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1/21/08: Jesse Jackson On UA 1236 ORD-BWI F Class  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Just got home after a quick trip to/from Chicago for the (frigid) weekend and returned on UA 1236 (B752). While waiting at ORD's gate C19, Reverend Jesse Jackson (figurehead of the non-profit Rainbow Coalition/Operation PUSH) sat down directly across from me. When boarding commenced, Rev. Jackson proceeded to the First Class line and promptly boarded without any fanfare. FWIW, he was wearing a Canali suit (runs about $1300+) and, not surprisingly, was met by a driver at BWI.

I suppose that more than anything, I'm wondering how someone that leads a non-profit lobby group lives such a life of luxury? Let the discussion commence...


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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2490 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I suppose that more than anything, I'm wondering how someone that leads a non-profit lobby group lives such a life of luxury?

Two words:

"Special" and "Interests".


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2475 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
I suppose that more than anything, I'm wondering how someone that leads a non-profit lobby group lives such a life of luxury? Let the discussion commence...



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Reverend Jesse Jackson sat down directly across from me.

Maybe you should have asked him since you were so close to him.
It's possible that he was redeeming frequent flier miles. After all, he does live in Chicago which is a United Airlines hub, thus my have lots of miles on United. Who knows? Who cares?
Now if he was really living a luxurious life, he would have hired a private charter jet such as NetJets.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2464 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
When boarding commenced, Rev. Jackson proceeded to the First Class line and promptly boarded without any fanfare.

Ever think he might be a high level elite in MileagePlus, given the amount of flying he does?

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
FWIW, he was wearing a Canali suit (runs about $1300+)



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):

I suppose that more than anything, I'm wondering how someone that leads a non-profit lobby group lives such a life of luxury?

Ever think Rev. Jackson might have more sources of income than his job at the head of the Rainbow Coalition? His low six figure salary there, inline with similar people in similar jobs, pales in comparison to the money he makes for speaking gigs (the same way Bill Clinton earns most of his living) and the money CNN paid him for a decade of hosting his own TV show, money he likely saved and invested.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Criminals seem to be living better and better these days.



User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2418 times:
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My thoughts: The last time he was flying UAUA, he was just awaking from a short rest, and the flight attendant said "You look really nappy, would you like me to come by later on for your meal service?" Don Imus overheard this, and at his advice, United has given him lifetime upgrades to keep him from being the media whore that he is.


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2412 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Criminals seem to be living better and better these days.

He is a crook? Tell me it ain't so




User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 6):
He is a crook? Tell me it ain't so

Interesting you would post the pic of that book because I have read it. Here is an interview with the author of the book and he explains where he got a lot of the information in the book: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27032

Quite revealing and pertinent to this thread is the allegation of how he gets money by extorting the CEO's of large companies by threatening them with frivilous lawsuits that would cost them millions of dollars to defend, and then settles for several hundred thousand dollars. There has to be something to it because that money for the F ticket and the designer suit have to come from somewhere. Very revealing.


Edited for spelling.

[Edited 2008-01-21 17:51:17]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2395 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 7):

Worldnetdaily is just about the worst news source to use when it comes to anything involving civil rights. Kenneth Timmerman isn't any better, given his demonstrated bias.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2396 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 7):
Interesting you would post the pic of that book because I have read it.

My dad gave me the book and I have read it as well. Very good book that is backed up with facts and solid sources.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2380 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
Worldnetdaily is just about the worst news source to use when it comes to anything involving civil rights. Kenneth Timmerman isn't any better, given his demonstrated bias.

Yeah, that's it, shoot it down without even considering the credibility of the sources quoted to write the book.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2380 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
given the amount of flying he does?

That's my point - who pays for him to fly (and dress in $1300 suits)?! Rainbow/PUSH is a non-profit 503b organization...how much does he earn for his services to them? What other business entities is he involved in?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2370 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 10):
shoot it down without even considering the credibility of the sources

The entire source is without credibility.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
Rainbow/PUSH is a non-profit 503b organization...how much does he earn for his services to them?

He makes in the very low 6 figures there, under $200,000 a year, which is commensurate to other people in similar positions.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
who pays for him to fly (and dress in $1300 suits)?!

I am sure he buys his own suits and his flights are paid for based on the work he is doing. Something on behalf of Rainbow will be paid for by Rainbow, a speech will be paid for by the people he is speaking to...

Quoting 777fan (Reply 11):
What other business entities is he involved in?

Did you not read my post? Jackson makes significantly more than his Rainbow salary in all the speaking engagements he does. Further, he had a television show for a decade, which likely paid him significant sums of money and I am sure he didn't just spend the whole load at once.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2357 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
The entire source is without credibility.

