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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Howdy,

i like to think i know about computers but there are just so so many options out there i really dont even know what to look for! Im not a massive gamer but i enjoy playing games and want a computer that will serve me for a few years.

Obviously ive heard nothing but good things about the alienware systems, and their service is apparntley top notch. Ive been looking at Dell's gaming computers as well but i know a few people that own Dells and work we use Dells and they just seem to be done on the cheap.

At the moment my budget is 5k or just a little over, im pretty sure from looking at all websites etc you can get a good quality gaming/high end system for that kind of cash. Ive seen some systems up to 8-9k, thats kind of ridiculous for a computer!

All i want is something that can play games now and in the future without stumbling frame rates and something that is quick for video editing etc. Also i'll be playing FS X etc so something that supports DirectX10 is a must! Water cooling is defintley a plus, as its always going to be 22 degrees c inside the house with a couple degrees on top of that for where the pc sits, and my compaq at the moment is noisy as hell as it always needs the fans on cause its heating up too much.

Want something that is reliable, well built, a quality machine (quality parts etc) and value for money.

Anyway heres what i have been looking at......

Alienware systems

Dell gaming comps

Plus Corporation gaming comps

Have looked at a few overseas, generally US companys but no idea if they ship ready for use in Australia.

So throw in your ideas, thoughts basically anything! i really dont know what i should be getting, ever magazine says opposing stuff so really stuck. If you own any high spec gaming systems defintley put your thoughts in and why you chose it etc especially owners of alienware im interested to know if it lives up to the hype.

Cheers and look forward to ideas etc.    

edit: i did look at buliding my own pc but i just dont have the time and i'll screw it up anyway and most companies allow you to fully customize your system.

[Edited 2008-01-16 02:17:10]


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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

I use a Dell notebook (Inspiron 1720), and I am very satisfied with it. The game performance is not that great, though, as the Geforce 8600M GT is good for normal games, but too weak for crysis.

If you want to use a stationary pc, you should try the new Geforce 8800 GT, it is said to be priced fair, and is still reasonable fast for modern games.

I have heard that there is a difference between Dell in the US and Dell in Europe. Dell in Europe has a good reputation, and my notebook has, as said, good quality.

If you want a gaming pc, you should, btw, consider installing Windows XP instead of Vista. Much faster and better for games., even if it lacks DX10

[Edited 2008-01-16 04:28:43]

User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Alienware is cool but somewhat overpriced in my opinion. Dell, as any other big corporation will give you the latest hardware for a good price but you won't find any model with a decent graphic board.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
If you want to use a stationary pc, you should try the new Geforce 8800 GT

It's a fair card and it's GX10. The 8800GT, GTS or GTX will give you that edge for most current games and those about to be released. But mind the energy requirements of those cards!
Some proprietary cases like most Dell i've seen might use weird sized power supplies that can't be replaced by stronger ones (like a 500W seventeam or thermaltake for ex) necessary to feed the 8800 series.



My current "gaming PC" is a plain HP DC5750 Business PC with AMD 4200X2, 2GB RAM, GF 7900GT, a 480W Thermaltake PSU and the good old XP. It plays flawlessly on full settings BF2, BF2142, COD4, FSX....and even Crysis on normal (not low) settings.



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
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I personally feel that with Alienware pc's your buying the name, and the computer is overpriced.
I think you'd find it easier to build the pc yourself, my mate for example paid about £800 for his computer when he built himself, and it was higher spec'd than the top Alienware computer.
If you arent confident in building a computer, then I'd say look at dell's xps range, as they seem to be better, plus support is absolutely top notch.

Kev.



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User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 2):

My current "gaming PC" is a plain HP DC5750 Business PC with AMD 4200X2, 2GB RAM, GF 7900GT, a 480W Thermaltake PSU and the good old XP. It plays flawlessly on full settings BF2, BF2142, COD4, FSX....and even Crysis on normal (not low) settings.

