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Wesley Snipes On Trial For Tax Evasion  
User currently offlineMaidensgator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/business/14tax.html?ref=business

Wesley Snipes goes on trial today charged with criminal tax evasion. From 1999 through 2004 Snipes earned $38 million, but paid no taxes. His defense is that he is not actually required to pay taxes.

I had a client that was an employer of several thousand people, and periodically they'd hire somebody that demanded no taxes be withheld claiming the income tax is illegal. While this seems like a crackpot theory, it's amazing how many people honestly believe they're not required by law to pay income taxes. What do you think?


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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

I think it's amazing how so many of these celeb types making kajillions of dollars a year seem to think that they are exempt from the law.....not just tax laws.


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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

I don't understand. Why would you not pay taxes? It's not like you're not going to get caught. As a matter of fact, that's basically the only thing TO do to get caught....I think..


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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I think it is an excellent argument for a national sales tax. How much tax revenue would have been collected from his $38 million self in that scenario?

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13198 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

If he continues to persue this, he will face jail time and probably lose most of his assets. With the possible many millions in unpaid taxes involved, he will have to be made an example of if convicted and is upheld on appeal.
I wonder if he is playing a race card here in his refusal to pay taxes. If so, he will defentitly lose big time.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

I think Wesley Snipes is going to do time in federal prison.

He should have settled with the IRS rather than fight it in court.


User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting Maidensgator (Thread starter):
His defense is that he is not actually required to pay taxes.

Why??? Based on what?
Just because he was Passenger 57 ?

[Edited 2008-01-14 09:20:10]


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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Looking though some of the documentation / information - it looks like Snipes was a client of, or otherwise involved with one of these income tax return scam artists.

His amended 1997 return, filed in 2001, shows him claiming his 19 million dollar income is not taxable and the government owes him a full refund of the $7,360,755 taxes he had paid.

One claim of this tax preparer is that the federal government can only claim income tax if the income is from a foreign coporation.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 1):
I think it's amazing how so many of these celeb types making kajillions of dollars a year seem to think that they are exempt from the law.....not just tax laws.

It's quite rare to have a celebrity oppose tax laws in this radical format.

They usually do what Ronald Reagan did - work to change the tax laws or like many British celebs - move outside the country.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1979 times:



Quoting Maidensgator (Thread starter):
While this seems like a crackpot theory, it's amazing how many people honestly believe they're not required by law to pay income taxes. What do you think?



Quoting Maidensgator (Thread starter):
From 1999 through 2004 Snipes earned $38 million, but paid no taxes. His defense is that he is not actually required to pay taxes.

Snipes had a pretty well documented decline into some crazy thought that paying taxes is illegal. Looks like it finally caught up to him.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 1):
I think it's amazing how so many of these celeb types making kajillions of dollars a year seem to think that they are exempt from the law.....not just tax laws.

With Snipes, it is much more than that. He is part of some sort of anti-tax cult.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

I have faith in Mr. Snipes... I always bet on black.

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1966 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 5):
I think Wesley Snipes is going to do time in federal prison.

He should have settled with the IRS rather than fight it in court.

High profile catch for the IRS, can't imagine a jury finding him not guilty (i'm assuming its a jury trial and not a bench trial). As a high profile if convicted you can bet your last dime he will do some time. Wouldn't want to be the lead prosecutor should the IRS lose this case.

Anyways, I am alone but: I consider it my obligation to pay my FAIR share of taxes, to help support my government to provide services for the common good and defense.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
I wonder if he is playing a race card here in his refusal to pay taxes. If so, he will defentitly lose big time.

Snipes already tried the race card to get the trial moved to NY. He claimed that Ocala, Florida is a hotbed of KKK activity, etc.... The judge shot him down, as did the 11th Circuit when he appealed the ruling...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
Snipes had a pretty well documented decline into some crazy thought that paying taxes is illegal. Looks like it finally caught up to him

His tax advisor/co-defendant claims that since he was born in Texas, he's not a US citizen, because the only places that are part of the United States are the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. That guy is defending himself so it should get interesting. I may have to go watch some of this circus.

