Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Which Religions Do You Think Are Sects?  
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

I've hear many people think that Baptists, Adventist and Pentacostals are considered to be sects. What is your opinion on this? By ''religion law'' any church which is unrecognized is considered to be sects. I think that Yehova's witnesses are sects.

34 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

No difference to me. If it's an organization that brainwashes its members with superstitious nonsense and makes money out of it, it's a religion. If it has usurped political power and/or promoted wars, genocide and destroying other cultures any time in its history, then it's a great religion. "Sect" is to me nothing more than an inter-religion insult. You're trying to grab my slice of the brainwashing market? You're a sect!

 twocents 


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1631 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
What is your opinion on this?

All of them.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1616 times:



Quoting Lobster (Reply 2):
All of them.

Beat me to it. Big grin



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1610 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
I think that Yehova's witnesses are sects.

Are you thinking of the word cult instead of sect?


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Who wants to bet on how long this thread will last before getting locked and 10% of the posters banned?  Smile  duck 

User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1587 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 1):
and makes money out of it,

Where I go to church, no money is ever collected or made in any way. Does that make my Christianity not part of a religion?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1580 times:



Quoting EvilForce (Reply 4):
Are you thinking of the word cult instead of sect?

Uh yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.

A sect is a subdivision of a particular religious group.

A cult is a wacky, often times oppressive or violent minor religion.

I've never heard a negative connotation to the word "sect" while "cult" almost always has one.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Jeovah's witnesses, Scientology, Moonies (these are dangerous) and a few others I guess.

Quoting AlexEU (Thread starter):
I've hear many people think that Baptists, Adventist and Pentacostals are considered to be sects.




There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1567 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 6):
Where I go to church, no money is ever collected or made in any way. Does that make my Christianity not part of a religion?

Of course your church makes money. Donations, investments, tax brakes, you name it - they don't necessarily need to take money out of your pocket every Sunday. I imagine it's not God who's paying their bills and salaries...

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Who wants to bet on how long this thread will last before getting locked and 10% of the posters banned?

I can smell the burnt toast already Big grin


User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Which one? All of them.


"I'm beginning to get the hang of this flying business" - C3PO
User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1546 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Jeovah's witnesses, Scientology, Moonies (these are dangerous) and a few others I guess.

There are some dangerous indeed. There is some sort of snake church in USA. That is a cult, but those already mentioned (in my 1st post) are actually not cults.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

By definition, all religions are cults and sects.


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1529 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 11):
There are some dangerous indeed. There is some sort of snake church in USA. That is a cult, but those already mentioned (in my 1st post) are actually not cults.

That's what I was trying to understand. Some call Mormons and the JWs cults here in America, so I wasn't sure if there was a language issue or not.

Of course that brings up the question of what makes a cult a cult. And what makes one a religion be it mainstream or otherwise?

The dictionary say:


Main Entry:
cult Listen to the pronunciation of cult
Pronunciation:
ˈkəlt
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date:
1617

1: formal religious veneration : worship2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator 5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

That's a pretty large spread in defining what a cult is / isn't IMHO.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Sects could be seen as narrow subdivisions of followers of mainline faith groups often with their own leadership and distinctive daily life practices. In some cases sects might border on being cults, but to me there is a difference between the designations.
Some examples of sects could be the various Hassidic groups of the Jewish faith and the 'Pennsylvania Dutch' which are part of the Mennonite faith groups. They do interact in the general society although they tend on a daily basis to be together in common communities, neighborhoods.
Cults often involve small groups, usually under a strong leader, personality driven devotion to a leader or their interpretation of faith rather than a more general devotion, very narrow and to the general society very unusual beliefs, distinctive and often demanding ceremonies and lifestyles, often tend to gather or live in isolation of general society and other factors.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1490 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 9):
Of course your church makes money. Donations, investments, tax brakes, you name it - they don't necessarily need to take money out of your pocket every Sunday. I imagine it's not God who's paying their bills and salaries...

Incorrect. We meet in a house. There are 15 of us. It's the same as if you met with friends to play cards. There aren't donations. You're completely and 100% wrong. Sorry. Your understanding of religions has been painted with a broad brush, it seems.


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1478 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 15):
We meet in a house. There are 15 of us.

Then you don't fall under my definition of "church". More like a private, closed (family?) cult.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 15):
Your understanding of religions has been painted with a broad brush, it seems.

On the contrary, I've studied most world religions for years. I took Biblical translation at college. I've lived with ultra-religious people. I have many, many reasons to despise religion, and the more I know about it, the more I loathe it.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1470 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
Then you don't fall under my definition of "church". More like a private, closed (family?) cult.

Actually, a lot of these ''churches'' don't have a church building. JW for example don't have church.

In a lot of US movies you can see a building with a lot of people dancing and praying out loud ! We don't have that in Europe, but it is alive in Africa.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1457 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
Then you don't fall under my definition of "church". More like a private, closed (family?) cult.

The "church" is the people. Not the building. And saying that it is a "family cult" is ignorant, incorrect, and unintelligent. It is, on the contrary, composed of people that want to study the Bible and not be brainwashed by some reverend. But I guess that, to you, if you aren't part of a "sect" that gets brainwashed, you're part of a "cult."

