N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 978 times:
Well, I guess all the people who claim Jackson is a "racist" who looks to blame white people for anything and everything have some explaining to do here.
Turns out, Rev. Jackson is out in support of white umpires who are having all sorts of bizarre and inappropriate questions to their neighbors behind their backs, including whether they belong to the KKK.
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Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 965 times:
Quoting N1120A (Thread starter): Well, I guess all the people who claim Jackson is a "racist" who looks to blame white people for anything and everything have some explaining to do here.
Are you seriously suggesting that one non-racist move by the good reverend offsets all of his prior racist activities?
Didn't realize that April 1st had already arrived.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 943 times:
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
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AAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 905 times:
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 903 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
Jesse dresses reasonably well and Hitler was an alright painter. Happy?
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 899 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10569 posts, RR: 53 Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 896 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 888 times:
Kudos to Jackson on this one, if he has no other hidden agenda. Knowing his history though, I can't help but think that he has some other purpose for what he's doing. Maybe I'm wrong.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 882 times:
Okay, so I guess I have to be the first person to ask the obvious question... What is wrong with MLB conducting extensive background checks on it's employees including determining membership in known hate groups?
BTW:
Quote: "In a year with the injustice of Jena Six, nooses hung around the country and the Tiger Woods-Golfweek scandal, Major League Baseball's false impersonations of friendships and ill-contrived questions further press sensitive racial stereotypes, with no basis for suspicion," Jackson said. "They have essentially defamed their people in their own neighborhoods."
I would expect any major organization to ask these types of questions. If any of you have ever applied for security clearance, you would know that questions much more personal than this get asked of your neighbors.
Kinda like:
Quote: Do you know if umpire 'X' is a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Does he grow marijuana plants? Does he beat his wife? Have you seen the police at his home? Does he throw wild parties?"
Looks like standad stuff to me.
Notice no one is saying MLB called it's umpires wife beaters, or pot heads... which makes us wonder why the KKK question is being lambasted... Hmmmmm...
Looks like standard attention whoring douchebaggery to me.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10569 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 875 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8): Bullshit, just because people voice their disapproval of some one of color does not imply that they are prejudiced
"Prejudice" means that you will judge beforehand, and will not be swayed. You've judged JJ already, and will not be swayed.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7507 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 871 times:
There is a difference between racist and raciest. Jesse may be racist, or may have been in the past. But we must not call him racy.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 863 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 10): What is wrong with MLB conducting extensive background checks on it's employees including determining membership in known hate groups?
Well, for one, it denies them freedom of association. Second, and the crux of the grievance here, is that the questioning looks an awful lot like MLB is asserting these things as fact to their neighbors
Notice no one is saying MLB called it's umpires wife beaters, or pot heads...
They are accused of implying this as well.
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.
Complete and total overstatement.
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What do you expect if he and Al Sharpton constantly wave the "race flag" whenever an African-American gets arrested, even if that person gets arrested for something he truely commited.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 852 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): Well, for one, it denies them freedom of association.
Which you don't have when you work for a major corporation. Companies are fully within their rights to terminate your employment for belonging to hate groups. If I found out one of my guys belonged to such a group they would be out on their asses faster than they could blink.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): Second, and the crux of the grievance here, is that the questioning looks an awful lot like MLB is asserting these things as fact to their neighbors
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): They are accused of implying this as well.
Uh huh, yeah..
Quote: To try to link our umpires to the Ku Klux Klan is highly offensive. It is essentially defaming the umpires in their communities by conducting a very strange and poorly executed investigation. It resembles kind of secret police in some kind of despotic nation
... I guess I just missed where in there those other things are..
You've lived a very short life in corporate America. I suggest you get used to this. It's in your future.
AAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 840 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): Complete and total overstatement.
It's completely true though.
How do you explain his defense of Mike Vick?
If it had been Tom Brady in the same situation, I highly doubt Jesse would have been running to his defense.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10569 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 838 times:
Quoting AAce24 (Reply 16): If it had been Tom Brady in the same situation, I highly doubt Jesse would have been running to his defense.
Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.
AAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 836 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 17): Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.
But he defends African Americans, even when they are clearly guilty.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 827 times:
Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 3): Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
Oh he does - I'll admit it.
I'm sure that rev. Jackson has done many positive things for humanity during his stay on earth. Problem is, they are grossly outweighed by all the harm he has caused.
Quoting D L X (Reply 7): Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Looks like the usual suspects are devoid of the ability to admit Jesse Jackson does good things.
It's called prejudice.
No, it's called reality. What you and others are doing is whipping out the race card where it doesn't belong.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 825 times:
Quoting N1120A (Thread starter): Turns out, Rev. Jackson is out in support of white umpires who are having all sorts of bizarre and inappropriate questions to their neighbors behind their backs, including whether they belong to the KKK.
Perhaps bizarre questions, but remember over the past decade some umpires have run afoul of the law (especially tax issues); a one or two has utter racist remarks, so maybe baseball is just trying to clean the slate to avoid an NBA scandal.
And of course, did the good Rev. Jackson, actually hear of any of these questions, or have they just been blown out of context?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 822 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
Which you don't have when you work for a major corporation.
Wrong. Why do you think trade unions exist?
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 15):
You've lived a very short life in corporate America.
I don't live in corporate America.
Quoting AAce24 (Reply 16):
How do you explain his defense of Mike Vick?
When did Jackson defend Michael Vick? I can't find anything related to that.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 813 times:
No, I'd be prejudiced if I assumed simply from the actions of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that all black people are corrupt attention whores who have no way succeeding in life other than playing the race card. That is prejudice. Big difference.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10569 posts, RR: 53 Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 806 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19): What you and others are doing is whipping out the race card where it doesn't belong.
Why? This is hardly the first time that JJ has come to the defense of people who are not black.
really, Who?
None of the hostages held by Slobadon Milosevic were black. In fact, most of the hostages JJ has negotiated the release of were not black.
25 Halls120: Actually, Maverick got it right below. My apologies for making an incorrect assessment. I shouldn't posting when I'm sick as a dog.
26 MDorBust: I'm sorry, did you just imply that Unions grant rights? The notion is laughable. Sorry, but you do not have a freedom of association guaranteed by yo
28 D L X: That is not what I mean by prejudice. See reply 11. The word "prejudice" does not have racial connotations. The people who are unwilling to admit tha
29 MaverickM11: Prejudiced has nothing to do with race; here's the actual definition according to MW: "2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opin
30 D L X: That's what I said... Okay, I have to admit. That was funny. Bottom line is this: I'm not going to defend JJ's shakedowns. They make me cringe, and t
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