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Jesse Jackson Stands Up For MLB Umpires  
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

Well, I guess all the people who claim Jackson is a "racist" who looks to blame white people for anything and everything have some explaining to do here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3224312

Turns out, Rev. Jackson is out in support of white umpires who are having all sorts of bizarre and inappropriate questions to their neighbors behind their backs, including whether they belong to the KKK.


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1364 times:



Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Well, I guess all the people who claim Jackson is a "racist" who looks to blame white people for anything and everything have some explaining to do here.

Are you seriously suggesting that one non-racist move by the good reverend offsets all of his prior racist activities?

 rotfl 

Didn't realize that April 1st had already arrived.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.


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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1306 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

Oh he does - I'll admit it.




But then he wakes up again......


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1304 times:



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 3):
Oh he does - I'll admit it.




But then he wakes up again......

 checkmark 

People used to listen to what he had to say, but he's pretty much lost all credibility these days.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1302 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

Jesse dresses reasonably well and Hitler was an alright painter. Happy?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1298 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1295 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

It's called prejudice.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1290 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

It's called prejudice.

Bullshit, just because people voice their disapproval of some one of color does not imply that they are prejudiced. I consider you comment raciest.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Kudos to Jackson on this one, if he has no other hidden agenda. Knowing his history though, I can't help but think that he has some other purpose for what he's doing. Maybe I'm wrong.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
I consider you comment raciest.

I'd have to agree with that.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Okay, so I guess I have to be the first person to ask the obvious question... What is wrong with MLB conducting extensive background checks on it's employees including determining membership in known hate groups?



BTW:

Quote:
"In a year with the injustice of Jena Six, nooses hung around the country and the Tiger Woods-Golfweek scandal, Major League Baseball's false impersonations of friendships and ill-contrived questions further press sensitive racial stereotypes, with no basis for suspicion," Jackson said. "They have essentially defamed their people in their own neighborhoods."

 redflag 

I would expect any major organization to ask these types of questions. If any of you have ever applied for security clearance, you would know that questions much more personal than this get asked of your neighbors.

Kinda like:

Quote:
Do you know if umpire 'X' is a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Does he grow marijuana plants? Does he beat his wife? Have you seen the police at his home? Does he throw wild parties?"

Looks like standad stuff to me.

Notice no one is saying MLB called it's umpires wife beaters, or pot heads... which makes us wonder why the KKK question is being lambasted... Hmmmmm...  scratchchin 

Looks like standard attention whoring douchebaggery to me.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1274 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
Bullshit, just because people voice their disapproval of some one of color does not imply that they are prejudiced

"Prejudice" means that you will judge beforehand, and will not be swayed. You've judged JJ already, and will not be swayed.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
I consider you comment raciest[sic].

Good for you.

Quoting Queso (Reply 9):
Kudos to Jackson on this one, if he has no other hidden agenda.

Kudos to you Queso, that you can see that even someone you do not like can occasionally do the right thing.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

There is a difference between racist and raciest. Jesse may be racist, or may have been in the past. But we must not call him racy.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1262 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 10):
What is wrong with MLB conducting extensive background checks on it's employees including determining membership in known hate groups?

Well, for one, it denies them freedom of association. Second, and the crux of the grievance here, is that the questioning looks an awful lot like MLB is asserting these things as fact to their neighbors

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 10):


Notice no one is saying MLB called it's umpires wife beaters, or pot heads...

They are accused of implying this as well.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):

What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.

Complete and total overstatement.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1259 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):

What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.

Complete and total overstatement.

But he's closer to the truth than not.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1251 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Well, for one, it denies them freedom of association.

Which you don't have when you work for a major corporation. Companies are fully within their rights to terminate your employment for belonging to hate groups. If I found out one of my guys belonged to such a group they would be out on their asses faster than they could blink.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Second, and the crux of the grievance here, is that the questioning looks an awful lot like MLB is asserting these things as fact to their neighbors



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They are accused of implying this as well.

Uh huh, yeah..

Quote:
To try to link our umpires to the Ku Klux Klan is highly offensive. It is essentially defaming the umpires in their communities by conducting a very strange and poorly executed investigation. It resembles kind of secret police in some kind of despotic nation

... I guess I just missed where in there those other things are..

You've lived a very short life in corporate America. I suggest you get used to this. It's in your future.


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1239 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Complete and total overstatement.

It's completely true though.

How do you explain his defense of Mike Vick?

If it had been Tom Brady in the same situation, I highly doubt Jesse would have been running to his defense.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1237 times:



Quoting AAce24 (Reply 16):
If it had been Tom Brady in the same situation, I highly doubt Jesse would have been running to his defense.

Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.



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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1235 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 17):
Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.

But he defends African Americans, even when they are clearly guilty.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1226 times:



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

Oh he does - I'll admit it.

I'm sure that rev. Jackson has done many positive things for humanity during his stay on earth. Problem is, they are grossly outweighed by all the harm he has caused.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.

It's called prejudice.

No, it's called reality. What you and others are doing is whipping out the race card where it doesn't belong.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1224 times:



Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Turns out, Rev. Jackson is out in support of white umpires who are having all sorts of bizarre and inappropriate questions to their neighbors behind their backs, including whether they belong to the KKK.

Perhaps bizarre questions, but remember over the past decade some umpires have run afoul of the law (especially tax issues); a one or two has utter racist remarks, so maybe baseball is just trying to clean the slate to avoid an NBA scandal.

And of course, did the good Rev. Jackson, actually hear of any of these questions, or have they just been blown out of context?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1221 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):

Which you don't have when you work for a major corporation.

Wrong. Why do you think trade unions exist?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):

You've lived a very short life in corporate America.

I don't live in corporate America.

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 16):

How do you explain his defense of Mike Vick?

When did Jackson defend Michael Vick? I can't find anything related to that.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1220 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 17):

Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.

really, Who?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1212 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
It's called prejudice.

No, I'd be prejudiced if I assumed simply from the actions of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that all black people are corrupt attention whores who have no way succeeding in life other than playing the race card. That is prejudice. Big difference.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11268 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1205 times:



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
What you and others are doing is whipping out the race card where it doesn't belong.

Halls, how am I whipping out the race card?

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 22):
Quoting D L X (Reply 17):

Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.

really, Who?

None of the hostages held by Slobadon Milosevic were black. In fact, most of the hostages JJ has negotiated the release of were not black.



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25 Post contains images Halls120 : Actually, Maverick got it right below. My apologies for making an incorrect assessment. I shouldn't posting when I'm sick as a dog.
26 MDorBust : I'm sorry, did you just imply that Unions grant rights? The notion is laughable. Sorry, but you do not have a freedom of association guaranteed by yo
27 Post contains images N1120A : No. Read again.
28 D L X : That is not what I mean by prejudice. See reply 11. The word "prejudice" does not have racial connotations. The people who are unwilling to admit tha
29 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Prejudiced has nothing to do with race; here's the actual definition according to MW: "2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opin
30 Post contains images D L X : That's what I said... Okay, I have to admit. That was funny. Bottom line is this: I'm not going to defend JJ's shakedowns. They make me cringe, and t
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