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F1: Off Season Thread 4  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

So time for another thread!!


Isnt much remaining til the Melbourne GP start!! "Just" 55days!!!


So lets the argue begin!!!

B747forever


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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3598 times:



Quoting Nosedive,Off Season Thread 3:

Well, Honda had a brilliant 2004 season, with JB nabbing 10 podiums.

That was then. Last season they were absolutely poor and any progress that Honda and Button could've made after winning the 2006 Hungarian GP looks as though it's gone to waste. Having said that they need to get something this season, especially if Button is to retain any credibility (from me at least).


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3584 times:



Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
So time for another thread!!

No it isn't. Keep the off-season like the Bundesliga.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 1):

The argument was JB "had thrown his career away." Just pointing out he has had success, nothing more.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3561 times:



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 2):
No it isn't. Keep the off-season like the Bundesliga.

All with you there but they have archived the other one already.
B747forever is on a 50K connection, so that's why!?


Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3545 times:



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 2):
No it isn't. Keep the off-season like the Bundesliga.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 3):
B747forever is on a 50K connection, so that's why!?

Okey, will let this go til the season start. And I am not on a 50K connection!!!



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

B747forever - do you just restart these threads to boost your count? Come on the only one was only a few over 210 right? now with barely any images atall - on a mid range broadband connection that was loading in mere seconds - hardly time to restart it...

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 2):
The argument was JB "had thrown his career away." Just pointing out he has had success, nothing more.

Yah Im not sure what Button is doing - although after his first win with Honda you can hardly blame him for staying right? In my opinion if he does crap this year, He will quit Honda and move to another team but IMO he has thrown away any chance for a world championship to the "big 4" (Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton Massa) and I think hes doomed to become another Coulthard..

Just my opinion..

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3542 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 5):
B747forever - do you just restart these threads to boost your count?

No, I am not trying to boost my count, with one post!!!!



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3538 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 5):
In my opinion if he does crap this year, He will quit Honda and move to another team

To become a testdriver!? I can hardly see him get another race contract for another team.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
No, I am not trying to boost my count, with one post!!!!

That one post, and the rest of your posts, is what Jamesbruck meant!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3530 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):
To become a testdriver!? I can hardly see him get another race contract for another team.

Possibly but Im not sure hes got the technical knowledge to be any use to the higher teams e.g. Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW etc, so he might end up at somewhere like super aguri or the mid/bottom of the pack; you are probably right though, I doubt he would get a race seat with a decent team again although maybe a few offerings with lower teams but would he take them?

Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):
That one post, and the rest of your posts, is what JamesbUK meant!

 Wink

And yes your right, you have to post to boost your score - once, then all the others.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3525 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
Possibly but Im not sure hes got the technical knowledge to be any use to the higher teams e.g. Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW etc, so he might end up at somewhere like super aguri or the mid/bottom of the pack; you are probably right though, I doubt he would get a race seat with a decent team again although maybe a few offerings with lower teams but would he take them?

Whether he takes them or not will probably depend on how much money is being offered!!! (Unless of course Honda sack him first and wants to remain in the sport). That proves my point on how he's basically 'thrown away his career', he could've got something at Williams and maybe a break into the 'Big Four'.

I accept that he probably saw potential at the time of his decision within Honda, but to me it's short-sightedness and last season proves that. I wish him the best of luck (Britain needs several competitive drivers in at the same time, not one every 5 years or so) but time is not on his side.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3520 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):

To become a testdriver!? I can hardly see him get another race contract for another team.



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
I doubt he would get a race seat with a decent team again although maybe a few offerings with lower teams but would he take them?

I'm in the "the worst thing to happen to JB was LouHam" crowd. His 2004 season was brilliant, and it came after a rather "decent" 2003 stint with BAR Honda, which had JB telling JV where to shove it. As for JB's future, well I didn't really see SeaBass getting a shot at F1, so I don't want to comment on JB. Also, has Honda even started testing the new car this yr?

Some new cars on track today: Williams FW30, Renault R28


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

I saw Mr. Button on the TV show "Top Gear," shown here in the USA on BBC America. He came on and answered questions from Jeremy, and then did a lap in the older "reasonably-priced car.'' He was slower than that fat old fart Nigel Mansell! The show must have been taped before JB's win at Hungary in 2006.

In any event, he seems like a nice bloke, and I wish him well.



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User currently offlineCupraIbiza From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 836 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3509 times:



Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 11):
In any event, he seems like a nice bloke, and I wish him well.

