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Comments On Headlines: "Israel Attacks Gaza City"  
User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 14
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Israeli Airstrike Hits Gaza City
The Associated Press
Feb 11 2002 4:58PM

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel unleashed another airstrike on Palestinian offices in Gaza City on Monday, while the defense minister declared that Palestinian militants had raised the stakes in the Mideast conflict by firing new, longer-range rockets.
The Islamic movement Hamas sent a pair of Qassam-2 rockets into southern Israel on Sunday, digging large craters in two farm fields. Israel viewed it as a serious military escalation, because rockets launched from the West Bank and Gaza could reach some Israeli cities.

In response, Israeli warplanes fired six missiles Monday into the walled Saraya security compound in downtown Gaza City, setting buildings ablaze and sending black smoke into the sky.

More than 30 people were injured, most of them lightly, including George Kochaniec, a photographer for Denver's Rocky Mountain News. He was treated for a hand injury.

The attack came at a time of changeover between morning and afternoon shifts at nearby schools. The streets were crowded with youngsters, who raced away from the explosions, some screaming in panic.

Hundreds of Palestinians ran to the compound, demanding that suspected Islamic militants jailed there be released. Some threw stones at officers, who fired in the air to keep back the crowd. Palestinian police said all detainees were moved to another prison shortly after the Israeli attack.

In the West Bank city of Hebron on Monday, about 300 people stormed a prison and released 17 prisoners as security guards stood aside. One of the prisoners was Islamic Jihad activist Ayub Sidr. Palestinians said he was once the target of an Israeli assassination attempt.

Israel warplanes blasted a separate Gaza City security compound Sunday night near the offices of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

In Washington, State Department Spokesman Richard Boucher criticized Israel's bombing in populated areas, warning that they could intensify the fighting. He also called on Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to make efforts to stop the rocket attacks.

Speaking about the rocket attack, Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said it represented ``a new level of threat.''

``You try to deal with it in all sorts of ways - by intelligence, by prevention and by struggling against those places where you suspect and discover that there are factories or workshops for manufacturing those rockets,'' Ben-Eliezer said.

The rocket attack on Sunday was the first with the homemade Qassam-2 rocket in 16 months of fighting. The Qassam-2 has a range of three to five miles, enough to hit Israeli towns from the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In the past, Hamas has fired several shorter-range Qassam-1 rockets that caused no damage.

Arafat, who has been restricted to the West Bank town of Ramallah by Israeli forces for the past two months, denounced the airstrikes and called for international intervention. That oft-stated plea has brought many foreign diplomatic delegations, but no international peacekeepers.

``These attacks prove that (Israel's) government is not interested in quiet and stability,'' said Palestinian parliament speaker Ahmed Qureia. ``It should be clear there is no military solution to the conflict.''

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met senior Cabinet ministers and security officials Sunday, and Israeli media reports suggested the army might reoccupy Palestinian areas close to Israel for an extended period to push rockets out of range.

However, Israel has so far refrained from taking over Palestinian cities and towns for extended periods. Such action would make troops vulnerable to attacks by Palestinians.

Israel and the United States have been pressing Arafat to clamp down on militants, including the Al Aqsa Brigades, which is part of Arafat's Fatah movement.

In a leaflet distributed Monday, the group issued a seemingly contradictory statement that said the movement had ``decided to dismantle'' in line with a decision made by Arafat and the Fatah leadership.

However, no such decision has been announced by Fatah leaders, who could not immediately be reached for comment. The leaflet also strongly suggested that the group's attacks would continue.

``This does not mean in any way that our resistance to the occupation will halt. It will continue in all of Palestine as long as the aggressive Zionist campaign against our people continues,'' the Al Aqsa Brigades statement read.

Palestinian security sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said police prevented a suicide attack Monday when they arrested a militant from the Islamic Jihad movement as he was on his way from the West Bank town of Tulkarem to carry out a bombing in Israel.

Security sources also said that the Palestinians arrested four Hamas men several days ago in Gaza. The detainees included Adnan Ghoul, regarded as one of the top figures in the group's military wing, which has carried out multiple suicide bombings in Israel.


At some point about 5 minutes from now I am going to decide once and for all that that entire section of the world, or of humanity at any rate, has acheived a level of incivility wherein we are moraly obligated to either involve ourselves on a level of total overrun or remove ourselves completely.

I become not sympathetic for these constant casualties of a war I think no God would support, but rather angry. Angry that so many people are spending so much energy hating. I think that we are coming to a point as a race where we need to say, "That section, that group, that echlon, has ceased to be of value to the whole." Like a parent spanking a child, etc., we need to give a 48-hour notice to the residents of Israel, Palistine, and areas otherwise involved, and then simply go in there with some very large bulldozers and use the area to grow food for the hungry children in China.


