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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Hi folks


I am sure more than one person here travels with two passports. This is my case. I have both Costa Rican and Swiss nationality. When travelling GVA-CDG-ATL-SJO I used my Swiss passport all the way except when I entered Costa Rica, which I did with the Costa Rican passport. This is the first time I trevelled to the US using both passports.
I entered Costa Rica with the CR passport and so I will exit with the CR passport because my Swiss passport has no entry visa stamp in the passport.

However in ATL I will show my Swiss passport since I don't need a visa for the US with it. Is there any risk that US authorities ask for the Costa Rican exit stamp and thus find out I am travelling also with Costa Rican passport and require a Visa?
Would you recommend me to exit with the Swiss passport even if it has no entry stamp inside it?
If you have a nationality that doesn't requie visa like the Swiss, can they still ask you a Visa because you have a nationaliy that requires Visa?

that would be nice if you could answer me those doubts

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

I'd enter the US with whatever passport is used when checking in at SJO.

Airlines now scan, or input your details for transmittal to US authorities before the plane ever arrives in the US. Having info transmitted about you with one passport, and arriving with another could be the cause some issues.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

You shouldn't have any problems at all as entering as a Swiss citizen does not require a pre-approved visa (it will be provided on entry into the US)
I certainly wouldn't exit Costa Rica using your Swiss passport as that could flag up all sorts of unnecessary difficulties.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2500 times:



Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
If you have a nationality that doesn't requie visa like the Swiss, can they still ask you a Visa because you have a nationaliy that requires Visa?

In short, NO.
You are a full Swiss national and as such you benefit from all 'advantages' of having this nationality, including falling under the Visa waiver program of the USA when going there.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Airlines now scan, or input your details for transmittal to US authorities before the plane ever arrives in the US. Having info transmitted about you with one passport, and arriving with another could be the cause some issues.

Correct, but that's the problem of the immigration services. Besides, the info contained on both passports should be the same, so they can still do their check up, based on info of the exit passport they've received from the airline and it should match the info they should have found if they would have had your entry passport data.

It really is up to the US immigration service to connect the dots here, because as a holder of 2 passports you are not doing anything illegal when using your passport to exit your own country, and enter the US with the other because it gives you more privileges: they are both valid and real.

Besides, I am sure you know this, but when you hold 2 passports and you want to enter/leave a country you hold the passport of as well, you are required to present THAT passport. In this case RootsAir would be in breach of the rules on nationality if he'd pretend to be Swiss when entering or leaving CR when also holding a passport of CR!

Same in Switzerland: they see him as a FULL and ONLY as a Swiss national, and won't recognize him as a foreigner should he want to.

To all other countries, the choice is up to him and yes, he may even change during the flight.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2455 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Same in Switzerland: they see him as a FULL and ONLY as a Swiss national, and won't recognize him as a foreigner should he want to.

This is true! Had not thought about that but I had heard one time that if you have CR nationality your are obliged to enter with CR passport if ever you posess a valid one!



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2455 times:
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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Besides, I am sure you know this, but when you hold 2 passports and you want to enter/leave a country you hold the passport of as well, you are required to present THAT passport.

That applies for a lot of countries , certainly the US and Australia amongst them , but not necessarily all countries , a dual NZ / UK passport holder is entitled to enter NZ on their UK passport provided it has a permanent residency stamp ( my sister does it all the time ) , however the authorities do prefer that you enter NZ on the NZ one , and they do like you to enter and leave on the same passport though for convenience sake I often enter on the NZ one and exit on the British one ( since I live in Belgium the airlines always want the British one rather than the NZ one so they can be sure that they wont be fined for carrying someone on the wrong documentation and the NZ one does not give me the right to live here ) for which I regularly get 'told off' but usually when I explain the reason they just shrug and say "you are not really supposed to do that "

[Edited 2007-12-29 11:40:47]


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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Well, dual passport holders from UK and any other British Commonwealth nation are not really good examples, neither are persons who hold 2 EU passports as these countries do grant far greater immigration privileges to each others citizens anyway.

A CR and Swiss passport however are 'likely' a good set of passports to demonstrate the general principle.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2428 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):

Correct, but that's the problem of the immigration services.

Just because it's "their" problem does not necessarily mean it will not become Roots problem.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2400 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
It really is up to the US immigration service to connect the dots here

And I guarantee you they will.

If the presented passport is different passport then was scanned in CR, they will definately notice it as his details will not match the pre manifest when his passport is rescanned in customs in ATL.

At the end of the day, its really no big deal, yes he'll be let in off course, but likely be subject to a few more questions if not sent off to secondary inspection.