I think he is a nice bloke too. So is Coulthard.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 5):
He will quit Honda and move to another team but IMO he has thrown away any chance for a world championship to the "big 4" (Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton Massa) and I think hes doomed to become another Coulthard..

and nice blokes dont win world championships, not in modern times anyway



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8435 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 3495 times:

Who thinks Honda are going to continue on with that ridiculous earth livery? If I were a sponsor, after last season, I would be wanting my brand back on the car.

User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Who thinks Honda are going to continue on with that ridiculous earth livery?

LOL!
Whatever they deside to do, it can't get worse though.

On the other hand, I am very interested to see what Mr. Brawn have been able to do so far for the team. I for one thinks that he is the right person to make this team competitive.


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Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 14):
On the other hand, I am very interested to see what Mr. Brawn have been able to do so far for the team. I for one thinks that he is the right person to make this team competitive

I'm starting to believe the same thing. It seems that Brawn should be able to help turn the team around, especially because Button was quoted as saying that last years Honda was horrible because of Aero problems.

Anyway I hope that their livery is better this year because last years was crap. Although I think they already have confirmed that they will be introducing Version 2 of their earth livery for this season.

I am actually Hoping that Williams comes out with a really cool Livery for their 30th anniversary....Their new car looks pretty good too.


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Q and A with Max Mosley;
http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2008/1/7286.html

I think he has rather "funny" way of viewing serten things. The last question is a hit though!


Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3469 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
And yes your right, you have to post to boost your score - once, then all the others.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):
That one post, and the rest of your posts, is what Jamesbruck meant!

Yeah, I have got the point!!!

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
The last question is a hit though!

LOL!!! You are right!!



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3453 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
And yes your right, you have to post to boost your score - once, then all the others.



Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):
That one post, and the rest of your posts, is what Jamesbruck meant!

Yeah, I have got the point!!!

Quoting Sudden (Reply 16):
The last question is a hit though!

LOL!!! You are right!!

B747, with all offense included, do not post in this thread unless you can come up with more than just 1 sentence repetition exercises.

Malyasia night race in 2009

Testing today @ Valencia:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:12.182 97 *
2. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:12.721 100 *
3. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:12.838 80 *
4. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:13.026 100 *
5. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:13.163 107 *
6. Alonso Renault (B) 1:13.316 133 *
7. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:13.473 89
8. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:13.627 86
9. Asmer BMW-Sauber (B) 1:13.669 44
10. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:13.675 73
11. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:13.779 80 *
12. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:13.820 69 *
13. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:13.944 70 *
14. Glock Toyota (B) 1:14.095 76 *
15. Liuzzi Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:15.095 64
16. Wurz Honda (B) 1:15.440 49

* 2008 car

All Timing Unofficial


Mad Max on the cap
Ok, does anyone else get the feeling Max is trying to let this issue die on the vine? His vagueness, or at least his "perceived" vagueness worries me somewhat.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 18):
Malyasia night race in 2009

Interesting. Seems that we will see more and more night GPs. I dont think it is a great idea to have to many GPs that is raced during the night!!!



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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

For those of you who haven't seen it, check out the R28. Note the new nose, and its interesting aero design.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7518/xpb0ws2dq806otjep092vjlcs2.jpg

Borrowed from an F1 forum (insider.speedtv.com)

Also the new Williams FW30 and its interim livery made its debut at Valencia:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8490/xpb0x92n7k0fh1g1t0rlfairc8.jpg

Dave



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3430 times:



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 18):
B747, with all offense included, do not post in this thread unless you can come up with more than just 1 sentence repetition exercises.

Yeah Ill have to agree there, it gets annoying, every 3 replies having "LOL!!!"

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
I dont think it is a great idea to have to many GPs that is raced during the night!!!

Why not? The track will be heavily flood lit so that everyone can see properly including the drivers - you dont actually think it will be very dark do you?

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 20):
Note the new nose, and its interesting aero design.

Seems alot of teams are using the "bridged" nose now - Anyone know the aerodynamical advantages?

My understanding from a special on F1 cars on TV last year, the wing on the very bottom underneath the normal wing, it stalls the nose at high speed by disrupting the airflow creating less drag.. so whats the benefit of the top one? more downforce or to stall more of the aero?


Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3424 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 21):
Why not? The track will be heavily flood lit so that everyone can see properly including the drivers - you dont actually think it will be very dark do you?

But still I dont like to many night GPs. They shall be raced during daylight!!!



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3416 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 20):
Also the new Williams FW30 and its interim livery made its debut at Valencia:

They have also placed wings on each side of the air intake!
As far as I know they didn't have those during any race last season, right?


Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3411 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):
But still I dont like to many night GPs. They shall be raced during daylight!!!