The latest news is that Wesley plans to call Muhammad Ali, Barbara Walters, Sylvester Stallone, Woody Harrelson, Spike Lee, and Tom Brokaw as witnesses. This is only going to get better....

http://www.wftv.com/news/15039666/detail.html

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
Anyways, I am alone but: I consider it my obligation to pay my FAIR share of taxes, to help support my government to provide services for the common good and defense.

I'm with you. I don't want to pay more than my share, but I always figure that having to pay means things are going well for me... That doesn't mean that I don't support gutting the tax code and starting over....

[Edited 2008-01-14 10:48:56]

[Edited 2008-01-14 10:49:29]


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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1949 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
The latest news is that Wesley plans to call Muhammad Ali, Barbara Walters, Sylvester Stallone, Woody Harrelson, Spike Lee, and Tom Brokaw as witnesses. This is only going to get better....

I can't wait to see what 'Saturday Night Live' does with this one!!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Count me in as someone who doesn't mind paying their fair share.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):

The latest news is that Wesley plans to call Muhammad Ali, Barbara Walters, Sylvester Stallone, Woody Harrelson, Spike Lee, and Tom Brokaw as witnesses. This is only going to get better....

Coo coo. Coo coo.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):

His tax advisor/co-defendant claims that since he was born in Texas, he's not a US citizen, because the only places that are part of the United States are the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. That guy is defending himself so it should get interesting. I may have to go watch some of this circus.

So hilarious. His "adviser" must be the head of the cult Snipes found himself in.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):

High profile catch for the IRS, can't imagine a jury finding him not guilty (i'm assuming its a jury trial and not a bench trial).

Well, at this point, I would actually believe an insanity defense  Wink



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1941 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
because the only places that are part of the United States are the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico

Does that mean President Bush is serving as President illegally?

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Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
His tax advisor/co-defendant claims that since he was born in Texas, he's not a US citizen,

So does this mean, the entire southwest still belongs to Mexico? If so I guess that closes the case on the Mexicans coming across the border illegally.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1934 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
His tax advisor/co-defendant claims that since he was born in Texas, he's not a US citizen,

So does this mean, the entire southwest still belongs to Mexico? If so I guess that closes the case on the Mexicans coming across the border illegally.

What would Mexican tax law say about it?  Wink

Jan


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1933 times:



Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 11):
His tax advisor/co-defendant claims that since he was born in Texas, he's not a US citizen

Is he one of those idiots who buys into that contemporary "Republic of Texas" bullshit. I thought the Republic of Texas died in 1845.



User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1918 times:



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 12):
I can't wait to see what 'Saturday Night Live' does with this one!!

Probably something not very funny......


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

It's quite possible that a member of this very forum feels the same way about taxes as Wesley.

(From the article linked in the original post)

Prosecutors also failed to convict a FedEx pilot, Vernice Kuglin of Memphis, who said she wrote the I.R.S. asking what law makes her liable for taxes, but got no response. She later signed papers conceding she owed more than $600,000 in taxes, and last week her goods, including her 14-year-old vehicle, were auctioned in Memphis. Ms. Kuglin said that despite the court filing, she continues to believe that she does not owe taxes.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1887 times:



Quoting Maidensgator (Thread starter):
What do you think?

Me thinks that Mr. Snipes is going to jail.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Count me in as someone who doesn't mind paying their fair share.

Just once I'd like a liberal to define and defend what a fair share is? I know that over 50% of my gross earnings go to the government in taxes yet people on this forum constantly say that the rich aren't paying their "fair share." I have a minority interest in my own economic output. Somebody please tell me how that is fair.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1878 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
I know that over 50% of my gross earnings go to the government in taxes

If you are earning over 336,550 a year, the top tax bracket, since you are married, you are paying 27-33% of your income in taxes to the feds. Since you live in Florida, you pay nothing to the state. Then it is 6.2% only only the first 94,200 for SSI and 7.65% on the first 97,500 and only 1.45% on anything over that. At this point, being in a higher tax bracket actually reduces percentage tax liability, which hurts your "fair share" argument.

I don't think that goes over 50% anyway.

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
I have a minority interest in my own economic output. Somebody please tell me how that is fair.

