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New Jersey Apologizes For Slavery.. So What?  
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Since Soren seems tired of Fox News, I'll give TWO sources..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/07/nj.slavery.bill/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,320912,00.html


I call this worthless. The people of the state of New Jersey are not the people who were the cause of, supporters of, or starters of slavery. They are decendents. They hold no blame or responsibility for what people did over 100 years ago.


From Fox:
TRENTON, N.J. — New Jersey became the first Northern state to apologize for slavery, as legislators approved a resolution Monday expressing "profound regret" for the state's role in the practice.

The Assembly and the Senate 29-2 both voted overwhelmingly to approve the resolution, which expresses the Legislature's opinion without requiring action by the governor.
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Opponents said the apology was a meaningless gesture. Assemblyman Richard Merkt, a Republican, said everyone deems slavery an abomination.


CNN has nothing like that, indeed they have a lot less in their story..

Nice to see tax money is paying these government people for something so "meaningful"..  sarcastic 

What a complete and utter waste of government time, resources, breath, and ink..


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Absolutely stupid.

First, NJ, being a Northern state, wasn't one of the slave states. Second, there is not one person who was alive back then still breathing to this day.

New Jersey's whole government sucks, and the smoke is probably from their dope, but this is another low.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2219 times:



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
What a complete and utter waste of government time, resources, breath, and ink..

Just of Politicians posturing and posing for holy pictures.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

It is a cheap, attention getting and easy way for politicans to look good to the Black voters in the state. There was small but significant amounts of enslavement in New Jersey during the colonial era and until shortly after the creation of the USA.
Now if they would really do something that would really help like spending a lot more money for basic education for the far too many poor and poorly educated blacks in the state, that would be a real act.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2151 times:



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
They hold no blame or responsibility for what people did over 100 years ago.

Doesn't matter, as long as there are still people whining over things that happened decades or centuries ago, they will continue to blame present-day people for it. No different to some tards blaming Germans of being responsible for Hitler coming to power never mind the fact that like 90% of all Germans living today either weren't even born back then or were underage minors. The 'Blame Game' will always be popular  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Why can't NJ apologize for some of their more current slights against humanity... like Bon Jovi?

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

By the standards set here by the State of New Jersey, countries in the "Old World" had to issue catalogues of things to apologize for  bored   bored 

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2122 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
Why can't NJ apologize for some of their more current slights against humanity... like Bon Jovi?

hahahah I love it

YOWza



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Governments make symbolic gestures all the time, this is no different. Legislatures regularly take positions, express opinions, and recognize events or occurrences. Whether it is recognizing the contributions of a citizen or group, declaring a 'day', or apologizing for slavery.

Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
Nice to see tax money is paying these government people for something so "meaningful"..

What a complete and utter waste of government time, resources, breath, and ink..

No doubt that the staffer(s) who wrote up the motion could have been working on something else, arguably something more meaningful, but in the grand scheme of government activities, the time, money, and resources required to pass a motion (requiring no action) is relatively straightforward and not a heavy drain on resources.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

The last slave died probably 50 or 60 years ago. So, why apologize? Those who suffered it's wrath are long-gone.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
Why can't NJ apologize for some of their more current slights against humanity... like Bon Jovi?

Hey, anyone who says they'd never let PacMan Jones play on his Arena Football Team is all right in my book!


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2076 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
First, NJ, being a Northern state, wasn't one of the slave states.

What exactly do you mean by that? A quick Google (and a longer double checking of facts) indicates that slavery was certainly alive and well in NJ right up until 1846, when it was abolished. An census in 1800 showed over 12,000 black slaves present in NJ, and by 1830 NJ held over 60% of slaves present in the northern states.

Just because it wasn't a southern state doesn't mean slavery was not rife.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2019 times:



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
I call this worthless. The people of the state of New Jersey are not the people who were the cause of, supporters of, or starters of slavery. They are decendents. They hold no blame or responsibility for what people did over 100 years ago.



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
Absolutely stupid.



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
Just of Politicians posturing and posing for holy pictures.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
It is a cheap, attention getting and easy way for politicans to look good to the Black voters in the state.



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 4):
Doesn't matter, as long as there are still people whining over things that happened decades or centuries ago, they will continue to blame present-day people for it.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
The last slave died probably 50 or 60 years ago. So, why apologize? Those who suffered it's wrath are long-gone.