How do you know you dont yet? They havent had one yet - for all you know it could be the best thing since sliced bread  Wink


Just looking at that Williams picture - incredibly misty, must be vis of about 75metres, how do they possibly go round the circuit in that? they go about 50metres a second!

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
25 Post contains images BA757 : I am sure the conditions in certain rainy conditions can be worse - ala China. I guess it would be like driving around in permanent spray. It won't b
26 Nosedive : Champ Car: CLE 2003: Champ Car: Milwaukee 2003: Briston 2007: many, many, many more examples.
27 LTU932 : And as I've said before, they're only to adapt the scheduling of races in Asia to Central European Time. FIA (namely Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone
28 StealthZ : And just maybe as the emerging markets of Asia begin to provide a larger audience than Europe, they will start scheduling the Euro races at night so
29 Bill142 : if Ten didn't let Big Boof-head and Australian I-Have-No-Talent run over then the usual 10:30 start time might be achievable. Even when they schedule
30 Sudden : I can not say I envy you guys over there. Here in Holland all races are shown live, and during Asia and North/South America they show the race again
31 B747forever : Yeah, you are right. But still not to many night GPs!!! Doesnt matter if I need to wake up in the middle of a night. If you are a F1 fan, it shall no
32 Jamesbuk : Why though? Whats your reason for not wanting them? Have you watched the clips above.. I was watching some and honestly couldnt tell it was night tim
33 Post contains images BA757 : or when you have had a few alcoholic beverages the night before. But then I wouldn't expect a young lad to know what that is - especially the work.
34 Post contains links Nosedive : In other words, you don't have a job... Well, if night races boost TV ratings in Asia as well, expect to see night races in Europe, IMO. Honda's on t
35 BA757 : I love that much improved livery.
36 Sudden : Livery? It has no livery, yet! (Which in a way is better then last year livery) Anyway, I bet the RA108 will be stronger in all aspects. Aim for the
37 StealthZ : I have read that the FIA is overhauling the Steward process at F1 races this season. Not before time and to be applauded but this part of their new sy
38 B747forever : LOL!!! No, I have SCHOOL!!!! Okey, I have to admit (after seeing the videos) that night GPs wont be so bad.
39 Post contains images BA757 : Think about it... what I said... That may just be my point. What the hell is funny about that?
40 B747forever : You will never get it!!!
41 Post contains images Jamesbuk : You have school on a sunday? Haha I really hope that Honda learns from its livery mistakes (aswell as mechanical ) from last year.. it was god damned
42 B747forever : No, but I have home works. Think that it counts!!!
43 Post contains images LTU932 : Doubtful. Bernie and Max are too focused on "pleasing" the Central European market at the expense of others. IMO waking up early in the morning to wa
44 Post contains links Nosedive : Obviously, a.net is better than school... Ok, I'm not making my point clear. let me use an example: Asian viewers love the night race and viewership
45 StealthZ : My thoughts on the subject were from a different direction. I was thinking about the possibility that Asian audiences would grow to the size where th
46 B747forever : Maybe it is better??? But I doubt that because then it would not fit us. And isnt that they want??
47 StealthZ : It may be unpalatable for the Euro centric mind but as I said earlier, the support base for F1 is moving East. It won't be next year or the year afte
48 Bill142 : But most developed nations forbid tobacco advertising. If bernie really wants to keep the tobacco companies in F1 the entire championship will be run
49 BlueElephant : I think they also said that It is only lit on one side so that If the Drivers spin out, they wouldn't get disoriented ( Smart Idea Me thinks).... I'm
50 B747forever : But lets hope that F1 wont "move" to Asia!!!
51 BA757 : Your right, I won't. I work with kids in your age group, and there are many things I will 'never get'. Stop using 'LOL' all the time - it does nothin
52 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Yeah that is quite a good idea - anyone know how high up these lights are going to be? Last thing you want is the lights being relatively low and gla
53 B747forever : Okey, will stop with my "LOLs". Promise!!
54 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Again, we only have 1 major example of a formula series roadcourse night race. CLE CC 2003: The lights were pretty damn high. Oval tracks have most o
55 B747forever : Okey, I have to change my opinions about night GPs. It wont be bad at all, as I thought first. After all the videos and this pics it seems really gre
56 StealthZ : "Still isn't" being the operative words here, but there is a definite seismic shift in the support/power base of F1 Like I said in reply 47, it won't
57 Post contains images Nosedive : Heh, I'm failing to see why you're trying to make an argument where we have no disagreement