I know of two people that similar things have occurred to. One with dual citizenship where the airlines transmitted passport details did not match the passport used for US entry, while another one a US green card resident happens to have a letter in his foreign name that is non existent in English. Upon arrival it was noted his passport did not match his green card 100%. To solve this he either had to change his name(that one character) in his passport to match his green card, or change the green card to match his passport. Apparently there is a universally recognized method for displaying that one character being a double A "aa". At the end of the day being a long time US resident it was easier for him to change his foreign passport then all of his entire US documentation to match that "aa" spelling.

Bottom line is, now with electronic data transfers its much harder to shuffle various documents, or passport around as one travels the globe.



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2373 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 7):
Just because it's "their" problem does not necessarily mean it will not become Roots problem.

The only problem that may arise is some US immigration officer being not familiar with the situation, but that would surprise me, since it happens all of the time really. Many people hold 2 passports and make use of the best one depending to the country they visit as Kiwiandrew just showed us.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
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I would actually recommend that you double check with the authorities of all three countries concerned , as a former travel agent I know too well the problems caused by accepting advice from well meaning people based on their experiences which may be quite different to your own - there were a large number of cases where I had customers tell me "My friend said that you are talking rubbish and you dont need a visa/six months validity/ etc , they did it three years ago and had no problems "

rules and restrictions change all the time and no offence to anyone on this forum as I dont believe anyone would intentionally misinform you but this is not the place to get that sort of information .

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
I entered Costa Rica with the CR passport and so I will exit with the CR passport because my Swiss passport has no entry visa stamp in the passport.

assuming that you are connecting right through on your way home ( you didn't actually specify ) then the airline carrying you out of SJO will probably want to see some proof that you are entitled to enter Switzerland without an onward ticket - if your CR passport does not have any entries indicating that you have permanent residence in Switzerland then it is likely you will need to present your Swiss passport just to be accepted for checkin .... but , as I said earlier , please dont take my word for it - check with either the authorities concerned or a reputable consular advice service ( which will not be free ) there is one in New Zealand called Travcour which guarantees the accuracy of their advice , I assume similar agencies will exist in other countries



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4748 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2326 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
I would actually recommend that you double check with the authorities of all three countries concerned

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There's another thing... airport agents in Costa Rica will check if you have all the necessary documentation to travel to your final destination, and will not board you if you don't fulfill all the requirements. You will have to show proof that you are allowed to enter the U.S., which in this case would be your Swiss passport (I am assuming you don't have a visa stamped on your Costa Rican passport). You should better check first...



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
however the authorities do prefer that you enter NZ on the NZ one

And NZ may yet make is mandatory to use the national passport, as the US and Australia have done.

I have two passports, Australian and UK, and my Australian passport gives me all rights of residency in NZ - I don't need any sort of residency stamp in that passport, but my residency is recorded in the Immigration computers.

If I go to Australia, I enter and leave on my Australian passport. Doing anything else would create considerable hassles.

As for entering NZ on one passport and leaving on another, you may not had had a problem so far, but I think you're still rolling the dice.

Why play games with immigration?

mariner



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Bottom line is, now with electronic data transfers its much harder to shuffle various documents, or passport around as one travels the globe.

You make it sound as if it would be something suspicious even clandestine to do?

As pointed out, it is perfectly legal to 'change nationality' during the trip and in some cases one is even obliged to do it: What with US citizens who have a dual citizenship and travel to the country of which they also hold the nationality of?

Upon them leaving that country back to the US, they are normally required to present that country's passport, but I can hardly imagine they will stand in line upon arrival in the US to have their foreign passport stamped off? They just go the way all US citizens go (it is even obliged as US national) and the imigration officer may wait forever for that Mr. Joe Average from the Republic of X to show up at his desk...

In short: the international laws fully allow for it so the US immigration rules should fully cater for it and in a customer friendly, efficient and polite way.

[Edited 2007-12-29 12:17:15]

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 11):
There's another thing... airport agents in Costa Rica will check if you have all the necessary documentation to travel to your final destination, and will not board you if you don't fulfill all the requirements. You will have to show proof that you are allowed to enter the U.S., which in this case would be your Swiss passport (I am assuming you don't have a visa stamped on your Costa Rican passport). You should better check first...

good point ! iThus for checkinh in I will have to show my Swiss passport! I guess this is the last time I will travel with both passports to prevent all the hassle and stick to my Swiss one!
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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2274 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
would actually recommend that you double check

Always a MUST!

