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Katrina Lawsuit Vs. Army Corps Dismissed  
User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1387 times:

"U.S. District Judge Stanwood Duval ruled Wednesday that the Corps should be held immune over failures in drainage canals that caused much of the flooding of New Orleans in August 2005. He cited the Flood Control Act of 1928, which protects the federal government from lawsuits when flood control projects like levees break."

'The ruling was another blow to the residents of New Orleans, where loathing for the Corps continues unabated.

"This cost people's lives and property," said Gwen Bierria, 66, who is still living in a government-issued trailer and is among the tens of thousands of people who have filed claims against the federal government for damage from the levee breaches.

"Anybody that calls themselves the Army Corps of Engineers should be embarrassed," she said.'

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22922056/for/cnbc/


It is great to see a Judge who actually follows the laws instead of making his own in a political statement. But later on in the column you find the people who lived 16 to 20 feet below sea level along the Gulf still trying to blame the Gov. How about a novel idea, live above sea level if you live near the ocean or any large form of water. They have known that their city is sinking for how many years and yet they kept on building. For how many years have they talked about the "big one" yet they kept on building and the city and state were unprepared but who do they want to sue. The one with the deepest pockets, the Federal Government.

And the statements below by the judge and the plaintiff's lawyer are pretty funny. They give the defintion of Big Gov

'"The byzantine funding and appropriation methods for this undertaking were in large part a cause of this failure," the judge said, referring to the politics-riddled process Congress has for funding Corps projects.

The Flood Control Act is counterproductive, Duval said, because it negates incentives for good government workmanship and creates an environment where "gross incompetence receives the same treatment as simple mistake."

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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1372 times:



Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
For how many years have they talked about the "big one"

Had the same philosophy down here in FLA until Andrew hit. Now people are more prepared; some more than others.

it is absurd, that living in NOLA you might have the big one hit and all goes to hell in a hand basket and it is all the Fed's fault. It is all about risk assessment. You don't want earthquakes; move to FL. Don't want hurricanes; move to AZ. Don't want to get flooded in NOLA if another CAT 5 strom hits; move someplace else.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

I guess you missed this part....or maybe intentionally left it out:


Duval, however, issued a stinging condemnation of the corps and its actions in building the city's hurricane protection system.

"Here, the court must apply this broad immunity based upon the facts of this case," Duval said. "Often, when the King can do no wrong, his subjects suffer the consequences. Such is the case here."

"This story -- 50 years in the making -- is heart-wrenching," Duval, an appointee of President Clinton, said in his 46-page ruling. "Millions of dollars were squandered in building a levee system with respect to these outfall canals which was known to be inadequate by the corps' own calculations."


You know what? If my house was located next to the 17th Street or London Avenue canals I would have taken part in the lawsuit. And I have no qualms about it. And frankly, I could care less what outsiders would think of that decision. Win or lose, I would have taken part in it, because the levees were designed poorly...and a lot of people are to blame in regards to that...my blame stretches far and wide. I leave no stone unturned in the blame. My family has lived in the area for generations. Am I supposed to be ashamed of that? Nope. And my family nor anyone we know were crying over spilled milk. For reasonable people, you know the inherent risks involved in living in ANY place which are prone to natural disasters. It comes with the territory. Even my uncle, who's house was filled with 10 feet of water, just moved on...salvaged what he could, and built a new house. That's what people do. They move on. And if taking part in a lawsuit which many consider valid gives these people some peace, so be it. I won't judge them. No one should.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13804 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1344 times:



Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
How about a novel idea, live above sea level if you live near the ocean or any large form of water. They have known that their city is sinking for how many years and yet they kept on building.

Tell this to the Dutch.

Jan


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1337 times:



Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
The ruling was another blow to the residents of New Orleans, where loathing for the Corps continues unabated.

I guess they have no appreciation for all the years the levees held.

Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
"This cost people's lives and property,"

Only the ones who were stupid enough to be living in a place they knew would flood some day, then were stupid enough to stay there when told to leave.

Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
Gwen Bierria, 66, who is still living in a government-issued trailer

And be damned glad you got that much!

Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
It is great to see a Judge who actually follows the laws instead of making his own in a political statement.

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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
You know what? If my house was located next to the 17th Street or London Avenue canals I would have taken part in the lawsuit. And I have no qualms about it.

I'd like to think you're a smart enough guy that it never would have been an issue because you never would have chosen to live in that spot.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
And frankly, I could care less what outsiders would think of that decision.

Understandable, but realize that outsiders look at the situation with a sense of logic that is not clouded by the emotion felt by the people in NO who have been through the whole mess.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1331 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
Gwen Bierria, 66, who is still living in a government-issued trailer

And be damned glad you got that much!

She'll ask for more from FEMA via a lawsuit over formaldehyde in her trailer, which she is for some reason still living in two years later. The whole idea of "temporary housing" must have escapade her.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1319 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
I guess they have no appreciation for all the years the levees held.

When you buy something with a guarantee on it, do you not complain when it fails to meet that guarantee? Do you rejoice and say "hey, it survived all the lesser tasks, so I shouldn't care that it failed to do the taskI bought it to do?"

Quoting Wingnut767 (Thread starter):
It is great to see a Judge who actually follows the laws instead of making his own in a political statement.

 Yeah sure Stop listening to the propaganda.

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Only the ones who were stupid enough to be living in a place they knew would flood some day

That's most of the country. And the places that are less likely to flood are subject to hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, blizzards, fires, etc., etc., etc., Are you going to call people who live in hurricane zones, tornado zones, earthquake zones, fire zones, and blizzard zones stupid too?

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
outsiders look at the situation with a sense of logic that is not clouded by the emotion felt by the people in NO who have been through the whole mess.

Logic? What you're saying is not logic.



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1317 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
I'd like to think you're a smart enough guy that it never would have been an issue because you never would have chosen to live in that spot.

Actually, those areas were only destroyed due to the concrete walls giving way due to poor design. From a residents point of view, a huge concrete wall looks safe enough. No one knew until after testing was done on them after the storm that there were serious design flaws.

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
Understandable, but realize that outsiders look at the situation with a sense of logic that is not clouded by the emotion felt by the people in NO who have been through the whole mess.

Sense of logic? No, more like commenting on things based on personal opinions from a safe distance, while not actually knowing first hand what went on. I think the people who have volunteered here have a better perspective on things in general.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1313 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
"Here, the court must apply this broad immunity based upon the facts of this case," Duval said. "Often, when the King can do no wrong, his subjects suffer the consequences. Such is the case here."



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
Actually, those areas were only destroyed due to the concrete walls giving way due to poor design. From a residents point of view, a huge concrete wall looks safe enough. No one knew until after testing was done on them after the storm that there were serious design flaws.

Just one more reason why nobody should rely on the government for their own well-being. The sooner people take person responsibility for their lives the better.

Heck, Katrina taught me a lesson - when the shit hits the fan, it's everyone for themselves. Don't expect the police to be there, don't expect the fire department / medical facilities to be there. You need to be prepared to fend for yourself. After sitting on the fence for a long-time I finally went out and bought my first handgun (a Glock 19) because I could no longer ignore the fact that it was MY RESPONSIBILITY as head of household to insure that MY family was protected if the police couldn't don't it.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1303 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 8):
Don't expect the police to be there, don't expect the fire department / medical facilities to be there.

That does not sound like society and civilization you are describing, but rather anarchy.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1298 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
That does not sound like society and civilization you are describing, but rather anarchy.

How would you describe post-Katrina NOLA?


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

I understand that people are upset because the levees failed. But that is life, there are natural disasters and no guarantees. Maybe they should sue the NOA for not giving the call for evacuation earlier. Maybe they should sue the ancestors of the people who decided to settle there. Maybe they should sue the French government for initiating and subsidizing a colony that was built in an unsafe area.  Yeah sure

Fires, tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes etc are a part of life. People believe they have the right to live to be 80 with no problems nowadays and that's bs. This is life and sometimes things happen.

