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Your Auto Driving Skills On Ice And Snow  
User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Please check the choice(s) that best describes your car driving skills on icy roads if any.

x The only ice I ever see is when or if I clean the far back of the fridge
x my insurance has been cancelled already so I really can't tell
x my partner actually does the all the difficult driving for me
x my wheels has like P,N,D,1,2 so there's no need for asking
x I have a preference for a certain lane on downhill roads
x I spinned once and I'll never try again
x I'm an excellent driver
x I have a team of mechanics work for me so go away

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User currently offlineFly747 From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2169 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x I'm an excellent driver

 devil 

....as most people think of themselves.

Ivan



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

One day while coming home from work a light snow began just dusting the road with its icy goodness. I was driving down a road with a steep hill (that I knew better than to drive on) and about a 1/3 of the way down began to lose control. Bumped my right front against the curbed and regained control for a second but I always panicked slammed on the brakes and locked up (No ABS) and spun, hitting my left rear wheel on the curb at the bottom of the hill. All told I broke a wheel and hub/strut assembly.

For the next winter I made sure I had winter tires (Nokian WRs -- figured the Finns know a thing or two about driving in snow and ice) on my car and was more careful about where/when I drove when the roads were less than ideal. Then I moved someplace warmer.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

I slid in the ditch twice: 1976 and 2000. Other than that, no weather troubles related to driving. There have been several times where the car has been snowed in under 4 feet of snow the driveway. Those are times when you don't even try the drive anywhere.

[Edited 2008-01-30 10:10:41]

User currently offlineAndrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x I'm an excellent driver

Andrej


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2136 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x The only ice I ever see is when or if I clean the far back of the fridge
x my insurance has been cancelled already so I really can't tell
x my partner actually does the all the difficult driving for me
x my wheels has like P,N,D,1,2 so there's no need for asking
x I have a preference for a certain lane on downhill roads
x I spinned once and I'll never try again
x I'm an excellent driver
x I have a team of mechanics work for me so go away

You forgot the North American standard
x I have a 4x4 SUV and am therefore capable of still cruising at 130 Km/H in the fast lane on the snowiest/iciest of days.

WrenchBender



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2136 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I slid in the ditch twice: 1976 and 2000. Other than that, no weather troubles related to driving. There have been several times where the car has been snowed in under 4 feet of snow the driveway. Those are times when you don't even try the drive anywhere.

Yes sir. There are few things in life that are more entertaining than a good proper midwestern snowstorm, where you don't have to be anywhere for a few days, there's a nice big stack of oak logs near the door, the fridge is well stocked, and you have....ahem....frisky female companionship.

Haven't been in the ditch since 1984. I was driving a Ford Econoline down snowy Airport Highway in Toledo Ohio and a strong gust of wind blew me right into the ditch. The AAA wrecker service was right across the street, so I wasn't even late for dinner.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I slid in the ditch twice: 1976 and 2000.

Me too - once in 1976 when I had my license for only a few months. Fortunately for me, my Dad was pretty good about it, as the only damage was a transmission linkage.

The second time was in 1978 headed out to a party weekend in Blacksburg. We were stopped on a hill waiting for an accident to be cleared at the bottom - I was talking to a Police Officer out the window, and just started sliding down the hill. Pretty hairy for a couple seconds as I figured I wasn't going to stop until I hit the cars at the bottom. Fortunately, I slid into the ditch without any damage.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

x I'm an excellent driver


Except for about 3 weeks ago my truck wouldn't start and I took the mustang instead. Well 15 minutes later I went into a ditch. 4x4 sure spoils you.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

I enjoy driving on snow and ice. It's fun to do controlled drifts and slides without wincing at how much you are shredding your tires. I once stuffed a car in those conditions about 20 years ago (down a steep icy hill in a FWD Golf - not the ideal car if you want to be able to steer), and I think I've learned a bit since then.

Of course the most important element are the tires. Summer tires turn into slicks in the cold, and so-called "all-weather" tires are a joke - neither good for summer or winter. Winter tires make a huge difference - to the point that you are constantly looking in your mirrors because your braking distances are a fraction of the guy's behind you.

