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Berkeley Votes To Kick Out Marines  
User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Check this out:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327466,00.html

I say remove all the fed money and see what they say.

Dan in Jupiter

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4103 times:
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Stupid.

The country that gives them the chance to make statements like this was built on the backs of U.S. Marines, and ll the other armed forces.


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

REALLY stupid.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Thread starter):

I say remove all the fed money and see what they say.



[Edited 2008-02-01 12:06:48]


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4084 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Stupid.

The country that gives them the chance to make statements like this was built on the backs of U.S. Marines, and ll the other armed forces.

Very true and forever grateful; however

U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley, Calif., no longer deserves federal money.

Since when did Berkeley become a concern for a Senator from South Carolina?


User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4071 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Since when did Berkeley become a concern for a Senator from South Carolina?

Well since the Marines are a federal service, and while he is from S. Carolina, he is an American first.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4071 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Since when did Berkeley become a concern for a Senator from South Carolina?

As long as he's got the balls to say so, he' s OK in my book. Berkeley is one city I have no desire to ever go to. I like the bay area, but this city puts San Fran to shame. After all, Berkeley is the same city that banned the American Flag on their fire trucks shortly after 9/11 because of "security". Uh huh.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

The next time Berkeley suffers from an earthquake, fire or other California calamity, they will of course ask for help from the National Guard and other nearby military forces.

When that call comes and the troops hear where the emergency is, justice would be where the soldiers sit right back down to their card game and laugh themselves silly.

But of course they won't do that. Because they are better people than those Berkely idiots, and will put willingly put themselves in harm's way to help them.


User currently offlineFLYB6JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Here is a direct link to a roster of Berkeley City Council members, including the mayor. It includes e-mail addresses.

http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/citycouncil/general/councilroster.html

I e-mailed and told them each how appalled I was. I hope every single one of them who voted to kick them out gets voted out when they come up for re-election. Too bad they can't do a recall vote.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Nothing in California surprises me anymore. This is laughable. Oh well at least codepink is happy.

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Dear AlQaida:

If you're looking for your next target in the US, may we suggest Berkeley. If they're not going to support us then we're not going to support them.

Signed,
USMC


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4035 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
The country that gives them the chance to make statements like this was built on the backs of U.S. Marines, and ll the other armed forces.

Well the US was built on slavery too... I don't think history should be the determining factor. That said I think it's ridiculous that at a time like this, that they are pulling a stunt like this. What's the point of this action anyway? What are these morons trying to achieve?

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
When that call comes and the troops hear where the emergency is, justice would be where the soldiers sit right back down to their card game and laugh themselves silly.

So you want to punish innocent people for the stupidity of their local government? That approach has not really been wildly successful overseas (Iraq) what makes you think it's the right approach domestically?


YOWza



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User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4024 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
When that call comes and the troops hear where the emergency is, justice would be where the soldiers sit right back down to their card game and laugh themselves silly.

So you want to punish innocent people for the stupidity of their local government? That approach has not really been wildly successful overseas (Iraq) what makes you think it's the right approach domestically?

How come you didn't finish his quote?:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
When that call comes and the troops hear where the emergency is, justice would be where the soldiers sit right back down to their card game and laugh themselves silly.

But of course they won't do that. Because they are better people than those Berkely idiots, and will put willingly put themselves in harm's way to help them.

Just a question.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Bunch of SoCal fruitloop Tree-Hugging Nut Jobs . . .

Screw Berkeley, cut off the Federal $$$ . . . all of it.

That whole Southern California sliding into the Pacific thing comes back to mind . . .

Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
So you want to punish innocent people for the stupidity of their local government? That approach has not really been wildly successful overseas (Iraq) what makes you think it's the right approach domestically?

It's be NICE if you'd quote the entire context of the statement instead of picking and choosing just to make a veiled (and failed) attempt at flamebait.

I agree, next time the earth shakes or there's a riot, screw Berkeley . . . and the rest of the damn bunny huggers . . . let 'em defend themselves . . . cause they'll be the FIRST ones screaming for help.

Panty Waists.

[Edited 2008-02-01 12:39:40]

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4001 times:
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Berkeley isn't in So Cal and those of us from So Cal might find your idea offensive.

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

When I first read the title of this thread, I assumed there was barracks in Berkeley or something and Marines were in the streets all the time causing a ruckus, but all this just because of a recruiting office??? What if somebody from Berkeley wants to join the Marines?


