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Good Concealed Carry Weapon  
User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13668 times:

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I'm looking for advice on a good weapon to carry for a concealed weapons permit. More than likely it will spend more time in my vehicle or house than on my person. So far the Glock 26 seems OK, it's cheap for me because I get military discount, and the size it right. I'm not aware of any other manufacturer that gives decent discounts to military, only LEO's. The other pistol I was looking at was H&K USP compact .40 So anyone have an decent suggestions?

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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13664 times:

Throwing stars




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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13657 times:



Quoting Lobster (Thread starter):
The other pistol I was looking at was H&K USP compact .40

I am a big fan of H&K myself but if this thing is just going to be in the car and used for dropping a dirtbag at the window the Glock will be just fine.. The H&K is just far too much money if you aren't going to take it out and play with it occasionally.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

How about a Kahr? The 9mm looks and feels awesome and the 3.6" barrel is ideal for concealed carry.

http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_cw.html

I have one..and love it. But I can't carry it on person as that is banned in this country...hence this is for range use only.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14129 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13645 times:

Tommy gun in a violin case, 1920s Chicago style?  Silly

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13644 times:

Hmm....how about a Desert Eagle?  scratchchin   wink 

I too am curious. I will be turning 21 soon and will be looking to buy a handgun and obtain my Concealed Carry Permit.
I kind of want to buy an M9 since that is what I'll be issued and have to use when I deploy on active duty so I want to be proficient on it, though I doubt it's easy to carry "concealed" when on your person.


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13641 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 1):
Throwing stars

Nice!!

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 2):
The H&K is just far too much money

Yeah, I was thinking they were spendy, but didn't have a price list handy.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 5):
Hmm....how about a Desert Eagle?

Well, they do make the Baby Eagle, but it's still a little too big. But, if I had the money laying around I'd for sure have me a DE .50 !! Not much use for it, but fun as hell to play with


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 13620 times:

Have you looked at a Springfield Armory XD?

I am a big fan of the XD. They are about the same price as a Glock, have an additional safety, accessories are easy to come by and I think they feel better in my hand. Also, in my opinion the factory trigger pull is a little nicer.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

OK...if you like Glocks (for price and reliability concerns more than anything else) then the GL32 in .357sig is an excellent choice. You can get it with the hogue wrap for the grip and meprolights or some other tritium sights. It's compact enough for easy concealment, and big enough to deal with the recoil. The .357sig round has excellent ballistics (as close as you can get to the .357 magnum round that the DoJ study said was the number-one one-shot-stopper) and you can fit 12 or 13 rounds. You can also use .40S&W mags and if you ever want to you can use the .40 bbl in it to change calibers (not that I think that's worthwhile).

If you want a larger caliber but still compact enough to conceal easily then get an Officers Model (or Defender) .45 ...... Colt of course makes a great one, and Kimber or Springfield make excellent products. My current favorite shooter is the Kimber TLE/RL ..... but they do offer a .45 in a compact model. They will only carry 6 or 7 rounds, but carry the extra mag and practice. Remember that if you miss with all the bullets you can always throw the 1911 at them and do almost as much damage.

Alot will depend on how large you are and how much you will practice. To be good with a Grock you need to spend more time.



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 13601 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
then the GL32 in .357sig is an excellent choice.

I have to disagree.. The ammo is too expensive to really practice with. It is a caliber that needs to just go away much like 10mm and .45GAP

I say stick with the mainstays of automatics.. 9mm Luger, .40S&W or .45ACP. This way your ammunition can be bought anywhere on the way to the range and it is cheap enough you can buy a bunch of it.

Personally, I am a fan of .45 If the first shot blows their head clean off the recoil isn't really an issue.

Also, I hear incredibly mixed reviews on Kimbers.. Some people positively love them.. Other people have horror stories about how inconsistent their quality is. Springfield is pretty universally liked in the 1911 world.

[Edited 2008-01-31 19:36:15]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 13590 times:



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
I say stick with the mainstays of automatics.. 9mm Luger, .40S&W or .45ACP. This way your ammunition can be bought anywhere on the way to the range and it is cheap enough you can buy a bunch of it.

Agree completely,

The one mistake most people make is that they don't practice enough.

The problem with that list though is that most of those are only available on large frame weapons, which you really don't want as a concealed weapon.

I have a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov. I haven't felt the need to conceal carry it, but that would be my first pick over my 1911 and M9.