You are part of a 300 million person nation that has to support a government and the services it provides.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1873 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
Just once I'd like a liberal to define and defend what a fair share is? I know that over 50% of my gross earnings go to the government in taxes yet people on this forum constantly say that the rich aren't paying their "fair share." I have a minority interest in my own economic output. Somebody please tell me how that is fair.

Not to mention the fact that, as a business owner, you enable an untold number of people to be employed.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1841 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
I don't think that goes over 50% anyway.

My friend, at a minimum you forget about state sales taxes and property taxes. Furthermore until recently Florida imposed an intangible tax on the value (not the income) of stocks and mutual funds. In addition due to the phase out of itemized deductions over 80% of my deductions get eliminated. If I make a dollar and give it to charity, it actually costs me money. Finally, I can't take any of the tax credits that most other people can. Again, how's that fair?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
You are part of a 300 million person nation that has to support a government and the services it provides.

But why's it "fair" for me to pay more in taxes than you (the hypothetical you as I have no idea whether you pay more or less in taxes than I do)?

It seems to me that if liberals were really honest, they'd admit that the tax system is completely UNFAIR and base the argument for higher taxes on the notion that somebody has to pay for it so why not "the rich". But nobody has ever been able to ever present and defend a logical argument that a progressive tax system is "fair".


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1838 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 22):

My friend, at a minimum you forget about state sales taxes and property taxes

Sales and property taxes don't come from your gross income, they come from your net income. Further, sales taxes are a regressive, uniform system of taxation and property taxes are based on how much your property is worth, which really is your choice.

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):

But why's it "fair" for me to pay more in taxes than you

Why is it "fair" for me, a single person, to pay higher tax rates than you, a married person?

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):


It seems to me that if liberals were really honest, they'd admit that the tax system is completely UNFAIR and base the argument for higher taxes on the notion that somebody has to pay for it so why not "the rich".

The system isn't unfair because those who earn more can afford to pay more.

Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
But nobody has ever been able to ever present and defend a logical argument that a progressive tax system is "fair".

If that was true, we would have a non-progressive tax system. The problem is that there is no middle ground between a progressive and a regressive tax, so there is no fair tax system, using your logic. If you have a flat tax, such as most sales taxes, you end up having regressive taxation and placing the burden on those with lower incomes who are less likely to afford it. The only "fair" thing to do, in this case, is to do what will spread the burden in the most equitable way, which is to have progressive taxation.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1826 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
Again, how's that fair?

Own less? Make less income? Those are great ways to owe less in taxes. Worked for my parents. Becoming observers of the great rat race instead of being contestants made their lives a lot simplier ... and profitable.