But whenever we have a good layer of snow on the roads when I wake up in the morning, I find whatever excuse I can to get in the car and go for a drive before any snowplows come by and ruin it.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2115 times:



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
FWD Golf - not the ideal car if you want to be able to steer

My sister had one of those. I was surprised how that thing was so hard to control. Once you lost traction, it was too late. It wanted the ditch. But the damned thing, when it wanted to, would punch through drifts like a hot knife through a mother in law.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

[x The only ice I ever see is when or if I clean the far back of the fridge
x my wheels has like P,N,D,1,2 so there's no need for asking
x I'm an excellent driver

My car also has a snow button on the automatic gear box, I don't know what it does - maybe it melts all the snow, I have no idea. I've only had to drive in something resembling snow once in 7 years, and before that probably only twice in my whole life. Snow is best only for enhancing the view out the window - not for actually being in.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Not too good.




Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

I am an excellent driver, but last March after a pretty hefty snowfall, I slid off the road, almost hit a telephone pole, and then slammed into a snow-covered pile of cinders. I have a 2006 Elantra, only 4 months old at the time and I caused $800 worth of damage to the fender because of that! I was only doing 20-25 in a posted 40mph zone!! AARGH!!  banghead 

Thank goodness for my auto insurance. I only had to pay a fraction of that, and they gave me a rental car while my car was being fixed.  Smile



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2093 times:



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
Winter tires make a huge difference - to the point that you are constantly looking in your mirrors because your braking distances are a fraction of the guy's behind you.

After spinning my car and doing the next winter w/ proper winter tires I became a believer. And not only do you have to be watching your mirrors to make sure nobody is riding your ass, but it is almost equally strange to be in a situation where you have more traction than visibility. Which can happen a lot in a decent snowfall. It is almost cool to feel your car step out of line just slightly and then feel the tires bite again.


That said where I live now I don't really need em, but what I have a still very usable in summer and should last me plenty long. But they are a little smushy/squirmy which is the trade off. I'd prefer something firmer overall now. Would help the ride/handling and fuel economy a bit on my car.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

I'm a snowplow driver, so I'd best be pretty proficient at it.

When I'm not in the plow I don't have a car, but, if I'm ever at my parents place they both have 4x4 SUV's, so I'm not bad in them either.


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2077 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
Nokian WRs

I luckily live well out of the vulcanizing odour zone of the Nokian factory, not long ago they were a division of Nokia the comms & computer company.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
Of course the most important element are the tires.

I think it's actually the guy or girl located between the wheel and the seat that makes or breaks it.

I should classifiy myself as the "darn excellent driver", a tick I wisely reserved for myself. I've missed all the marvellous opportunities to ditch or wreck, and you'd barely guess the young chap in the driver's licence I carry with me is me. Today is a good example, it was slippery as it possibly could be, there were three children to fall and injure themselves in the daycare group of our young one today with someone actually taken to the doctor which is exceptional.
I just sped away in my ancient heavy back-wheel driven car whose icing on the cake is those Italian-made studded tires that have the brand "Stunner" written on their sides


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2059 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x I'm an excellent driver

Only went off road once and that was without damage to the car ('89 Cadillac Brougham). Heading down the mountain at slow speed, I hit a patch of black ice and spun 180 degrees. A fellow with a 4x4 and stout rope pulled me back up on the pavement without any difficulty.



"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2057 times:



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 17):
A fellow with a 4x4 and stout rope pulled me back up on the pavement without any difficulty.

I believe this is the video.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSkywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2052 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
The only ice I ever see is when or if I clean the far back of the fridge

Checkin' in from Central Texas here. 'Nuff said! Big grin If one snowflake falls from the sky here, schools will close, people stay home from work, and there are massive pile-ups on IH-35.

---Skywatch



------Forever Watchin' The Sky------
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2049 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 18):
I believe this is the video.

That is an internet classic. Though not to nitpick that particular Nissan Frontier is a 4x2 model. Of course those 4-5 guys could have dug out the driveway in 5-10 minutes and saved an expensive repair on that sweet Geo Storm.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
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Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
a FWD Golf - not the ideal car if you want to be able to steer

Mine is actually quite good. It would be better with proper winter tires, but the traction and stability control make it a pleasure to drive in the slippery stuff.

It really doesn't take any special skills to drive on ice and snow. All you have to do is drive slowly, leave an enormous amount of space between your car and the car ahead, and plan ahead in every situation. That's it.

2H4



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User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2040 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x I'm an excellent driver

Growing in the land of snow and ice, I'd say I'm an excellent driver. The only time I ever went in the ditch was the first winter I got my DL. Having 4x4 in the winter helps, but a person should be able to drive any kind a vehicle in bad weather. Alot of my partners at work would have me drive when going to a call, so I guess other people have faith in my driving too.