Second choice would probably be to pick out a Walter P22. That right I said P22, and in 22LR. It is a small caliber weapon, but don't underestimate it's potential. The nice thing is that the scaled up P99 by both Walter and S&W exists if you feel the need to go up to centerfire shells.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 13578 times:

Opinions will vary, so first off let me say that you ought to get what you can shoot most accurately with, and what you are going to be most comfortable carrying if you are going to carry.

Get something you enjoy shooting and will be able to practice with......alot. Carrying is a responsibility and if you plan on doing it do the smart and responsible thing and practice......alot. Learn the laws too.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
I have to disagree.. The ammo is too expensive to really practice with. It is a caliber that needs to just go away much like 10mm and .45GAP

I understand your concern here, but the supply and availability of the 357sig ammo is incredible. Having it become the choice of several federal agencies, as well as police agencies around the country, has helped it become readily available. 10mm is a bit more difficult to find, and .45GAP is even harder.

I find ammo for practice to be no more expensive than the .45 I use (since I never use Wolf or any of the eastern European brands for practice) and I shoot alot of both. I'm not knocking the .45...it's my favorite....but the .357sig is a great round.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
I hear incredibly mixed reviews on Kimbers..

Perhaps in the past, but over the last several years they've been at the top of the marketplace. There's always some poster on some forum who will bitch about anything, and we have to remember that we hear mostly about the bitches rather than the attaboys. I simply see guys at the range, and reports from the guys who bought them at the gunstores and they almost all have had nothing but glowing reviews for their Kimbers.

Springfield is a good pistol....is it better than the Kimber? Hard to tell. They're both sought after. I still like the Colt Gold Cups...it's just that they're not the only game in town anymore when you want a precision, match-quality .45.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6159 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 13573 times:
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I usually carry a CZ70 (32 auto) in my boot. It is a nice small pistol. It doesn't cost much to buy and it is reliable.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
but that would be my first pick over my 1911

I love the 1911, but it so big it is hard to conceal.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 6):
Well, they do make the Baby Eagle, but it's still a little too big. But, if I had the money laying around I'd for sure have me a DE .50 !! Not much use for it, but fun as hell to play with

The DE is a neat gun, but I don't like it. My cousin has one and I have shot it on several occasions. The thing is so big that is impossible to conceal and it is so powerful it is hard to control.



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User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 13557 times:



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 7):
Have you looked at a Springfield Armory XD?

I just did. Thanks. I'm going next week to look to see what they have or can order. Unfortunately I don't have any gun shops around here.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Get something you enjoy shooting and will be able to practice with......alot. Carrying is a responsibility and if you plan on doing it do the smart and responsible thing and practice......alot. Learn the laws too.

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I'm used to carrying and old POS M9 thats probably older than I am.

The conceal thing will be new too me which will take a little getting used too, but I guess the course you have too take in MN is a decent one. I know one of the instructors and when the weather warms up, he'll be doing another class.

I've been reading alot about laws and have checked out http://handgunlaw.us/ though not sure how accurate all of it is.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 13545 times:

Hooo, boy. Books have been written on this issue.

First off, concealability. Honestly it entirely depends on the person what they are able to pack away without others noticing. Right now I'm wearing a full size 1911. Have been wearing it all day. Earlier in a suit and tie, now scrubby jeans & T-shirt. No need to try and work with a micro-compact when you can carry a full sized pistol.

Which is of course, second. Micro-compact pistols. Yeah, they're cute, small and can be hidden anywhere.. and are generally a pain in the ass to keep a grip on. That of course is generally a bad thing in case you ever actually need to keep a grip on it.. such as, having to use the gun. If you have to twist your hand into contortions to hold a firearm, think about how well that will work out for you under stress and full of adrenaline.

Third consideration, micro-bullets. Namely the .22 .25 and .32. I call them nose guns. Because if you ever have to use them your best bet is to jam them up some guys nose before pulling the trigger. These are definately not the caliber to chose if you want to do your shooting from more than spit swapping range... but, they sure as heck beat not having anything at all.

Forth, and most important in my opinion.. how does the gun fit you. In size, function and feel. It doesn't do you any good to get the most desired firearm on the planet if your fingers can't reach the trigger or the recoil is uncomfortable. Some of the newer pistols have customizable grip sizes so that you can fit the pistol to your hand. My advice, take a look around at a store that lets you handle the firearm and see which ones fit your hand. If you can rent firearms even better, test fire the ones that fit you best to see which one you are comfortable with. Just because two pistols are in the same caliber doesn't mean they will feel the same when they fire. Pistols with a high bore axis like the Beretta will have more felt muzzle whip than ones with a low bore axis like the CZ-75. Also, things like double coil recoil springs will actually give some of the compacts less felt recoil impulse than full sized frames.