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3996 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 13):
Berkeley isn't in So Cal and those of us from So Cal might find your idea offensive.

Hell, it's close enough. Anything south of say . . . Marin County???

'Cept you and Superfly of course  wink 


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3986 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 13):
Berkeley isn't in So Cal and those of us from So Cal might find your idea offensive.

Damn straight  wink  .....Berkeley is and always has been a bunch of nuts and flakes.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3982 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Nothing in California surprises me anymore.

 sarcastic  Like Berkeley speaks for California.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Bunch of SoCal fruitloop Tree-Hugging Nut Jobs . . .

Come on Pep, I'm sure you have lots of Military contacts in SAN. This is a military town without question. Don't include us in with your "SoCal fruitloop Tree-Hugging Nut Jobs." (As been noted Berkeley is in Northern California. Don't offend us by including us with them  grumpy   Wink )

Dave



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3963 times:



Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 11):
Just a question.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):

It's be NICE if you'd quote the entire context of the statement instead of picking and choosing just to make a veiled (and failed) attempt at flamebait.

My point was that the federal gov is at least sensible enough to not do something so stupid so even entertaining the idea is totally out of the question. That's why only the first paragraph was relevant. If you read my entire post you would see that I'm squarely behind the US Federal Gov an military in this instance. No flaimbait of any kind.

YOWza



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3960 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 17):
This is a military town without question.

How do you explain the USS Iowa incident?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../archive/2005/08/24/cstillwell.DTL

And their own attempted ban on military recruiters?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...f=/c/a/2005/11/09/BAG9RFKD1C82.DTL


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3951 times:



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 19):

Dude I was talking about SAN not SFO  Wink.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3945 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 20):
Dude I was talking about SAN not SFO

Oops, my mistake. Sorry.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39703 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

You boys having fun?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Bunch of SoCal fruitloop Tree-Hugging Nut Jobs . . .

Screw Berkeley, cut off the Federal $$$ . . . all of it.

That whole Southern California sliding into the Pacific thing comes back to mind . . .

If you were not a friend, I'd would have a fields day ridiculing your lack of geography skills. Berkeley is northern California. We up here in northern California pride ourselves in NOT being anything like southern California.
Southern California, especially Orange and San Diego county is very conservative and out of step with the rest of the state.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
'Cept you and Superfly of course

Thanks for sparing me in your wish.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 17):
Come on Pep, I'm sure you have lots of Military contacts in SAN. This is a military town without question.

DavestanKSAN is right. San Diego is a military town.

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 14):
What if somebody from Berkeley wants to join the Marines?

Just walk a few blocks south to Oakland to a recruiting office.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 19):
How do you explain the USS Iowa incident?

That was here in San Francisco.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 19):
And their own attempted ban on military recruiters?

That was here in San Francisco.



I don't understand why there was an office in Berkeley to begin with. I doubt they recruited hardly anyone given the social climate in Berkeley. To have an office there seems like government waste.
Finally, Senator Jim DeMint wouldn't like it of Barbara Boxer mettled in South Carolina issues so he should mind his own business as well. Senator Jim DeMint should more concerned about those who still can't read & write in his state and controlling the amount of his people with rickets.








Have A Nice Day

[Edited 2008-02-01 13:22:52]


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3878 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
To have an office there seems like government waste.

Common sense apparently is not allowed in this discussion.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
they will of course ask for help from the National Guard

It's called the California National Guard, falls under the Governor..nice try..

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I agree, next time the earth shakes or there's a riot, screw Berkeley

They always seem to call the California Highway Patrol first anyways.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Screw Berkeley, cut off the Federal $$$ . . . all of it.

In the grand scheme of things, Berkeley proper gets little in Federal dollars as compare to its total budget.

Whatever happen to people tolerating individuals that have different opinions? I'm sure a good portion of the Berkeley residents aren't in favor of this. Why isn't anyone bashing Brattleboro, Vermont?


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3870 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Just walk a few blocks south to Oakland to a recruiting office.

Precisely. It's not like Berkeley is prohibiting its residents from joining the armed forces or anything. They just don't want the military to be able to spread propaganda (and it is propaganda, whether or not you agree with its message) to convince people to join. I figure as long as Berkeley keeps paying its federal taxes (and let's face it, it does a lot more for our country than that, with its top-notch university cranking out thousands of highly qualified future workers), it's fulfilling its obligations to the federal government.



Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
25 Post contains images NWA742 : Couldn't be said better. Have you no regard for the Golden Gate Bridge? It wouldn't look so nice or work that well being split in half like that... -
26 NIKV69 : Cause it reflects on the entire town not to mention it's the people that put local government in place. As for the war it has been successful, you ju
27 YOWza : Well you're on your own there. Along with everybody else in this thread I've agreed that such action would be ridiculous and that the federal governm
28 Sprout5199 : The worst part is I remember when most of San Fran/Oakland was pro military. Guess they are still mad about closing Alameda NAS. Is Treasure Island s
29 Post contains images Tom in NO : Thank goodness LoCal and the OC have something right (didn't you NoCal'ers produce Feinstein, Boxer, and Pelosi ?! ) Tom at MSY
30 Falcon84 : That's your anger talking, Charles, nothing else. I think they're loons as well, but freedom is a bitch, isn't it? What the Marines should say, in ta
31 Post contains images Superfly : Nope. Those housing units over there are used for low-income housing now. Yep and very proud of it! Did you LoCal'ers produce Randy Cunningham, Bob D
32 JpetekYXMD80 : Exactly. Thats just low. Joking about terrorist attacks. Haha. Funny, Queso.
33 Dougloid : And during the war between the states to decide that very question, a helluva lot of folks in Canada sat on the sidelines and made a great deal of mo
34 Tom in NO : .....and George Deukmejian and Ronald Reagan. Tom at MSY
35 Post contains images Superfly : The list gets worse an worse for LoCal.
36 Sprout5199 : Low income housing? The views from there were great. Dan in Jupiter
37 Post contains images SBBRTech : So all a county/city needs to do is to vote and tell the military to screw themselves ???? Can you hear Bin Laden yelling "Have a taste of your own ci
38 Post contains images Superfly : Low income housing with great great views.
39 YOWza : The purpose of my bringing up slavery was to make a point that history was not relevant in this case. I was in no way taking a pot shot, so why don't
40 Post contains images N1120A : Oh really? You mean the same South Carolina that was the capital of the Confederacy? We are waiting on the check refunding our money you are spending
41 AirCop : Now he was a do-nothing governor. Funny about RR, who got his political start as President of a union.. If Northern California is such a bad place, a
42 N1120A : Further, if us Californians know nothing about economics, how come we are supporting the rest of the country?
43 Superfly : ...and paying top-dollar for property here? I don't see any foreclosures here like in the rest of the country. They're still waiting for some miracle
44 Steeler83 : There are pockets of such lunacy all over the country! Yes, Southern California is pretty much known for that. Look at all the folks in Hollywood (mo
45 Jetblueguy22 : Wow I say cut all money going to them and see what they think about that. Or send them to Iraq I'm sure they'd love that. Blue
46 Lufthansa411 : This has turned into a military vs. non military debate. What really should be discussed is why Berkeley did it. Did the military try and aggressively
47 Queso : Knowing you feel that way puts a warmness in my heart and lets me know I'm right on target with my thinking. God Bless the USA, with the exception of
48 Halls120 : Any American can express his or her opinion about what happens in America. Last time I checked, anyway.
49 Superfly : True, but the irony is that this is coming from a South Carolina conservative. A state in a region that is notorious for being hostile to those that
50 Mike89406 : Unfortunately our nation is divided more than ever and times have changed. I remember when most people were patriotic and flew the flag with pride. I
51 Falcon84 : Actually, that kind of thinking is what got people killed during the last Reich, Queso, if you think about it. You don't like what they stand for, an
52 Post contains links 767Lover : "California has the nation's largest volume of foreclosures and a foreclosure rate among the top five." Perata acknowledged that fraud, speculation a
53 N1120A : He was talking about Northern California. Orange County and the Inland Empire (the two most conservative areas in SoCal) practically invented sub-pri
54 767Lover : The abc story says that Bay Area foreclosures are up 200 percent over 2006.
55 BAGoldEx : "The Corps" can eat crap as far as I'm concerned. What benefit does their presence in Berkeley really serve? Who in Berkeley is stupid enough to join
56 Mike89406 : I don't really agree with the whole scenerio however I'm in the military (not the Corps though) and I'm not bashing Berkley. It really doesn't mater
57 EvilForce : LMAO! It's so funny to listen to you conservatives drone on about how you fight to keep America free, and the freedoms which our Constitution give us
58 Superfly : 767Lover: I was speaking more specifically about Berkeley and San Francisco. Thanks for the links anyhow. Back on topic. He would have done very well