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
Assuming that you are connecting right through on your way home ( you didn't actually specify ) then the airline carrying you out of SJO will probably want to see some proof that you are entitled to enter Switzerland without an onward ticket - if your CR passport does not have any entries indicating that you have permanent residence in Switzerland then it is likely you will need to present your Swiss passport just to be accepted for checkin ....

Which is the best thing to do really;

Check-in: use your Swiss passport, as this is the data transferred to the US immigration office.

Boarder control in CR: use your passport of CR as obliged.

Boarder control in the US: use your Swiss passport as it will give you entry without a visa and match the data from the airline, it keeps the US immigration office ignorant, but happy  Wink

Boarder control in ZRH: use your Swiss passport as obliged.

Easy and fun to do.... Big grin


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2226 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 13):
You make it sound as if it would be something suspicious even clandestine to do?

One of the benefits of electronic data transfer and the new US lead global digital passport format requirements is that it certainly does helps reduce clandestine activity -- wether terrorism, smuggling, forged documents, or people swapping documents amongst each other. Additionally, with data transfer authorities can now build a travel history on individuals which can have its own uses.

Swapping documents back and forth on a journey simply can be cause of a red flag.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 13):
As pointed out, it is perfectly legal to 'change nationality' during the trip and in some cases one is even obliged to do it

Yes it is. However if you plan on entering the US, strongly suggest your checked in passport matches the one you present to immigration authorities otherwise you'll have a few more questions to answer.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 13):
What with US citizens who have a dual citizenship and travel to the country of which they also hold the nationality of?

Upon them leaving that country back to the US, they are normally required to present that country's passport, but I can hardly imagine they will stand in line upon arrival in the US to have their foreign passport stamped off?

A US citizen is required to always travel under his/her US passport when entering or exiting the US. Same goes with Green Card holders whom must present their Green Cards regardless if they have the ability to enter the US under other immigration provisions such as the Visa-Waiver.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 13):
so the US immigration rules should fully cater for it

Dont think the US cares less if 90 other countries happen to want to do something and it does not. At the end of the day it will do what it things is best for it.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2222 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 15):
Which is the best thing to do really;

Check-in: use your Swiss passport, as this is the data transferred to the US immigration office.

Boarder control in CR: use your passport of CR as obliged.

Boarder control in the US: use your Swiss passport as it will give you entry without a visa and match the data from the airline, it keeps the US immigration office ignorant, but happy

thanks, I'll follow your advice

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 15):
Boarder control in ZRH: use your Swiss passport as obliged.

I'll fly into GVA  Wink but thanks still



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2202 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 13):
What with US citizens who have a dual citizenship and travel to the country of which they also hold the nationality of?

Dual citizenship is generally not legal in the US. I know it isn't uncommon, but legally you can lose your US citizenship if you have pledged allegiance to another country. Holding two passports is not something a US citizen really wants to talk about with the authorities.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2147 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 18):
Dual citizenship is generally not legal in the US. I know it isn't uncommon, but legally you can lose your US citizenship if you have pledged allegiance to another country. Holding two passports is not something a US citizen really wants to talk about with the authorities.

I heard many people who have lived away from the US for many years (eg a guy from the US living in Switzerland) gets Swiss nationality in order to lose the US one as not to have to pay taxes to the USA anymore

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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
A US citizen is required to always travel under his/her US passport when entering or exiting the US

Problem is, if you hold a passport of another country, you often have to enter that country under its passport too according to the rules... Now what? You show the passport of that country at ITS immigration services and the other one at the immigration services of the other, everywhere else you just choose.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 18):
Dual citizenship is generally not legal in the US. I know it isn't uncommon, but legally you can lose your US citizenship if you have pledged allegiance to another country.



Some people are born with 2 nationalities and do not choose for it, so there isn't any naturalisation taking place.

Everybody born in the UK is automatically also a UK citizen. even if he or she is the child from 2 foreigners. My grandma is British and Belgian through this way, despite it not being allowed to be naturalized AND keep your Belgian nationality under our law. Same for every US citizen born in the UK: he or she is always a legal Brit, even if he/she doesn't apply for the passport and what's more, he/she can't even renounce on it! Wonder how many millions of US citizens are at risk of loosing their citizenship?  Smile

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 18):
Holding two passports is not something a US citizen really wants to talk about with the authorities.

Don't talk about it, pretend it doesn't exist. But it does and by the millions.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
I regularly get 'told off' but usually when I explain the reason they just shrug and say "you are not really supposed to do that".

ROTLF.

That's what you get if you absolutely want to make everybody fit into well-defined boxes all the time; whenever some of them happen to fit into 2 boxes at the same time our systems can't handle it, so better to ignore it then.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 20):
whenever some of them happen to fit into 2 boxes at the same time our systems can't handle it, so better to ignore it then.