What do you mean "source" (singular)? The book being discussed in the interview (which you obviously didn't read) was written using many different sources, among them some with infallible credentials and with nothing to gain by revealing the information they shared for the book. Do yourself a favor and read the book.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2350 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 13):

What do you mean "source" (singular)?

The source (singular) of that book is Kenneth Timmerman, someone who has time and time again demonstrated significant bias in his writings. Further, the whole interview itself isn't being done from an unbiased point of view, rather to push toward Timmerman and WND's conclusion.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4383 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Oh, come on N1120A. You can't possibly believe Jackson is anything other than an opportunist crook who is a parasite to civil rights movements.

My wake up call for this was awhile back when he threatened to come protest the firing of Packer's coach Ray Rhodes. Total attention whore concerned for himself above all else.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 15):
Oh, come on N1120A. You can't possibly believe Jackson is anything other than an opportunist crook who is a parasite to civil rights movements.

I disagree. While I do think Jackson does some things that are a bit off at times, I think it is more him being worried about lost relevance at a time where civil rights are overlooked more and more. I don't, however, see him as a crook.



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User currently offlineHuskyAviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2299 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
The source (singular) of that book is Kenneth Timmerman, someone who has time and time again demonstrated significant bias in his writings. Further, the whole interview itself isn't being done from an unbiased point of view, rather to push toward Timmerman and WND's conclusion.

It seems to me that you're couching Jackson as a victim of the very same tactics that he himself uses to achieve "results."


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 17):
It seems to me that you're couching Jackson as a victim of the very same tactics that he himself uses to achieve "results."

At least Jackson is upfront about where he is coming from and not trying to pass himself off as an unbiased news source  Wink



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2265 times:



Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 17):
It seems to me that you're couching Jackson as a victim of the very same tactics that he himself uses to achieve "results."

 redflag 

N112OA simply stated how Rev. Jessie Jackson makes his money and how flying first class and wearing a $1300 suit isn't all that decadent for someone of his income and stature. That is what 777fan was asking in the first place. This thread was not about whether or not you like Jessie Jackson. Those who can't stay on topic chimed in with pictures that had nothing to do with 777fan's question.
Besides, $1300 isn't all that expensive for a suit if you have ever been in the market for a suit. Suits can run much, much higher than $1300.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Superfly, don't bother. Certain people just simply can't resist an opportunity to say something negative about Jesse Jackson. I think he's more relevant to these certain people than he is to the average Black person.


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4383 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2253 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Certain people just simply can't resist an opportunity to say something negative about Jesse Jackson. I think he's more relevant to these certain people than he is to the average Black person.

Oh, this should be goooood. Please, go on.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2252 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
I think he's more relevant to these certain people than he is to the average Black person.

 checkmark 
You can say that again.



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User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2180 times:



Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):

I suppose that more than anything, I'm wondering how someone that leads a non-profit lobby group lives such a life of luxury? Let the discussion commence...

In Singapore we have a National Kidney Foundation which runs on charities, though once I think the Chairman or CEO was getting his bathroom replaced, and as the carpenter saw what sort of home he has, he made it clear to Singapore that he is cheating those who donate it. He was put into jail, but I don't know how long and the higher committee I think most were fired (If a Singapore Anutter can confirm). They took a real beating in terms of donation after that, but I will be honest I never donated there because I donate my money through my school which I know where it is going to (I mean more specifically)


User currently offlineGunships From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2176 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 15):
an opportunist crook who is a parasite to civil rights movements.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 15):
concerned for himself above all else.

 yes 

Reminds me of something I've read regarding consultants..."If you can't provide a solution, there's money to be made in prolonging the problem."


