AlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1793 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1420 times:
I've hear many people think that Baptists, Adventist and Pentacostals are considered to be sects. What is your opinion on this? By ''religion law'' any church which is unrecognized is considered to be sects. I think that Yehova's witnesses are sects.
Toast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:
No difference to me. If it's an organization that brainwashes its members with superstitious nonsense and makes money out of it, it's a religion. If it has usurped political power and/or promoted wars, genocide and destroying other cultures any time in its history, then it's a great religion. "Sect" is to me nothing more than an inter-religion insult. You're trying to grab my slice of the brainwashing market? You're a sect!
Toast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
Quoting Halcyon (Reply 6): Where I go to church, no money is ever collected or made in any way. Does that make my Christianity not part of a religion?
Of course your church makes money. Donations, investments, tax brakes, you name it - they don't necessarily need to take money out of your pocket every Sunday. I imagine it's not God who's paying their bills and salaries...
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5): Who wants to bet on how long this thread will last before getting locked and 10% of the posters banned?
EvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
Quoting AlexEU (Reply 11): There are some dangerous indeed. There is some sort of snake church in USA. That is a cult, but those already mentioned (in my 1st post) are actually not cults.
That's what I was trying to understand. Some call Mormons and the JWs cults here in America, so I wasn't sure if there was a language issue or not.
Of course that brings up the question of what makes a cult a cult. And what makes one a religion be it mainstream or otherwise?
The dictionary say:
cult Listen to the pronunciation of cult
French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate â€” more at wheel
1: formal religious veneration : worship2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator 5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
That's a pretty large spread in defining what a cult is / isn't IMHO.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12677 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1281 times:
Sects could be seen as narrow subdivisions of followers of mainline faith groups often with their own leadership and distinctive daily life practices. In some cases sects might border on being cults, but to me there is a difference between the designations.
Some examples of sects could be the various Hassidic groups of the Jewish faith and the 'Pennsylvania Dutch' which are part of the Mennonite faith groups. They do interact in the general society although they tend on a daily basis to be together in common communities, neighborhoods.
Cults often involve small groups, usually under a strong leader, personality driven devotion to a leader or their interpretation of faith rather than a more general devotion, very narrow and to the general society very unusual beliefs, distinctive and often demanding ceremonies and lifestyles, often tend to gather or live in isolation of general society and other factors.
Halcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
Quoting Toast (Reply 9): Of course your church makes money. Donations, investments, tax brakes, you name it - they don't necessarily need to take money out of your pocket every Sunday. I imagine it's not God who's paying their bills and salaries...
Incorrect. We meet in a house. There are 15 of us. It's the same as if you met with friends to play cards. There aren't donations. You're completely and 100% wrong. Sorry. Your understanding of religions has been painted with a broad brush, it seems.
Then you don't fall under my definition of "church". More like a private, closed (family?) cult.
Quoting Halcyon (Reply 15): Your understanding of religions has been painted with a broad brush, it seems.
On the contrary, I've studied most world religions for years. I took Biblical translation at college. I've lived with ultra-religious people. I have many, many reasons to despise religion, and the more I know about it, the more I loathe it.
Halcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1227 times:
Quoting Toast (Reply 16): Then you don't fall under my definition of "church". More like a private, closed (family?) cult.
The "church" is the people. Not the building. And saying that it is a "family cult" is ignorant, incorrect, and unintelligent. It is, on the contrary, composed of people that want to study the Bible and not be brainwashed by some reverend. But I guess that, to you, if you aren't part of a "sect" that gets brainwashed, you're part of a "cult."
You need to take sociology and learn what those terms mean. A cult is characterized by restricting access to information to it's followers. The church I am a part of (Your definition disregarded.) has people that come and go as they please. There is NO leader. It's simple Bible-study, such as existed in the early-church.
I'm sorry you despise religion, but you obviously don't know about all of it.
Please, though, tell me now if I am a part of a cult. Tell me that my church makes money. You're so very wrong.