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Does The Iowa Caucus Matter?  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17329 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2681 times:

Does the Iowa Caucus matter?


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2674 times:

To people in Iowa, definitely. To all the political "experts," without a doubt. To me personally, not one bit.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17329 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2661 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
To all the political "experts," without a doubt

I'm not sure they think it "matters" so much as it's the first of many dog and pony shows to come



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2643 times:

Myself it is outdated and a waste of money!


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21508 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2633 times:

Unfortunately yes.

To have a handful of smaller states having such a strong say in determining the eventual nominee is absolutely ridiculous. Have a Super Tuesday on which every state has their primary, and then go from there.

Iowa can find other ways to make itself feel important.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2625 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
Does the Iowa Caucus matter?

Publicity is what it is, it's make or break time for a number of candidates.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39684 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2614 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
To have a handful of smaller states having such a strong say in determining the eventual nominee is absolutely ridiculous. Have a Super Tuesday on which every state has their primary, and then go from there.

I have to disagree. Having a nationwide primary would be terrible. I like the idea of small states having the first primaries and caucus because it gives the underdog, under-funded, lesser known candidate and opportunity to get their name out and meet the voters. This gives the voters the opportunity to get to know the candidates close up.
A nationwide primary hands ALL the power to the status quo, the party insiders, the establishment, large corporations and the media. Why even bother having elections?
I am happy with states like Iowa and New Hampshire having the first say.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2613 times:



Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 5):
it's make or break time for a number of candidates

Absolutely. In the past, the IA and NH caucuses/primaries have spelled the end of many a campaign. It's a shame that so early in the races, so many candidates have to hang it up after a poor showing in IA and/or NH.

A better question, in my mind, is "Should it matter?" My answer would be "Not any more than any other state of similar population."

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Have a Super Tuesday on which every state has their primary, and then go from there.

Either that, or ban news coverage and polls entirely, so we can all make up our own minds instead of voting for the most likely winner. So which scenario is more likely?  Wink


User currently offlineN74jw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

The caucus is a start to a long and tedious popularity contest. Unfortunately, the one with the most money and whom can hold out the longest will win. As of now Mitt Romney fits that mold. I am not counting on Republicans for much this time around...

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2475 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
A nationwide primary hands ALL the power to the status quo, the party insiders, the establishment, large corporations and the media.

Exactly - great comment Superfly.

As a native, ex-patriot of Iowa, I've never really understood the caucuses until I actually moved out of state. I mean, I knew how they worked, but didn't get the significance of it.

The main relevancy of the Iowa Caucuses is "electability."

People in Iowa are notoriously stubborn - but at the same time, even more notoriously logical and reasonable. They sweat common sense. That's just how people in Iowa are.

Because of that, Iowans pick people who other people will also like. It's related to the old "Will it play in Peoria" mantra of the entertainment industry. Peoria, ironically, is 80 miles from the Iowa border.



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User currently offlineN74JW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Obama & Huckabee are the projected winners so far...

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

The Obama thing doesn't suprise me. All I really want is a strong Democrat to win. My preference doesn't matter, either Clinton or Obama.

Although the Huckabee thing worries me a little. Projections from CNN/NBC/CBS a week or 2 ago showed that Clinton or Obama will win solidly against Huckabee. Looks like the momentum is on the Dems side.

Just because Clinton didn't win in Iowa, she will still be strong in NH. I expect her to win there and contend for the nomination.

I think in the end, it will be a Clinton and Obama ticket. Don't know which way it will be the VP-P, but that is a tough ticket.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Since I don't think either person who won, Huckabee and Obama, will win their party's nominations, I'd say no.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2430 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Since I don't think either person who won, Huckabee and Obama, will win their party's nominations

Yeah, I think it will probably be Romney and Clinton. Huckabee would probably loose to any of the Dems, but especially Clinton, as she has had federal government experience.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Here's the G2 from Precinct 48.
First run was
151 Obama
49 Clinton
53 Edwards
37 Richardson
28 Biden
0-Dodd
2-Kucinich
0-Gravel

Campaigns with under 49 were not viable

Second run was

175 Obama (+24)
72 Edwards (+19)
62 Clinton (+13)

On the question of whether it matters?

Well, we get to feel we're important every four years for one thing.