25 Post contains links 777fan : Found an interesting (but somewhat dated - 2001) article from the Washington Times regarding JJJ's income and spending. It more or less confirms some
26 Mt99 : Was he wearing it inside out? How else would you see the tag? Did he still have the price tag attached to it? We can ask out good friends at the 700
27 ORFflyer : From a non-vet - I too applaud that FA, and the current and former military members on that plane, and everywhere around the world. They're the reaso
28 Post contains images Queso : Well-said, ORFflyer. Me too. I have no problem with that. Do it! Good article. Unfortunately, some people will still choose to wear their blinders th
29 Mt99 : I was holding back.. but .. what the heck! Can you list me a few of these "freedoms" please. Thanks
30 Post contains links Queso : Here are a "few" of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
31 Mt99 : LOL.. Thanks for the morning chuckle... How many other countries have similar "freedoms"?
32 Queso : How many other countries have them specified in their constitution?
33 Mt99 : I dunno. I asked first.. But anyway here is my intent with this discussion. How much is being "paid" in terms of lives, military spending, ruined glo
34 Queso : Many (most) of those other countries enjoy their freedoms because of the price paid by Americans. But this entire line of discussion is off-topic.
35 Miamiair : JJ is a focal point or a lightning rod. Whether he flies first, coach or as baggage, so what? Much of the criticism he receives is deserved.
36 Mt99 : Yea. I agree.I apologize for derailing
37 Post contains images ORFflyer : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ights Thanks Queso.
38 Slider : Being a poverty pimp ain't easy! The "Reverend" $hakedown knows how to work the crowd.
39 AirCop : Boy this tread was much ado about nothing! Why does it matter where he was seating on the plane and what he was wearing? (Besides I doubt more than 10
40 Post contains links Queso : Yeah. Source: http://www.nlpc.org/gip/cef-e/e-h.htm JESSE JACKSON INC. Organizations and revenue affiliated with Jesse Jackson: PEOPLE UNITED TO SERV
41 Tom in NO : Think for a minute about who he, more often than not, addresses himself and his comments to (not about)..... Tom at MSY
42 D L X : How does that make him relevant to the average Black person? The average Black person doesn't care much about what he's up to these days. You should
43 Aerofan : So what if he is extorting the CEOs? Aren't these CEOs doing their own extortion. And have they not being doing so form day 1. All a bunch of crooks.
44 Post contains links 777fan : Since you so brazenly asked, I'll explain (it's pretty easy to follow if you've ever worn a suit before): he took his jacket off and laid it over his
45 Post contains images Confuscius : Perhaps it was on sale at Marshall's. Who knows... As for mugshots, they're almost a badge of honor to civil rights leaders. Rosa Parks Martin Luther
46 102IAHexpress : OMG! A black man sitting in First Class. What has the world come to? Only in the non-av forum, is flying UA domestic first class and wearing a Canali
47 Post contains images Superfly : Which begs the question why 777fan started this thread when he could have just taken the four seconds to Google the man's background, he could've fig
48 Post contains links Queso : AFAIK, this is the first thread 777fan has ever started concerning Jesse Jackson, so I doubt there is any "infatuation". He's a controversial public
49 Mt99 : Your description of the events is pretty good. Why would you think that wearing a suit before would have enhanced my understanding of the situation?
50 ANCFlyer : No long, I'm sure . . . . Jesse Jackson isn't a moron . . . . look, he's flying F everywhere wearing a $1500 suit. Can't possibly be a moron. He is h
51 D L X : Was it priceless because it was a man you hate? What if you or I had left the ticket in the seatback of the plane you just got off of? Would you be o
52 Miamiair : Doesn't work that way. A "great" many years ago being the operative word; the ticket is a negotiable instrument. So in essence, the airline had to pu
53 Airfoilsguy : Why should the gate agent have to waste her time because you couldn't keep track of a simple ticket. It works both ways. Its easy, don't lose your ti
54 ANCFlyer : NO - I don't hate him, I think he's a racist, attention/media whore felon, but I don't hate him. It was PRICELESS seeing him get his ass handed to hi
55 N1120A : Since when is Jesse Jackson a convicted felon?
56 Queso : First of all, I looked over the thread again and I don't see anyone saying that they "hate" Jesse Jackson, or anyone else for that matter. Second, wh
57 N1120A : Pat Robertson is indefensible I defend her all the time. She just needs to be left alone.
58 Queso : By some people's measure, so is Jesse Jackson. By some people's measure, so does Pat Robertson.
59 Post contains images Superfly : Queso: You need to come out with your own YouTube clip wearing lots of make up and crying screaming LEAVE PAT ROBERTSON ALONE! Certainly a lot of tit
60 Post contains images D L X : Excuse me? "Babbling?" Tone down your rhetoric, moderator. You were off topic, and I responded. We need not go further off topic, or do you disagree?
61 Queso : Why? I'm not the one jumping on top of a table, pointing at people and screaming "You hate Jesse Jackson". With reference to Pat Robertson, I'm sure
62 D L X : Sorry. I couldn't think of another rational reason that you guys give him so much attention. Maybe it's actually because you love him. You're right.
63 Queso : I'm sorry, due to increased scrutiny and warnings by moderators I am not able to respond to the user who posted Reply #62 out of concern of being bann
64 Superfly : No one here is jumping on top of a table and pointing fingers in this thread. However, you have made more post in this thread than any other member a