"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
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User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

I don't see who gives you the right to judge people like that who are living in a far way place.As the Talmud says, ``judge not thy neighbour until you have been in his position''.I do not know what part of the world you live in, but I will ask you this - do you have ANY idea what it is like to live under a military occupation all your life.Do you know what it is like to see you homes demolished, or your olive groves where you played as a child uprooted.Do you know what it is like having to go for days without water while your neighbour's children frolick in swimming pools just because of who they - and you are.Do you know what it is like seeing you fether humiliated and your brothers tortured in jails.Do you know what embarassment it can be to have to pass through checkpoint after checkpoint when you have to travel to work or to travel to visit your relatives in another village.Do you have any idea of the rage that boils inside you because you see pregnant women dying or having stillbirths because they cannot get to hospital in time during labour as a result of checkpoints imposed by an occupying power.Or the outrage of seeing people with heart attacks dying because they cannot reach hospital in time.Or the resentment and feelings of powerlessness which you feel when you see the skies over your city light up with bombs as a result of the fact that someone in your neighbourhood is a criminal.In other words do you have ANY idea what it is like living under a military occupation treated like a concentration camp inmate in your own country


If you answer no to any of these questions, then you are not in the position of people fighting, and accordingly in the eyes of the blessed Talmud you have no right to judge them.

It is not my wish to be patronizing, but if you want to understand people, and not judge, label or condemn them, you must understand the POSITION they are in, and the conditions that make them act the way they do.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

As the Talmud says, ``judge not thy neighbour until you have been in his position''

Why not? You judge Israel all the time on here. You seem to ignore the terror from the Arab/Palestinian side, and only comment when Israel retaliates or tries to defend itself.


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Sorry, but the "do you know what it's like" thing doesn't work. If I knew what it was like, I would be enraged. I would hurt, and I would want to hurt. As a human, it would take something superhuman to make me do anything but want to scream angry things at those who gave my neighbor a swimming pool while my kids went thirsty. If I knew what it was like, I would know that sympathy does not come easy for those who already have luxury. If I knew what it was like, I wouldn't be spouting peaceful words of equality for all, but rather angry ones of why it meant so little for them to have so much.

But that would be if I knew what it was like.

On the other hand, your little ramble proved my point. What's life worth living if all you do is be completely controlled because of who you are and where you came from? My point stands; if all they can do is fight, if all they can do is separate themselves like that, then I think we, as a race, need to make the decision that this limb has become injured to a point where it clearly is not healing, and as such, amputate it.



"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

What's life worth living if all you do is be completely controlled because of who you are and where you came from

So simple, yet very few seem to grasp this concept. Very so well said.


User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

``Why not? You judge Israel all the time on here. You seem to ignore the terror from the Arab/Palestinian side, and only comment when Israel retaliates or tries to defend itself.''

You just dont get it do you ? I am not in Israel's position because I am NOT an occupying power, nor am I a soldier who goes to somebody else's country to occupy and oppress people and subjugate them and deprive them of their rights and so on.

There is a difference between judging someone and taking a stand against some action that is wrong or unacceptable.I do NOT ignore Palestinian terror - I am against it ( the same could be said of ADG as well ) but I see no paradox between opposing terror AND taking a stand against the oppression in which it is rooted.


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

EmiratesLover, where did that quote come from? I sure as h*ll didn't post that...???


"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Sorry - I thought you were trying to put paraphrased words in my mouth for a second.

The quintessential breakdown here is that you are, or so it seems, in a 1st-person point of view, within the entity of discussion, whereas myself and those of similar opinion are in a 3rd-person point of view where we can, to be frank, see how wholly ridiculous the pursuits which you, by virtue of being in the 1st-person perspective, consider worthwhile.
We cannot expect those in the terror-stricken areas to be aware of how inane their pursuits appear externally. I'm sure the Israeli's are very sure they are pursuing a good (and Holy) cause against Palestine and likewise with the Palestinians. This does not change the fact that externally a parent can see the futility of children arguing over the size of "halves" of a cookie or of fighting over who's side of the sand box they are on.



"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
User currently offlineEmiratesLover From Malta, joined Dec 2000, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

``This does not change the fact that externally a parent can see the futility of children arguing over the size of "halves" of a cookie or of fighting over who's side of the sand box they are on.''

You still dont get it.The Palestinians are not fighting over a piece of cookie or over a sandbox, they are the way they are because they are occupied and oppressed and even the most basic rights are being denied to them.Do you understand the difference between fighting over something stupid like a cookie and fighting because you are being deprived of your basic rights ?


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Rrrrright. The Palestinians are not the issue. I'm talking about the Palestinians and Isrealis fighting with each other over religious issues. I don't know if you read the article up there but it says "Isreali Air Strikes...", so why are you talking about why Palestinians are fighting anyway?


"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

So simple, yet very few seem to grasp this concept.

I WILL NEVER "grasp" this concept because it justifies suicide maryt attacks which are the true embodiment of evil.

No one likes the occupation Israel has been struggling for 10 years to give the Palestinians their state (FIRST TIME IN HISTORY), but the Palestinians are demanding and attempting to bring about Israel's annihilation.

This will not happen and neither will their state untill the violence lets up.

TNNH


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