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Mysterious Pandemic Sweeps The U.K.  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10888 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

British media sources are reporting on this pandemic as being due to a virus, and as we can read as reported by Guardian News Service in their report titled "Vomiting bug to get worse", and which says:

"Infections from the debilitating Norovirus stomach bug will peak this week as millions return to work after the holidays and spread the germs, the government has warned. The virus, which was responsible for closing more than 100 hospital wards last week and Doctors estimate that more than 100,000 people a week are catching the infection - and the rate may peak this week as the virus takes the opportunity to spread in the workplace and classrooms.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/jan/06/health

I am calling on all U.K. forum members to let us know if this is real or just another media hype.  Confused  faint 


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
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I don't know about the UK, but I had this same thing last February, and I can assure you, it's not fun. At the same time I had this, a friend of mine working as a nurse said they had to isolate entire floors because the Norovirus epidemic was flooding the entire hospital.

The easiest way to catch the virus is walk around in crowded places. It's also easy to catch it in a restaurant - a sick waiter handling a plate is enough if he didn't wash his hands too well.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Nope, its not a hype, its a real danger - every one of my local hospitals has at least one ward closed, and several wards have been closed more than once as new patients get the virus again.

You do get an immunity from having it, but it only lasts a few months so it can be quite dangerous.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1309 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
"Vomiting bug to get worse"



User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11612 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

I'm not sure about the whole UK, but from a personal perspective I can tell you that 80% of my family had it, or still do, and that it's not at all nice! So far I've managed to avoid it, *touch wood*, and i hope that I continue to, as I have too much work to be taking time off now.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10888 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Thank you for your reports.

Are there any doctors on the forum who can tell us more about this pandemic and how to (maybe) avoid it?

I most worry about flights. Planes are a very "enclosed" environment.
We never know who is sitting next to us or if the flight attendants might have this nasty virus.

This makes me want not to travel to the U.K. but maybe it is spread out in other places only our liar politicians won't tell us.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

My class in college was empty all week, only about 6 out of 17 of us were in lessons and it was down to this bug. Some of the teachers were also off and the local hospital stopped people visiting to stop it spreading.

I have avoided it so far but I know some people in my class will return next week not fully recovered and that will spread it.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10888 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

This is another related article.
I am not a member of the NHS. Again I am not sure if this is a hype or not.

How doctors lie on death certificates to hide the true scale of the toll from hospital infections
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=505798&in_page_id=1770



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Are there any doctors on the forum who can tell us more about this pandemic and how to (maybe) avoid it?

1. Avoid people. Go out during non-peak times to reduce your exposure to crowds.
2. Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with your hands. That's how 99% of communicable illnesses are contracted.
2. Wash your hands frequently, especially after touching doorknobs and other communal "touch points."
3. Carry a bottle of Purell alcohol gel at all times and use it frequently.

Become aware whenever you touch something that is likely to carry pathogenic virii and bacteria. As a nurse, it's become second nature. I use Purell after touching doorknobs, handling money, shaking hands, and other places where other peoples' hands have been. I haven't had the flu in five years and haven't had a common cold in three years.

[Edited 2008-01-06 09:29:31]

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Are there any doctors on the forum who can tell us more about this pandemic and how to (maybe) avoid it?



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
How doctors lie on death certificates to hide the true scale of the toll from hospital infections

If you believe the article you quoted that doctors lie on death certificates, what makes you think they would tell you the truth about how to avoid infections here in an open forum?

Everybody knows how to avoid infections, and this is no different from any other. Wash your hands often, keep your hands away from your face as much as possible, use a towel to open a public bathroom door when exiting, etc. No need for conspiracies, it's just common sense.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Its also hit Ireland. I know so many people that have been sick this Xmas/New Year. Even when I have called companies over the last few weeks looking to speak to people alot are out sick !!!

I got sick over the Xmas period but thankfully it passed after 3 days and I didn't get stomach problems. Just mega sore throat and blocked sinuses. The only thing you can do is sleep,hot tea and lemon and aspirin every 4 hours !!!