59 JCS17 : Simple idea... "Any city that expels the United States Armed Forces from operating within their city limits is ineligible from any federal funds."
60 NIKV69 : Yea really, that is almost as bad as Schumer, Rangel and Nadler.
61 Post contains images Superfly : My three favorite New Yorkers!
62 Post contains links and images Aaron747 : You primates really show your ignorance with this kind of knee-jerk thought garbage. There's a lot of things I don't like about other states but I do
63 Queso : Unfortunately. Cool your jets, man. You have to take everything SO seriously and you're always looking for some avenue of verbal attack. We're all Am
64 ANCFlyer : I'll tell you about Hypocrites . . . it's these panty waisted Bunny Hugging Screwballs that want nothing to do with authority (e.g. the Police) or th
65 EvilForce : Agreed. You can't have it both ways. But seriously, is some silly motion Berkley is considering really a big deal? I mean do you think for a moment I
66 Aaron747 : You might not, but I can rattle off the names of several Democratic gun control windbags from states other than Texas who would fill the airwaves wit
67 EvilForce : Well of course they would. Because while they are on the air or writing their rants, their marketing people (like me) would be getting a direct mail
68 Post contains images Queso : Uh....no....uh..... that was water you heard running in there..... close the door and go away! And knock next time!
69 DL021 : Good God....the city of Berkely passes an idiotic (or thinks about passing an idiotic ordinance)....the world comes to an end. But Berkeley the city i
70 Post contains images 767Lover : Excellent post.
71 Post contains images Elite : What a bunch of idiots. They are the people that defend us when needed. They fight so we don't have to. This country was built on people fighting for
72 NIKV69 : Primates? That's a new one. As for California it would do better as it's own Island somewhere in the pacific. Great, I have driven the entire state,
73 Post contains images Superfly : Access to parking? I guess you've never been to Berkeley. I never understood why such a small community has such a big parking problem. But everythin
74 Dougloid : Your choice of metaphor was like a fumble fingered rookie dentist using one of those horrible metal probes and striking the mother of all nerves. Cho
75 Post contains images Halls120 : Excellent photos, Aaron. I would note that there are no people in your pictures, which is an interesting omission. A "we love the state but not the p
76 Post contains images Aaron747 : Not going to waste another byte responding to your endless stream of intellectual excrement from here on... Something like that. Spent 17 years of my
77 EvilForce : Hey who am I to challenge the sanity of that statement. It's far less crazy than some people's I lived on the central coast for a little over 2 years
78 DL021 : Yeah, I've been there. The reason I included that was that one of the things they were going to do for code pink was provide a parking spot on a regu
79 Falcon84 : They have every right to do that, Elite. This is not a nation run by the military, Thank God. Again, you can disagree with them, as I do, but America
80 Lobster : Yes, but unfortunately those citizens you speak of can't apply that logic the other way. The least they could do is show some respect towards our fig
81 Eaa3 : Let´s not forget that the University of California Berkeley operates a huge national laboratory both in Berkeley and in Livermore. Important discover
82 Lobster : You know, after reading this post, I looked at Codepink's website. I'm ashamed that they are American's. Look up a few things on YouTube and one of th
83 Post contains images Halls120 : Military importance of Berkeley? Maybe 50 years ago, perhaps, but if the Lawrence Livermore lab was in the city limits, I suspect it would have been
84 Falcon84 : There's nothing in the Constitution that says American citizens have to do that, is there? That's my point. Freedom isn't only for people who respect
85 Post contains images Cfalk : That is all true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't shun them and humiliate them whenever we can.
86 ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha, Yup. No doubt about that, for certain. And there's NOTHING that says the military has to respect those fruitloops Mine too.
87 JpetekYXMD80 : It seems like nearly everyone in this thread is treating the City of Berkeley and the University of California-Berkeley as synonymous. The notion of c
88 Halls120 : "seems" to be a knee-jerk decision? I'd suggest that there is no doubt that it was a completely moronic and juvenile decision by the Berkeley city co
89 JpetekYXMD80 : Okay....and I wouldn't disagree. What is your point? And the bigger issue: where is the correlation that makes it justifiable to take $975,000 in fun
90 Halls120 : My point is that when you say "The council decision seems to be a stupid knee-jerk response", you are suggesting that it might have been a justifiabl
91 JpetekYXMD80 : True, but this is not the place to start to reform that. Take this as a theoretical example. What if some funding was denied to the Naval Academy bec