58 Bill142 : Formula 1 has too much pride to use a tried and tested method from other series. They have to reinvent the wheel before they're satisfied.
59 Post contains links Nosedive : Fine, steal it from ALMS
60 StealthZ : Hey, not arguing with you..
61 Aerobalance : Been impressd by the Williams FW30 testing times... Could they win a race this year?
62 B747forever : No it doesnt say much.
63 Bill142 : What? What doesn't say much?
64 B747forever : The test times. You guys have always say that.
65 Aerobalance : True if you do not know much...
66 Post contains links Nosedive : Quoting B747forever (Reply 64): The test times. You guys have always say that. They do and they don't mean anything. Ferrari had a lackluster test per
67 B747forever : Thank you so much Nosdive for explaining all for me.
68 Post contains images Duff44 : That's Grand-Am ALMS still uses the "headlights only" technique. I think the night race is going to be an interesting novelty. Especially on a street
69 Post contains links Nosedive : Either way, JPM, Dario Franchitti, Scott Pruett and Memo Rojas (who?) all kick ass. Well, the main thing I can think of stopping night racing will be
70 Sudden : Very true as then all teams are more focused on race setup then testing new components etc. However, I still find it interesting to compare the unoff
71 B747forever : True, as Nosedive mentioned!!!
72 StealthZ : It is comprised in part of the former Avus racing circuit which hosted it's first German Grand Prix in 1926 and in 1937 after the addition of a steep
73 Aerobalance : ...And my perspective is that since 1979 I haven't seen Williams test for glory-they test for results, I'm just saying...
74 Post contains links Sudden : Mr. Mosley is praising Hamilton. It's all good and well, but if Mosley would leave F1 I think Hamilton would even make a bigger chance! And I also hav
75 Sudden : Hm, Just a small question that has nothing to do with F1 really! The thread called "Thread Without Contribution Of B747forever Pt II", does this has a
76 Post contains links BlueElephant : Honda's New Livery....Its an Improvement on last years..But still pretty aweful The Green stripes don't do it for me. http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2
77 Sudden : Looks like a low budget version of last years livery! Aim for the sky! Sudden
78 Nosedive : I thought they also had a real race there... But yes. Well, at the same time, you had Toyota actually scoring points in the first races of their 1st
79 LTU932 : Not only Mosley needs to go, Bernie should leave with him. One thing FIA needs is fresh leadership. Bernie and Max have been around too long and have
80 B747forever : You can always ask them!!!
81 Sudden : To read what you actually post in that thread, you seem more then qualified to answer this yourself. But ok, my point is just that your credibility i
82 StealthZ : I stand corrected, most my reference works are in storage so I was working from my increasingly fragile memory and a little, but not enough, online h
83 Post contains images Nosedive : One year a championship does not make. What other changes have they done besides replacing the Amer...err lazy German driver? Hey, we suck in F1 Trui
84 BA757 : Alan McNish?
85 Bill142 : Clearly the contacted many of Europe's Airlines and had them consult on what was the best base colour to use. Clearly the answer was a resounding "Eu
86 Post contains links Sudden : This was a nice surprise as I didn't actually know that Wurz were to come back to F1. I like this guy a lot. Seems very down to earth. http://www.form
87 Post contains images Legoguy : Honda's livery is still pretty crap although I know it will grow on me when I see it lapping. More importantly, I am hoping they are back to their poi
88 B747forever : " target=_blank>http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi....html Great that we have him back. SO we can maybe see him race a GP!!!!
89 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080130150728.shtml Button Still thinks he can win a World Championship....(I think he's way beyond h
90 Post contains images MIAspotter : Or Being lapped.... I am going to the tests on Sunday here in Circuit De Catalunya, 6euros to get in! sweet deal. MIAspotter
91 B747forever : Wow, wish that I also could live in BCN and go to all tests!!! Poor old Button!!!
92 Post contains images BA757 : What? I have seen him race in GP's... many times. As long as they don't seek advice from Helvetic or Wizz. [Edited 2008-01-30 11:28:52]
93 Post contains images Legoguy : mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm not sure what to think of BMW's new nose cone. It looks as if a plane is spawning from the nose.
94 StealthZ : From an Autosport Q & A with Max Mosely... 1/Damn it Max you have been talking about this for so long, why haven't you done the figures. 2/1-1.5 Billi
95 Sudden : BA757, He is just posting to increase his total number of posts. Don't pay any attention to it. Aim for the sky! Sudden
96 Cornish : So it seems Narain Kartikheyan may well be replacing Davidson at Super Aguri as part of a major Indian buy-in of the team. The buyers include Tata app
97 Post contains links BlueElephant : I don't know if Karthikeyan is a better driver than Davidson, Although it would be nice to see an Indian driver again. But Right now, Stuff might sta