I wonder who there was to sue in the great San Francisco quake at the turn of last century? Surely it can still be done!


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 11):
Maybe they should sue the NOA for not giving the call for evacuation earlier. Maybe they should sue the ancestors of the people who decided to settle there. Maybe they should sue the French government for initiating and subsidizing a colony that was built in an unsafe area.

Well, the city advised people to get out about three days before the storm, so the smart ones...which was the majority, less you forget...took the advise. But all of this has been said before.

I won't touch the rest of your comments. I'll just roll my eyes and say to myself "my oh my".  

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 11):
This is life and sometimes things happen.

Exactly. Do you not think the people of New Orleans realize that?

I'd bet good money that you'd be a little more ticked off if your house was flooded not by water overtopping the levee...which would be a natural occurence totally...but rather having your house flooded thanks to poorly built flood walls. But I disgress...to each his own...and sh*t happens. Most people have moved on and are rebuilding in the area...an area with new and improved flood walls and gates.

[Edited 2008-01-31 08:31:21]

[Edited 2008-01-31 08:31:44]

[Edited 2008-01-31 08:32:00]


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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1268 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
I'd bet good money that you'd be a little more ticked off if your house was flooded not by water overtopping the levee.

You'd lose. I wouldn't be living below sea-level in the first place. Period.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
Most people have moved on and are rebuilding in the area...an area with new and improved flood walls and gates.

It WILL fail again. It's not even a question of "IF". Build it to a certain standard and it'll deteriorate over time, there will be a unforeseen defect or design flaw, or a storm will be more powerful than planned for. Too many things to go wrong and "mother nature" will always win.


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1268 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):

I'd bet good money that you'd be a little more ticked off if your house was flooded not by water overtopping the levee...

In Chicago we lived in an area that was not in a flood plain. The government puts out maps for people and my parents made sure that it was not in a flood plain when they bought the house. Well, one year we had an enormous amount of rainfall and the Des Plaines River flooded our home. We moved on and did not even think of suing the people in charge making the map or placing our home at the bottom of a small hill.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
Most people have moved on and are rebuilding in the area...an area with new and improved flood walls and gates.

Great. Some obviously have not moved on though.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
You'd lose. I wouldn't be living below sea-level in the first place. Period

All things being equal, if you were, you'd probably be.

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
It WILL fail again

Sure. Nature runs its course. No one can control it. But that's not the argument here. California WILL have Earthquakes again. Towns in Kansas WILL be destroyed by Tornados again. South Florida WILL have another Andrew at some point. The South Pacific WILL have another Tsunami again. The examples go on and on.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 14):
We moved on and did not even think of suing the people in charge making the map or placing our home at the bottom of a small hill.

Well, even though I sympathize with you, I don't think you can say these situations are equal in scope or circumstance.

[Edited 2008-01-31 08:52:43]


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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1259 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 14):
Great. Some obviously have not moved on though.

No. You can't expect everyone will.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1250 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 15):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 14):
We moved on and did not even think of suing the people in charge making the map or placing our home at the bottom of a small hill.

Well, even though I sympathize with you, I don't think you can say these situations are equal in scope or circumstance.

Agreed. But I don't think that you can say that the Army Corps expected the surge that came. In either circumstance, shit happens. Its funny, we never really felt bad about the situation. My parents treated it like some kind of adventure.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1247 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 17):
But I don't think that you can say that the Army Corps expected the surge that came

Probably not from a CAT2 storm, I agree. But I do think they could have been more forthcoming with certain pieces of info.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 17):
shit happens

Yep.



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User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1242 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
Am I supposed to be ashamed of that? Nope.

I think MSYt said it best when he mentioned 'outsiders' perceptions of the city and its people. As a new New Orleans resident, I am still an outsider for the locals, but I am damn well aware of the shit that goes down here and the people.