92 Falcon84 : Agree on both counts. Freedom cuts every which way on this one. Which makes this the greatest country on earth.
93 Halls120 : I'd say it was an appropriate decision, given all the money that is poured into the city by the Naval Academy. What's that saying about not biting th
94 JpetekYXMD80 : It says nothing about it. The Navy wouldn't be biting the hand that feeds it, dipshit city government would. I don't see why that should negatively a
95 Post contains images Steeler83 : How about this scenario: I move to Berkely CA and the average IQ jumps 10 points. I guess the award for most moronic losers per capita goes to that ci
96 Post contains images Toast : Wow... This thread is a real treasure chest of quotes! This, however, is my favorite one. Off topic, but a gem: And of course, what would a thread abo
97 Pope : On March 4, 1789 when the Constitution of the United States took effect, replacing the Articles of Confederation. Next question.
98 Post contains images Falcon84 : Why? Was he around to sign it?
99 DL021 : Toast, I think you don't really readily comprehend the nature of our all-volunteer force. It's not nationalistic or military zealotry that causes us
100 Post contains links and images NoUFO : Well, what FoxNews' article fails to mention (surprise) is that "in a 6-3 vote, the Berkeley City Council has ruled that the U.S. Marines recruiting c
101 Post contains images EvilForce : It's not??? They don't???
102 GuitrThree : Yes, it is, and this one is the real gem...
103 STT757 : I think we have found a place to store Nuclear waste, forget Nevada.
104 Falcon84 : "Delusional" comes to my mind.
105 Toast : Having a military is not the issue... Almost all countries have one... Yeah, I know, join the army, see the world... Be all you can be... We'll get y
106 Lobster : Well, unlike your anarchist self, people around here have respect for the men and woman who have, and continue to serve this fine nation. It's not wh
107 Post contains images Toast : I said California was the world's technological powerhouse... Because it is... Sorry to have offended you... Too late, spent my childhood there. Wow,
108 Halls120 : Actually, most innovation in the Bay area these days comes from the South Bay/Silicon Valley area. That's where the entrepreneurs and innovators are.
109 DL021 : That's some prejudice there. Most of California is "rural, gun-toting America"....outside of the metro areas in LA and the Bay area you aren't going
110 Charles79 : I just read this and I have to applaud the city of Berkeley for taking a stand. They know very well that such a ruling will not stand before a court o
111 767Lover : Is there a reason why they waited 15 years? After all, DADT went into effect in 1993.
112 Toast : Sure most of California is rural - hardly surprising given its size... My point was that some posters treated those folks in Berkeley as if they were
113 NIKV69 : Yep, a good reason. It's called codepink.
114 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Which is really bad when you consider that you come from Pittsburgh. Best comment in this thread IMO. Wealth and prestige that is protected by the sa
115 Yellowstone : Once again, I must point out that Berkeley has not banned the Marines from the town. They passed a bill calling for the Marine recruitment center to
116 Dougloid : Toaster, I may not always agree with you and we'uns all know youse ain't 110 per cent Amurricun, but I have to admit you may have a point here. How m
117 DL021 : I can see how you read that....there's some angry reaction to the idiocy coming out of Berkeley.....you have to remember that alot of the folks spitt
118 MD-90 : Fewer of their children dying in Democrats' and Republicans' needless wars that make America more vulnerable and hasten the bankrupting of our nation
119 Yellowstone : That may be true, but a lack of "book learning" isn't why I'm worried about the military targeting high schoolers with its recruitment efforts. I fin
120 Toast : Seven Nobel prize winners lecturing at UC Berkeley... More than in the whole of Belgium. Here, I think, we disagree most. The police protects people.
121 Post contains images DL021 : We induct 18 year olds into the selective service program, and around the world 18 year olds are either drafted or allowed to volunteer. The US actua
122 Post contains images Lufthansa411 : What if we spent even half of the money that is spent on the military on building infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan. We could provide roads, sch
123 MD-90 : Ah, so is the natural course of diplomacy "do what your US masters demand or we'll invade?"
124 Yellowstone : Still, I think there is a significant maturity gap between an 18 year old fresh out of high school and a 20 or 22 year old who's had a bit more life
125 Mike89406 : See this is normal stereotypical beliefs held by some people in society. Although I do realize that the Army's standards of recruiting aren't as stri