Fifth, get good leather. Well, okay it doesn't have to be leather per se... Nylon and kydex also work. The point is, get a good holster to hold your pistol. It and you deserve it. Sticking a pistol in a pocket or waistband is a recipe brewed by Darwin.

Okay, mumbjumbo out of the way and onto the fun talk..

Recomendations:

CZs. Okay, I know you guys saw that one coming, but I'm serious. The -75s are in my opinon one of the finest combat pistols money can buy in both full size and compact... and they generally are lower priced than most other pistols. The -01 models are the new kids on the block, and only come in 9mm so far, but have lived up to the -75s legacy every inch. Just stay away from the -100 model unless you want to build your finger muscles up.

Glocks. The original combat tupperware. Revolutionary when they came out, the Glock really is the "Meh" of combat firearms. the grip angle really isn't that great and they have case support problems in the high pressure calibers. Glocks do run like machines though.. you really have to try to break them. Bonus: Everyone makes extras for Glocks.

Hi-point. The ugly a sin cheap gun. Yeah, it's fun.. and cheap.. but it's bulky and heavy. Get one to have fun on the range with. Get anything else to carry.

HK. Because you suck. And we hate you.

Ruger. I can't say enough good things about Rugers revolvers.. I can't say enough bad things about Rugers auto loading pistols.

Sigs. Excellent firearms. Sig will appreciate you giving them your bank account numbers too..

S&W. Stay away from the Sigma unless you really just want a Glock knock off... but, the M&P series are outstanding firearms available in 9mm, .40 and .45. the interchangeable grips allow it to be fit to the users hand. I really think the M&P series are better than the Glocks.

Taurus. Here's a little Taurus secret. Their PT-1911 is made on the same assembly line that Springfield 1911s are... and you get an ambi safety. The 24/7 is also good.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 13):
Unfortunately I don't have any gun shops around here.

I bet you do and you just don't know it.

Go here and do a search for your zip code:

http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp

That's the list of every licensed firearms dealer. Some of them are private guys, but a lot of them have stores.

Good luck.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 13537 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
HK. Because you suck. And we hate you.

People keep saying that.. and then in the next breath ask if I will let them shoot my USP .45 again.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 13530 times:

Have you read the story behind "HK: Because you suck. And we hate you"?

It's really quite funny.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7321 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 13517 times:
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Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
he Glock really is the "Meh" of combat firearms



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
Sigs. Excellent firearms

The best cost the most.  yes 

My carry is a P229. I qualifed on a P226 for my conceal carry in Texas.




Disclaimer: Sig Sauer pays me.

A lot of amateur opinions on this board about carry weapons. A short list of Anet members to consider chatting with would be:


  • Queso
  • MiamiAir
  • MDorBust
  • ANCflyer


Hope my  twocents  helped.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13502 times:



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Have you read the story behind "HK: Because you suck. And we hate you"?

Yeah, I have seen it a couple times. I chalk a lot of what it draws from upto the same disease that infects people regarding BMWs. They have likely never driven one but they cum in their pants at the thought of it. However, people who have actually driven them know they are just another car with all the same trade offs as other cars. Some of these people even drive BMWs- others paid less, got as much or more car and don't pay $150 for an oil change every 8,000 miles.

The people who whack off over H&K need to realize its just another 1911 knock off with some minor improvements. Just like Colt needs to realize they are still trying to get almost $1000 for a hundred year old design with not that many improvements. Then again most automatics out there are 1911 knock offs.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Would have to say SIG which I currently carry:


Sig P245

I also have a SW MP 9mm which I have taught my wife to shoot on and she enjoys it. I would also recommend Kimber.

Hell if all else fails...



Get a grizzly bear gun.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7321 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13495 times:
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Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 19):
Get a grizzly bear gun

ANCflyer's wilderness carry.

 rotfl 

A lot of federal agents are trading in their Glocks for FN. I would consider carrying one.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

I use a Para Warthog 45 for my carry weapon. It is small, it fits in all my cars clove boxes including my motorcycle, powerful and reasonably accurate. It is the gun on the lower right. The only bad thing about it is that it is not exactly cheep, but then if your life is on the line, you don't want to screw around with a cheep weapon.


