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Has Global Warming Stopped?  
User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Not my title... It's an article in New Statesman... Interestingly, there has been no global temperature increase since 2001, at least that's what the article claims...

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004


The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

I heard this on the radio a few days ago. Pretty liberal source, but even at that don't expect those who believe in global warming as a religion to acknowledge it though.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

It must have caus Im freezing LOL....

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2955 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
Has Global Warming Stopped?

Dunnno . . . but 'til now the threads had . . .  silly  wink 

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
It must have caus Im freezing LOL....

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-35F here today . . . . nothing Globally Warm about it. . .

. . . . .

"The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. "

Sounds more like an op-ed piece than anything scientific . . . I'm sure each and every letter of the article will be refuted when our friends on the other side of the pond come-to from their New Year festivities . . .


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2949 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
-35F here today . . . . nothing Globally Warm about it. . .

Hehe you should come down here. Its a cool 43C (110 F)  Silly



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2943 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Dunnno . . . but 'til now the threads had

Perhaps we need a "Ultimate Global Warming Thread".  Big grin


User currently offlinePAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

it cant stop if it never started. with that said it has been on the warmer said here with highs in the 40F we should be in the low to mid 30sF

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

"Has Global Warming Stopped?"

To ask that legitimately, it had to start in the first place.  duck   tongue 

Alluding to what ANCflyer said, this might be a great time to watch Klaus post drunk, if he ever gets that way.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2922 times:



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 7):
this might be a great time to watch Klaus post drunk

Dang, I thought he was always drunk when he posted  duck  wink 

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 4):
Hehe you should come down here. Its a cool 43C (110 F)

Thanks, ummm, no. I'm good . . .

You can always wear more clothes, but you can neeever take enough off.

Yeah, yeah, pretty bad visual I know.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Dunnno . . . but 'til now the threads had . . .

Sorry, I couldn't resist when I ran across that...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Sounds more like an op-ed piece than anything scientific . . .

Actually I found that article from an opinion piece in the Ottawa Sun...

http://www.ottawasun.com/Comment/Editorial/2007/12/30/4746327.html

This editorial describes the author of the piece as "BBC science correspondent from 1988-1998, science editor BBC News Online (1998-2006), the 2004 European Internet Journalist of the Year, author of The Sun: A Biography, and holder of a doctorate in astrophysics"

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
-35F here today . . . . nothing Globally Warm about it. . .

I'm in Florida and the temp is supposed to drop into the teens tomorrow night... Yesterday I read that Ottawa set a record for the most snow ever in the month of December... But these cold events are probably a natural result of global warming...  Cool



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

So...when can we expect Al to return the Nobel and Oscar?  Wink


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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2809 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 10):
So...when can we expect Al to return the Nobel and Oscar?

When hell (or the earth) freezes over.


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
Has Global Warming Stopped?

OK who of you dumbasses turned of the heater?
Turn it back on I say, I just don't care for freezing my butt of while watching the fireworks.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Oh Lord, the attention spans of a gnat.

Only 2006 data available as yet.

For Canberra for example Max and Min in 2006 ranging from -0.5C to +3 from long term averages.

"There were 64 days on which the temperature reached 30.0oC or more during 2006. This was more than double the long-term average of 30 days."
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....263B6CA2573A1007B3288?opendocument
If you want to know the outcomes, you will have to wait. If you want early indications, check the amount of Arctic ice still there in late August 2008.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2717 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
I'm sure each and every letter of the article will be refuted when our friends on the other side of the pond come-to from their New Year festivities .

See, I told ya . . . .

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
Oh Lord, the attention spans of a gnat.

I have a far greater attention span than any gnat every thought to have . . . . if it's worthy of my attention.  biggrin 

Unlike Uncle Al, I'm not convinced . . . . guess no Nobel for me, eh . . . .


User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

We are getting set to have some of the coldest days in 5 to 10 years here in Central Florida the next few nights. Down to 20 degrees in Ocala. Good thing I am buying my wife new SUV. Need some more CO2 to heat it back up

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2667 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
Pretty liberal source, but even at that don't expect those who believe in global warming as a religion to acknowledge it though.

They will, and they will say the same old thing. Global warming does not necessarily mean "warm". It could mean an exceptional cold, an exceptional dry, an exceptionally strong tropical storm, an exceptionally large mesoscale storm, or an exceptional wet. It is whatever they want it to be that is slightly out of the supposed static "ordinary".