98 Cornish : Well Autosport says that Honda has given its approval for the deal to go through should it be finalised and that Karthikeyan is a fundamental part of
99 Post contains images Legoguy : I'm not sure I uploaded the BMW nose cone picture correctly so here it is again...
100 Sudden : Hm, that nose reminds of the devil himself! Looks cool though, and I hope their whole package will be able to challange the frontrunners this season.
101 B747forever : I mean next season!!! That looks really cool!!!
102 Post contains links Nosedive : You know, one liners are supposed to be funny. Why in the fuck haven't you figured this fact out yet? Oh, mah gawd...look at her nose...it is sooooo
103 Sudden : Why don't we do like this B747forever, as most of us, me included, is fed up with your own race against time for having the highest total post count,
104 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Man, I can't wait for this season to start. It's been long enough already. Just forty some days till we get to hear one of the most beautiful sounds o
105 Sudden : I'm all with you there. There are many things that I am waiting for, Will Hamilton remain up front? Will Heikki challenge his team mate and frontrunn
106 B747forever : That is a question all F1 fans want a answer to. Will be so interesting to see what will happen in Melbourne. In Melbourne we will get the most answe
107 Cornish : Not neccessarily. Melbourne is a bit of an odd circuit compared to others really - particularly due to a lack of grip. A car that goes well there is
108 Sudden : That is very true as the first race of the season can be very misleading if you chose to predict the season from that race only. Just look at last se
109 Post contains links BA757 : It does indeed look rather cool. I think some of the aero components on the cars look cool - shame that these will probably be gone in the future whe
110 Post contains images Jamesbuk : You're right, Hes just a post-whore and posts nothing of any value except to bump his post count a few notches.. just gets annoying to the extreme re
111 Sudden : I would rather have seen that Klien got a race seat this season, but ok, he will still be in F1 and who knows what happens. I can not see any reason
112 Legoguy : Come on guys, go easy on the young Swede. So far from the testing sessions I've looked at, Honda has taken a step backwards from last year which seems
113 Post contains links Springbok747 : Looks like we won't be having any F1 races in this country after 2010...a real shame. Bernie is acting like a bloody used car salesman. And the Vic go
114 Nosedive : We've given him chances. He didn't take them. Now he's banned b/c he does the same BS all over the place. I did try to off B747 to the NASCAR crowd,
115 Post contains links StealthZ : Maybe not, Ron Walker's response- http://www.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=215130 Bernie's insistance that it be a night race if it stays, well
116 Bill142 : I think a lot of what Bernie is saying is just him manuvering to screw us out of more money. He doesn't really care what's happening while he's getti
117 Post contains links Springbok747 : Isn't Singapore hosting a night race this season..or is that in 2009? I'm afraid Bernie will win this one. Its all about the money..and if India, Rus
118 Flyboysp : I have heard that it will be an 8pm local race start, which would make it a 10pm or 11pm in SYD.
119 Post contains links Legoguy : Lewis Hamilton was the target of racist insults over the weekend while undergoing tests with McLaren Mercedes team at Montmelo near Barcelona, the Spa
120 Jamesbuk : Meh if I was him I wouldnt be too bothered, I would think of it as.. "Ok so Ive got the cars, the money, the dream job, and girls + international sta
121 Legoguy : It's a good way to think about it however trash was also thrown at him as his car left the pits. I think that's slightly harder to ignore, especially
122 BA757 : The FIA are threatening sanctions if this racism continues at the Spanish GP and future tests. This would be a great excuse for axing yet another Eur
123 B747forever : 8 p.m start means a 14:00 GMT start. That is brilliant!!!
124 Post contains links Bill142 : Which will still result in a delayed coverage by Channel 10 because Big In-secure-attention-seeker or Australian I-Don't-Have-Any-Talent run over tim
125 Nosedive : Damn, you're back. Weren't you saying night races sucked? Yes, yes you were. What of the street race? I think it's all hot air. So long as FA is a go
126 Post contains images Flyboysp : Unfortunately . If only the networks could be fined/puinished financially for the constant over time of these "talent shows". Interesting. I would re
127 StealthZ : Mea Culpa.. I did mean if F1 survives A decade, not the decade! Cheers
128 Jamesbuk : See I've always been against mid day/afternoon races - I would prefer for them to be on in the evening, like from 7pm onwards simply because watching
129 Post contains images Cornish : Agreed. I know what you mean - especially as most take place during European summer time. If I've had a long week working in the office, I want to ge
130 B747forever : Yeah, I did say that, but now I have changed my mind!!
