Lobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13028 times:
This IS NOT a gun control debate!!
I'm looking for advice on a good weapon to carry for a concealed weapons permit. More than likely it will spend more time in my vehicle or house than on my person. So far the Glock 26 seems OK, it's cheap for me because I get military discount, and the size it right. I'm not aware of any other manufacturer that gives decent discounts to military, only LEO's. The other pistol I was looking at was H&K USP compact .40 So anyone have an decent suggestions?
I am a big fan of H&K myself but if this thing is just going to be in the car and used for dropping a dirtbag at the window the Glock will be just fine.. The H&K is just far too much money if you aren't going to take it out and play with it occasionally.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13004 times:
Hmm....how about a Desert Eagle?
I too am curious. I will be turning 21 soon and will be looking to buy a handgun and obtain my Concealed Carry Permit.
I kind of want to buy an M9 since that is what I'll be issued and have to use when I deploy on active duty so I want to be proficient on it, though I doubt it's easy to carry "concealed" when on your person.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12980 times:
Have you looked at a Springfield Armory XD?
I am a big fan of the XD. They are about the same price as a Glock, have an additional safety, accessories are easy to come by and I think they feel better in my hand. Also, in my opinion the factory trigger pull is a little nicer.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12966 times:
OK...if you like Glocks (for price and reliability concerns more than anything else) then the GL32 in .357sig is an excellent choice. You can get it with the hogue wrap for the grip and meprolights or some other tritium sights. It's compact enough for easy concealment, and big enough to deal with the recoil. The .357sig round has excellent ballistics (as close as you can get to the .357 magnum round that the DoJ study said was the number-one one-shot-stopper) and you can fit 12 or 13 rounds. You can also use .40S&W mags and if you ever want to you can use the .40 bbl in it to change calibers (not that I think that's worthwhile).
If you want a larger caliber but still compact enough to conceal easily then get an Officers Model (or Defender) .45 ...... Colt of course makes a great one, and Kimber or Springfield make excellent products. My current favorite shooter is the Kimber TLE/RL ..... but they do offer a .45 in a compact model. They will only carry 6 or 7 rounds, but carry the extra mag and practice. Remember that if you miss with all the bullets you can always throw the 1911 at them and do almost as much damage.
Alot will depend on how large you are and how much you will practice. To be good with a Grock you need to spend more time.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12961 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 8): then the GL32 in .357sig is an excellent choice.
I have to disagree.. The ammo is too expensive to really practice with. It is a caliber that needs to just go away much like 10mm and .45GAP
I say stick with the mainstays of automatics.. 9mm Luger, .40S&W or .45ACP. This way your ammunition can be bought anywhere on the way to the range and it is cheap enough you can buy a bunch of it.
Personally, I am a fan of .45 If the first shot blows their head clean off the recoil isn't really an issue.
Also, I hear incredibly mixed reviews on Kimbers.. Some people positively love them.. Other people have horror stories about how inconsistent their quality is. Springfield is pretty universally liked in the 1911 world.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29509 posts, RR: 59 Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12950 times:
Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9): I say stick with the mainstays of automatics.. 9mm Luger, .40S&W or .45ACP. This way your ammunition can be bought anywhere on the way to the range and it is cheap enough you can buy a bunch of it.
The one mistake most people make is that they don't practice enough.
The problem with that list though is that most of those are only available on large frame weapons, which you really don't want as a concealed weapon.
I have a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov. I haven't felt the need to conceal carry it, but that would be my first pick over my 1911 and M9.
Second choice would probably be to pick out a Walter P22. That right I said P22, and in 22LR. It is a small caliber weapon, but don't underestimate it's potential. The nice thing is that the scaled up P99 by both Walter and S&W exists if you feel the need to go up to centerfire shells.
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DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12938 times:
Opinions will vary, so first off let me say that you ought to get what you can shoot most accurately with, and what you are going to be most comfortable carrying if you are going to carry.