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
If you want early indications, check the amount of Arctic ice still there in late August 2008.

So one year will make or break?

BTW, in the article you cite, I guess you missed:

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@....263B6CA2573A1007B3288?opendocument

There were 117 frosts recorded in Canberra during 2006. This was 22 more than the BOM yearly average. Fifty four of these frosts were recorded outside of the winter months. The first frost for 2006 occurred on 12 April with the last of the year occurring on 17 November.

And what do you need for a frost to occur?

You also missed that there were more sunny days than average for the year, plus less wind. Both would add to daytime heating and/or night time cooling. In addition the page does not state for how long they've been keeping records, but even if its 100 years, over a span of thousands of years, how out of the "ordinary" is it really?


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

I don't think you can say that warming has "stopped" in 6 years anymore than you can say that a particularly warm summer is due to the warming.

Warming is observed over longer time periods than a few years, in a few years the temperature can fluctuate.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
Oh Lord, the attention spans of a gnat.

Better than the attention span of a sheep, following Al the Shepherd...



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2639 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 16):
They will, and they will say the same old thing. Global warming does not necessarily mean "warm". It could mean an exceptional cold, an exceptional dry, an exceptionally strong tropical storm, an exceptionally large mesoscale storm, or an exceptional wet. It is whatever they want it to be that is slightly out of the supposed static "ordinary".

Bingo. They have the coverall excuses

Quoting Joni (Reply 17):
I don't think you can say that warming has "stopped" in 6 years anymore than you can say that a particularly warm summer is due to the warming.

So you are sying we should ignore the fact that warming has stopped the last six years? So I guess we should of ignored the warming of the prior six years. which would leave us without much warming since they prdicted the Ice Age in the late 70's


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2618 times:



Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 19):

So you are sying we should ignore the fact that warming has stopped the last six years? So I guess we should of ignored the warming of the prior six years. which would leave us without much warming since they prdicted the Ice Age in the late 70's

Erm, first of all there is no "fact" that the warming process would have stopped during the last six years. And secondly, of course we don't remove data from the timeline, we take it all into account when we assess the long-term warming trend.

The year-to-year variability in measured temperatures isn't insignificant when compared to the scale of the warming, so it's not unexpected that there could be several consecutive years when measured temperatures are substantially identical - in fact there could even be several consecutive years of declining temperatures. The increasing CO2 (and other GHG) concentration is a factor that pushes temperature upward, but it's not the only factor affecting the temperature. It can well be that for a few years e.g. natural variability can counteract the increased greenhouse effect if the natural variability during that period happens to have a cooling effect, but this is a temporary blip in a curve that's overall trending upward.

If you look at this graph you can see that year-to-year variability is high, but the trend is clear.

Big version: Width: 399 Height: 278 File size: 41kb


(from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph...-2007-second-warmest_b_76428.html)

In fact the case does happen to be that natural forces are now in a mode that would produce below-average temperatures, yet 2007 is among the warmest years ever measured.

"Through the first 11 months, 2007 is the second warmest year in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean has entered the cool phase of its natural El Nino -- La Nina cycle." http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20071210_GISTEMP.pdf

So this attempt to re-open this "debate" has yet again failed, to no-one's surprise.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2600 times:



Quoting Joni (Reply 20):
So this attempt to re-open this "debate" has yet again failed, to no-one's surprise.

Being a joke of an issue, there was no serious debate in the first place, so you're right, but obviously in the wrong direction.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 20):
So this attempt to re-open this "debate" has yet again failed, to no-one's surprise.
Yes, no heretics are allowed. MaidensGator, you'll get the rack for this!

[Edited 2008-01-01 15:10:14]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11705 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2547 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Thread starter):
Has Global Warming Stopped?

Well, it hasn't stopped for the past 10,000 years, so I don't see why it should stop now - even though it should be...

Quoting Joni (Reply 20):

If you look at this graph you can see that year-to-year variability is high, but the trend is clear.

Unfortunately though it isn't, you cannot conclude anything on a graph taken from that time period, as the point where it starts from is still considered to be at the end of the Maunder Minimum (little ice age) and associated drops in sun spot activity - although the 'worst' was certainly though the 16th century.


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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2515 times:



Quoting Joni (Reply 20):
If you look at this graph you can see that year-to-year variability is high, but the trend is clear.