131 Jamesbuk : Yeah, the only other thing to do is to record the race, the problem is you only need one friend to text you like "Wow did you see that win by Raikkon
132 B747forever : The same go for me, really great that you can sleep all the day til the GP, instead of getting up in the middle of the night!!!
133 Post contains links and images Scbriml : Certainly not wishing to tar all Spaniards with the same brush, but many of their football supporters are openly racist towards black players when no
134 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64973 Looks like Barcelona and Valencia are at risk now because of the Hamilton Row.
135 Cornish : I don't think for a minute that either Spanish GP are at risk here, but I applaud the FIA (for once) for making it clearly that this sort of thing wi
136 Post contains images Scbriml : But making a noise about it and then not following through (or being as ineffectual as FIFA is on this issue*), sends just as bad a message IMHO. It
137 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Yay another one gets it True, but expect to see much more active crowd control, especially with banners. Honda drivers on the Honda car You actually
138 Post contains images Springbok747 : The ads for that Biggest fatty loser show is driving me nuts. Really..who gives a flying f*ck if some fat slob lost 10 kgs....whoo look at me..I hate
139 Boeing74741R : Was going to ask you that before you posted. Can somebody fill me in as to why it moved from Adelaide in the first place, and is there any scope to m
140 Cornish : Because Melbourne offered more money and got the deal. As i said, I'd be very surprised to see the Spanish races go over this. Certainly McLaren won'
141 Boeing74741R : I think if Alonso was still at McLaren and/or if they were still team-mates he would've spoke out by now, but it's wrong to assume that Alonso condon
142 Legoguy : Am I the only one who thinks that if Alonso spoke out about his concern of the Spanish fans behaviour over the weekend, that this may perhaps be avoid
143 Cornish : Nope you're not alone. Read my posts on the matter above.
144 Post contains links Legoguy : I'm glad I'm not the only one. http://www.topix.net/forum/formula1/...onso/TE3AKQM39BRDT0DIP/p7#lastPost Check out some of the idiotic posts from the
145 BA757 : I don't think it will make a blind bit of difference myself. If you are a racist - you are going to continue to be racist, irregardless of who condem
146 Sudden : Well, Alonso have a superstar status in Spain, so I actually think he should address the public about this. This kind of behaviour is bottom low and
147 BA757 : But - why should that make any difference... hence: Just look at the many examples of racism in the world, someone of importance from said religion f
148 Post contains images Pyh : A little off-topic: Mika Häkkinen and his wife Erja are getting a divorce. Very sad, but not really surprising.
149 Post contains images Sudden : You sure got a point there! But if they now support him that much, it might have some kind of effect if he would raise the issue. Freedom of speech.
150 B747forever : That is always sad. For how long have they been together??
151 Bill142 : It is for anyone outside Finland.
152 Sudden : Apparently too long! Aim for the sky! Sudden
153 StealthZ : From GrandPrix.com If the FIA is willing to put this incident in the past why is the Italian judiciaray so recalcitrant? Or is it political pressure b
154 Bill142 : Aren't the Italians still trying to pursue Williams et al for the death of Ayrton Senna? I know that went on for years.
155 StealthZ : I think the last time they tried, only a couple of years back, they were finally convinced that there was no new evidence. They pursued Colin Chapman
156 Post contains links Sudden : The new Force India has gone public; http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/2/7338.html Will be interesting to see what this business man can do.
157 B747forever : True, maybe he will make F1 "bigger" if Indians now get more interested in F1!!
158 Bill142 : Fisi should have quit rather then trying his luck with an also-ran.
159 Sudden : Eh, and how would he be able to do this? Lets see if you actually can back up what you are writing, for ones. Fisi has done his time in F1, so he sho
160 Legoguy : I think he may bring some well needed experience to the team. Fisichella did drive along side Fernando for several years so he may be able to provide
161 B747forever : Now when a Indian owns a team, and maybe in a few years get a Indian driver and it will be a GP raced in India, we will see more people in India gett
162 Jamesbuk : Well Sudden - India has an Indian team and Kartikeyan is likely to get a seat with either them, or another team soon. Now as India gets bigger in F1
163 B747forever : Thank you for backing me up!!!
164 Bill142 : Oran Park is the worst circuit ever. It would need total re-development. Eastern Creek could hold F1, but it would need a new pit facility since the
165 StealthZ : Now that is a sweeping statement and further than I would go, having been to many meetings there(for nearly 3 decades almost ALL meetings) and seen s
166 Bill142 : I will admit that it has been tarted up in recent years, but it's certainly not an F1 venue. I'd imagine that it's overall length is to short for F1