Ignorance unchecked couldn't find a more stirling example of the above...

...if Japan offered an apology to China for it's wrongs, to Korea for it's transgressions there, to the USA, and on and on..

..the Turks acknowledge it's wrong doing against the Armenians...

..the Chilean State to the people for the Pinochet admin.

.and I can go on and on...

...and you people can't see worth in officially acknowledging and apologizing for A WRONG larger and more grotesque than all the above. All I can say is there's no hope for you in understanding humanity nor it's value... at all.

Good post Moo...


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2006 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
...if Japan offered an apology to China for it's wrongs, to Korea for it's transgressions there, to the USA, and on and on..

..the Turks acknowledge it's wrong doing against the Armenians...

..the Chilean State to the people for the Pinochet admin.

.and I can go on and on...

Its quite amazing how the US is pushing Turkey to apologize to the Armenian people yet many people within the US somehow see something wrong with a formal apology, so what if all the slaves have died, if it does something to clear your moral conscience so be it. Most of the rest of the world feels that Germans are somehow guilty for the actions of Nazi Germany, most of the world want 1.5 Billion muslims to apologize for the actions of 19 men.



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
Good post Moo...

Thankyou, but you may not like my actual point of view as in a way I agree with the others you quoted - the slavery in question ended 150 years ago, the people with the ability to make an apology today have no connection to the people who carried out the slavery then, so why should they?

Recently I was approached while out shopping and asked to sign two petitions - one to call on the British Government to issue a formal apology for Britain's part in slavery, and the other saying I was making a personal apology.

I refused on both counts, because I personally have nothing to apologise for, and I feel that my government cannot apologise on behalf of the people that lived 200 years ago.

Do I think slavery is wrong? Yes. Do I think abolition was right? Yes. Do I think people taken for slavery were not treated with the respect a human being should have been? Yes.

But I have no involvement in slavery, so I have nothing to apologise for. And the same goes for my current government. Oh, and I also feel it somewhat incorrect to apologise on behalf of someone that may not want to apologise.

Where does it end? Where do we draw the line? Who do we not apologise for?

EDITED TO SAY - I mispoke in my unedited post, I said 'slavery ended 150 years ago' - this is of course total crap, slavery still goes on around the world and people are still subject to the terror of being sold to an owner and living their life in captivity.

[Edited 2008-01-08 15:19:03]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26422 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1995 times:



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):

What a complete and utter waste of government time, resources, breath, and ink..

So, am I to assume you think the Emancipation Proclamation, 13th, 14th and 15th amendments are the same?

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):

First, NJ, being a Northern state, wasn't one of the slave states.

Yes it was. Read Moo's post.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1983 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):

Ignorance unchecked couldn't find a more stirling example of the above...

Call names all you want. My point is that it is easier to apologize for things your ancestors did, and that you have no fault in, then it is to be proactive and actually DO something that has a lasting value or that actually helps current society.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1972 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
First, NJ, being a Northern state, wasn't one of the slave states.

Yes it was - it just got rid of the practice a few years before the Southern states.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
It is a cheap, attention getting and easy way for politicans to look good to the Black voters in the state.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
Why can't NJ apologize for some of their more current slights against humanity... like Bon Jovi?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 12):
Its quite amazing how the US is pushing Turkey to apologize to the Armenian people yet many people within the US somehow see something wrong with a formal apology

There is a difference. Turkey claims that the massacre never happened, kinda like Ahmedinnerjacket and the Holocaust. Nobody in the U.S. that I've ever heard of has tried to erase history and say that slavery never happened. It did happen, and we've spent many years discussing how wrong it was. All people are seeking from Turkey is simply an acknowledgement that the event did take place, and that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. A government apology is not necessarily required.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1972 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 10):
What exactly do you mean by that? A quick Google (and a longer double checking of facts) indicates that slavery was certainly alive and well in NJ right up until 1846, when it was abolished.

I think he means at the time of the American Civil War, 1861-1865. By that time, every state north of the Mason-Dixon were not slave-holding.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
...and you people can't see worth in officially acknowledging and apologizing for A WRONG larger and more grotesque than all the above.