126 Post contains images Lobster : I'm not offended, but it's simply not true. What about East Coast schools, they don't count? MIT, Yale, Harvard? Or Oxford, etc? Sorry, but Berkley i
127 Post contains images MD-90 : We had no business conquering Afghanistan and occupying the country. That war is too expensive and we didn't catch bin Laden, did we? And try not to
128 Yellowstone : Harvard may not be the best example - for a time, it too banned military recruiters from campus (until the federal government threatened to cut fundi
129 Pope : Again you show your ignorance about the US Constitution.
130 Baroque : Nor me neither, but what an extraordinary fight. 109 posts by my count before the reason for the ban was introduced. Talk about the latte set wasting
131 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : But WHY does this city want to push them out ? I mean, a recruiting station of a sector of professional armed forces is not forcing anybody to join t
132 DL021 : They were harboring the people who admittedly planned and ordered the attack on our nation. They refused to hand them over, and we had to go in and g
133 Baroque : Mostly because I think that the reaction to wish destruction on arguably your greatest state (not you but others) to: " "We believe that the youth in
134 DL021 : Thanks for answering. I will agree that the wishes for destruction to our largest state (by population at any rate) are silly. They're the product of
135 Post contains images MDorBust : I guess you didn't realize that this forum is full of military verterans... since we iz stupiz n stuff..
136 Mike89406 : Not all recruiters are misleading although I agree that some hav wUZZ yOU SEID???
137 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : ehhhmm, well, it is obvious ....... it is obvious
138 Mike89406 : There is the smaller percentage of those who have been intentionally misleading having said that those smaller numbers do give the masses a bad name
139 NIKV69 : No, actually codepink has a lot more clout than you think and the left loves to pander to them. Pelosi promised them an end to the war, Hillary and O
140 Lobster : Thankfully people with your views are few and far between. Typical liberal non-sense, rather hug terrorist than kill them. But yeah, we shouldn't of
141 Halls120 : Yes, I know they haven't banned all Marines. But let's be realistic - how many Marines actually live in Berkeley??? Ans since you are being such a st
142 Mike89406 : Exactly, I work with liberal people in the military it's nothing new. Contrary to popular belief they don't care what your party afilliation is they
143 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Your comments about Afghanistan are just laughable. Based on your "we didnt get him" logic, you must fully support Iraq then, since well, we did get
144 Post contains images Aaron747 : Well if anything positive has come out of the progress of this thread, it's that the mindless California-bashing has ceased and criticism has been ref
145 Yellowstone : Military recruiters try to bring their "targets" to the point of view that it is worth it to join the military - that whatever compensation the gover
146 DL021 : Yeah....well, mine did talk alot about his vacation in Hawaii that time....and he was really amped up about jumping out of airplanes and how much chi
147 Mike89406 : Before I joined the Navy I already knew that the only field I would to work in was Aviation and I made it known. My recruiter ensured I at least got
148 Post contains images Halls120 : And why should they? They are RECUITING people to join. Do you think recruiters for any other company or organization give equal time to the reasons
149 Post contains links Mike89406 : Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 145): Military recruiters try to bring their "targets" to the point of view that it is worth it to join the military - that
150 UH60FtRucker : E7? Hell, try E5 these days. College education, whether obtained prior to joining, or during your service obligation, is becoming increasingly import
151 Yellowstone : I completely agree with the two of you on that point. But as it's a biased attempt to swing someone around to a particular point of view, it's still
152 Mike89406 : Your right theres no way around just getting by with just a high school diploma anymore that is if you want any success or make enough money to live
153 UH60FtRucker : Yet we bombard them with "bias attempts to swing someone around to particular point of view" all day long, whether through popular media, through adv
154 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Well, I thought that they realized that all potential terrorists know that Berkeley is in the USA - - I suppose it is their job to convince whomever
155 Post contains links Baroque : You are welcome (to the answer)! I am sure there are nuances about this issue that are totally lost on outsiders. However, even really not understandi
156 Post contains images Halls120 : UH60 beat me to it with an excellent response noted below. There is hardly a facet of modern life that doesn't involve someone who is "biased" trying