Wow, with that PC, I always thought that FSX is really intensive. Just a question how well do you think a Quad Core 6600, 8800GTX and 4GB ram with a 24inch Vista play with FSX and other games such as BF2142

Edit: Sorry I may have sounded a bit mean, I meant to say that early on in its release I thought that people with better PC's were complaining how they can't play FSX

[Edited 2008-01-16 05:26:06]

User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1715 times:



Quoting Ag92 (Reply 4):
Wow, with that PC, I always thought that FSX is really intensive. Just a question how well do you think a Quad Core 6600, 8800GTX and 4GB ram with a 24inch Vista play with FSX and other games such as BF2142

Ag, FSX is quite "heavier" than FS2004 for instance, but not as much as Crysis. So my system handles it pretty well. FSX is the only one I don't play online but as a single player my fps is pretty low. So you get the picture - the computer you described is more perfect for FSX and for BF2142 it's overkill !

I think people complaining about FSX have other issues, maybe too much crap loaded in memory I don't know. But I started playing FSX in this computer a while ago with a GF 7600GT and I had no problems. It just got better with the 7900GTO.



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User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Honestly, I really think the best way to go is to build a computer. It seems daunting at first, I know. I just built my first one this past fall, and once I got everything via UPS, it took 20 minutes to put it all together, and then I just had to install the OS.

Also, you get better warranties in some cases. My CPU has a 5 year parts and labor warranty... graphics card has a 2 year, and get this... my RAM? Its got lifetime warranty. So anytime it fails, I just call them up, they send me more, and I send the defective back.

Also, you can make sure Dell or the other OEM manufacturers don't rip you off in things like FSB speed, memory speed, etc.

my 2 cents


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Some companies offer build your own computers (you spec them and they build them), but often I think just a little research and buying a computer off the shelf is cheaper and just as good for the average person.

I'd buy:

Intel Core Duo E6850

Geforce 8800 GTX

4 GB Ram

Vista Home

Thats pretty much all you need - just make sure it has enough PCI - E slots, you can worry about SLI, soundcards and that stuff later as you have the money - don't make it too complicated! Just get the basics right and it'll be fine. In the Uk you can buy that for around £900 ($1900 ish) without monitor.

I wouldn't worry about temp unless your overclocking - 22'C is no problem. For average use, the PC will have enough cooling in most cases (another good reason from buying from a shop). Also you get some warrenty with a shop.

The Quad cores as far as I know don't really offer much, if anything, over a fast Duo at the moment for games. I'd saty with the duo (but thats just me).


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Thanks guys,

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 7):
The Quad cores as far as I know don't really offer much, if anything, over a fast Duo at the moment for games. I'd saty with the duo (but thats just me).

Yeah from what i hear they dont do too much whatsoever, just improve performace just a little.

Now i have been thinking, im going to price it up and see whats cheaper to build or buy, i guess i could make time  Smile

Do you just buy one of the towers? ive been reading reviews etc and most seem to come pre built ready for toolless instalation and with the fans and power cords etc all connected.

Is it just then a case of installing everything?

Keep putting ideas etc in, thanks so far!



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1636 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
Obviously ive heard nothing but good things about the alienware systems, and their service is apparntley top notch. Ive been looking at Dell's gaming computers as well but i know a few people that own Dells and work we use Dells and they just seem to be done on the cheap.

Dell and Alienware are one and the same company. Dell bought Alienware a couple of years ago and have aligned components between the various Dell and Alienware lines. The biggest difference in the two lines comes aethetically; performance wise, you can have the same for cheaper if you buy Dell. Same components, same customer service, same supply chain, same build facility, different case.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1620 times:

Pilotdude, you'd be better off getting a Dell. Also if you're planning to use it for games, get a desktop, laptops simply cannot match a desktop when it comes to hardcore gaming...and for 5k you can get a pretty decent gaming desktop. The Alienware m9750 is an awesome gaming laptop..but waaay too expensive (its A$ 4500 I think..for a decent one).


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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Its a real pain that you cant buy american PC's some of those are great value for money! even their top dell with liquid cooling etc etc is a great buy compared to anything over here.

And the HP Blackbird, its HUGE but its a dream come true!!! but then you would have to remortgage something to pay for it...

