had not visited some of these news sources:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../AR2007122900972.html?hpid=topnews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm (Video - "violence on Pakistan streets)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...12/29/pakistan.politics/index.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/.../asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-Violence.php

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3267892.story?coll=la-home-center

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aWpSJGDLZJYQ&refer=home

http://www2.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=209334

These are all headline news of the respective news websites at 1131am on Saturday (Caracas time).

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 14):
I wasn't even talking about her.

= Of course not. I am sorry. I wonder what your statement below led me to believe that.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 2):
As long as those stockpiles are not sticking their heads out of the armoured car in a overcrowded rally, no.

-A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
= Of course not. I am sorry. I wonder what your statement below led me to believe that.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 2):
As long as those stockpiles are not sticking their heads out of the armoured car in a overcrowded rally, no.

-A.

Let me just say; I am more concerned about the stupid idea of nuclear option, that's why I point that out, as opposed to you concerned about the aura of one person no longer alive. You chose to point the latter without commenting on the context I gave. Let me reiterate again, any attempt to rob Pakistan from the outside will have very terrible consequences and many people are not only not worried about that, but actively voicing their support.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
..the bigger problem has been Russia, where they have 100X more stock of nuclear items....there has always been concern of some "loose elements" such as underpaid or angered scientists, etc. within Russia....so far that hasn't posed a threat either, even with all of the "doomsday" scenarios ("dirty" bombs, etc.) people like to point out..

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[Edited 2007-12-29 20:25:29]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1271 times:



Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 9):
Very good point. Hopefully there is full cooperation in these matters between India and the USA.

The US has Assured India that.....But I think India will rather trust its own observations too & act accordingly.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
The military is in control of the nuclear stockpiles in Pakistan....they will in no way let any whackos get a hold of them...in any sort of way

True.
but there is a risk present depending on the political situation.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
I don't see rioting anywhere now that the military has stepped up..

Not whats happening currently.Guess you are not in touch.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
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