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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 13492 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
A lot of federal agents are trading in their Glocks for FN

I think more people should consider this. I ran 100 rounds through an FN 5-7 and was in love after about the third round. The best comparison for recoil is a BB gun. Also, it gives you 22 chances to hit something instead of 12-16. I shot very well with this gun as would just about anyone who could get past the incredible amount of noise it makes.

My only gripe was I did have some feed issues with the one I fired.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 13482 times:

What is an FN? I goggled it and came up with this thing. It looks like a lot of fun but concealment might be a problem and I am sure law enforcement would frown on me if I mounted that on the side of my Mustang.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Paris_Air_Show_2007-06-24_n24.jpg/800px-Paris_Air_Show_2007-06-24_n24.jpg


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 13478 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seveN

It's Wiki but its good enough.


25 Airfoilsguy : WOW, I think I found my new gun to purchase. It looks expensive though. How much do they usually run. The ammo looks unique as well. Is ammo hard to
26 CaptOveur : About $1000 The ammo is slightly more than .45 though its hard to come by (wal-mart doesnt stock it)
27 Airfoilsguy : Can you fire it at a pistol range or do you have to go to a rifle range?
28 CaptOveur : The one I fired was at a pistol range but if it is an indoor range I would suggest asking if their backstop is up to the task.
29 Post contains links and images Miamiair : It has been said by others, but it bears repeating: Get something you are comfortable with. Become familiar with it. Shoot often. Take a defensive pis
30 Post contains images Queso : I'm really late to this thread, but I'll throw in my two cents. I'll try to group these quotes by subject. Lobster, how much time to you have so far w
31 MDorBust : Personally, I think the recoil from full power .40 S&W rounds is more harsh than that from the .45 ACP in most frames.
32 Queso : Even 9mm seems more harsh to some, but it's usually perceived recoil due to the sound of the higher pressure cartridge rather than the push from the
33 MDorBust : You know, I could do that math to finally figure out if a 165gr .40 S&W has more energy than a 230gr .45 ACP.. but, meh.. that's math.
34 DL021 : One more thing about Glock...carrying it is very easy, and it's comfortable. It's impervious to pretty much anything you try to do to it. It doesn't s
35 Post contains images Fumanchewd : You jerk. I actually got excited with your link and was going to buy one. I like light guns with power and this is definitely cool. All of the source
36 Post contains links Queso : No. That's marketing hype just like ammo that is marked "Law Enforcement Use Only". http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Ca...ique-Nationale/Other-Semi-
37 SBBRTech : Man, that's a lot of guns. Some look quite sleek, almost like toys. I always wondered: are you allowed to test (one little shot, maybe) weapons in the
38 Post contains images Fumanchewd : " target=_blank>http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search/Ca...o.htm Oooh. Thank you Queso. Do you have to be a dealer to buy this though? Are these availabl
39 MDorBust : Some stores that have attached ranges will rent out firearms. It usually won't be the specific firearm you are going to buy, but a store owned one of
40 Lobster : I've shot a few full size, but nothing compact. My pistol experience is basically the Beretta 9mm LOL. At least we finally got M-4's. But thats a who
41 Airfoilsguy : There is a range I go to in Columbus that also sells guns. They have guns you can rent for like 5 to 10 bucks. They have anything from derringers, De
42 Queso : You can at some places, or you might find a range that rents the gun you're interested in for a day to make sure you like it. It might even be worth
43 Airfoilsguy : The more I look at that, the more I think that it looks just like my Para Warthog. Are they made by the same company?
44 SBBRTech : I see. But have any handgun been classified in that category? I ask it 'cos there's the Desert Eagle, which from what I've seen and heard it's quite
45 DL021 : You can buy pretty much what you like as long as it's not fully automatic. I believe that calibers over .50 (unless it's black powder) are considered
46 Airfoilsguy : The 500 makes the D.E. feel like a ladies gun. I shot 20 rounds out of one and my hand hurt for the rest of the day. You can actually feel the concus
47 BCAInfoSys : You're not kidding! Last time I was in SLC there was a Russian guy that was 4 or 5 stalls over shooting a bigass .500. I'm telling you, the concussio
48 Miamiair : I like my AR SBR with a 7" barrel. Took it to the indoor range to sight it in. Big mistake. Where are all those flash bulbs coming from??? Big pressu