167 Legoguy : Apparently a rumor has surfaced from a Spanish website that McLaren may be based in the 5th pit garage now rather than the end garage at each grandpri
168 Duff44 : I think Greg Murphy still has the V8 Supercar track record with a high 2:06... so I think an F1 car would be WELL under 2 minutes.
169 Sudden : All with you there. Just wanted to see if the youngster could post a valid post. Aim for the sky! Sudden
170 B747forever : Why would they change?? Really interesting
171 Bill142 : I dunno, some sections of the track may not suit an F1 car very well forcing drivers to go slower around them. The Dipper stands out as one of these
172 StealthZ : Dunno, and doubt we will ever find out. Even without much aero, the F1 cars would still have more grip than a V8 Supercar. Top speed is another thing
173 Cornish : Your talking of "what if" had me thinking about how I'd like an F1 calendar to look. What if we could remove all those identikit circuits, or those t
174 Flyboysp : Perhaps they could add another "The Chase" somewhere down Conrod. You'd pray that there are no Kangaroos when that is happening.
175 StealthZ : Longford perhaps
176 Nosedive : Isn't that track torn up? I believe the grandstands are. Personally, put the OVAL at Indy Motor Speedway on the calendar. Better yet, but the 500 as
177 Sudden : Now your talking! Absurd? Very, but who cares! Let Talladega host an F1 race as well. Not sure if they have an infield track like Indy, but for the s
178 Bill142 : Them too. Look what happened to Christiano Da Matta when he hit a deer in his Champ Car during testing a few years back. And we all saw what happened
179 Francoflier : Interesting idea. Although since F1 cars are designed for a combination of fast cornering/acceleration over top speed, it wouldn't be as impressive a
180 Post contains links Legoguy : The rumor has now spread to the media; http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080213085156.shtml However, despite having all its points ta
181 Scbriml : But why wouldn't all the teams object to being moved down the pits to slot McLaren in higher up? Unless some financial encouragement was made. If McL
182 Legoguy : To be honest, if true, I think all teams would have a right to complain. However it could just be the FIA's way of saying last years punishment hande
183 LTBEWR : I saw a posting on ESPN.com here in the USA that F1-FIA is going to have a program to go after racist behavior at F1 venues. This became an issue duri
184 Post contains links Nosedive : See, the problem with Talladega would be the drivers would probably black out in the corners. See CART's 2001 Texas Motor Speedway problem. Better ye
185 Post contains links B747forever : Seems like the Singapore GP is really popular: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080214123159.shtml
186 Post contains links B747forever : Really like what Fisi says, hope it is true!! http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080215095005.shtml
187 Post contains images BA757 : He drives a car with a Ferrari engine. I wouldn't expect him to say any different.
188 Post contains links and images BA757 : Dennis announces separation from wife McLaren boss Ron Dennis has announced that he is to separate from his wife Lisa after 22 years of marriage. http
189 B747forever : He, he you are for sure right!! Always sad when separations occurs. 22years is really much, sad that it ended like this.
190 Post contains links BlueElephant : Hey all just a question... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41790 Apparently Super Aguri's not going to be at the tests in Barcelona....
191 B747forever : Agree, maybe in about one week!!! It will be really sad if they wont race in F1 anymore.
192 BA757 : No - how about a few days before the race like we always do. Australia ain't till the 16th of March!! I am not too sure I would read too much into it
193 Legoguy : Would be a true shame if they can not financially make it through 2008. There was ment to be 12 teams starting this season. By the end of the season
194 Boeing74741R : I think with Alonso now back at Renault it'll probably be more than just the odd podium position, but we'll see what happens.
195 Nosedive : This is why those under 18 are not allowed to vote in the United States. This is why those over 18 are allowed to vote. Based off what? Jerez? Yeah,
196 Post contains links Legoguy : http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080218142541.shtml Compiled based on the performance of the teams so far at winter tests. Whilst te
197 Bill142 : Look what happened when he joined McLaren. They were nowhere in 2006 and fighting for a championship in 2007. And don't give me that spy saga BS beca
198 Legoguy : As far as I am aware, McLaren were concentrating more on their 2007 car, midway through the 2006 season thus having plenty of development time. Alons
199 Post contains images Sudden : Anyone seen the commercial for the new Fiat with Turbo T-Jet engine? Raikkonen and Schumi, in the same car!? Pretty funny considering......! Aim for
200 Post contains images BlueElephant : So with the Opening race coming up soon, What Car do you like the best. Me Personally I really want the McLaren to perform well..But the design of the
