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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1366 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

"Bulgaria's abandoned children", a BBC 4 documentary about an orphanage in the Bulgarian town of Mogilino has caused some uproar in Belgium, after being broadcasted here. The documentary shows how neglected children are being treated in inhumane conditions. The children, often handicapped, suffering from the Down syndrome, are mal-nourished, sometimes have to sit for hours on the pot just to avoid getting a new diaper, and suffer from infections, that aren't treated. The case has even lead to a parliament hearing of the Bulgarian ambassador. Later this week, a delegation of Belgian parliament members are traveling to Bulgaria to verify the situation in the orphanages, and to see what can be done. For those interested in the docu, you can see it online here (not for an easily disturbed audience). These images remind me of those gruesome pictures coming out of Romania right after Ceausescu was driven from power...

I think it's great to see how TV can sometimes make a difference and put things in motion. At the same time, it's shocking to realise these things are still happening in the EU.


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting Bwest (Thread starter):
I think it's great to see how TV can sometimes make a difference and put things in motion.

This is what the media does best! Thanks for the story.Hope these kids get the attention they need quick.I won't see the video,at this time, as it is hard for me to comprehend the hate and the neglect that has been done to these kids.



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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5004 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1741 times:



Quoting Bwest (Thread starter):
The children, often handicapped, suffering from the Down syndrome, are mal-nourished, sometimes have to sit for hours on the pot just to avoid getting a new diaper, and suffer from infections, that aren't treated.

Many of them don't even have a mental handicap: blind kids, who never learned how to speak (!), never left their rooms (!) since arriving at the institution. Many of them have normal intelligence, yet never receive any form of education. Most of them are in the institution because someone labeled them 'unfit to be educated', often without even a second opinion, and without specialists even having come near the children.

Several were physically abused at the institution, by someone with a history of violence, and with the full knowledge of the management. The documentary is indeed truly shocking, and the uproar is indeed well justified. I hear there was a similar uproar in the UK when the documentary was shown there for the first time. To realise that Bulgaria is actually in the EU makes you wonder how much the standards for EU membership were dropped...

BTW, you can see the entire original BBC documentary (in English) here:
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/video/videoPlayer.aspx?videoId=885


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Orphanages in general are not happy places. These extreme cases get much publicity (as they should!), but we should remember that even in "good" orphanages where there is relatively little neglect and abuse, enormous proportions of children fall significantly behind developmentally, begin to self-sooth (including self harm), and cannot form loving bonds or learn the value of genuine relationships--so they instead learn to manipulate and lie compulsively, and often later turn to petty crime, drugs, etc. Working with orphanage kids can be exhilarating but often heartbreaking.

Fixing the conditions in certain orphanages shouldn't lull people into thinking that everything is dandy. In an ideal world, people wouldn't have kids they couldn't care for. But given that that will never be the case, it would be great if more people would adopt--including fertile couples. The world is full of kids who need love.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26787 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1604 times:



Quoting Bwest (Thread starter):
At the same time, it's shocking to realise these things are still happening in the EU.

Makes me think that some countries were still not ready to join the EU !!! This kind of stuff cannot be tolerated in EU states and is a major breech of human rights. The EU should seriously consider sanctions and holding back economic funds until things change !!!

I was also shocked to see this on tonights news ::::


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1302235,00.html

Children Trafficked For 'Large-Scale Theft'
By Paul Brennan
Sky News reporter
Updated:19:47, Thursday January 24, 2008

Police have smashed an Eastern European gang that trafficked children from Romania and used them as pickpockets and thieves in London's West End.
-----------------------

Thank god British police have freed these children.


User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1589 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Makes me think that some countries were still not ready to join the EU !!! This kind of stuff cannot be tolerated in EU states and is a major breech of human rights.The EU should seriously consider sanctions and holding back economic funds until things change !!!

Maybe it's a good thing these countries are in the EU. Now they don't only have to deal with their own public opinion, they have to deal with that one in 24 other countries. I think this is an occasion for the EU to shine and to show its true power. The EU should sent out the message that these situations are intolerable in member states of the union. But the EU should also let the country know that the other member states are there to help, to bring up child support to acceptable standards.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26787 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1550 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 5):
I think this is an occasion for the EU to shine

Hmm actions speak louder than words!!!

Quoting Bwest (Reply 5):
But the EU should also let the country know that the other member states are there to help, to bring up child support to acceptable standards.

Well maybe the person who is in charge of the welfare of children in the EU should set up an emergency task force and funding to get a team out to Bulgaria ASAP to help these kids....I mean there is so much money going to Bulgaria from EU grants to build roads and other things but this needs to be given priority and its totally embarrassing and unbelievable .

Quoting Bwest (Thread starter):
sometimes have to sit for hours on the pot just to avoid getting a new diaper

I cant even express my anger at this above comment. Its not neglect its pure child abuse.....


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6374 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1534 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 5):
Now they don't only have to deal with their own public opinion, they have to deal with that one in 24 other countries.

"24 other countries"???

Last time I counted the EU countries there were 27 including Bulgaria. What two EU countries do not have an oppinion?  Confused

A couple of years ago France and the Netherlands made a good attempt to leave the EU. But as far as I know it never happened.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1482 times:
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Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
What two EU countries do not have an oppinion?

does Luxembourg ever have an opinion on anything ? I believe they consider having opinions to be too controversial , it could interfere with the process of making oodles of cash , and maybe Slovenia have excused themselves from having any opinions while they hold the chair  Big grin


Seriously though , while I think that maybe the last two additions in particular where not quite ready for the EU the fact remains that they are members - I agree that somewhere in the vast mountain of EU bureacracy there must be some facility for trying to sort this out - pressure is good but it only works so far , especially if the country does not have money to deal with the problem - it seems sometimes like the EU throws money at any number of questionable things - perhaps they could do something useful with it instead - though obviously it would have to be tightly controlled to ensure that the money did actually benefit these children instead of being siphoned off by corrupt officials



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1366 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1458 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
Last time I counted the EU countries there were 27 including Bulgaria. What two EU countries do not have an oppinion?

Apologies, still had the number 25 in my head... Last two to join were indeed Romania and... Bulgaria on january 1st '07.

(still, are the Brits really in the Union?  Wink )



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26787 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1431 times:



Quoting Bwest (Reply 9):
(still, are the Brits really in the Union? )

Well seeing as the United Kingdom is still one of the major contributors in money to the Union then I guess they are more of a member than alot of others .  Wink


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