49 Fumanchewd : Ok. I'll im you in the next month and we can see where it goes.
50 Post contains images Queso : They're both 1911 frames, that's why they look so much alike. They are made by different companies. ParaOrdinance ironically is made in Canada. Let m
51 Airfoilsguy : Of course nothing beats the 12 pound Coehorn Mortar Cannon for concussion. Good for reducing the local cat population or so I have heard.
52 Post contains images SBBRTech : No wonder why you folks are weapon experts. Holy damn. Didn't know about it, but from the pics I got in Google it looks like something Dirty Harry wo
53 Post contains links and images Queso : The .500S&W is a puss. Try a .45-70 in a revolver with NO muzzle brake. 2,700 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, 500-grain cast lead bullet out of the 10.5" ba
54 Queso : I'm not an expert.
55 Airfoilsguy : About $2.00 a piece If I am not mistaken that bear gun in reply 19 is a 500.[Edited 2008-02-01 11:08:47]
56 MDorBust : Practical only for hunting purposes and impressing folks at the range. More than $1 per bang.
57 Queso : And dinging the hell out of full-size ram silhouettes at 200 yards.
58 Post contains links and images Miamiair : Why ding them when you can make them "holy?" The cure for inadequacy...
59 Post contains images Queso : 'Cause they don't allow Ma Deuce out at the silhouette pistol range! And if I want to ventilate silhouettes, trust me, I can do that easily enough wi
60 Post contains images DL021 : On the other hand I'm a qualified expert with the M16A1, M16A2, M60, M1911A1, M9, and sharpshooter with the M249 (I was having too much fun on that r
61 Queso : I've been through two of his training courses. That guy knows his shit.
62 MDorBust : Well now, this sounds like a new event at the next meet.
63 Post contains images DL021 : I'll bring the gas and the masks.....you just have to participate first.
64 Post contains images MDorBust : Alright. I'll demonstrate the take down on the M9... you can do the AR.
65 DL021 : Shit...I'm gonna have to wear glasses....I can't wear contacts when being gassed.
66 Post contains links and images Swatpamike : Hello All And MDorBust gets a kickback from Sig for every gun that gets sold. Try a Kel-Tec, the P11 or P3AT are fine to carry. http://www.kel-tec-cnc
67 Post contains images KaiGywer : It is a nice gun, however, I'm more a fan of the midsize frame, such as the 23 or 19. I had one, and I just sold it. It's a nice gun, but is a fullsi
68 Post contains links and images PWM2TXLHopper : I'm a delivery driver who is often carrying lots of cash when I'm out working at night. I hold a CCL here in Maine, and carry a Ruger SP101, 5 round,
69 Queso : I used to have a SP101, what ammo do you carry in yours? Do you carry speedloaders too, and do you practice using them? I'm not going to call you old
70 DL021 : Nah....that's probably the best glove box gun they ever made. Indestructible (or nearly so) the best round to use, controllable and short of ammo fai
71 PWM2TXLHopper : I usually carry regular factory load 110gr or 125gr JHP from Remington or Winchester. I'd like to experiment with other brands and premium ammo, but
72 Post contains images TedTAce : I was just going to lurk this thread until I read: I had never thought to think about it like this, and an excellently valid point!!
73 Post contains links Queso : Some people might be very surprised at the way the truth gets twisted around in a courtroom when a gun is involved. Take a look at the description of
74 Post contains images DL021 : I understand and agree, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a couple in the glove box or on you as you walk to make deposits. Running out of ammo leaves you
75 Miamiair : That what the platic containers 35mm film used to come in were great for. While there can be a huge amount of discussion over this, I prefer to have
76 DL021 : My motto exactly. I'd rather hump the shit and bitch about the weight than walk light and run outta shit I need.
77 CaptOveur : Sorry for the slow response, I was a political prisoner for a few days It is not easy to find 5.7mm ammo. Most gun stores that sell the gun will carry
78 Dougloid : of course it is. The two topics are joined like Chang and Eng , doncha know? Anyway, isn't gun control being able to hit your intended target?[Edited
79 Post contains images Kmh1956 : Just out of curiosity...and I'm not trying to start a gun/anti-gun debate here, trust me...but what is the point of carrying a concealed weapon? I wou
80 CaptOveur : Self Defense I won't argue that point. However, that isn't how the lawmakers see it. I think one state does allow open carry- I want to say its New M
81 Kmh1956 : I can't help but think that if you're carrying a concealed weapon in the wrong place at the wrong time (walking past a liquor store as it's being rob
82 Miamiair : Usually I wear it on a holster on my right hip or in a gun bag. What you are aluding to is called "Mexican Carry." And yes with the wrong kind of fir
