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EU Citizens : Is Your Nationality "European"?  
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

This Question is logically just to citizens of countries in EU .

Do you feel like a European the same as you feel bounded to your country ?

I feel like a European in first Place and on second a German .

Constantin

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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Even though I live in Canada and have dual citizen ship, I feel just as much European as German, always have. Most people ask me where I'm from, I'll say Europe then Germany to be more specific.

[Edited 2008-02-01 13:07:42]


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
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This is actually a quite interesting question. I've noticed many Germans saying that they feel "European", and it seems a stronger feeling if compared to nationals of other European countries. Why is this? Maybe Germany is kind of the heart of Europe?

I am and will always be Swiss, even in the case Switzerland should join the EU sometimes in the future. It's just that I'm proud of the peculiarities of our country and of my national identity.



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User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

As a whole, most all parts of Europe have similar qualities. Whether you are in France, Italy or the Netherlands, overall, I see many similarities in the ways people think and live. People in Milan live the good life while people in many parts of France do the same. Gastronomy, culture and unique urban metropolises are subject to all parts of Europe.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4035 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
Maybe Germany is kind of the heart of Europe?

Not maybe, it IS. Why? Because Germany is right smack in the middle of Central Europe, which qualifies us to be (literally) the heart of Europe.  Wink


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Yes, I also think I'm primarily an European. I was born in one European country and now live in another.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4032 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
Why is this?

Could it possibly be because of the history? Not just the first half of the 20th century, but Germany is hardly a long established nation state. There isn't exactly an endless unbroken history for Germans to feel associated directly with. And certainly the post-war Germans looked to subsume their identity within a wider European one.

Swiss goes back God knows how long. A distinct English/Welsh or Scottish identity is well over a thousand years old, and even a British one goes back to at least 1707, and arguably a century further back.

I feel about as European as I do American, to be honest, given the historical links between Britain and North America. There's more of a kinship with the "Anglo-Saxon" world (usually culturally, nothing to do with race) So, no, definitely not a European nationality, not even a European identity.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14060 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

I have lived in other European countries and consider myself primarely "European", secondly a Berliner and third German.

Jan


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4019 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Not maybe, it IS. Why? Because Germany is right smack in the middle of Central Europe, which qualifies us to be (literally) the heart of Europe.

Are you sure? Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_centre_of_Europe

Germany, however, is definitely in the centre of EU 25 and EU 27.


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Wha? There is no such thing as Europe.

Signed,
Gkirk

 Wink

I don't consider myself part of any society. I like individuals, not herds. At gunpoint, I would say "European", though. My native country is irrelevant to me.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
you feel bounded to your country

I'm not into bondage, not even figuratively.  Smile

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Germany is right smack in the middle of Central Europe

Care to say that to a Pole?  Smile I think maybe only Iceland and Portugal never claim to be the "heart" of Europe. Big grin


User currently offlineSQ948 From Germany, joined May 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

I wouldn't call my nationality European. I'm still German but very happy and proud to live in Europe  yes 

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting Toast (Reply 9):
I think maybe only Iceland and Portugal never claim to be the "heart" of Europe.

We point out that we're the brain...  Wink  duck 



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3982 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I've noticed many Germans saying that they feel "European", and it seems a stronger feeling if compared to nationals of other European countries. Why is this?

I'm not sure whether this is the case. Out of curiosity, I've plotted Germany, Italy and the UK as well as the EU average based on 2004 Eurobarometer data (representative survey).

Big version: Width: 501 Height: 385 File size: 60kb


People were asked whether they'd have an exclusively national identity, national and European, European and national or exclusively European.

As you can see, Germany is always very close to the EU average. Italy is much more positive towards a shared national-European identity, and Britain is much more negative.

One can also see that those who feel European first or European only are just a tiny minority; that holds for all countries considered.



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting Rara (Reply 12):
and Britain is much more negative

It's just how we are...

English first. I am proud to be English. I am proud to be British. I am European.

Notice the lack of the "P" word?


User currently offlineToast From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
Notice the lack of the "P" word?

"Prick"? "Pickle"? "Patagonia"? What are you talking about?  Confused


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3937 times:



Proud European.

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3937 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
proud to be English



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
proud to be British

What P word appears there, but not here:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
I am European

Go on... think!


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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Im Scottish.

I will never be british, and I will never be European.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

well, yes I definitely consider myself being European and I think there's something like a European identity.... besides, I like the EU flag much more than the (quite boring) German one...  Wink

but when asked where I'm from it depends a little on who asks... when in Germany, I'm a Frankonian.... when somewhere in Europa a German, and when somewhere else in the world, a European.... hope that makes sense...