Secondly, these folks have been here for nearly a year. That gives everyone, including the folks in the rest of the world, a chance to see what they're made of. They have to come here in the dead of winter, drink coffee, listen to homely concerns like kids and schools and old folks and the factory closing up and moving to China. These are all things that are important to everyone. It's like a laboratory combined with a road test.

This is the place to be if you want to see candidates up close and personal. There was a story in today's paper about a couple from Van Nuys who came here as political tourists and they were well pleased. They met several candidates and bumped into Bill Clinton on an elevator in their hotel. And they got some answers to their questions.

So, it's important as a proving ground. Whether it reflects the constituencies in larger states, that's questionable because ethnically speaking we're mostly white folks around here. We're also interested in open government and having our say in government...it's complicated and messy but ultimately good. Before the age of security the only thing that kept us out of the governor's office was a velvet rope like they have in theaters, and one secretary. In fact I met the last governor in a bar one night.

But when a buncha white folks like me go out on a winter's night to vote for a black man, you know something big is happening here. History is being made.

As far as the general idea of politics, I'd say to y'all, jump in-the water's fine. Join a campaign or run for city council. If you want good government you gotta do it yourself-maybe that's the value of things like this.

[Edited 2008-01-03 19:17:45]

[Edited 2008-01-03 19:21:46]

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2394 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 13):

Yeah, I think it will probably be Romney and Clinton. Huckabee would probably loose to any of the Dems, but especially Clinton, as she has had federal government experience.

It's very unlikely it would be Romney - I really don't think he stands much chance at all in New Hampshire with the inevitable bump Huckabee and McCain will get there. People who might have wanted Romney will split to McCain, who will likely repeat his 2000 victory in NH. From there - it's McCain v. Giuliani for the GOP nomination.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
Here's the G2 from Precinct 48.

What was your caucus location Dougloid? My gf lives in W. Des Moines and caucused at an elementary school on Prarie View and EP True ... number 315 I think. Here were her first-run results:

Obama - 80s
Edwards - 40s
Clinton - 40s
Biden - teens
Dodd - 6

Second run, Obama had about the same, Edwards came in second, Clinton third and Biden fourth. 2 delegates to Obama and one each to Clinton, Edwards and Biden.

In Muscatine, Iowa, where my mom caucused for Hilary, she won by a 3-2-1 margin over Obama and Edwards, respectively.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2392 times:



Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):

Either that, or ban news coverage and polls entirely

Yeah, that wont happen for so many reasons.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2385 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I have to disagree. Having a nationwide primary would be terrible. I like the idea of small states having the first primaries and caucus because it gives the underdog, under-funded, lesser known candidate and opportunity to get their name out and meet the voters. This gives the voters the opportunity to get to know the candidates close up.
A nationwide primary hands ALL the power to the status quo, the party insiders, the establishment, large corporations and the media. Why even bother having elections?

Let's all join hands and await the rapture..... I fully agree with Larry here.

Smaller states would be completely ignored if they didn't go first. It gives us the chance to see the candidates interaction in peoples living rooms and diners with actual voters. Now...we get to see them pander their asses off, but we get to decide who really looks full of shit and who seems sincere. It's not that hard to see who's pandering.

For the same reason there are two senators from every state and for the same reason that there is an electoral college.....the states need a measure of equality for the Union to work.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I like the idea of small states having the first primaries and caucus because it gives the underdog, under-funded, lesser known candidate and opportunity to get their name out and meet the voters.

LOL, and yet nobody is interested in anything to do with smaller states like Iowa in any other instance. On most other subjects, people from the large West and East Coast states act like the MIdwest is a backwater.

Back to the topic: They can still get out and meet the voters without a caucus. As for being underfunded, the "free press" created by the Internet (You Tube, etc) will increasingly continue to level the playing field for candidates in the future.

I think the danger is that too many lazy people will now vote for Huckabee or Obama "just because" they think those candidates have the strongest chance of winning based on the Caucus performance. Isn't there a reason election returns used to be broadcast after the West Coast polls had already closed?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2366 times:



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):

LOL, and yet nobody is interested in anything to do with smaller states like Iowa in any other instance. On most other subjects, people from the large West and East Coast states act like the MIdwest is a backwater.

Actually, as someone from the West Coast, I really like the way Iowa works. Iowans generally don't buy in as much to bullshit political spin the way many people in this country do, and do very well by ignoring such.