I want you to take a drive through the Lower 9th Ward. After you do that, tell me its the people's fault, that they should get over themselves and "move on". As a matter of fact, many have moved on; but to where?

I would have sued AND I would appeal that dismissal any way I could.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1223 times:



Quoting MIA (Reply 19):
I would appeal that dismissal any way I could.

First off, welcome to New Orleans  thumbsup  Secondly, it's not a dead issue. It will be appealed, and while this specific case probably will not get reversed, it should at least raise awareness to the fact that federal agencies, like every other agency, should be held liable for their actions.

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
It WILL fail again. It's not even a question of "IF". Build it to a certain standard and it'll deteriorate over time, there will be a unforeseen defect or design flaw, or a storm will be more powerful than planned for. Too many things to go wrong and "mother nature" will always win.

Logical argument there.....then again, that's true for those living atop the San Andreas Fault in California (which I did growing up), it's true for those who live in Tornado Alley (I believe MAF is included there), it's true for those who live in the shadows of the Sacramento Valley levees, it's true for those who choose to build a $2 million house at the base of a mountain that catches fire every four years. None of us can say we live in a 100% safe-at-all-times area.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 17):
I don't think that you can say that the Army Corps expected the surge that came.

While storm surge was the major issue along the Mississippi gulf coast and the MRGO, it was a secondary issue with the 17th Street, Orleans Avenue, and London Avenue Canal levees. The ability of the levees to properly hold back water already in the canal (as they had done up until Katrina), as well as contain water that was being pumped back towards the Lake Pontchartrain was what was compromised.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1210 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 14):
We moved on and did not even think of suing the people in charge making the map or placing our home at the bottom of a small hill.

Sounds like you didn't lose much.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 20):
None of us can say we live in a 100% safe-at-all-times area.

Quoted for truth.

Queso, where do you live? What state?



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1202 times:



Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 20):
it's true for those who live in Tornado Alley (I believe MAF is included there),



Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 20):
None of us can say we live in a 100% safe-at-all-times area.

Yep, that is true. But none of the examples you mentioned depend upon the existence of a man-made barrier to separate naturally occurring elements always working to return to their normal state from the infrastructure of a large city and billions of dollars of assets. The more complicated and grand the scale, the more spectacular, dangerous, and devestating is it's failure. Unlike earthquakes or tornadoes, you are not engineering against the possibility of a catastrophic, naturally occuring, high-energy disastrous single event, NOLA is an attempt to engineer against the constant pressure of the sea trying to crash in where it naturally belongs. And in NOLA's case you not only have to overcome that obstacle, you must also engineer for larger events which will inevitably happen.

It's just not worth it. The same activities that can be performed at the site where NOLA currently sits can also be performed a short distance away without having to dump huge amounts into infrastructure that will end up at the bottom of what will inevitably be reclaimed again by the Gulf of Mexico.


User currently offlineWingnut767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1200 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 22):
Yep, that is true. But none of the examples you mentioned depend upon the existence of a man-made barrier to separate naturally occurring elements always working to return to their normal state from the infrastructure of a large city and billions of dollars of assets. The more complicated and grand the scale, the more spectacular, dangerous, and devestating is it's failure. Unlike earthquakes or tornadoes, you are not engineering against the possibility of a catastrophic, naturally occuring, high-energy disastrous single event, NOLA is an attempt to engineer against the constant pressure of the sea trying to crash in where it naturally belongs. And in NOLA's case you not only have to overcome that obstacle, you must also engineer for larger events which will inevitably happen.

Exactly Queso. Then they want federal tax dollars to bail them out.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1190 times:



Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 23):
Exactly Queso. Then they want federal tax dollars to bail them out.

You clearly have your mind made up, so it's pointless in trying to argue with you; however, you seem to think that the entire city is begging for the feds to bail them out. I sort of feel sorry for you for thinking that way.

Quoting Queso (Reply 22):
It's just not worth it.