Get something you enjoy shooting and will be able to practice with......alot. Carrying is a responsibility and if you plan on doing it do the smart and responsible thing and practice......alot. Learn the laws too.
Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9): I have to disagree.. The ammo is too expensive to really practice with. It is a caliber that needs to just go away much like 10mm and .45GAP
I understand your concern here, but the supply and availability of the 357sig ammo is incredible. Having it become the choice of several federal agencies, as well as police agencies around the country, has helped it become readily available. 10mm is a bit more difficult to find, and .45GAP is even harder.
I find ammo for practice to be no more expensive than the .45 I use (since I never use Wolf or any of the eastern European brands for practice) and I shoot alot of both. I'm not knocking the .45...it's my favorite....but the .357sig is a great round.
Perhaps in the past, but over the last several years they've been at the top of the marketplace. There's always some poster on some forum who will bitch about anything, and we have to remember that we hear mostly about the bitches rather than the attaboys. I simply see guys at the range, and reports from the guys who bought them at the gunstores and they almost all have had nothing but glowing reviews for their Kimbers.
Springfield is a good pistol....is it better than the Kimber? Hard to tell. They're both sought after. I still like the Colt Gold Cups...it's just that they're not the only game in town anymore when you want a precision, match-quality .45.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5877 posts, RR: 28 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12933 times:
I usually carry a CZ70 (32 auto) in my boot. It is a nice small pistol. It doesn't cost much to buy and it is reliable.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 10): but that would be my first pick over my 1911
I love the 1911, but it so big it is hard to conceal.
Quoting Lobster (Reply 6): Well, they do make the Baby Eagle, but it's still a little too big. But, if I had the money laying around I'd for sure have me a DE .50 !! Not much use for it, but fun as hell to play with
The DE is a neat gun, but I don't like it. My cousin has one and I have shot it on several occasions. The thing is so big that is impossible to conceal and it is so powerful it is hard to control.
I just did. Thanks. I'm going next week to look to see what they have or can order. Unfortunately I don't have any gun shops around here.
Quoting DL021 (Reply 11): Get something you enjoy shooting and will be able to practice with......alot. Carrying is a responsibility and if you plan on doing it do the smart and responsible thing and practice......alot. Learn the laws too.
I'm used to carrying and old POS M9 thats probably older than I am.
The conceal thing will be new too me which will take a little getting used too, but I guess the course you have too take in MN is a decent one. I know one of the instructors and when the weather warms up, he'll be doing another class.
I've been reading alot about laws and have checked out http://handgunlaw.us/ though not sure how accurate all of it is.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12905 times:
Hooo, boy. Books have been written on this issue.
First off, concealability. Honestly it entirely depends on the person what they are able to pack away without others noticing. Right now I'm wearing a full size 1911. Have been wearing it all day. Earlier in a suit and tie, now scrubby jeans & T-shirt. No need to try and work with a micro-compact when you can carry a full sized pistol.
Which is of course, second. Micro-compact pistols. Yeah, they're cute, small and can be hidden anywhere.. and are generally a pain in the ass to keep a grip on. That of course is generally a bad thing in case you ever actually need to keep a grip on it.. such as, having to use the gun. If you have to twist your hand into contortions to hold a firearm, think about how well that will work out for you under stress and full of adrenaline.
Third consideration, micro-bullets. Namely the .22 .25 and .32. I call them nose guns. Because if you ever have to use them your best bet is to jam them up some guys nose before pulling the trigger. These are definately not the caliber to chose if you want to do your shooting from more than spit swapping range... but, they sure as heck beat not having anything at all.