Apologizing to WHO, BN747? All the slave are long dead. The last one died probably 60 years ago! Why apologize to people who ARE ALL DEAD? It serves no purpose.

And you cannot compare apologizing for slavery here to the Japanese apologizing to China for it's actions, circa 1931-1945, because there are STILL Chinese alive who endured that; same for Americans of Japanese descent put in internment camps during WWII while their own sons fought for this nation-different thing complete. Hell, my eye doctor for 30 years was one of those held in one of those camps. He DESERVES an apology. Chicken George, who died over 100 years ago, can't get any use from one now, can he?


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1968 times:



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 16):
erase history and say that slavery never happened

we had a great thread about that a while back, where we saw how many people were trying to be apologetic of one of the most reprehensible crimes in history. Does it hurt anyone if someone gives an apology that might seem meaningless, for one thing it should clear one's moral coscience.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1953 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
New Jersey's whole government sucks, and the smoke is probably from their dope, but this is another low.

Why do you think we are some much in debt as a state?? Our government officials spend money on stupid crap like this... Luckily we'll make up for it when we raise tolls 800% (that's no joke , by the way!!)



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting Airlinelover (Thread starter):
They hold no blame or responsibility for what people did over 100 years ago.

Reminds me of this African American who had no connection to her ancestors country of Ghana until she read up on it. She then tried to sue Lloyds Bank of London as they had financed the ship that her ancestors were taken on to the USA. Then she tried to claim she was emotionally affected by this !!!

I think the courts should have ruled that Lloyds Banks should pay her ticket and re patriate her to a village with no electricity and poverty and move her away from her dreadful car/house and job in a terrible country such as the USA  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1936 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 18):
Does it hurt anyone if someone gives an apology that might seem meaningless, for one thing it should clear one's moral coscience.

WTF? I DIDN'T HAVE SLAVES. I didn't support the Confederacy. I do not have a conscience to to clear on this matter, LAX. No one alive today, in the U.S. has owned slaves legally in this nation. Why should it clear THEIR conscience? What utter bullshit.

That's more PC crap, LAX, and you know it. If the slaves were still alive today, or slavery happened during our lifetimes, then I see a need to apologize to the slaves affected. But they're dead and gone now, may they rest in peace for the life they were forced to live. But APOLOGIZE? TO DEAD PEOPLE?

Sorry, no dice. Nothing to apologize for.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5):
Why can't NJ apologize for some of their more current slights against humanity... like Bon Jovi?

I am soooooo sorry for that!!! hey, but we did give you the Sopranos!!!

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 1):
First, NJ, being a Northern state, wasn't one of the slave states.

Actually, NJ was one of the largest holder of slaves in the Northern States....

[Edited 2008-01-08 16:39:26]


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1905 times:



Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 18):
Does it hurt anyone if someone gives an apology that might seem meaningless

Neither does it help anyone. The point is is that it is a waste of time of our public servants.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 18):
for one thing it should clear one's moral coscience

Why? It has nothing to do with me. My fathers ancestors came to America just after the Civil War. My mother was not even American. I certainly did not own any slaves.

Or am I supposed to feel some guilt because I'm a blue-eyed whitey?


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1892 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
That's more PC crap, LAX, and you know it.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 23):
That's more PC crap, LAX, and you know it.

do you want Germans to apologize for Nazi war crimes? Do want Muslims to apologize for Sept 11th and terrorist attacks? Do you want Turkey to apologize to the Armenian people?