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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 847 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I am happy with states like Iowa and New Hampshire having the first say.

Why do Iowa and New Hampshire always get to hold the first caucuses? What makes them so special? Why can't New Mexico be first?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 20):

Why do Iowa and New Hampshire always get to hold the first caucuses? What makes them so special?

Tradition.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39684 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2340 times:



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
people from the large West and East Coast states act like the MIdwest is a backwater.

Not me and nor do us on the West coast. Those East-coast snobs that like that crappy flat crust New York style pizza may think that way. Half the people I know in SFO are from Wisconsin, Minneoplis and Illinois.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
I think the danger is that too many lazy people will now vote for Huckabee or Obama "just because" they think those candidates have the strongest chance of winning

The evil side of me actually likes that.  devil 
Mike Huckabee is the man I want to win the GOP nomination. I'd be totally fine with him as President as well.
He wont get anything done, yet will take to fall for the mess in Iraq and thown out in 2012 in favor of a strong influential Democrat to get elected in 2012. Obama will have a stronger resume by 2012 also.

Keep in mind, Iowa and New Hampshire are one of the few states that switched between the 2000 and 2004 elections. They are swing states, yet have relativly inexpensive media markets to give the smaller lesser known candidate a leg up against Wall street and Capitol Hill's candidate.
The Iowa caucus does matter and so does the New Hampshire primary.
Rudy Guilani thinks he can cherry-pick which primaries he is going to compete in. That didn't work so well for Wesley Clark in 2004, and it wont work for that petty little hot-head from New York either.
Yet Rudy Giulani has featured in a Yahoo and CNN headline as Huckabee won the first caucus of 2008. Gee, does anyone else see a media bias?



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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 847 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Tradition.

That doesn't really seem fair. Other states should also have a chance to hold the first caucuses in a Presidential election.



The reason New Mexico is so windy is because Texas sucks and Arizona blows.
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 20):
Why do Iowa and New Hampshire always get to hold the first caucuses? What makes them so special? Why can't New Mexico be first?

Tradition and a willingness to force it to stay that way.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
I think the danger is that too many lazy people will now vote for Huckabee or Obama "just because" they think those candidates have the strongest chance of winning based on the Caucus performance.

Let's see what happens in New Hampshire first. Huckabee will be lucky to place in the double digits while McCain and Paul will do much better than in Iowa.