Forth, and most important in my opinion.. how does the gun fit you. In size, function and feel. It doesn't do you any good to get the most desired firearm on the planet if your fingers can't reach the trigger or the recoil is uncomfortable. Some of the newer pistols have customizable grip sizes so that you can fit the pistol to your hand. My advice, take a look around at a store that lets you handle the firearm and see which ones fit your hand. If you can rent firearms even better, test fire the ones that fit you best to see which one you are comfortable with. Just because two pistols are in the same caliber doesn't mean they will feel the same when they fire. Pistols with a high bore axis like the Beretta will have more felt muzzle whip than ones with a low bore axis like the CZ-75. Also, things like double coil recoil springs will actually give some of the compacts less felt recoil impulse than full sized frames.
Fifth, get good leather. Well, okay it doesn't have to be leather per se... Nylon and kydex also work. The point is, get a good holster to hold your pistol. It and you deserve it. Sticking a pistol in a pocket or waistband is a recipe brewed by Darwin.
Okay, mumbjumbo out of the way and onto the fun talk..
CZs. Okay, I know you guys saw that one coming, but I'm serious. The -75s are in my opinon one of the finest combat pistols money can buy in both full size and compact... and they generally are lower priced than most other pistols. The -01 models are the new kids on the block, and only come in 9mm so far, but have lived up to the -75s legacy every inch. Just stay away from the -100 model unless you want to build your finger muscles up.
Glocks. The original combat tupperware. Revolutionary when they came out, the Glock really is the "Meh" of combat firearms. the grip angle really isn't that great and they have case support problems in the high pressure calibers. Glocks do run like machines though.. you really have to try to break them. Bonus: Everyone makes extras for Glocks.
Hi-point. The ugly a sin cheap gun. Yeah, it's fun.. and cheap.. but it's bulky and heavy. Get one to have fun on the range with. Get anything else to carry.
HK. Because you suck. And we hate you.
Ruger. I can't say enough good things about Rugers revolvers.. I can't say enough bad things about Rugers auto loading pistols.
Sigs. Excellent firearms. Sig will appreciate you giving them your bank account numbers too..
S&W. Stay away from the Sigma unless you really just want a Glock knock off... but, the M&P series are outstanding firearms available in 9mm, .40 and .45. the interchangeable grips allow it to be fit to the users hand. I really think the M&P series are better than the Glocks.
Taurus. Here's a little Taurus secret. Their PT-1911 is made on the same assembly line that Springfield 1911s are... and you get an ambi safety. The 24/7 is also good.
Quoting Lobster (Reply 13): Unfortunately I don't have any gun shops around here.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12862 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16): Have you read the story behind "HK: Because you suck. And we hate you"?
Yeah, I have seen it a couple times. I chalk a lot of what it draws from upto the same disease that infects people regarding BMWs. They have likely never driven one but they cum in their pants at the thought of it. However, people who have actually driven them know they are just another car with all the same trade offs as other cars. Some of these people even drive BMWs- others paid less, got as much or more car and don't pay $150 for an oil change every 8,000 miles.
The people who whack off over H&K need to realize its just another 1911 knock off with some minor improvements. Just like Colt needs to realize they are still trying to get almost $1000 for a hundred year old design with not that many improvements. Then again most automatics out there are 1911 knock offs.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12854 times:
I use a Para Warthog 45 for my carry weapon. It is small, it fits in all my cars clove boxes including my motorcycle, powerful and reasonably accurate. It is the gun on the lower right. The only bad thing about it is that it is not exactly cheep, but then if your life is on the line, you don't want to screw around with a cheep weapon.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12852 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 20): A lot of federal agents are trading in their Glocks for FN
I think more people should consider this. I ran 100 rounds through an FN 5-7 and was in love after about the third round. The best comparison for recoil is a BB gun. Also, it gives you 22 chances to hit something instead of 12-16. I shot very well with this gun as would just about anyone who could get past the incredible amount of noise it makes.
My only gripe was I did have some feed issues with the one I fired.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12842 times:
What is an FN? I goggled it and came up with this thing. It looks like a lot of fun but concealment might be a problem and I am sure law enforcement would frown on me if I mounted that on the side of my Mustang.