Big version: Width: 399 Height: 278 File size: 41kb


(from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph...html)

You see, that graph just shows what a piss-poor arguement the Gore flock have in trying to lay this on humans. They point to the trend. Ok, look at the trends. The temp raised significantly between 1910 and 1945. Then it leveled off and even dropped until 1980. If global warming is being caused by man, what happened during those 35 years? We had booming economies, vast expansion and population booms in at least two continents. Exactly what happened to the trend during that period?


25 Baroque : Thank you I missed none of those. And thank you for demonstrating that climate is complex and even average temperatures are an oversimplification. A
26 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : Had snow on the ground for a solid month now. That's a first. Realistically, this comes out just after I stopped being to optimistic on the exact iss
27 Joni : I don't think anyone is concluding anything here based on one graph. This behaviour is well understood as a result of both human-caused and natural f
28 Post contains links Wingnut767 : To bolster our claim that "There Has Been Little Net Global Warming Over the Past 70 Years," each week we highlight the temperature record of one of t
29 Baroque : The graph looks as if one additional year like ?1999 would go close to making it zero or +0.68F. Has anyone got Unfig to run a correlation coefficien
30 Wingnut767 : I am sorry RJdxer. I forgot to add the obligatory "deniers" do not undrestand what global warming means. You do not understand the "science". Only th
31 RJdxer : But that is exactly what the global warming religion would have us do. They trot out statements like "2007 second warmest year" which shows data for
32 CupraIbiza : I dont think the real issue is if the warming has stopped or not. The most pressing issue is if it is man made. This part of the debate has been gloss
33 Dougloid : If you asked me this morning here in central Iowa I'd say not only yes, but hell yes.
34 Ag92 : This year MAY not have been so hot, however if you were to plot it on to a graph, the temperature may fall slightly but overall will be rising. As usu
35 Baroque : It is fair enough to complain about the time scale of some of the data, but if you look at the better treatments, they DO include data back now to ov
36 Post contains images RJdxer : 2 degrees F with a wind chill of -10? That's what you get for being in IA in January! BTW I'm quite sure your mother taught you better. Well don't fr
37 Post contains images Joni : "Our claim"? Anyway, what they do appear to highlight every week is that they think it's possible to measure global warming with one weather station.
38 MaverickM11 : Did anyone else catch that NYT itty bitty blurb buried in the weather section saying that the Arctic ice caps have never been thicker? It was around C
39 Post contains links Joni : Do you mean this one? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...9904E5D7113CF934A25755C0A9649C8B63 The article explains why this particular glacier is a
40 Post contains links AverageUser : Must be you looked in the wrong places, and the word was actually "thinner". http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/science/earth/02arct.html http://www.n
41 Queso : These global warming debates are always sooooo funny! Al Gore is one of many shepherds leading the sheep to a man-made global warming created mirage i
42 MaverickM11 : Nope, it was in the actual weather section around Christmas in the print edition. No it would not have caught my attention had it been the same ol' s
43 Dougloid : Suh, you do the sheep a disservice in impugning theyuh honuh. I think you have them confused with lemmings.
44 Post contains links AverageUser : Well for one, even if there was a minor something in the NYT weather section in mid-December to be found somewhere, the maximum extent of ice on Nort
45 RJdxer : Agreed. But given the extremes of this worlds past, even "unusual" is stretching things. This is where I have the greatest problem with eco's. They a
46 Post contains links Wingnut767 : Remember it is one a week times how many weeks in a year times years that show no global warming in the states. The UHI effect from the major metro a
47 AverageUser : I would hardly consider any advanced global warming exactly a bed of roses in the economic sense. Very few people indeed will then be on the black. E
48 MaverickM11 : I think it was that the ice cap in December was the largest in six or seven years or something similar.
49 CupraIbiza : Sounds good to me. lets make the debate about future oil reserves, and not global warming. Lets talk about alternatives for this reason. Then the glo
50 RJdxer : ? Again, aside from some warmer than usual summers of late, no one has been able to "prove" anything. Glaciers have come and gone in the past, the Ar
51 Post contains links AverageUser : I think the best they could have said is that the North American continental development of the ice cap looked somewhat more like what it should be i
52 Dougloid : Hmmmmm...whatchoo gonna do about China? Whatchoo gonna do about Injuh? Got any answers? The answer is nooooooooo, because in those countries they don
