EmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 265 times:
OK, OK I will confess I was rather surprised, indeed intrigued when many people reacted the way they did about the story of the Palestinian ship which was captured and was found to be full of arms.After all, any people living under a brutal military occupation which is anyhow absolutely illegal from the point of view of International law and UN resolutions would have done the same thing sooner or later.What I never realized is that the best counterargument to the views of those who used this sad story to further vilify the Palestinians
would actually come from....and Israeli.Thats right, the Israeli peace activist David Grossman from the excellent Israeli newspaper Ha`aretz.Here goes......
Palestinian Arms Ship
What Had to Be Proved
by David Grossman
The seizure of the Palestinian arms ship brings great relief because the terrible weaponry will not be aimed at Israelis, as well as a sense of gratitude toward the soldiers who participated in the mission. However, in the voices of spokesmen for the Israel Defense Forces, the government and the media there was also an unconcealed note of joy that at long last "final proof" has been found of the Palestinians criminal, terrible intentions.
Ostensibly, it has become clear beyond a shadow of doubt that "the Palestinian Authority is infested with terror from head to toe," as Chief of Staff Shaul Mofaz said at the press conference that seemed to be an attempt to bring back for a moment the glory of the heroic 1950s, if not of Entebbe itself.
But what proof has been obtained here? Proof that if you oppress a people for 35 years, and humiliate its leaders, and harass its population, and do not give them a glimmer of hope, the members of this people will try to assert themselves in any way possible? And would any of us behave differently from the Palestinians in such a situation? And did we behave any differently when for years we were under occupation and tyranny?
Avshalom Feinberg and Yosef Lishansky set out for Cairo to bring money from there to the Nili underground so that the Jewish community in Palestine could assert itself against the Turks. The fighters of the Haganah, the Lehi and the Etzel underground movements collected and hid as many weapons as they could, and their splendid sliks (arms caches) are to this day a symbol of the fight for survival and the longing for liberty, as were the daring weapons acquisition missions during the British Mandate (which were defined by the British as acts of terror).
When "we" did these things, they were not terrorist in nature. They were legitimate actions of a people fighting for its life and liberty. When the Palestinians do them, they become "proof" of everything we have been so keen to prove for years now.
It was embarrassing and irksome to hear the chief of staff scolding the Palestinians for "wasting their money on acquiring arms instead of seeing to their poor and hungry populace" - the words of a man whose soldiers - who follow the government's instructions - harass Palestinians morning, noon and night, impoverish them and starve them. No less embarrassing was the journalistic reporting of the seizure of the ship. The correspondents, excited by the heroism of our soldiers, unanimously adopted the self-righteous declarations of the chief of staff and the prime minister about the Palestinians and their murderousness and the terrorism that burns in their breasts like a second nature, almost.
Now come the days of celebration and rejoicing because "we told you so": We told you that the Palestinians do not keep agreements (while we of course stick to every agreement); we told you that they will do everything possible to acquire attack weapons (while we aim narcissus stems at the windows of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's window in Ramallah); we told you that there is no one to talk to and therefore we should keep tightening the noose around their necks (and in this way undoubtedly we will bring about a profound change in the "Palestinian character," so that they will agree to accept all our conditions); we told you that Arafat is in fact bin Laden (and we are disciples of the Dalai Lama).
In the attempt to smuggle in the arms by ship, the Palestinians seriously violated the agreements with them and the IDF must, of course, do all it can to prevent such escalation. Nevertheless, how can an entire people's sense of judgement be so dulled? How can we repeatedly ignore the big picture and the sharp sense that Israel, in its actions and in its failures to act, and especially in the malevolent behavior of its prime minister, keeps pushing the Palestinians to such actions so that time after time they will provide us with that "incontrovertible proof," in which there is in fact no real benefit to our interests?
These are disgusting days. Days of total befuddlement of the senses. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will wring every possible drop of propaganda out of this ship. The media, for the most part, will run panting after him. The Israeli street, too exhausted and apathetic to think, will adopt any definite conclusion that will solve for it the internal and moral contradiction in which it lives and reinforce its sense of righteousness, which has been undermined at its base.
Who has the strength these days to remember the beginning, the root of the matter, the circumstances, the fact that what we have here is occupation and oppression, reaction and counter-reaction, a vicious circle and a bloody circle, two peoples that are becoming corrupt, violent and crazy with despair, a death trap in which we are suffocating more with every passing day?
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 193 times:
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Those arms were meant to kill Israeli civilians-such a noble cause, I'm sure. You can scream all you want, EmriatesLover, terrorism doesn't gain the Palestinian cause any sympathy, except with the normal naive and gullible crowd that always yells about Israel on here. Let the PA truly disarm and decapitate the terrorists; let them fulfill the treaties that were agreed to; let them show that they will not tolerate the continued murder of Israeli citizens, and guess what? You'd find the Israeli's very ameniable to making a deal that would lead to a Palestinain nation.
Until then, don't try to justify weapons that were meant to terrorize a people as legitimate because some peacnik in Israel doesn't like the the policies of his country.
Leftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 193 times:
I agree with Alpha1. If the Palestinians wanted to defend themselves, why wouldn't they openly buy their arms? Why smuggle them? Israel doesn't smuggle F-16s in....
If terrorists stopped killing Isralis, how would Israel justify any military action in Palestine? The attacks just give them a reason to continue oppressing the Palestinian people.
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2698 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 186 times:
Why do you bother with any text in your posts ? Your opinions on anyone who is not Jewish are known to all. Just a blank post with your username should suffice to inform us of your presence.
Did you actually read the whole article ? How can you say propaganda ? Someone who actually lives the reality every day, unlike you or me, actually makes a plea for restraint from all sides and you call it propaganda ????