83 Airfoilsguy : I think it is better to keep them (the criminal) guessing then to show your hand. Also, most people who see a person out of uniform carrying a gun ge
84 Queso : Carrying concealed gives you a huge tactical advantage if a situation ever prsents itself where the use of deadly force is needed and also prevents a
85 CaptOveur : In just about every state concealed weapon license holders go through a class and a fairly deep background check. Also, the chances of you matching t
86 Airfoilsguy : If the weapon is concealed how would anyone know you are carrying it?
87 DL021 : Well, in my state the law specifies that you are authorized to use deadly force in self defence or in the defence of another who is being threatened
88 Post contains links CaptOveur : I found it finally. This is a place near DAY (actually just outside the fence from the airport) that rents an FN 5-7 along with anything XD, most Gloc
89 Post contains images Lobster : Now THAT would be fun!! Last summer I got tasked out to do range coverage for our sniper detachment. They had just gotten their .50's and normally at
90 Post contains links PWM2TXLHopper : Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 80): I won't argue that point. However, that isn't how the lawmakers see it. I think one state does allow open carry- I want
91 Post contains links PWM2TXLHopper : There's a place like that that I like to visit occasionally near MHT called the Manchester Firing Line. There are no public indoor ranges in my state
92 Kmh1956 : Thanks for the answers, guys. I appreciate it. Good point.
93 Post contains images Queso : Alaska allows it too. I disagree. A bank is a Federally regulated institution with regard to it's financial operations but it is a privately owned bu
94 Miamiair : Same in Florida.
95 Airfoilsguy : Ohio as well, as a matter of fact Florida and Ohio have similar gun laws. My Ohio CCW is good in Florida as well as some other states. There used to
96 Miamiair : It is still around. It was packing.org, now it has a new name. I have it bookmarked at home.
97 Post contains links Queso : I used to go to packing.org a lot too. Now I use http://www.handgunlaw.us
98 PWM2TXLHopper : Hmm, that's strange... My CCL expired recently and state law required I take another CCL class to renew it, so I spent seven hours in class on Saturd
99 MDorBust : Banks being counted as Federal facilities like Post Offices is a long standing myth. There is no Federal level law prohibiting the carry of a firearm
100 Queso : I've seen a lot of instructors who make their own interpretations of situations into fact (not saying for sure that's what is happening in this case)
101 CaptOveur : My dad just got his Ohio CCL and they told him to carry in Florida he needs to fill out the Florida paperwork and submit it. Which they recommended d
102 CALTECH : Now I'm in a better thread. I like my E.A.A. 9mm Witness for my personal concealed carry. My Beretta .25 is so small, it is unnoticeable. My Witness a
103 Queso : .25 is less effective than .22LR though. And for the same size and less weight, I carry a KelTec P3AT in .380 when I need a mousegun. They even make
104 PWM2TXLHopper : If you're forced to use that on somebody else who's armed, I think you're more likely to seriously just piss off the assailant and maybe even get sho
105 Miamiair : There are several .22LR pistols that aren't bad, and if all else fails, it is better than nothing. Walther's P-22 is such a pistol. I have one which
106 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Guess what I bought over the week end. I will post a pic after I get off work. The place where I bought my FN had a Barret 50, DAMN that thing is hea
107 Miamiair : That is pricy. $8200.00 with a scope that will handle the shake, ratlle and roll... So whadya get?
108 Airfoilsguy : The FN 5-7
109 Miamiair : Congrats... Enjoy.
110 Pope : I know very little about the 5-7 but from what I've read, aren't you worried about over penetration? It seems that the bullet is very fast and it ret
111 Airfoilsguy : Not for what I am going to use it for. It won't be my self defense weapon, I have a Ruger and a Para for that. I am going to use it for target shooti
112 Lobster : Well, I've made my mind up that I'm getting a Springfield Armory XD, either a 40 or 45. I'm heading to the store tomorrow and will go with whichever o
113 CaptOveur : If you are set on .22LR I suggest the Ruger 10/22 It is one of my favorites. However, for varmit hunting look into something in .17 caliber. It is mu
114 Miamiair : Great gun, and you can't beat it for the price. I just gave one to my Godson for Christmas. $210.00. If you want something neat, try the Walther G-22
115 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : I had one for a while and found myself rather unimpressed with it. It is very picky with ammo and how well it feeds, it's relatively difficult to swi
116 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Try a Sig Trailside if you can find one. I love mine.
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