25 JetBlueGuy2006 : Watching the coverage on CNN and MSNBC primarily, something I don't understand. Why does everyone seem to be counting Clinton out of the race? So what
26 EvilForce : Sorry but Iowa for the most part is nothing but backwards, rural traditionalists that should not be selecting who end up being the nominee. Iowa is 9
27 Post contains images ShyFlyer : Half the country thinks they need a passport to visit the state.
28 Post contains images ABQ747 : Good point. A lot of Hurricane Katrina evacuees didn't want to come to ABQ because they thought they were going to Mexico.
29 MD-90 : That explains Huckabee and Romney's victories.
30 Post contains images NIKV69 : Wishful thinking. Huckabee has no shot at winning anything. Rudy will win and actually do something. Hillary and Obama have no plan whatsoever and wi
31 ME AVN FAN : It is the first primary and so the first actual voting. THIS is its relative importance.
32 ME AVN FAN : To people outside of the USA it is interesting, as potential candidates become "visible". This "Huckka-What" suddenly has become a person in a way. -
33 MadameConcorde : I am no specialist in American politics and Presidential elections. I have a question for those who know more than me. Does the fact that Hillary Clin
34 Post contains images Superfly : Ummm, he just won tonight. The Iowa caucus is a VERY high profile election. ...and that is my biggest fear. Anyone concerned about individual civil l
35 Beaucaire : Now that caucus was held in a 90% white ,rural and quite conservative state. Can one extrapolate that Obama's results would be even better in rather m
36 Post contains links and images Superfly : Certainly goes to show that Democratic voters are more sophisticated and will look beyond race and vote on a candidate based on their merit. What get
37 767Lover : Gee, that's scary. I would never vote to have four years of shit just to "prove a point." I rest my case:
38 LTBEWR : The Iowa Caucuses, along with the New Hampshire primaries, are a very important 1st screening of candidates for the parties. Those that come in 1st, 2
39 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Well if they're going to vote for Huckabee it just confirms my suspicion And even Obama
40 Dougloid : I'm starting to like your style, 'fly. It's also something you need to take up with your political party. Look who all those white folks just gave a
41 Seb146 : I used to think every state should vote on the same day. This is a good reason why small states should go first. Oregon primaries are in May, I think
42 Planespotting : Your "case" shouldn't rely on other people to make statements of fact that are irrelevant.
43 Dougloid : Well, what actually happened last night is we selected delegates to the state convention in March, although I do not think anyone stayed around for t
44 ME AVN FAN : Well, I might say it is wrong. States like Oregon should place their primaries BEFORE the Supper Tuesday
45 Seb146 : I am just confused, I guess, about the difference between "primary" and "caucus." So, in Iowa, the caucus is the primary, it sounds like. Like in Ore
46 Post contains images MaverickM11 : ...and call middle America racist, bigoted, or close minded
47 Post contains images AirTranTUS : Surely you don't believe that "sophisticated" crap.
48 MaverickM11 : Oh but he does. Merit? Obama is admittedly a very nice guy, a handsome guy, a good speaker, and has about 20 minutes of actual experience to put on h
49 PPVRA : Rudy seems to do as much Dem-bashing as you say the Dems to Bush bashing. I'd say even more, because that's all he does. His insistence on the term "
50 Travelin man : You could have said the same thing about Bill Clinton and George W. Bush (in terms of experience). Personally I hope Huckabee is the GOP nominee, bec
51 MaverickM11 : Yeah it's a disturbing, if not new, trend
52 NIKV69 : The state is all born again who do you think they are going to pick? You forget your buddy Dean won there and he did so good after that. Your dreamin
53 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Midwesterners are normally very friendly, until somebody from either of the coasts asks for it... Sorry dude, buy your comment reeks of 100% pure bul
54 Planespotting : Sorry buddy, Dean did not win in Iowa, nor New Hampshire - nor anywhere else for that matter. Because Rudy's going to take them [civil liberties] all
55 Post contains images Superfly : Not! Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton and Al Gore won Iowa in the general elections. Iowa is hardly a "born again" state. What have you been drinking? H
56 EvilForce : No it just shows how little you know. I spent 18 years growing up in the "forward and progressive" (not) Iowa. It's backwards, period. Just because I
57 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - In view of your emphasis on experience YOU of course have to be in favour of Hillary clinton, as she, whenever under the cover of the potential fir
58 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh that explains it. Oh BS the % of Born agains and Evangelicals is a hell of lot more than 20%. All the people with illusions of granduer thinking h
59 Post contains links Dougloid : We're not all born again-that's a really stupid assed thing to say- and you need to rethink your facts. Here's from the 2004 caucus. Dean didn't even
60 767Lover : I'd rather pick the candidate (from either party) who can provide the best standard of life for all Americans and improve our position in the world.
61 HuskyAviation : And it's been that way for 220 years. Candidates don't get everywhere--how else would you recommend you get information about the candidates? It is "