65 Post contains images Queso : Another gentle reminder- I did not start this thread. What's off-topic with responding to 777fan's OP.. with... ??? The thread progressed (not by my
66 Superfly : But you had more to say then the thread starter. Also, of the other Jessie Jackson threads, your post are all through those threads too. The whole wo
67 Post contains images ANCFlyer : here we go with this - again Jesse on a plane is the topic. Jesse at the airport was the thrust of my post. Two encounters by two A-Netters with the
68 D L X : No it's not. Did you answer the OP's question? I'm just saying... My opinion is that people should practice what they preach.
69 Airfoilsguy : OK all you Jackson flag wavers, what GOOD has the reverend accomplished for America?
70 777fan : If you ever see one for sale at Marshall's, buy one for yourself and then give me a call! I'll be right over there to buy up the rest of the rack. Su
71 Post contains images Superfly : 777fan: I fly out of that gate often as well. I was born & raised in the Chicagoland area and Chicago is my second home. Now living in San Francisco,
72 Post contains images Queso : As are yours, which appear to outnumber mine by a large margin. Your point? I don't know him personally, I can only judge him by what I see of his ma
73 102IAHexpress : If you were to ask that same ignorant question to Spc. Steven M. Gonzales, Staff Sgt. Christopher J. Stone, and Staff Sgt. Andrew A. Ramirez, who wer
74 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : OK, sure he was the ONLY reason they were released. Calm down and have a cup of Kool-aid on me.
75 777fan : If that were the case, I wouldn't have wasted the time explaining why I started the thread in the first place. If this were a "I saw Pat Robertson on
76 Post contains images Superfly : Yep. If you can't see it, that is your problem. I'd expected you to have better comprehension skills but I guess not. Once again, all of your questio
77 Queso : What "facts" have you presented? All I have seen from you is attacks on other users. You know, I'd really like to "just leave it at that", but that's
78 Post contains images Superfly : When did I ever call anyone a "racist" in this thread? Attack?!?!?! You are very sensitive. Do you need a hug?
79 Post contains images Queso : Can I get it from one of the fine ladies I've seen you photographed with? Sorry, I'm not your type!
80 D L X : I looked over the thread again, and I don't see any post where you called another user a racist, or anyone else for that matter.
81 Post contains images Superfly : Queso was hoping that I would and it never happened.
82 Queso : Comprehension skills mean zilch if you can't read... Now you're resorting to putting words in my mouth?
83 Superfly : Obviously you can't do neither.
84 Post contains images Confuscius : Sorry, but my 30 year old leisure suit will suffice. What I gather from this thread is that you and the reverend have the same taste when it comes to
85 Post contains links 777fan : I posted the topic because I figured that someone else might have seen him on an aircraft, in an airport, etc., or may know more about how he gets ar
86 Post contains images Queso : Now THAT's funny! OK Fly, your battle of semantics has now been lost, you can throw in the towel. I made my point in this thread and I stand behind i
87 Superfly : You're the one who ask the question in the first place. You are the thread starter. The only reason I got on your case was because of your smart @ss
88 N1120A : I am STILL waiting for anyone to tell me why Mr. Jackson is a convicted felon. I have seen no evidence to that effect. How is making a salary commensu
89 Superfly : Queso threw in the towel long ago. Good luck in getting a straight answer out of him.
90 777fan : Not blocked, but tracked. Anything not related to work (i.e.: searches for JJJ's sources of income) is reported and can lead to a reprimand. Time is
91 N1120A : They still have to pay their people to keep them there. While most are willing to take a cut to work in the sector, they aren't going to take such a
92 777fan : I understand that (I've done plenty of work for the Red Cross) but the some of the numbers being dropped in the articles I was able to find (some of
93 Post contains images Confuscius : what GOOD has the reverend accomplished for America? At the White House in 1984. BTW, is that Levar Burton?[Edited 2008-01-24 18:28:10]
94 N1120A : Mr. Jackson earns in the very low 6 figures ($120-150,000) in salary from Rainbow. As I have said at least 3 times now, that is normal for someone in
95 Post contains images Superfly : Actually you are confusing me with your boy Queso. I just called him out on his B.S. Do it away from work then. I certainly would have if you weren't
96 Post contains links PSA53 : Overall,the thread seems to be question about Jackson's use of funds or self indulgence of those funds.I'm surprised other charities haven't been ment
97 Queso : Fly, you really need to be reading what other people post! I never said he was a convicted felon, I said he's a criminal. And in reflection, I will c
98 D L X : That wasn't in response to you, but rather to ANCflyer who called him a felon in Reply 54.
99 Airfoilsguy : And what did he accomplish there?
100 Post contains links and images Confuscius : I was kidding. NO, that's not LeVar Burton, but Lt. Robert Goodman (USN). His A-6 Intruder was shot down over Lebanon (the pilot was killed, I think)
101 N1120A : Take a look at 777fan's posts that I was replying to. He implied that Jackson was somehow fleecing his organization, or taking some sort of outlandis
102 777fan : Yeah, and I credited you for that in reply 89. It would have, had someone else noteworthy been on UA1236 with me last Monday. Okay, so working on the
103 Superfly : See my first post (reply #2). It's possible that he doesn't fly that route 1st class every time.[Edited 2008-01-25 12:43:00]
104 N1120A : One, that isn't a conservative estimate. Two, I have already pointed out that he has other sources of income.
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