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):
It really doesn't take any special skills to drive on ice and snow. All you have to do is drive slowly, leave an enormous amount of space between your car and the car ahead, and plan ahead in every situation. That's it.

 checkmark 

Thanks. Couldn't have put it better myself.



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User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2026 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Thread starter):
x I'm an excellent driver

I'm from Chicago


25 Aloha73G : One of the many reasons we say, "Lucky you live Hawai'i." Though I would also like to add.... -Aloha!
26 Post contains images Springbok747 : I'm a good driver, but I've never, ever driven on ice and snow...would love to do it someday.
27 Post contains images 2H4 : Here what it's like from the driver's seat: 2H4
28 Jpax :
29 Jutes85 : I wouldn't say that i'm the best driver, but I've been through enough bad weather and icy mountain roads to have great experience. Having an AWD Suby
30 Arrow : And you've touched on the major problem with 4WD cars -- the operator. It amazes me that people can't grasp the fact that 4WD can get you moving very
31 Fritzi : I live in sweden so I would have to say that on dry roads in the summer the speedlimit on straight roads are just more like a "safety speed incase you
32 A346Dude : Pretty good I guess. The secret is to simply drive according to the conditions. A FWD car without winter tires is perfectly safe in the snow as long a
33 Post contains images Dougloid : Some of the happiest moments in my life were spent at the wheel of a taxicab in New Jersey. The Menlo Park Shopping Center was pretty much closed on
34 Post contains images Springbok747 : Thanks for the pics...looks interesting...but thats not the driver's seat..oh wait..I forgot, you guys drive on the wrong side
35 Allstarflyer : The best thing I can offer for the following two quotes is that a driver should judge his/her stopping distance to be at least 2x as much as what it w
36 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : Me in snow/ice, not bad, certainly better than most of the other "drivers" i see. Lessons i would LOVE to teach them: 1> Brake gently early! 2> steer
37 Greasespot : I grew up on a farm in rural western canada...I can drive on a gravel road covererd in snow at 100+ kmh....Never hit the ditch or lost control... Chri
38 2H4 : Many people have gotten themselves into trouble attempting this in modern cars. If you've got ABS and need maximum braking, slamming on the pedal and
39 Flighty : Good. People say those are perfect. Snow tire traction, but all-year durability. For people with 6 month winters, their primary goal is grip and perf
40 Jutes85 : Uhh, no.
41 Molykote : Spot on. All season tires are passable with some FWD vehicles but I still think the separate summer/winter tire solution is the way to go. On a RWD v
42 Ronglimeng : I'm not sure what a "good driver" is. Some kind of special handling and steering skill or just driving with common sense? Sometimes I'm less attentive
43 ACDC8 : Tires are the second most important factor in winter (or any condition/season) driving. Common sense is the most important factor. Personally, I prefe
44 IH8BY : Welcome to central Oxford... even if it's snowing outside the ring road, it darn well won't snow within it! Never had a chance to drive in snow, and
45 DAL767400ER : Oh yeah, still remember that vid. Pretty f*cked up roads. So far only had one case where I slid in a small sidestreet with the speed of a slouch and
46 Post contains images Aerobalance : I've done about 100 days of snow driving in non-traction controlled or vehicle stability control enhanced vehicles. Never had an incident or accident
47 Post contains images AverageUser : Inspired by 2H4's contribution, I decided to share some snapshots on my route today. This is the fourth of fifth day this winter we have some snow & i
48 JAGflyer : I am a good driver on ice/snow. If the roads are slippery or not plowed well I drive at a lower speed and maintain significant distance between the ca
49 Post contains links and images Jutes85 : This is what my daily commute constists of. 10km of back woods with not a soul.
50 Steeler83 : I hope that's a vehicle with 4 wheel drive!
51 Jutes85 : Subaru WRX STi FTW! I just set the DCCD (Driver Controlled Center Differential) to lock and I don't have any problems.
52 AverageUser : To me Jutes' road as it stands now looks ok for a RWD car with a differential lock, or any FWD car that's not too heavy. If you need to beat the snow
53 NIKV69 : Let's see, seven trips around the country by car. I have seen trucks go over, people go into the median and guide rails and last December like an idio
54 Flighty : Yes I agree. Learn to drive RWD in the snow, and you have learned a lot. However, in terms of "control" I suggest you try a FWD car with ESP someday.
55 ACDC8 : ESP was an option on my VW Golf, but I didn't go for it as I had it on my Mustang and ended up turning it off most of the time in order to get anywhe
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