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3899 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 17):
Im Scottish.

I will never be british,

When did Scotland start issuing their own Scottish passports ???

------------------------------------------

I Hold dual nationality but after that Im European .


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3900 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
When did Scotland start issuing their own Scottish passports ???

when did europe start issuing their own european passports?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3879 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 17):
Im Scottish.

I will never be british,

When did Scotland start issuing their own Scottish passports ???

He's fully entitled not to feel British. Your own country had one or two people feeling the same way, after all!  Wink



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3877 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 20):
when did europe start issuing their own european passports?

They dont but all passports have ''European Union'' on them and are printed in all European languages !!! Nearest thing your gonna get . No where in a UK / British passport does it mention ''Scotland'' or ''Scottish''.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

I'm from Norfolk, but luckily I escaped after a few weeks and now feel proud to call myself English.


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5162 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3851 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
secondly a Berliner



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 13):
English first. I am proud to be English.



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 23):
now feel proud to call myself English.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 22):
They dont but all passports have ''European Union'' on them and are printed in all European languages !!! Nearest thing your gonna get . No where in a UK / British passport does it mention ''Scotland'' or ''Scottish''.

So... will you now be correcting the above three posters and pointing out that there is no english passport, and no berliner passports? Or is it just pick on scotland day yet again?  Yeah sure



