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Is America Ready For A Potus Of Color?  
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1812 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
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I am shining a light on a what i think is a white elephant in this campaign: Barrack Obama is the first non-white serious presidential contender. The media focusses on his lack of experience and his meteoric rise to power, having taken over Carol Mosely Braun's seat in the senate, but the one question i haven't heard them asking is whether America is ready for a president of color.

My answer is, I'm not sure. I do think, however that having a man of color as well as a woman as serious contenders for the presidency is a major step for america. after 200 plus years of white males in office, maybe Hillary or Obama getting elected will be a good thing, and at the very least, the fact that they're running, even if neither of them win, will open the door for more people from diverse backgrounds to consider running for the highest office in the land, because the perception that the presidency is only the domain of WASP males will change. Hillary and Obama are breaking major ground and for that i applaud them both.

What I'm more nervous about than the primaries are the general elections, could Obama beat the likes of McCain or Romney? I'm not sure. As much as the liberal media would like us to believe that America will rush to the polls to vote for Obama, I think, frankly, outside of California, and possibly the northeast, i'm not sure, when middle america has to choose between Obama and say McCain, who they'll go for, change? or comfort? It'll remain to be seen, IMO.

What's your thought?


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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2199 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
My answer is, I'm not sure. I do think, however that having a man of color as well as a woman as serious contenders for the presidency is a major step for america.

It is a HUGE step for the US, if the question keeps popping up over and over again if the country is ready for a woman or a "black" president; all this in the year 2008!

Americans should start looking for competence instead of looking at the candidate's skin colour or sex. For Christ's sake, this is your chance for setting an example America, do not f*ck it up!

By the by, with Obama having a black father and a white mother, in the US, when is a person considered "coloured" and when "white"?


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2186 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Is America Ready For A Potus Of Color?

No, there are still too many raciest slithering around for that to happen. It is sad that so many peoples sole opinions of people in this country are based on race but that just seems to be the way it is. It is amazing and sicking how many times someone will tell me a racist joke or comment in a negative way to me about black people just because I am white.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 1):
By the by, with Obama having a black father and a white mother, in the US, when is a person considered "coloured" and when "white"?

It depends on who you ask. If you ask me no one is of any pure race.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
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Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
What's your thought?

I don't think so. Because the one serious candidate is virtually a new-comer. I don't think it has to be an "are we ready" question, but more of "are we ready to pick the right one". It's only been recently that Obama has come into the national politics. He's a senator(which shows's he has zero executive experiance), he's got very little in the way of a voting record, he seems like his mind is wandering half the time with these blank stares he has on his face. We are ready for a African American, but I don't think he's the one, not yet. I think, if he was a governor, he might stand a better chance. I think the press has built Hillary and Obama up way too much. I think they'll lose with either one of them. If either of them are given the nomination, I think we'll see another Republican Administration.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2169 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
blank stares

blank stares ? I do not see blank stares of him.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2145 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
blank stares ? I do not see blank stares of him.

I agree.
There are no blank stares. This is the first I've read of this and the pundits will always find an excuse regardless. I am sure if Obama were a governor, the media would come up with a different excuse.
Sounds like a convenient, cop-out excuse more than anything.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
having taken over Carol Mosely Braun's seat in the senate

Actually it was Peter Fitzgerald's seat before Obama was elected. How far do you want to trace the Senate seat back?



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):
No, there are still too many raciest slithering around for that to happen. It is sad that so many peoples sole opinions of people in this country are based on race but that just seems to be the way it is.

There are people like that but they are the vast minority. Most people really don't care about color, they care more about the person's character and what they can do.

Voters have been voting people of color into mayoral, governor and congressional leadership for decades now.


Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
It's only been recently that Obama has come into the national politics. He's a senator(which shows's he has zero executive experiance), he's got very little in the way of a voting record,

That is the issue. However, there are people who ignore this and only believe that if he loses, it will be due to race.