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
How doctors lie on death certificates to hide the true scale of the toll from hospital infections

No need for government conspiracies here ... the Norovirus isn't some kind of superbug, it's just a super-contagious stomach flu. If you treat dehydration well, it's very unlikely to die from it.

The tips others and myself gave (avoid crowds, keep your hands away from your face and wash them often) is the best you can do to avoid it.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Keyboards and mice, ATM buttons, toilet flush levers, door handles on shop doors, and counter tops are known to be cesspools for nasty critters.

User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1181 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
This makes me want not to travel to the U.K. but maybe it is spread out in other places only our liar politicians won't tell us.

It's not just the UK. My brother-in-law is a doctor on an A&E ward in Christchurch, New Zealand and he had it over Christmas and New Year (picked it up on the ward from a whole family that came in because of it).

The thing is, it's been around for a very long time. in 2001 at university in Leicester, my student house of 6 all came down with it. The place was awful - 48 hours of hell!! It spread around our university very quickly.

Make sure you keep your hands clean. Buy disinfectant wipes and keep them on you for public areas. And try not to touch your eyes with dirty fingers.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10888 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Thank you all for your comments and advice.
It seems that this virus was not much talked about before. Have any people died from it at all?
I wonder if the fact that people are consuming more and more genetically modified foods help this kind of virus to enter the human body more quickly? Genetically modified foods seem to have become a taboo subject something not to be talked about.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1142 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Have any people died from it at all?

I don't anyone in the UK has died from this stomach bug but the very young and elderly are most at risk and are likely to suffer from it for longer.

I know some people have had for a day and others for over a week.


User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1759 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

My friend has had it since Boxing Day and is only just starting to recover from it. I had it a few weeks back and it's not nice at all.


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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

It hit Berlin big time this year. Haven't had it yet and my fingers are crossed, but some of my friends fell victim to the virus. It's hell for 3 days and then you're fine again (Sunshine79, your friend probably has some other kind of infection, the Noro virus doesn't takes as long).

As far as deaths are concerned, every year there are about 50 dead in Germany due to the Noro virus. Mostly the elderly, the young and the weak.

To add to the avoidance hints given here, infected people are contagious long after the symptoms have gone away (up to 10 days), so maintain strict hygiene afterwards as well. Wash cloths and bedsheets at 60 degrees.

Good luck everyone.



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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 989 times:

I was wondering if this is any differnet to the Norwalk virus. Me and most of my family had that a few yrs ago over Christmas, no fun. Very contagious.

If you've ever vomitted so many times that there's nothing else to give, then you know what it's all about. I fainted twice whilst trying to vomit for a seventh and eigth time (I've never fainted before or since) and the pain in my stomach muscles was some of the worst pain I've had.

I wouldn't wish it on anybody.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 983 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Thank you all for your comments and advice.
It seems that this virus was not much talked about before. Have any people died from it at all?

Well here in the USA it is a common occurrence on cruise lines from time to time, so much so that it is not that much of a news story for the media.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Eh, just give it 28 days. By then, the infected will be dead or shot, and all you need to do is find a country farm house to hide in for the next month!

 Smile

UAL


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 959 times:

It seems to like to break out on cruise ships.

A couple of years ago when the QM2 was on it's round the world trip they had an outbreak. It made news up here because then recently former Alaska governer Frank Murkowski was on the boat. We can only hope that he spent time on the poop deck.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 932 times:
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Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 18):
I was wondering if this is any differnet to the Norwalk virus.

This *is* the Norwalk virus...



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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 914 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 20):
By then, the infected will be dead or shot, and all you need to do is find a country farm house to hide in for the next month!

If you have an infected friend or family member, you might chain him up in your yard and see what he does.  Wink


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 865 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 23):
If you have an infected friend or family member, you might chain him up in your yard and see what he does.



User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 803 times:

A comment on "pandemic" in the title:



According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a pandemic can start when three conditions have been met:

the emergence of a disease new to the population.
the agent infects humans, causing serious illness.
the agent spreads easily and sustainably among humans.

(Wikipedia, pandemic)

The noroviruses are nothing new to the population, and the virus has already spread worldwide.
This is just a plain old epidemic.


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