At the moment its between the Dell and The Alienware.

Some questions though,

Is it better to have 2 Graphics cards?

Quad core Extreme really worth the extra money? over the standard quad core?

PhysicX accelarator needed?

800ghz Ram required for latest games etc etc?

Nvidia 8800 GTX a good graphics card?

Im reading reviews on all of these but my god do opinions vairy, some say things are good, some say crap others say they arent able to run future games etc.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

I personally own a Dell XPS 720. Granted I worked for Dell for a couple years, but the discounts for normal people through the website is better than the employees get - so price wasn't the kicker.  Smile The XPS line has always been about putting out a quality gaming machine, especially after the initial XPS 700s rolled out (they had a few motherboard issues).

I sort of lucked out an got the the 1GB GeForce graphics card that is no longer available - simply costs too much for Dell's price point...its a $1500-2000 graphics card. I got the 750 watt power supply, 4gb ram, 1 TB HD, and all the other nice stuff...including dual 20" wide monitors (no sense for anything bigger).

With your budget of around $5K - which is about what I spent, you can get a great machine from Dell. If you want, send me an email or whatever and I'll shoot you over a cart/configuration to look at.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1596 times:



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 7):
The Quad cores as far as I know don't really offer much, if anything, over a fast Duo at the moment for games. I'd saty with the duo (but thats just me).

You mean they don't double the size of your penis? Damn, I was misled.

I have a quad core Intel and it's fast. However, I have no basis for comparison.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3516 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1592 times:



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 7):
4 GB Ram

Vista Home

For the 32 bit Vista, 4 GB RAM is overkill, as the system cannot even use that properly.

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 7):
The Quad cores as far as I know don't really offer much, if anything, over a fast Duo at the moment for games. I'd saty with the duo (but thats just me).

This is correct. There was an article in the German magazine C´t about this, and they explained in detail that Quad Cores are not much better than the fastest dual cores for games (which were a real recommendation).


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

I gotta say - if your not happy building one yourself, you can't go wrong with a XPS from dell.

Well made and very good after sales support/warranties.

Good displays too.

Alex


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Think i may just go with the dell as they are offering a $500 cash back so i can put a few more features into it, upgrade to ulimate windows vista, better monitor and the better processor and its still under 5k.

Thanks guys.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1573 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 16):

Unless you've tried vista before, I'd recommend keeping XP.

Alex


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1572 times:



Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 17):
Unless you've tried vista before, I'd recommend keeping XP.

I have Vista on my laptop and honestly i find it runs alot faster and smoother than XP and looks much more modern as well.

Also alot of games microsoft has said they will only be available for Vista, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1565 times:



Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):

Fair enough. Only reason I said so was because Vista turned my trust IBM Thinkstation into a nervous wreck!

Luckily its got XP back on it now!

Alex


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Vista is a huge improvement over XP.

It's the same as XP, with most of the anoying features removed. I have it on my laptop now. It's much much faster and I haven't had any problems.

It's pointless not upgrading, you are going to have to move to it one day, might as well be now, unless you have an issue with a specific program that you just can't solve on Vista. But even then, worst case, just set up a dual boot with XP/Vista.

MS will stop supporting XP one day, so it's either Vista or buy a mac.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

First let me clarify that gaming is not a core interest for me. Others can certainly speak to these issues with more practical experience.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 11):
Is it better to have 2 Graphics cards?

Graphics card coupling (such as SLI) can increase the rendering speed and thus the resulting frame rate on a single screen. In an extreme case even with multiple pairs of graphics cards for multiple screens, but you'd need lots of power, you would probably run into PCIe throughput limitations and there may be driver issues in such an extreme configuration.

This kind of coupling always requires special graphics cards explicitly prepared for it and the accompanying special drivers.

As long as the games you're actually interested in will run with decent frame rates (more than 60fps are pointless - your TFT only displays 60 fps anyway), a single card will suffice.

The motherboard can make a difference as well: A high-performance machine shold have PCIe 2 (PCI express 2) slots with at least one of them supporting a full complement of 16 PCIe lanes for the graphics card. If you want to use more than one graphics card, at least two slots should have as many PCIe lanes as possible.