You need to take sociology and learn what those terms mean. A cult is characterized by restricting access to information to it's followers. The church I am a part of (Your definition disregarded.) has people that come and go as they please. There is NO leader. It's simple Bible-study, such as existed in the early-church.

I'm sorry you despise religion, but you obviously don't know about all of it.

Please, though, tell me now if I am a part of a cult. Tell me that my church makes money. You're so very wrong.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1452 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
The "church" is the people. Not the building.

 checkmark 

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
You need to take sociology and learn what those terms mean.

Or at least open a dictionary.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1450 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
The "church" is the people. Not the building.

I didn't mean the building, obviously.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
It is, on the contrary, composed of people that want to study the Bible

So it's simply a Bible study group, isn't it?

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
But I guess that, to you, if you aren't part of a "sect" that gets brainwashed, you're part of a "cult."

Where have I said that?

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
You need to take sociology

Five years, passed with honors...

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
A cult is characterized by restricting access to information to it's followers.

One of many possible definitions. Sociology is not an exact science with precise vocabulary. Cf. "country", "language", "living standards", etc., etc.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
The church I am a part of (Your definition disregarded.) has people that come and go as they please.

You say that as if it were something to be particularly proud of...

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
There is NO leader. It's simple Bible-study, such as existed in the early-church.

So again, it's a Bible study group, one of thousands that exist in the US. Hardly a church.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
Please, though, tell me now if I am a part of a cult.

I won't, see above.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 18):
Tell me that my church makes money.

Your Bible study group, you mean...


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

Quoting Toast (Reply 20):

Or church. You're looking for a negative aspect, as I assume you do with most religions.

And the great thing about my church (That's what it is.) is that people can come and go, but most love it and choose to stay.

I don't like megachurches, and you don't like religion at all.

Quoting Toast (Reply 20):
Hardly a church.

Certainly a church.

Quoting Toast (Reply 20):
Five years, passed with honors..

Then use the knowledge. For good, not evil.

EDIT: And no wonder you're using such a broad brush...5 years of soc...and what's that saying sociologists loved? "It's hard to paint a sharp picture of a fuzzy object."

[Edited 2008-01-09 12:47:40]

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1432 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Who wants to bet on how long this thread will last before getting locked and 10% of the posters banned? Smile duck

Its getting there.....  Smile


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1421 times:



Quoting Halcyon (Reply 21):
Certainly a church.

OK, I have no problem at all if you call it a church. I get shit for calling the EU a country. A matter of opinion entirely.  Smile

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 21):
use the knowledge. For good, not evil.

I'm good.  Smile

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 21):
no wonder you're using such a broad brush...5 years of soc...

I'm offended! You've just insulted the Church of Sociology!  duck 

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 22):
Its getting there.....

Yes it is, I'm posting like mad before it hits me  Smile


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1421 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 22):

Not yet, you moron.

Just kidding.  Big grin

Sorry, I'm being an idiot as usual, and I know it. Off to classes now anyway.


25 Post contains images AlexEU : inbound from me ! Back to topic: Many of mentioned religions are very popular in USA, I can't belive that only few people reacted... Halcyon, what re
26 TheCol : Most churches in North America barely stay out of the red. Mega churches tend to do well, though they are a minority. Oh, and most churches have budg
27 Post contains images Toast : Hey, no hard feelings People of little faith... They won't even risk a ban for their god anymore... Yeah, that's what I tell the IRS, too.
28 Post contains images Halcyon : I concur. I get crap for calling Canada America Junior. Kidding of course! Are you the Pope of said Church? If so, I kiss your ring and beg forgivene
29 Zippyjet : Scientology! Just look at Tom the Loon Cruise. What did Katey see in him besides $$$?
30 LAXspotter : I think the correct question is what is the difference between a Cult and Religion, and some people may see no difference. Sects are division within R
31 AlexEU : Nop. You can't really say that e.g. Catholics or Orthodox or Sunni etc. are sects. Sects are branches of church which are not recognized.
32 LAXspotter : not the way I've read it for the last 19 yrs in books and on TV.
33 Jush : Scientology and these Witnesses of jehova. Sects for sure. Should be banned as well. I don't know more but I guess in the US there are quite a lot as
34 EvilForce : Banning a religion never has really worked. In fact banning anything usually makes the thing you are trying to ban more appealing, whether that's a bo
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Which Do You Think Is More Important: Liberty... posted Mon Jan 9 2006 15:00:28 by AerospaceFan
What Do You Think A.net Members Personalities Are? posted Tue Sep 23 2003 04:23:39 by Ual747
Do You Think Americans Are Friendly People? posted Tue Sep 23 2003 01:03:25 by Radarbeam
How Do You Think You Are Going To Die? posted Sun Aug 18 2002 03:18:54 by EGGD
What Do You Think Of This Laptop? posted Tue Dec 11 2007 10:08:30 by Kay
What Do You Think Of Lil' Kim? posted Tue Dec 4 2007 13:40:35 by ConcordeBoy
New Mini Clubman: What Do You Think posted Sat Nov 24 2007 19:45:38 by Falcon84
What Do You Think About Freemasons? posted Wed Nov 21 2007 11:57:45 by LAXspotter
Amish - What Do You Think Of Them posted Tue Nov 20 2007 08:56:45 by AlexEU
Who Do You Think Is The Best Guitarist? posted Mon Nov 19 2007 02:48:14 by Cumulus