53 AverageUser : We'll have to wait until more people from those countries start posting here, and proceed from thence as usual.
54 Baroque : Therein seems to lie the real Chicken Little argument - not in the GW argument itself. What has been done so far suggests that diversification of ene
55 Joni : By using words like "scare", you're letting on that you still haven't managed to fundamentally grasp the concept. Again, no. If there were to emerge
56 Post contains links and images RJdxer : Nor did it matter to the earth, it heated up and froze all on it's own. It didn't need us to do a thing. Not denial but realism. The earth has heated
57 Baroque : So what do you owe the Scots for inventing the steam engine? All they can eat haggis bars in perpetuity? And I think you might find the Chinese inven
58 AverageUser : The crucial point is that we're "helping" the "regular" interglacial warm period quite a bit. This is the first time anyone or anything has dissipate
59 Joni : No-one has been claiming the current situation (or, more accurately, the 1950 situation) would be static. Just have a look at the coming and going of
60 Dougloid : You don't need to know anything about those places to tell them how to live-that's the a.net way. You're dodging the issue. Face the facts-those coun
61 Post contains links Baroque : I said to be patient. The 2007 data for Aus are now in: http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...cord/2008/01/03/1198949965661.html "Aust has sixth warm
62 AverageUser : We can discuss overpopulation in a separate thread if you want to, ok? Not here, please. Hit the "new topic" for that.
63 Post contains links AverageUser : These links to share: http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html http://nsidc.org/news/press/2007_seaiceminimum/20070810_faq.html
64 Dougloid : You're still dodging the issue, because you can't put climate change in a silo and insulate ot from the general human condition. We're not talking ab
65 Post contains links CALTECH : More and more scientists are saying man made global warming is a hoax. A IceAge may be coming. I am glad I am in Florida for now. http://en.rian.ru/an
66 AverageUser : That's true as the present condition is man-produced. Even if Ahmed can't read too well, is poor and has fathered 10, he's surely not the main culpri
67 Dougloid : I don't know who this fellow Ahmed you speak of is so I'll assume that ti's a literary device for you to make your point. Far be it from me to shangh
68 Queso : When it's dry out here in the desert in the fall it's not unusual for us to have a daytime high of 80 and a nighttime low of 30- a difference of 50 d
69 Post contains images N229NW : Meaning that the number is up from 0.5% of qualified scientists who believe this to 0.7%. Wake me up when it passes 2% of the people who actually res
70 Wingnut767 : Not quite as good as the IPCC though seeing by all the lefty lemmings who follow the report like the Old testament
71 Yellowstone : The difference is, all us "lefty lemmings" know that we aren't qualified to make our own assessment of the existence or nonexistence of anthropogenic
72 Allstarflyer : And not even they agree anywhere close to unison. It helps to listen to them as a whole and not just the ones who will make you feel better about you
73 Yellowstone : They may not all agree on the effects of anthropogenic climate change, or on the relative importance of the natural element versus the man-made one,
74 Post contains images Windshear : 2007 was the warmest year in Danish history, yet this January we are freezing our butts off, I know I am not being scientific, but sometimes I wish f
75 RJdxer : And your proof of this is? But it's not the first time in the planets history that it has experienced a warm up, or a warm down, nor are we anywhere
76 Boeing7E7 : No chit! I'm sick of shoveling snow this year! Perfect example of the hype My brother is an liberal douchebike enviro junkie, complains that it's mor
77 Joni : This isn't even the case, since the case most likely is that the (tiny) fraction of deniers is shrinking, not growing. I don't see the problem. Witho
78 Post contains links Baroque : A bit longer than you can remember. And long enough to start worrying about the stats, if you understand the stats. NSW, Vic and SA all had their war
79 Post contains links CALTECH : I remember Minot AFB, -76 degrees fahrenheit (wind chill) in the winter, and close to 100 degrees in the summer. The state record is a difference of
80 Post contains links RJdxer : That is an incorrect statement. http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb In October, the Washington Post Staff Write
81 Airlinelover : While it will eb in the 50s on sun/mon, It sure as hell feels like Global Warming never existed.. Ann Arbor as -7 yesterday morning, DTW was 6 above..
82 AverageUser : And you haven't made a case why we should out of some necessity take poor and hungry people as our role models re global warming.
83 Post contains links Baroque : Have you looked at the isotope data? These processes are very well understood and a number of external controls are available. http://www.climate.uni
