What I find interesting is that Rudy had Florida excusivley to himself for the past two months. The more he exposed himself to Florida voters, the more he turned the voters off.
I find it comical to see how confident some of his supporters were.
posted Fri Jan 4 2008
Wishful thinking. Huckabee has no shot at winning anything. Rudy will win and actually do something.
It's going to be Rudy against Hillary pal, and Rudy will win.
Hillary would be a disaster which is why she will be losing to Rudy this November,
Will Rudy throw in the towel tonight or wait until he gets a Super-Tuesday Super-buttwhiping?
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
I can't believe he actually believed he had a chance of winning. Not competing until Florida was one of the most foolish things I've seen a cadidate do in a long time. And then he said he could win Florida? Ha! There aren't THAT many rich retired New York Jews in Florida, pally.
TomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
Quoting Superfly (Thread starter): What I find interesting is that Rudy had Florida excusivley to himself for the past two months. The more he exposed himself to Florida voters, the more he turned the voters off.
Well, Superfly, you might be right, but it also might be that he had the wrong political strategy and circumstances otherwise really. Rudy is going to lose votes if voters feel he does not have a reasonable chance of winning.
He was also nailed on the Bernie Kerik issue...but its not as if the Clintons (for example) don't have half a dozen cronies that got in trouble either. And lets remember, Bill Clinton himself was probably a failed candidate as well without Ross Perot in the race. Again, circumstances and a stalking horse.
Its not simply the "Florida voters" either. Rudy is a fiscal conservative but not, in broad terms, a social conservative. Not a standard Republican candidate. ... How do you suppose the "Florida voters" (republicans) would have welcomed an Obama or a Clinton? Now we'd probably be getting more to that "turned off" zone..
Quoting TomTurner (Reply 6): How do you suppose the "Florida voters" (republicans) would have welcomed an Obama or a Clinton? Now we'd probably be getting more to that "turned off" zone..
I agree. That was a stupid decision by the DNC to bar Florida and Michigan.
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 5): There aren't THAT many rich retired New York Jews in Florida, pally.
Most of those voters are Democrats anyway.
Quoting Mir (Reply 3): Yeah, the nation has learned what NYC already knew - Rudy is not presidential material.
It's not too often that good news comes out of Florida.
Image and perception is everything in politics. Going purely by the numbers, Rudy had the right idea. However, you can't just entirely skip out on the first 6 primaries and focus on one state.
What a idiot.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
Rudy is not qualified to be president. He didn't have that great a track record in NYC, and, whether you like it or not, he campaigned on two things: him being "America's Mayor", because of being in NYC during 9/11, and "lower taxes.". People are tired of being reminded about 9/11, and people are smart enough to realize that simply lowering taxes won't solve all our woes.
I wa pretty sure he'd flame out once the bright glare of a national campaign shone on him, and I was right-he wasn't up to being on that stage.
Now, it's John McCain's nomination to win or lose.
Pope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12): Rudy is not qualified to be president. He didn't have that great a track record in NYC, and, whether you like it or not, he campaigned on two things: him being "America's Mayor", because of being in NYC during 9/11, and "lower taxes.". People are tired of being reminded about 9/11, and people are smart enough to realize that simply lowering taxes won't solve all our woes.
And yet, he has run bigger governmental and non-governmental organizations than either HRC or OBL.
Tell me again, what makes Hillary or Obama for that matter qualified to be president? I take it from your signature line that you're an Obama supporter. Remind us, what makes him Presidential? What has he run? What has he accomplished? What exactly is his experience in or out of government?
OBL in fact ducked most of the hard votes when he was in the IL legislature - I think the number was something like 120+ votes. Say what you want about the existing President but at least he didn't duck the hard issues. The President of the United States doesn't get to vote "Present" when there's a hard issue before him. He doesn't get to say, I'll show up but not take a position.
So before you attack Rudy's qualifications, I think you should be able to point to specific qualifications in the candidates you support that distinguish him or her from the person you are criticizing - if not you're just being hypocritical.
Mike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1467 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13): Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
He didn't have that great a track record in NYC
You kidding? He turned the city around. My God say what you want about his Pres campaign but he was a hell of a mayor and did a ton for NYC, and I don't mean 9/11 either.