The total number of lanes the chipset supports is limited, so a chipset with only 16 lanes in total can either split them 8-8 between two cards, dedicate them all to one card and leave all others dead or provide other combinations spreading the lanes thinly across all the cards. The various combinations possible may also depend on the BIOS.

High-performance graphics is one of the biggest throughput hogs on a computer, so skimping on the PCIe infastructure (or on the main memory throughput which feeds it) can restrict the benefits of lavish investments in other components.

The system should be balanced for the kind of use it is intended for. Bottlenecks in one place can ruin the overall effort.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 11):
Quad core Extreme really worth the extra money? over the standard quad core?

It is basically an advance on upcoming faster CPUs, at massive additional power requirements. I doubt many (if any) games would actually benefit. Get a decent modern and halfway power-efficient CPU (currently Core 2) and maybe upgrade it later if you really need to.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 11):
PhysicX accelarator needed?

Check out your primary games of interest whether they benefit from it and how much. In the long run I expect multi-core CPUs to obsolete separate physics engines anyway (even though right now most games don't seem to benefit much from multiple cores, but that will change over time).

Don't skimp on the CPU in terms of cache, though - it can throttle CPU performance by overloading the frontside bus.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 11):
800ghz Ram required for latest games etc etc?

MHz, I'm sure?

Depends on your CPU, chipset and graphics card setup, but as far as I'm aware main memory speed is not (yet) a major bottleneck with the current chipsets if multiple memory channels are actually used.

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 20):
MS will stop supporting XP one day, so it's either Vista or buy a mac.

Macs run both XP and Vista as well, so it's not an "either - or" but "just this or all of it".

Within the budget given, a Mac Pro with "just" one quad-core Xeon CPU (configured down from its default two) and a GeForce 8800 GT 512MB would amount to A$3579,- including tax. Under Windows it should be a decent gaming machine as well, even though that's not it's original purpose.


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Pretty much agree with the above.

with SLI it's maybe 15-20% extra fps for double the cost, so really it depends on how much money you have!

I think the problem with the Quad cores is that few games support multi-core processing. This is true of the Dual core, but at least background programs can be run on the other core, but beyond that, not many people have use for four processors. In theory a fast dual core could easily outperform a Quad for games - So you might be better off buying a faster Duo anyway, even if you can afford a Quad. I think some games (like Unreal?) support multi cores though - FSX apparently does too. This will get more common.

If you are into macs or not, windows is the only choice for games. And a PC is much cheaper - with all that money you save, you can buy much better hardware.

As I wrote before, the Dual Core E6850 is currently the CPU I would probably buy (although you could pay extra for the extreme version). Very fast, affordable, lots of cache, high clock speed, probably the best option until AMD (and intel) release the next lot.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1522 times:



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 22):
If you are into macs or not, windows is the only choice for games.

Not in general, but when it's the main interest, Windows will certainly be the better choice. Macs can also be used as Windows PCs as well (and quite fast ones at that), so it's just down to the specifics.

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 22):
And a PC is much cheaper - with all that money you save, you can buy much better hardware.

Depends on what the priorities are. I'm not saying a Mac Pro had been designed for gaming - it wasn't. But it's built like a tank and it's one of the fastest PCs money can buy at any price, including special provisions for large and hungry graphics cards. And in its performance range it's actually quite competitive.

But I've kept my explanations above generic for a reason - the Mac Pro is certainly not the conventional choice for a gaming machine, even if it may be a mistake to discount it out of hand. The question is which configuration would serve the intended purpose best, and that can depend on several different criteria.


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

I would never discount anything, but generally macs aren't considered as good for games. Obviously if the computer is needed for other things, that might be different, but he did say it was for games.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Thread starter):
Also i'll be playing FS X etc so something that supports DirectX10 is a must!

All the GF8xxx support DX10 I think, but it isn't needed. FSX will run on 9x just as well. You just don't get some of the nicer hardware graphic effects. Not sure about performance because i haven't tried it. Only Vista might support DX10 though (not sure but I think XP dosn't - something else to think about when buying XP over Vista!)