Well, I guess it is overall, as the place is being rebuilt. You should come down for a visit...you'd be impressed at the progress. I know I sure am.



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25 Queso : Please, don't misunderstand me. The spirit and hard work of some of the people of NOLA is admirable and I really am impressed by it, even from afar.
26 D L X : I'll grant you that about tornadoes, but we certainly engineer against the possibility of catastrophic failures in the case of earthquakes. The only
27 MSYtristar : No, I'm not misunderstanding you. I have heard this argument, believe me. I think the thing is, there is a great deal of uncertainty in regards to wh
28 Post contains images Tom in NO : I'll grant you that at as regards to tornadoes. Regarding the other events I mentioned, aren't you engineering against the catastrophic damage that w
29 Queso : Tom and MSYtristar, I'm not unsympathetic to the people of NOLA. I'm really just nit-picking here and you guys are answering my points fantastically.
30 Wingnut767 : No I did not leave it out intentionaly. I do not care what this Clinton political hack thinks about. I do not care nor should anybody what he or any
31 Fumanchewd : What? What do you know about it? Natural disasters are natural disasters. People die and someone always has to be at fault? That's spineless.
32 D L X : Tom, I don't think you'll have to wait that long. Let's see what happens in the coming months concerning the fires in California. (Now, I think it wi
33 MSYtristar : I realize that. I was speaking from a geographical standpoint mostly. Besides, everyone knows the chances of NOLA being hit directly by a 4 or a 5 ar
34 Post contains images Tom in NO : We appreciate that, and if I hadn't lived here those 21 years, my thoughts would probably be a lot closer in line with yours. And we are fully aware
35 767Lover : What I want to know, in regards to this Flood Control Act of 1928, is how can I be assured that my tax dollars will be spent on competent work rather
36 Cfalk : I'm still waiting for any of these plaintiffs to produce an order from the Federal Government ordering them to live in NO, buy a house there below sea
37 Post contains images MSYtristar : Well, I guess you'll have to have faith that it is. From what I have seen, people are doing an amazing job in this aspect, and I have not really hear
38 Tom in NO : Queso, as a point of note, in checking a book reference here at the house, Katrina's top sustained winds at the airport were about 65 mph. At the 17th
39 CaptOveur : This is the most irritating part of the whole thing. It is how long since the hurricane and we are all still paying for her to live somewhere? It sou
40 Miamiair : Just for curiosity's sake, what are homeowners and flood insurance rates in NOLA? After the 05 hurrican season in FLA left much of the homeowners ins
41 Queso : Thanks, Tom. So at the point it hit the coast it was about a Cat2 or so and barely even Cat1 winds in NO proper. It really makes me wonder what would
42 MSYtristar : FYI...the majority of the trailers are GONE. Only in the most devastated areas where people are still rebuilding their homes can you still see some.
43 MSYtristar : I can take a stab at some of this until Tom joins the party... Last I heard, CAT3 protection is now in place on the entire levee system surrounding N
44 Pope : Flood insurance rates are uniform across the country depending on the flood zone classification of the property. Therefore a house in Miami in a floo
45 Post contains images Tom in NO : I can tell you what mine is...but it won't be completely representative, because I'm a little bit higher elevation-wise (if you can call 5-10 feet hi
46 Fumanchewd : Yes you are. I understand that material things are nice to have, but they do not make me who I am. I have lost everything several times and I am the
47 Post contains links Halls120 : I lived in NOLA from 1977-81. I worked right on the Industrial Canal. No one I know put any faith whatsoever in those flimsy concrete flood walls. I
48 Queso : I think that's just being smart and prudent. Mose people step out of the way of a speeding car when they see it coming, too! Thanks for the replies,
49 MD11Engineer : I don't know about you guys in New Orleans, but I've got friends living in Almere, Netherlands. My friend told me that his house was built about 6 met
50 Halls120 : This sounds very similar to what the CoE wanted to originally do in New Orleans, if I understand their former plan correctly. Yet as the article I re
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