62 Superfly : Consider the fact that Iowa was one of the few states that switched between Democrat and Republican in the 2000 and 2004 general elections. It is a s
63 ME AVN FAN : So that she is an arch-typical politician. And, as going with the wind, in the end will be the first female US president -
64 Post contains images Superfly : Oh must you be so naive?
65 Post contains links PHLBOS : Unless an Iowa resident from your own party is running; 1992 being the example I'm referring to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_caucus When Iowa S
66 767Lover : I'd rather be naive than vengeful when it affects a whole nation of innocent people.
67 Superfly : That would be the only exception.
68 EvilForce : Actually I can. My point was to illustrate that Iowa likes to think they pick candidate who can "beat the other guy". What happens, like happened whe
69 Post contains links Superfly : EvilForce: One important variable you didn't take in to consideration is the amount of time between the Iowa caucus and the general election in Novemb
70 Dougloid : I do not think I ever heard Obama say anything about farm subsidies-which seem to be a favorite of the government that's been in power the last seven
71 AirCop : The United States Senate isn't a great jumping off point to run for President; the last time a sitting Senator won the election for the White House w
72 Post contains links and images NIKV69 : I know Iowa is not all born again but it is predominantly evangelical and it's why Huckabee won and that just doesn't exit in NH. Deal with it. Oh I
73 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Whether he was "bashing" his opponent or not was irrelevant to me. That the USA had a chance to get an intelligent and more or less honourable pers
74 Seb146 : I know, I know... It would be nice to have a little lip service paid. I like having information about the candidates, but it would be nice if they wo
75 Post contains images Dougloid : Deal with what? you're just plain old country wrong about that and I don't seem to see where you have the understanding to make that sort of a statem
76 Post contains links Planespotting : Iowa can only pick who the parties give them... NO - It's not predominantly evangelical you moron! It's predominantly catholic - http://www.gc.cuny.e
77 EvilForce : CNN political analyst Bill Schneider found that among 1,600 Republican caucus goers, 60 percent identified as born again or evangelical Christians. Of
78 Post contains images Boeing4ever : You've never been to Mississippi have you? Meaning what in the end? Most of America doesn't come from LA, NYC, or Chicago. The priorities of every pa
79 NIKV69 : How am I wrong so your saying that Iowa doesn't have a huge base of evangelicals? Come on, give me a break. They do. Oh I forgot Clinton had so many
80 Post contains images Superfly : Oh give me a break. It's not Huckabee is going to tar & feathering non believers. Where was your concern for " a whole nation of innocent people" whe
81 LASOctoberB6 : This is the first time I've ever heard of a "caucus"... It sounds like a baked chicken that's been gone through by some locusts or something....That's
82 Superfly : Seeing that you live in Nevada, you should know this well before the age of 16. This isn't taught to you in school? I knew what a caucus was when I w
83 LASOctoberB6 : I don't recall ever hearing the word caucus.. If I have, it had to be-well, no, not even at school have I ever heard of the word caucus...Is there a
84 Superfly : You have primaries or you have a caucus. Nevada holds a caucus on January 19th. Not sure if you are 18 years old yet but you will have to participate
85 LASOctoberB6 : Oh! Well I know what voting is and all, I just never heard of it being called a "caucus". So the thread name could be "Does the Iowa Vote Matter"? I'
86 HuskyAviation : Being that a caucus doesn't result in you exercising any constitutional right to vote (because it's not a vote), give the guy a break.
87 Seb146 : In my school, we did not have any type of civics class until my Junior year. I took civics spring term of that year which made me 16. But, that was a
88 NIKV69 : Denial about what? Your the person who actually thinks Huckabee has a shot at winning the nom. Come on your the one that can't deal with the fact you
89 Dougloid : I've lived here in Des Moines since 1993 and I have not seen what you're opinionizing about. I moved here from Los Angeles, I'm a reasonably well inf
90 Post contains images Superfly : We learned about it in 5th grade. I knew about it before then because many people in the family were in politics. So far he does but he probably won'
91 MaverickM11 : She is one of the two that have any healthcare experience, except her's defined disaster and she didn't have any mandate to try to fix it in the firs
92 Post contains images Falcon84 : Maybe Mitt would do better if it didn't look like he throws like a girl:
93 Halls120 : Which is exactly what the status quo already enjoys.
94 LAXspotter : As much as Romney isnt my candidate, I hate how he keeps on getting attacked by Pastor Huckabee, questioning his faith and bringing religion into the
95 NIKV69 : Come on can you honestly tell me Iowa and NH are a real representation of the country? Both states have little or no minorities and have a huge evang
96 Post contains images CastleIsland : Just to be clear, NH has a bunch of pickup trucks, shot guns and flannel shirts, but very few Evangelicals.