User currently offlineCorocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Is America ready, I don't know.

I personally would not have a problem with a woman or a minority as president as long as they did not spend all their time on those kind of issues. For example, if Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson were elected president, I would see their entire domestic agenda spent on black issues. Probably try to pass legislation to make it illegal to be a white male! (just joking).

As long as they kept their eye on what was important for everybody, then I just want the person who is most experienced and best for the job. In this case, I am not sure that Obama is the right person.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

I personally think that it's a good thing to still have Hilary and Obama in the race debating, fighting, jousting, whatever you want to call it. I like them both, but I would like to see them continue their debate before I fully support one or the other. In either event I would vote for either one of them if they are the candidates. My worry with Obama is he just isn't experienced enough. He may be the smartest man alive but Washington is a slimy place. Let's face it, Hilary has been smeared for 2 decades now and knows the ins & outs of the process. Obama hasn't been fully exposed to the media and national press corps yet.

When did we find out about G. W. Bush's DUI? 3 weeks before the election? When did we find out about Whitewater and Gennifer Flowers? After the election??? I don't want Obama to be picked and then have the Republican's find dirt on him come Sept or Oct and lose the general election.

Let's let Super Tuesday decide which our nominee is going to be. The real election is still 10 months away, which is an eternity in election cycles! Let's make sure the right man or woman is picked to win. I like Hilary, I think she's a strong, courageous, tough woman. I think Obama is smart and very motivational.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5575 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2032 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Barrack Obama is the first non-white serious presidential contender

I think it would be a very positive move to see a non-white male or a female as president of the United States. Why is it considered such a no-no anyway? Britain used to have the same debate about there ever being a female prime minister up to 1979, and Mrs Thatcher was not taken seriously when she was elected. That soon changed!

I'd find someone such as Mike Huckabbee as president of the most powerful country in the world a MUCH more disturbing prospect, given his fundamentalist views.


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I am just throwing it out there, but if Obama were to be elected president, does this mean the African American community can no longer say "The White Man is keeping us down"??

I think this could mean the race card has a whole new face if we were to have a black president.

Just curious to hear what people think.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1957 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 15):
I think this could mean the race card has a whole new face if we were to have a black president.

It's only one big step in a journey of a thousand miles.

Only when race is no issue whatsoever in a Presidential election will racism towards our elected candidates truly disappear. When people say Barak Obama is running for President and when someone else asks "Who is that", the reply is "Oh, he's the Senator from Illinois, former Harvard legal guy running". Not, "Oh, he's the black guy running for President". Currently we don't say when asked who Joe Biden is, "Oh he's the old white guy running for President".


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting 767Lover (Reply 6):
e people like that but they are the vast minority. Most people really don't care about color, they care more about the person's character and what they can do.

On second thought I agree with you. I guess I live in a particular racist part of the country. I do hope you are right.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5967 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1946 times:
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Quoting EvilForce (Reply 17):
"Oh he's the old white guy running for President".

Nobody would say that because he isn't the only "old white guy" running for president. Obama is the only black candidate so saying he is the black guy running for POTUS would be an accurate description.

If there was only one white candidate people would say "the white guy".



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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:



Quoting EvilForce (Reply 17):
Only when race is no issue whatsoever in a Presidential election will racism towards our elected candidates truly disappear. When people say Barak Obama is running for President and when someone else asks "Who is that", the reply is "Oh, he's the Senator from Illinois, former Harvard legal guy running". Not, "Oh, he's the black guy running for President". Currently we don't say when asked who Joe Biden is, "Oh he's the old white guy running for President".

Right....but if you listen and watch enough of the news you will see that they constantly and I mean constantly mention that Hillary is the only lady running but the Barack is Black thing isn't as prevelant as we think.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Nobody would say that because he isn't the only "old white guy" running for president. Obama is the only black candidate so saying he is the black guy running for POTUS would be an accurate description.

If there was only one white candidate people would say "the white guy".