201 Sudden : The BMW is definitely the best looking car on the grid in my opinion. I would like to see Renault back up there as it would make the fight up front mo
202 B747forever : That will be one of the highlights this year!!
203 Post contains images Boeing74741R : I agree. Now that they're at different teams I think the duo (more so from Alonso) will unleash all the anger built up from last year and deliver som
204 Legoguy : I can not see Hamilton winning the season this year. For all we know he may be crap at setting up the McLaren. Hamilton is fast, like Heikki however
205 BlueElephant : They won't make him number one driver, they'll give equal status to their drivers ( or at least they say they will ) And Kova and Hammy will be at ea
206 B747forever : Agree with you two guys, think we will see Kimi win this season too. But it wont be easy. If Renault give a good car to Alonso, think then he will be
207 Sudden : Hamilton will be the runner up, but Kimi has more motivation then ever to keep the crown instead of winning it, and he is now the no. 1 driver, so tha
208 Post contains links B747forever : Kimi and Schumi will test together: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080222150938.shtml Looking forward for that. Exciting to see who
209 StealthZ : I am predicting a timing equipment failure... The Schumi machine will not allow him to be beaten and the Scuderia cannot let it look like their curre
210 Flyboysp : Thats quite possible considering the situation, however i think they will need to make it that obvious. To avoid the issues as you mentioned, i think
211 Post contains links BlueElephant : I don't know What type of testing they were all doing, and what trim they were using, Howver.... Hamilton beat Schumi and Kimi today.. http://en.f1-li
212 B747forever : But hey, the good thing is that Kimi is faster than Shcumi
213 Post contains links B747forever : Have been waiting on this statement from Alonson a long time: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080227130738.shtml Really interesting.
214 Post contains images Scbriml : " target=_blank>http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...shtml I'm sure McLaren were just as happy to see him go. It's difficult not to think he's cut
215 Boeing74741R : And not have to compete with Lewis Hamilton (as a team-mate) and be involved in the **** that surrounded the team last season.
216 Bill142 : If McLaren had just made him the #1 driver none of it would have happened. Ron Dennis pissed away two championships and kept feeding us this equal op
217 Post contains images Boeing74741R : Well said! IIRC Ron Dennis said that he did this with Senna and Prost in the late 80's and it wasn't exactly plain sailing between those two drivers.
218 Jamesbuk : It also happened between Coulthard and Hakkinen... In Coulthards book he recalls a conversation with Ron Dennis where he says something to the effect
219 Boeing74741R : I read that article too. Whether exaggerated or not it doesn't help the team or its drivers if the police investigation is rumbling on in the backgro
220 Post contains links Sudden : And Mclaren strikes back saying..... http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/2/7409.html Aim for the sky! Sudden
221 Bill142 : Could this be the incident at Adelaide in 1995?
222 Egmcman : You are correct to degree but ultimately it depends on what the Mclaren share holders think.
223 Post contains links Bill142 : Williams launch 2008 colours http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65448 Interesting news.. Ron Dennis is rumored to be stepping aside and handi
224 Sudden : When that day will come, there will not be any Williams team anymore either. Or they will simply outlive it. Still, I hope they will be able to chall
225 BA757 : " target=_blank>http://www.autosport.com/news/report...65439 Autosport tend to be quite a reliable source when it comes to "rumors" and "talk". Ron s
226 Boeing74741R : Williams had their glory days in the 90s with the Renault engines, and championship winners in Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill and Jacques VIlleneuve. Sinc
227 BA757 : The issue with BMW was Head & Williams were reluctant to let BMW get 'too involved' with the team. This is clearly one of the reasons why BMW went of
228 Bill142 : They were quite strong during the early 2000's and even an outside chance of winning the 2004 championship being in the fight until the closing stage
229 Post contains images Nosedive : 2003 2004 was the walrus.
230 Bill142 : I liked the walrus, it's a shame it didn't really produce the desired results.
231 Post contains links BlueElephant : Throwing this in here...Looks to be some good info about the changes for the 2008 Season. Part 1 http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080
232 StealthZ : McLaren, have a comprehensive web page about the AGP in Melbourne. With lots of useful information. But, it is not perfect.... From the race history s
233 Post contains links Bill142 : I've started a new thread F1 Season Opener - Australian Grand Prix (by Bill142 Mar 8 2008 in Non Aviation)
234 StealthZ : OK, so if Nige didn't provide all that info why did McLaren lose all those points and the $100M? From GrandPrix.com.. Cheers
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