157 Post contains images Yellowstone : Maybe this is just a difference between our definitions of propaganda, but I think you make my point for me. Modern advertising techniques are themse
158 Post contains links DL021 : AHA!!! A.net's NonAv forum has made an impact!!! Berkeley officials want to rescind anti-Marines declaration http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_817351
159 ME AVN FAN : - well, they should KEEP the recruitment centre in place, but open up a "peace-centre" right across the road
160 DL021 : as long as they aren't interefering with the recruiting office then that's their right, and I encourage them to spend their money that way.
161 Post contains links 767Lover : Interesting that 78% of the San Francisco Chronicle readers who responded to a poll said they thought Berkeley's efforts were an insult to the Marines
162 MDorBust : Well, when I'm scouting prospective new employees I don't exactly run down the health care benefits list of my competitors for them.. Why the heck sh
163 Yellowstone : College generally doesn't put your life at risk.
164 Mike89406 : College doesn't guarantee a job either or make you rich contrary to popular belief.
165 Halls120 : Ah, the paternalistic response. How utterly predictable. So what makes you so sure you are sufficiently mature enough to judge the relative maturity
166 F9Widebody : As a conservative living in Berkeley going to school at UC Berkeley, let me explain a bit about this city. It operates as if it is a country and elect
167 Post contains images Superfly : Dats right Gawd damn it!
168 Post contains links FlyDeltaJets87 : Really? 1100 suicides a year on college campuses according to ABC News. Source-ABC News 1400 killed each year from alcohol related injuries. Source 2
169 N1120A : Actually, no. There are 15.9 million college students, far more than soldiers in the entire military.
170 Yellowstone : Do you have the figures adjusted for the fact that there are far more students in American colleges than there are active-duty soldiers?
171 Post contains links Baroque : Just FYI http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/terrorism/a/arsuicide.htm "In 2003, 24 soldiers deployed to Kuwait and Iraq committed suicide — a rate of 1
172 UH60FtRucker : Why the hell is this even being debated? Yes military service carries the possibility of being killed in combat. The only thing I can say further to t
173 ME AVN FAN : a Pub should be opened right near both, so that people could meet for discussions and some liquids -
174 FlyDeltaJets87 : You're right. I was only countering the point that there's no chance of dying at college, which is inaccurate. Is there more risk associated with joi
175 Yellowstone : I should have considered this point before making my post, since you do make a very good point. In an ideal world, yes, a student should be informed
176 Baroque : Well there were things I might have posted about college life, although my experience was a bit distant and is now dated. But that sort of detail sta
177 UH60FtRucker : You're absolutely correct. Many kids today are not prepared for military life. They are coming to us fatter, lazier, less disciplined, less respectfu
178 Post contains images Baroque : Sounds as if you need to join the Fabians UH60.
179 Slider : Perhaps not, but the heat not light being generated from it sure does draw a lot of water. And let's not forget the 9th Circuit Court of Communists.
180 Post contains images Yellowstone : I agree with you there. However, I would also ask people to keep an open mind about the many different ways that one can give back to a country. I'm
181 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : I disagree with your opinion, but at least you're consistent. But it's not up to the defense attorney to make the case for the prosecution. Also, ask
182 Mike89406 : There's also a good chance the Aircraft you're flying was fixed by someone with a A & P license, got a degree from Embry-Riddle, or College of Aerona
183 Slider : If you're a conscientious objecter then that's all the more reason to give deference to those who do allow you the freedom to dissent. Allowing the m
184 Post contains links Yellowstone : An update on cnn.com this morning: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/13/berkeley.marines/index.html
185 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - This sounds like a sensible and democratic, almost "Salomonic", solution ! Also positive news are good news !
186 Baroque : As Banco has taught us, what a Burkha!!
187 AirCop : Is this problem mostly an Army problem? Navy and Air Force has complained about the type of recruits they have gotten.What is it somewhere around 70%
188 Post contains images Ctbarnes : The city council meeting was webcast last night. I watched it for about an hour or so. Most of the debate was the usual tired, predictable diatribe fr
189 Post contains links and images Jpax : Now they are burning our flag! http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/ire...vo.irpt.berkeley.protests.ireports
190 Lobster : Damn hippies. They should wrap themselves in it first
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