25 Yellowstone : Here's one. There's a nearly universal concept in economics referred to as "diminishing marginal returns." Namely, each additional unit of something
26 767Lover : Interesting that you've had some responses justifying WHY you should pay higher taxes, but nobody has been able to answer your question about what a
27 Pope : I never said it was. Yet my gross (pre-tax) income is reduced by these taxes. Therefore, when I say over 50% of my gross income is taken from me by t
28 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Your dishes match your bedsheets? Love the CL600 Roadster a little too much? Well, someone has to referee the Great Rat Race. Lord knows what would h
29 Pope : You know squat about me. I live in the same house I bought 10 years ago when I was making 1/7 of what I'm making now. My car costs within $5,000 of w
30 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Pope, man.... Did you miss the and ? I was joking with you.
31 Halls120 : That question is one of the most frequently unanswered questions posed on Anet. I think it's kind of funny, actually. All this clamoring for a "faire
32 N1120A : It can, though that isn't the rule throughout. Further, even fewer states create an exemption for clothing, books, etc. I don't know what you specifi
33 CupraIbiza : Idiot - most people know the tax man is the last govt dept you piss off. Regardless of what country. Obvoiusly Wes doesnt know the Al Capone story ver
34 Pope : That's an incorrect statement. A charitable contribution is an itemized deduction. Itemized deductions are phased out when AGI exceeds a threshold. I
35 767Lover : Regressivity often plays into these types of discussions. Yet I argue that the current federal system could be considered regressive since there is no
36 Dougloid : An interesting story. It's going to turn out badly for Wesley Snipes, I fear. My own personal take on it is I like my meal ticket far too much to go m
37 BCAInfoSys : Not just the IRS. Fucking with the state is the same, if not worse. I am a consultant with state tax revenue agencies and let me tell you; they will
38 Post contains links N1120A : That is purely your opinion I disagree, and so does LegalZoom The IRS has a limit on giving, but even if your heart exceeds the IRS maximum, you may
39 767Lover : Doesn't matter. For starters, the fact that people in SF earn more doesn't really matter when it comes to taxable wages...a $500K earner there pays t
40 N1120A : The government can't control supply and demand for real estate in a market. That is up to the people buying it. It is not the government's fault peop
41 Yellowstone : I agree with you on both your points. With regard to the first one, yes, you may not see a diminishing return with every single dollar, but if you we
42 Dougloid : True dat. Particularly with taxes. Like I say, all I want the tax people to have reason to know about me is that I'm alive and that they get their cu
43 767Lover : You're the one who brought up the cost of buying real estate in this equation, as if it mattered in the discussion. I was simply talking about the fa
44 N1120A : It does matter. You are the one who brought up cost of living, and I pointed out that such cost of living really is a personal choice. In many ways,
45 Post contains links Pope : " target=_blank>http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-artic....html Well then both you and legal zoom would be wrong (yet again). Take a look at Internal Re
46 N1120A : I pay my taxes, so no. I have provided plenty. You just happen to disagree with them. Reduced by, not eliminated, but you left out 68(a)(1) and 68(a)
47 Pope : The Section 68 limitation does not carry over. Section 68(a)(1) and (a)(2) simply describe the 80% or 3% over threshold limits I described above. Bas
48 N1120A : Oh really? To which you responded: To which I responded: And to your saying "how would you know how much I (you) can afford" Exactly. 68(a)(1) and 68
49 767Lover : I'm still wondering what a "fair" rate of tax is. In specifics, not a generic "what you can afford" sort of statement.
50 Post contains links 767Lover : From cnn.money.com How far will my salary go in another city? Thinking about moving? See how much you should earn to maintain the same lifestyle. SAL
51 N1120A : I would love to know what they based that on, seeing that if you live and work in San Francisco, your need for a car goes to pretty much nil, which m
52 Pope : Given the demonstrated lack of understanding of the provisions of the Internal Revenue Code that's probably a good thing. If 80% of the deduction is
53 767Lover : The cost of driving my car averages out to be roughly $5 a day based on current gas prices, MPG and extra wear/tear/maintenance, and I rarely have to
54 Post contains links MaidensGator : To update the Snipes trial, an all white jury has been chosen. I'm going to have to go watch some of this... http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/storie
55 N1120A : And is that indicative of the average commute?
56 Halls120 : Your numbers are consistent with federal GS locality based comparability pay. In 2008, federal workers in Atlanta got a 17.0% locality pay rate, whil
57 AsstChiefMark : No. Average 20 mile commute for me is about $15 to $20 for me.
58 Halls120 : Per day? Wow, that's steep. Is that driving or public transportation?
59 AsstChiefMark : Driving. Fuel, depreciation, insurance, tires, oil, everything. Closer to $15, but someone with a newer car would pay $20 or more.
60 Halls120 : Hmm. I live 30 mile south of DC, and calculated my commute costs using one of the on-line calculators. Since I car pool, I get by on $10.00 per day.
61 AsstChiefMark : There you go. That's the difference.
62 Dougloid : Fellows and gals, this is the age of the internet. You do not have to be anyplace particular to do a lot of things.
63 767Lover : I don't understand why there is a trial in the first place. He is not claiming to have paid taxes, only that it is illegal for him to have to pay them
64 Michlis : It's called due process. It would set very bad precedent indeed if he were found guilty without the benefit of a trial, although this looks like it's
65 Post contains links MaidensGator : Wesley's trial is underway. The media attention has subsided; there were only two satellite trucks in the parking lot today. Snipes and his lawyers ar
66 N1120A : It wouldn't happen.
67 Dougloid : These guys have a line of logic that'd tie a garter snake up in knots. It all tracks back to whether or not the 16th amendment to the constitution wa
68 Garnetpalmetto : There are other statuory arguments that tax evaders use, as AirCop and AsstChiefMark allude to, one of which being that according to the way the tax
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