84 AverageUser : Yes, and that really came as no surprise to me. It's consistent with the earliest world-wide models I saw published in the general press in the 1980s
85 AverageUser : Oi, time to start packing, you coastal cities! New Orleans was just a dress rehearsal in a country town theatre.[Edited 2008-01-04 07:56:10]
86 Post contains links Joni : We've been through those "petitions", Caltech. Ah, the "Inhofe 400 petition". These "petitions" raised 19.000 so-called "experts" in 2001, which is n
87 AverageUser : Great post Joni! it's that marginalization I mentioned at work again!
88 Baroque : Quite a range Joni. I know some of them and they range from knowledgeable and with relevant expertise, to total eccentrics. Among the knowledgeable a
89 Post contains links OlegShv : Global warming due to GHGs is alive and well. Did you even bother to google "Stephen Schwartz" and actually read what he wrote on his website about h
90 Post contains links Wingnut767 : What sea ice loss? According to NOAA data presented on the web site of Bill Chapman of the Polar Research Group at the University of Illinois (Urbana-
91 CALTECH : And some activists here keep closing their minds and denying these facts. Just because it doesn't fit with your agenda, does not make it debunked. I
92 RJdxer : But at best they give a shotgun pattern over a number of years since it might snow in that particular section of the world today but a blizzard may h
93 AverageUser : Except that the doubt is now somewhere else, it's in the minds of the increasing amount of swinging voters. The agitation for my part I fnd particula
94 Confuscius : For now...it'll be on again in summer.
95 AverageUser : " target=_blank>http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ You might want to know that the site now indicates: NOTE: The timeseries graphs on this site
96 Gkirk : Nope, global warming hasn't stopped. There, thread closed
97 AverageUser : It's not a hoax to me, but if it is, it's the most elaborate and cunning one in history. But I agree it will tax people. A lot.
98 Joni : No, it's debunked because the signatories don't know their stuff AND the petition doesn't actually even contradict the idea that human actions warm t
99 Post contains links CALTECH : Oh a double negative, you didn't even read the petitions' cover statement huh. Here it is. http://www.oism.org/pproject/ From the cover letter of the
100 Post contains links Baroque : Which particular "facts" would they be? There is the well known fact that the specific absorption of IR for water is greater than that for carbon dio
101 Post contains links Joni : AFAIK that's not what's mean by a double negative, but moving on.. you're amazingly claiming that I wouldn't have read the cover of the petition, des
102 MD11Engineer : For me, it would actually make sense to have several vehicles tailored to the need I have at the moment. I could e.g. use a small vehicle for driving
103 CALTECH : Still not admitting that you were wrong about claiming that the 'petition' does not contradict that humans are creating this hoax you support ? Well,
104 Joni : Oh Caltech, deary dear. Here we are again, I'll have to refer you back to post 101 and the references therein. I suggest you read it with a view to l
105 Post contains links AverageUser : Your opinion leaders have now finally realized that global warming will hurt their capitalist businesses as well, so kindly be welcomed to a lonely e
106 CALTECH : I won't refer to any past posts posted by yourself, as you seem to ignore the evidence mounting against this emperor-has-clothes made-up field of man
107 Post contains links Yellowstone : Scientific American's response to the Oregon Petition: "Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a
108 CALTECH : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_...ition Wikipedia, he he he. The Scientific American response, was a blog with no scientific bac
109 Post contains links and images Queso : Because I can. And that's enough. I am using some of the cabron credits from little children in Botswana who have no car. That's how I do it. I have
110 Post contains links Joni : Let's see.. a search reveals you've referred to this gynecologist on at least three occasions: Gore Wins The Nobel Peace Prize (by Continental Oct 12
111 Yellowstone : I don't accuse the OISM people of falsifying the results of their petition. Why do you accuse SA of falsifying the results of their investigation? Th
112 AverageUser : I'm glad you accepted the opportunity to at least take a quick look at the article, but that has apparently made your argumentation rather more shaki
113 Baroque : Great work Queso, keep it up. I need to be able to raise the costs for my services next year and I am confident your sterling efforts will assist me
114 Post contains images Bezoar : Nice one!
115 Post contains links Surfpunk : With regard to the Arctic ice melting, has anyone read this report? The ice melt may not be GW-related after all.
116 Yellowstone : Umm, no, that's not what they said. To quote them (and the emphasis is mine), "The results suggest not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate i
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