Exactly.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Nobody would say that because he isn't the only "old white guy" running for president. Obama is the only black candidate so saying he is the black guy running for POTUS would be an accurate description.

If there was only one white candidate people would say "the white guy".

The reason why the premise of the original post is...well...preposterous is because it's never been put to a vote. Is America ready for Mario Cuomo to be president? It's a nonsequitur-the American people simply have not, as yet, had the choice to vote for or against a black or a woman president.

However.....what the Iowa caucuses did was say to America "Yes. People in a predominantly white state will vote for a black man for high office." One of them was myself. What the New Hampster primary says is "Yes. People will turn out and vote for a woman for high office even if she's a carpetbagger and a scalawag who didn't give a rats ass when bill was down strewing his mess among the slave cabins of the law students and don't fret about the occasional suicide because she knew he was a ticket out of dreary midwest-southern Arkansas and a teaching slot at a second rate law school."

Let's hope she vanishes faster than billing records at the Rose Law Firm.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am shining a light on a what i think is a white elephant in this campaign: Barrack Obama is the first non-white serious presidential contender. The media focusses on his lack of experience and his meteoric rise to power, having taken over Carol Mosely Braun's seat in the senate, but the one question i haven't heard them asking is whether America is ready for a president of color.

Now...having said all that....if Barack Obama is elected prez, he won't be the first black president, if the rumors are to be believed. For fifty cents and a beer in Des Moines, who was?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1925 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I am shining a light on a what i think is a white elephant in this campaign:

I hope that pun was not intended.  rotfl 

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
I don't think so.

Of course you're not. Never mind the fact that white males have fucked up this government for the last 30 years.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
I don't think it has to be an "are we ready" question, but more of "are we ready to pick the right one".

Translation: unless they're conservativers, or not named "Clinton", then I'M not ready.

Move over JetJack, but the future is staring you in the face, and I hope you're uncomfortable as hell with the fact that the chances are that we will have either a black president or a woman named "Clinton" is better than 50/50.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1920 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Is America Ready For A Potus Of Color?

Leno mentioned this Monday night and asked: Is Obama suddenly going to say "No, we are not" and stop campaigning? I doubt it. Pointless question, IMO.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1910 times:

Should Obama get the nod from the Democrats, I would hope that Americans will look beyond race, quite frankly there is no Republican out there running for President that has made me excited about his campaign and his vision for the future of America.

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1892 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21):
For fifty cents and a beer in Des Moines, who was?

Clinton Honored As 'First Black President' at Black Caucus Dinner

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...n/archive/200110/NAT20011001e.html


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1888 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Nobody would say that because he isn't the only "old white guy" running for president. Obama is the only black candidate so saying he is the black guy running for POTUS would be an accurate description.

If there was only one white candidate people would say "the white guy".

Actually I don't think that's true at all. In situations dominated by blacks, say a starting line up for a basketball game or a running back for football you don't say "Oh Joe Smith, you know, the white guy". Race really doesn't play into it at all. They are viewed as equally talented. One would say, "You know Joe Smith, the kid from North Carolina that scored the winning shot in the finals back in ______". Or "You know Joe Smith, Ron Smith's kid from the Boston Celtics". You describe the person by things other than the color of their skin. We don't say "You know Joe Smith, the Catholic kid" do we? Religion has no bearing on how well someone plays basketball, so we don't use those terms to describe them.

So until we reach the time that race doesn't help describe someone's abilities or define them, racism in America truly isn't gone.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1882 times:

I think a minority president is a huge step, not just for the US but for the Western World.

Fact is, while few women have been leaders of their respective countries, there have been even fewer persons of colour in office. For instance, of the countries who have or have had women leaders, how many have had minority leaders?

Canada? Nope.

Germany? Nope.

UK? Nope

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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1875 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 27):
Fact is, while few women have been leaders of their respective countries, there have been even fewer persons of colour in office. For instance, of the countries who have or have had women leaders, how many have had minority leaders?