Within my experience, they handle it fine. I make no secret of the fact that I have two passports and it isn't a problem. As long as I have the correct paperwork for the country I am trying to enter, they shrug.

But - if you try to play games, Immigration can lose any sense of humor.

Entering on one passport and leaving on another is, of course, possible, people do it all the time. But it is also possible - and likely - for Immigration to get bloody-minded about it, depending on your attitude.

They can question you about your paperwork and take a remarkably long time doing it. You miss your flight out? Not their problem, they're not going anywhere.

They can call in Customs or Security to check your luggage and take a remarkably long time doing it. You miss your flight out? Not their problem, they're not going anywhere.

Missing your flight out is not the worst thing in the world, but it can be (a) inconvenient and (b) expensive. Neither of those are Immigration's problem.

mariner



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2036 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 20):
Some people are born with 2 nationalities and do not choose for it, so there isn't any naturalisation taking place

Which is allowed. Summary of the US law;
The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may maintain the citizenship of the country of birth, but required to owe allegiance to the United States (Upon taking the oath of citizenship, one renounces any allegiance or fidelity to any foreign state.)


Its not allowed however for a US citizen to go out and seek additional citizenship without risking their US citizenship;
Person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice. Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 19):
gets Swiss nationality in order to lose the US one as not to have to pay taxes to the USA anymore

Yes suppose some do, as a US citizen one is subject to taxation on global income, however with most countries having dual-taxation treaties I'm not sure how much of a problem this really is especially since US tax rates are some of the lowest in the industrial world.

Also if they ever re-emigrate back to the US they potentially face a whole host of new problems in the future.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

I have many passports  Smile. This has never been a problem. During check-in at CCS, I usually give the passport I am entering U.S. with ... then at immigration, give them my VZ passport. In the U.S., I give them my Liechtenstein and/or other VW country passport. Never had any issue. Of course, as some have mentioned, do verify.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1955 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 23):
., I give them my Liechtenstein and/or

wow did you ever live in FL or is one of your parents from there ????



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25 LH423 : The APIS data is sent but not used for comparative purposes. Basically, they look for potential arrivals that they wish to flag for additional screen
26 TransIsland : I do this all the time... all you need to do is show the airline at check-in your Swiss passport (for they are the ones forwarding the info to the US
27 N1120A : No, because they would then be in violation of the treaties regarding immigration and visas with Switzerland. It wont become a problem Yes, it is gen
28 Foppishbum : Side notes: I will hold both Taiwanese passport and also US passport soon (when they finally set an interview date for me! ARGH!). The rule says if y
29 RFields5421 : There is a rather long thread on this about two pages down on the Civil Aviation forum - but basically the dual-national arrived at the airport with
30 Netdhaka : If you show your CR passport to the immigration officer in CR, they might want to see if you have the right to return to Switzerland and passthrough U
31 Andz : I have South African and British passports and every time I check in internationally for a country that requires a visa for South Africans they ask to
32 AA7295 : Australians are not required to enter or leave Australia using an Australian passport. They can use any passport as long as they can prove they are an
33 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : interesting because I can recall when I was working in the travel industry in New Zealand an Australian in NZ on an NZ passport whose Aussie one had
34 AlexEU : How many passports are we legaly allowed to have? I travel with 2 passports.
35 TUSaadvantage : I travel with three passports (American, British, Australian) and I use which ever one allows me to stand in the shortest line. I've never had a probl
36 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = I was born to a Spanish-Venezuelan dad and British-Canadian mom in FL ... ... spent a lot of my formative years there. = Depends entirely on the co
37 N1120A : As an American, as many as you get without renouncing your citizenship It is.
38 MD11Engineer : Some countries would, if a person (especially a woman) would marry one of this countries citizens, automatically give the foreign spouse their citize
39 ME AVN FAN : - A) they are NOT interested in Costa Rican exit stamps B) they have to accept your Swiss passport with all its rights - THIS however is an error. He
40 AlexEU : You have to pay taxes in the country you live in, no matter how many citizenships you have. If you are registered in Geneva, you have to pay Swiss tax
41 MD11Engineer : Only if there exists a double tax agreement. Some countries require you to pay tax, no matter where you live, so you can end up paying tax twice (the
42 ME AVN FAN : Quoting AlexEU (Reply 40): You have to pay taxes in the country you live in, no matter how many citizenships you have. If you are registered in Geneva
43 N1120A : Most countries, with the US being a notable exception, have this rule for men or women. That is how it works pretty much everywhere except the US.
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