25 Post contains links and images Klaus : You've discounted it right there - without really knowing why. The main reason for that blanket statement is probably that most people don't have the
26 CaptOveur : So does a properly equipped PC. I just built mine up and I am running vista with no issues to speak of. Yes, it is different from XP. Yes, there are
27 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Yeah i know this computer im on runs like crap with Vista....just re read my original comment to you and i sounded really rude, sorry bout that if i
28 ThePRGuy : Hmm...I'm sure you enjoy it but for doing real things (which require stability and no crashing) XP is still much better. I use XP on a day to day bas
29 Cpd : What I did was build my own: Intel QX6700 Extreme CPU Intel D975XBX2 mainboard Asus 8800GTX 768MB Creative XFI sound card 300GB HDD 250GB HDD Antec P1
30 Pilotdude09 : Pretty close to what i want actually. How much that end up costing you? Also one more question......The dell's i believe come with 32bit windows, wha
31 Klaus : Then it's a PowerMac G5, isn't it? The first Mac Pro was introduced only in August 2006. Almost no difference on the screen, but a PowerMac can't run
32 Sv2008 : XP crashes all the time. So does Vista. But Vista is no worse for home use than XP. A crash in a game isn't a big deal, anoying but games have been c
33 Klaus : Nope. I've just worked with Apple products for a good while now and know both (Mac and PC) hardware and software platforms by direct comparison. And
34 Goldenshield : Every PC thread on this forum gets hijacked by the Mac crowd. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN. Kind of like the Borg.
35 Post contains links Klaus : 1.) He's already using a Mac (the predecessor model of the one I've been mentioning). So getting a system that covers both uses at once would be a pl
36 Post contains links Sv2008 : Off topic, but was this a joke? Just saw it 10 min ago. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2217/30133717hu3.jpg I don't understand it either - the th
37 Post contains images Klaus : Obviously...!    My guess is that Goldenshield talking about "hijacking" above triggered the ad selection engine. Every current Mac is also a PC! Y
38 Post contains images ThePRGuy : Most mac users are capable of understanding the advantages of both operating platforms, its sadly many of the windows users who are such fascists. He
39 Post contains links and images Sv2008 : http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9127/58409184wj4.jpg here is a higher quaity version - notice the hyperlinks - are those real sites? Looks like so
40 Post contains links and images Klaus : And most people are quite surprised when they learn that every current Mac is also a standard PC which can run Windows like any other. I got that. Bu
41 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Yeah, its a 2005 G5 Powermac, no idea why i said Mac Pro?????? Cool, thank you. Leopard is great, i upgraded the computer for AUD$168 and compared to
42 Post contains images Klaus : You're not alone with that mistake. After all, it was the "professional Mac" as well, and it even looks almost the same as the Mac Pro. It probably d
43 ThePRGuy : Just saw this. XP does not crash all the time. I use it for work which does not consist of Games and Porn, so it kicks Vista's pathetic glitzy little
44 Cpd : Almost AUD$4200, but I ordered everything before any of the major components (video card, CPU, etc) were released here - so I did get stung rather ba
45 Sv2008 : But he already said it was for home use, not business, so why does this matter?
46 Aloges : I agree. There's a lot I don't like about it, such as the registry, but crashing has never been a problem for me. I've run my main XP system since la
47 Pilotdude09 : Yeah thats gotta suck!
48 ThePRGuy : Home use is games and porn is it? Not browsing the internet, working on word processing/projects for college/work? XP is far more reliable, its a fac
49 CaptOveur : I use Vista for school work, work work, and games, and porn.. I have yet to have a crash and I have been running it almost 2 weeks I think. Its not t
50 Post contains images ThePRGuy : Give this guy a medal someone! Sorry, is 2.8GHz and 4GB of RAM a non Vista compliant computer? I know what computers can run what, and it is way way
51 Kingsford : For 5000 AUD (I guess this is the currency you were mentioning), I can recommend a Dell XPS 420 - Quad Core 6600, 8800GTX and 3 or 4 GB ram. It runs F
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