Canada? Nope.

Germany? Nope.

UK? Nope

Depends, really. Benjamin Disraeli was British Prime Minister more than 130 years ago.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13046 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Maggie was not taken seriously by some, usually in her own party at first, after becoming Tory leader in 1975.
But, recently released papers showed by 1977, the Labour government took this female opposition leader very seriously.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5967 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I am sure if Obama were a governor, the media would come up with a different excuse.

You got that right. If he were a governor they would still complain. Remember back in ' 92 people complained that Bill Clinton was not a good choice because he was a governor of a "small state". Depending on your opinion, ole' Bill did an ok job.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 18):
I would hope that Americans will look beyond race

I think they will.

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 20):
You know Joe Smith, the Catholic kid" do we? Religion has no bearing on how well someone plays basketball, so we don't use those terms to describe them.

You can't tell somebody is Catholic by looking at him. You easily can see a person's skin color, height, weight, hair color, etc. I used to work with a guy who was covered in tattoos. He was a great tech. Customers would ask for him all the time. They couldn't remember his name, but they would ask for the guy with all the tattoos. They never came in and asked for the 6 foot 200lbs tech who wears the the blue shirt. That could have been anyone in that shop.

The color of a person's skin used in a description is no big deal. Many times I have been situations where I was the only white guy in the room and I was refereed to as the white guy by people who didn't know me. Recently here in Detroit the news will not mention skin color when describing people that are wanted. Why not? It helps identify a person. There was an Amber Alert not long ago and the little girl missing was described on the radio as a three year old girl of such a height and weight with black hair and brown eyes. It wasn't until I saw the TV news that I saw the little girl was black. In a situation where a person is wanted you want to describe the person as much as possible as to rule out other people. In that situation by knowing the girl was black the average person could have ruled out any white or Asian girls.



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25 LAXspotter : Hah, you would think so, this so called "example" to the rest of the world having leaders of different ethnicities and religions. If I need an exampl
26 KFLLCFII : For one, less religious guidance on policy. (some). A firmer stance on illegal immigration than the current administration. (some). Less "Washington"
27 EWRCabincrew : Was America ready when we elected a Catholic president? Kennedy was. America did fine. Does color really matter? IMHO, no. What should matter is the a
28 ME AVN FAN : Switzerland's Federal Council now has three women and four man. And in the past, in the office of the Federal President (one of the councillers and a
29 RFields5421 : Is the US ready - Yes Are the masses of voters ready - No If Obama or Hillary does get the nomination - I will vote for them just for the principle -
30 LTU932 : That's difficult to say. Yes, America should be ready for a POTUS of colour or a female POTUS, but whether ideological differences and whatever racis
31 Post contains images Dc9northwest : I'd rather have Obama with his faults multiplied by ten than Hillary. Race has nothing to do with this in my mind... And yes, I think America is "read
32 Post contains images Kay : Is America ready to refer to its president as a Potus? Kay
33 SKYSERVICE_330 : If you mean visible minority then you are correct. However, you could consider any French-Canadian PM a member of a minority. Splitting hair perhaps,
34 Mandala499 : So, is America sexist or racist? We'll find out soon enough, at least we'll find out if the democrats are racist or sexist! *grin* The ultime HRD nigh
35 Post contains images Falstaff : I agree. I think that he will have a more difficult time overcoming his name than anything else. I taught at a nearly all black high school and I nev
36 Post contains images LAXspotter : look at Lebanon, look at India, look at Pakistan, they've all had some kind of "minority" leader LOL and to think a Muslim nation such as Indonesia h
37 LTU932 : That is true, on paper. In practice, it's a whole different game. Until they aren't overcome, the factor of sexism and even racism will in some way a
38 Post contains links Diamond : There is already an active thread on the subject of Obama's viability in winning the national election. I'll lock this thread instead of deleting it.
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