97 Planespotting : You're one to talk about cliche catch phrases.: also: Did you totally ignore the statistics I cited in reply #76? Iowa's base of evangelicals is at m
98 Superfly : Huh? Hillary nor Obama are not my top choices? Why do you keep putting your foot in your mouth? Just about everyone has refuted all of your rants, ye
99 LAXspotter : you can find that 55 miles east of Downtown LA, they even speak differently and sure enough we have a GOP representative in the House and an overabun
100 NIKV69 : Again Iowa and NH are not in line with the rest of the country. Let us wait and see what all the other states say, for some reason I doubt it will be
101 Seb146 : Also, can we please stop forwarding e-mails about Obama's church? I am sick of hearing how Christians aren't Christian enough to run a secular nation
102 Halls120 : Maybe a true underdog could capitalize on Iowa or New Hampshire thirty years ago, but not now. The way the other state primaries have collapsed time
103 AirCop : Jimmy Carter was the last true underdog that I can remember that capitalized on Iowa. Even the New Hampshire primary is not what it was, lets see Geo
104 Superfly : Halls120: I hear what you are saying. I still think a nationwide primary is a very bad thing. I disagree with the party's stripping delegates from sta
105 Dougloid : That's funny because I suspect that if you ever had spent any time in New Hampshire you'd know how preposterous that statement is. Minorities have ab
106 767Lover : The funny thing is that over Christmas, a die-hard Democrat (who apparently doesn't have much faith in the character of his fellow Americans) actuall
107 NIKV69 : It is when they vote. No, just devout christians. No need to exaggerate. He isn't black. In fact not even close. Come on. So, NY voted in Nadler, Ran
108 Post contains links 767Lover : Dude, what are you snorting or smoking? He's half black. Barack Sr. was a Kenyan. His photo is here. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_
109 Post contains links Dougloid : What I'm talking about is the fact that it seems that a good number of the registered republicans that turned out in the caucus were so called 'evang
110 HuskyAviation : Like it or not, Huckabee won because of Evangelical voters. He won 60% of Evangelical voters that voted, and only 14% of non-Evangelicals that voted.
111 Planespotting : I'm not saying Iowa has no evangelical voters, but think about this. 120,000 Republicans caucused in Iowa. That's about 4% of the state's population.
112 EvilForce : And you're from Chicago who's hometown guy won the neighboring state. The point is that those 91,000 people from Iowa that picked Obama last night as
113 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Well I should point out that while Hillary represents New York in the Senate, she is indeed originally from the Chicagoland area. The reason she's pr
114 Dougloid : Well, let's see if they get off their dead asses and get to the polls. History says they won't....they'll just keep squawking. Fine by me. My telepho
115 ME AVN FAN : - Well, this photo does NOT show a "Black", to put it simply. That he is half-Black/half-White of course is undeniable. But when I first saw pictures
116 NIKV69 : What I find funny is that he is not black. He is malado. But since he is high profile and some are praying he gets elected he is considered black. Th
117 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - While I would welcome his becoming elected I do NOT consider him "black" even if his father of course IS black.
118 Post contains images Superfly : Earlier you said he was Green.
119 NIKV69 : DING! we have a winner! It's amazing to see how the media has whipped everyone into a frenzy, can you imagine what super Tuesday will be like?
120 Superfly : Why does it matter so much to you Nicholas? Earlier you said he was Green.
121 767Lover : I'm talking about the dad. Barack Obama's dad. He is Kenyan.
122 ME AVN FAN : Quoting 767Lover (Reply 121): Barack Obama's dad. He is Kenyan. - Ehhhhhm, sure, and most Kenyans happen to be Blacks. But it is NOT the father who wa
123 LAXspotter : The way that race is broken down is scientifically inaccurate and simplistic not to mention race is a social construct. What does it mean to be Black
124 ME AVN FAN : - Even the terms are contradictory. Here, the term "Caucasian" refers to people from Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and the Caucasian areas of Russia,
125 767Lover : Of course, I know that (and I knew someone would bring it up.) That's why I supplied a photo of Sr. Why does this matter so much to you???? I simply
126 767Lover : Well, Barack Obama Jr. (the candidate) is the one who is labeling himself Black, so shall we just ignore him and tell him he's wrong? Maybe you and N
127 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Like BCS bowl day on Jan 1st? Watching a poorly conceived selection system in action with candidates who barely deserve the slots they have compete a
128 ME AVN FAN : It does NOT matter much to me I MISunderstood you by reading that you referred to the candidate he is completely free to do so, but he might as well
129 Bmacleod : The early results from DixieNotch N.H. remind me of election day 2004 when early results had John Kerry winning by a landslide. We all knew what happe
130 NIKV69 : Oh my I hate college football for that reason. What a joke. Hey you guys hear Hillary is dragging that idiot Carville out of the closet for her campa
131 ME AVN FAN : Well, last I heard now is 39% Hillary Clinton and 37% Barrack Obama. So that it will be quite interesting to see how things will develop.
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