Like the man or not he did clean up NYC from a crime ridden city to a somewhat respectable metropolis or at least got the credit for it. He was responsible for putting away some crime families as well. Having said that if anyone has not lived in NYC when Giuliani was mayor you wouldn't know much about him or what he has done as mayor other than what the nation already knows is 9/11 and lowering taxes.
Does this mean I was rooting for the guy? Absolutely not. He was a good mayor but not a strong candidate for the Republican Ticket.
I didn't think he had much of a chance at the white house with the baggage in his past
Stratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12): Rudy is not qualified to be president. He didn't have that great a track record in NYC,
He didn't?? Well I used to live in NJ and remember Koch and Dinkins. I kind of liked Koch because he is likeable but he was lame and don't even get me started on that loser Dinkins. Rudy like Cfalk aluded to in a previous post had to do some unpopular things but I can now drive through the lincoln tunnel into NYC and not "squeege men" extorting money from me every damn day. Rudy did clean up that city no matter how you slice it. as for 9/11 I didn't see that he did anything all that special. In fact I turned against him once when he backed Mario Cuomo for Gov of NY but that is another story. Who of them is qualified to run for pres? Obama? ...Well if McCain winds up being the nominee I for one have real issues with his immigration stand and getting together with old Teddie Kennedy. But any democrat that gets in is going to go soft on that issue anyway.
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: Haha. If that were so, 99% of people from this forum could then run against and beat you. Now THAT is saying something!
: Seems like the latter. Hey Superfly, I left this messsage on a FOX News website article on Rudy Guiliani dropping out and endorsing John McCain. Of c
: George W Bush ....with him being the BIG FAT ZERO he is.... either of the two you mentioned above, (plus McCain) would weigh in as a 3 out of 10 at t
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: I for a while had the impression that Mr Giuliani always talked about his 9-11 topic AND about terrorism. And I can understand that people are gettin
: I knew Rudy was a bad choice from day one.. He was mayor of New York City so it isn't a question of IF he has mob ties, it was just an issue of how de
: Sorry. It was completely unintended. It was late and I wasn't paying attention.
: Could not the same be said about Clinton and Kennedy before they became presidential candidates, I seem to have read something like that.
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: - Possibly not so much about Clinton who had governed a US state, but in case of JFK it was a fact that JFK would have lost without the women, as the
: Yeah, rules are stupid things that just get in the way of everybodies fun!
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: On top of that ACM, those folks are Democrats, and were shut out of the primary.
: Guiliani never had a chance to get the nomination. He was from NY City, A Yankee fan, too liberal for the Republican base, overplayed 9/11, is into hi
: Now dont go upsetting the apple cart Pope. I dont mind admitting that I was supporting Rudy , I still think he is the best candidate on the ticket ei
: Check your sources, Bubba and Kennedy where definately more known than Obama. You got to get out of that vacuum your living in dude.
: Seriously Nik.. 99% of this forum could run against, and beat YOU... I can't speak for how many of us could beat Hillary though.
: While he did truly provide a rousing but steady presence in the wake of the attacks, it was a case of.....someone had to. No doubt he did a lot to imp
: I think you're right about JFK. His family was already well know. But I know for a fact the WJC wasn't very well known. I was a Congressional intern
: Just poking some fun. . . Perhaps the two parties are indeed too close to each other
: I'll give you two this.. you got balls to step out there and predict... Just in the last year, Rudy went from 1st to out. Fred Thompson went from no
: Grow up. You can say that again. Yet they are the once that get busted with some of the most lewd acts; airport bathroom stalls, Congressional pages,
: It seems to me that Giuliani went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public, thus proving P.T. Barnum once and for all wrong. The
: Yeah, democratic politicos would never do anything like that. I was never a Giuliani supporter, he talks smart but doesn't act it in real life. But L
: Airliners.net's most staunch conservative is asking me to show sympathy for Rudy? Cry me a river.
: Nope, as usual you have incorrectly read the post.
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: - I am far from certain about some aspects. So there the questions : - > to what extent is/was Mr Giuliani seen as a New Yorker ? > how much is New Yo
: No I read it correctly. I know exactly what you are saying.
: I don't. As far as I'm concerned, the "Deep South" stops around MCO.
: Title of thread: Rudy Supporters, Time To Start Eating Crow Evidently not.
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: You mean that north of MCO is Deep South, connected to Georgia and Alabama, while south of MCO is Latin America ?
: It really is kind of sad that Americans have rejected a candidate like Rudy. His views seem to me to be pretty straight down the middle. He is a good