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25 BN747 : Make light amd/or jokes of all you want...but the by-product of Slavery is a people alive and well and here today. They suffer a negative stigmatism
26 Post contains images Falcon84 : Yes, because many people still alive were victims of those crimes. Yes, because that is a current event, and those who died still have loved ones ali
27 Mdorbust : Well, if we are going to drag the Germans into this.. I want everyone of Italian ancestory to apologize to me for the Roman oppression of the pre-Ger
28 BN747 : First off, I have no idea where you got this nonsense of asking ANYONE asking YOU to apologize. Secondly I won't even bother to address that litany o
29 LAXspotter : wait so Muslims such as I and all the other Muslims that I know are somehow guilty for the actions of 19 men on sept. 11th? Then all 1.5 Billion shou
30 LAXspotter : just to add to that here are a list of apologies to groups whose victims were not alive at the time of the apology Tony Blair apologized on behalf of
31 ME AVN FAN : We have had this topic on this forum quite extensively already. Turkey is NOT denying that such things ever happened, but Turkey is emphasising the a
32 OA260 : Exactly , it happened and millions were wiped out !!! Theres a big difference between kidnap and genocide!!! Because Armenia is a poor and powerless
33 LAXspotter : Do you know how many people died coming across the Atlantic? They didnt exactly take a bus ride across the forest and then take a cruise ship across
34 OA260 : They deny it happened . Thats worse IMHO . If present day Turkey deny something happened then they are responsible for telling lies . Same way that t
35 LAXspotter : That I do not agree with, and if there is no acknowledgement its a slap on the face.
36 Post contains links OA260 : Heres a link to something I think you will find interesting !!! My Great Grandfather was one of these Indians that were shipped from India to Guyana
37 ME AVN FAN : They have their own "version" about this. And instead of stating that such things lead to the end of the Ottoman Empire and were bad, they in the Tur
38 Post contains images Falcon84 : That is absolutely classic! What miscues? Please, enlighten us. If there are any, put them out here, I ask you. You think dropping me from your RU li
39 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : you at least ought to be SCARED by such a threat !
40 Post contains images OA260 : Shaking here already with fear LOL.....I dont even look at my RU list , Who cares..... Its like at school when you had your best friends who you woul
41 BN747 : BN747 is upset??? Dude, you have completely lost what's left of what once a 'deep thinking' mind... there's no way in hell I'm going get up set about
42 Post contains images Cfalk : Interesting how someone who claims to be progressive (i.e. liberal, respectful of diversity etc etc), cannot bring himself to respect someone he does
43 Falcon84 : Fine, you're not upset, but telling me "well, you're changing so I can't have you on my RU list anymore", doesn't impress anyone on here, especially
44 Post contains images Cfalk : Hey, did you just call me a liberal? I DEMAND an apology!
45 767Lover : So you immediately decide you can no longer tolerate a person who has changing views? If you respect a person enough to have him on your BFF--I mean,
46 Post contains links 767Lover : I wonder how the people who said that they "can't be proud of something they had nothing to do with" in this thread Are You Proud Of Your Country? (by
47 BN747 : Well jeez, for you to drivel on and on about it two separate posts... it must mean something. Good lord dude...let it roll. Precisely, a young person
48 Post contains images LAXspotter : I pray that there arent too many of them
49 Falcon84 : Then you're an abject hypocrite. You claim to be progressive-which means ,in part, being tolerant of others in views, culture, etc. But you're obviou
50 Post contains images Cfalk : As they say, "If you are young and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are old and not conservative, you have no brains."
51 Post contains images Falcon84 : I still plan to keep a great deal of the "heart" part for as long as I live, Charles. And I'm NOT giving you an apology, because you do seem a bit mo
52 ME AVN FAN : You may be conservative, but if the age-bracket in your profile is halfway correct, still fairly young !
53 767Lover : Wow. You are really more closed minded, extremist and arrogant than I thought. It seems that you are taking an "us against them" stance. As for this
54 767Lover : Actually now that I think about it, a good place to start would be to issue an apology from the American film and television industry for perpetuatin
55 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : "Liberals" from the "Liberal-Democratic Party" here in Zurich are arch-conservative !
56 BN747 : Being progressive doesn't mean being tolerate of 'EVERYTHING". The line is certainly drawn at stupidity (not aimed at you ..so don't get bent)...me p
57 Falcon84 : To the contrary, I think, in many ways. They have become more sure of their views, accumulated over a lifetime, and simply want to keep the world the
58 Post contains images Cfalk : BN, you really shouldn't hate youself so much
59 BN747 : AKA..you/they are frightened of change...simply put. And change is a very scary thing. I'm pretty certain I won't be affected by it like you have. AK
60 Cfalk : But change for the worse is not a good thing. You put motor oil in your engine, right? Well, how about, for the sake of change and in order to use a
61 Post contains links 767Lover : I guess neither does NPR, The New York Times, NAACP. and the local actors I associate with in ATL who talk frequently about industry issues. It's not
62 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : The logic YOU come up with in some of your posts never ceases to amaze me. Bad example. There are still people alive in China today who suffered unde
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