That'll teach you
25 Post contains images BritJap : I guess that makes France the Ego! I'm very proud of my British half, but I like the idea of a greater European identity.
26 Banco : Remove the chip. The others never pointedly said they weren't British. You did.
27 Pelican : I'm German. That includes being European because Germany is a European nation. pelican
28 Mhodgson : English and British first (English as it is where I was born and have always lived; British because I have some Scottish ancestry as well). I don't re
29 Swiftski : England is within the UK (Passport type). I am proud to be from England. As I quite clearly stated, I am also proud to be British. I have nothing aga
30 EXTspotter : I feel that I am English first, then European. The only real reason behind it is that I haven't really discovered Europe for myself yet. I have experi
31 OHLHD : My ancestors come from Finland, Austria, Czech, Ukraine and Slovenia. ( Czech, Ukraine and Slovenia were Austria back then btw) I am a European but I
32 Post contains images AverageUser : Did you not realize they have! It came with the concept of an EU citizenship. Correspondigly, the top row of your new EU passport indicates your new
33 MD11Engineer : First, it is quite improbable that Berlin will ever demand it's independence from Germany (especially since the former kingdom of Prussia, which incl
34 Singapore_Air : I consider myself a British European.
35 F.pier : I live in the European Union, in Brescia, Italy, but I first am and feel European. And proud to be.
36 IH8BY : Yes, that latter part I suppose is where I would say I stand. I'd say I am English, but I don't think I'd say it with pride. The things I have come t
37 Post contains images OA260 : I rest my case Just for the record I dont have any problem with Scotland. If someone had have said the same about England I would have corrected them
38 AverageUser : I think the crucial question here is whether a German really deep below wants to symphatize with the likes of Romania, Finland and Cyprus for a new in
39 LHStarAlliance : That's a good point , I think Germans feel much more bounded to countries like France , Spain , Italy , UK ... Countries like Romania are the "poor e
40 AverageUser : Why would you like to keep a large nation out of the well-tested peaceful and rational political development that the EU has to offer? I hope you're
41 MD11Engineer : IMO, very simple: Continental Europe has been interacting so much over the last millenia, that in the end we have a common history. As an example, th
42 Banco : Interesting post. By implication you suggest (rightly, I think) that the non-continental Europeans (i.e. us) do not. Care to expand on that bit? I'm
43 Post contains images Fiatstilojtd : Blasphemy, Fatwah....!!! Signed JGPH1A A few years ago, before I started to move around Europe I would have just said I am an Austrian citizen and th
44 LHStarAlliance : wow interesting Family history ! I have ancestors which were huguenots . and I have an ancestor in the 1500 years who studied in Orleans , imagine in
45 Petertenthije : And with the amount of alcohol you pour into it, the brain gets onto auto-pilot... taking us back to the Germans once more.
46 Post contains images Toast : I only know my family history from the late 1890s up, but it involves at least a dozen countries (including four that don't exist anymore) and three
47 Post contains images Zillox : Yes , I am European and Belg
48 AverageUser : Me too, as Jan's concept of being an European seems to revolve around being able to show having a long documented family history in parts of Central
49 Banco : Britain's history was shaped by the sea, by learning to command the narrow seas between it and the continent, in order to preserve its independence a
50 Fiatstilojtd : I think you got my sentence wrong AverageUser.....I never said he is not proud of being Austrian etc., or the Austrians are not proud of him. Oh yes
51 AverageUser : And I never said you said so. You were just wondering, and I asked why should wonder. But I'm glad you like the Sheikh after all, and seemingly every
52 MD11Engineer : You guys have for centuries been living more or less isolated from what went on on the continent. Ok, you had your series of invasions, Romans, Saxon
53 Banco : Really? That surprises me. People here are absolutely fascinated by it, and endless genealogical records have been placed on the internet for anyone
54 Columba : I do the same when I am in the US. I feel European first, second I fell more attached to my hometwon Berlin then to Germany.
55 AverageUser : I appreciate it when someone traces his or her roots, but really, going towards the point of the this discussion, does having a long family history i
56 Egmcman : I consider myself British as I have a United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland passport and Birth certificate. My family on Dad's side Ger
57 MD11Engineer : It simply points out that most of us have roots, which span the whole continent and not just one of the modern nation states (which in most cases onl
58 AverageUser : I still fail to understand what you're trying to say. Do you think a person's genes somehow predetermine how he or she is thinking abot an EU citizen
59 MD11Engineer : I think you know quite well what I'm saying. I don't know where you are from, but many people I know are not relating to a nation state, but to the w
60 Post contains images Paneuropean : I am and always will be PANEUROPEAN !!! To be honest, I wish I felt a little more European than I do. I think I feel more Dutch than European really a
61 Paneuropean : I hope it will, the sooner the better. I will welcome a great cultural and economic nation with open arms. I will welcome them from the moment they h
62 Post contains images Fiatstilojtd : Go to Lakitelek, or some other not so touristy (read expensive ) location during Summer-Season in Hungary and you would feel very ashamed There is a
63 Post contains images AverageUser : I'm not aware of any recent development political development worth mentioning, either   Again, who are the "us" and "we" you keep mentioning? Your
64 OA260 : I didn't see anything about discrimination in his post !! He has his personal views. Turkey must under go a huge amount of political changes before a
65 AverageUser : That's correct, and I'm determined to find out whether he thinks that there's a significant difference in "belonging to the EU" between those EU citi
66 Ajd1992 : The primary difference is language, which personally I think is what differentiates us all. Same, but I NEVER say i'm British. I was born in England,
67 Fiatstilojtd : The same when you ask people here where they plan to go/fly during the Holidays, you get as an answer: "I fly to the USA because of the weak dollar/s
68 BCAL : The politicians and bureaucrats might say that I am a European, but as far as I am concerned I am English first, British second and do not even think
69 Post contains images BritJap : Just my opinion here, but I think AverageUser you are misunderstanding what MD11Engineer is trying to say. I think you may be thinking that he is say
70 AverageUser : Considering that further comment from him now appears to be pending, that misunderstanding may well persist. If he thinks there are isolated "us" and
71 Paneuropean : I have no problem with that at all... I wouldn't say I went to NV, UT, NY, OH or be specific of which of the 50 states I would visit. I would briefly
72 Post contains images Sebolino : Isn't a Berliner a sausage ?
73 MD11Engineer : AverageUser, Emotionaly I'm connected to my home town Berlin, this is because I have been born there and I've grown up in this place. Germany is an ad
74 Rara : Nah, it's a citizen of Berlin. There's a kind of doughnut that's called "Berliner Pfannkuchen" in some areas of Germany, often shortened to "Berliner
75 Post contains images MD11Engineer : You got it! I couldn't have worded it better! BTW, I don't care if e.g. a future EU president is British, French, Finish, German or Maltese, as long
76 Gkirk : Scottish first, then British. Never European
77 AverageUser : Jan, you gave me the standard lecture of the EU basic ideas, which I thank you for. You look like you've read your book with only some factual mistak
78 OA260 : It should be seperated !!! Religion should have no influence in politics.
79 AverageUser : There's some confusion here. The separation of the church and the state will not mean that any political movements with a religious agenda be banned.
80 Tolmachevo : I am Irish, live in Austria so I feel European and am quite proud as to what we have manged to make out of such a mess that Europe was 60 years ago...
81 Banco : I agree. Thank you very much, United States, because they had a damn sight more to do with it than what is now the EU.
82 Pyrex : That is not totally true. Britain participated much more in continental affairs than Portugal, for once - crossing the Channel is much easier than cr
83 Post contains images MD11junkie : Then... where's my EU flag? Signed, Braybuddy
84 Banco : Well, it was necessarily a shorthand for a much more complex situation. You are correct though. Portugal's relative isolation left it fairly invulner
85 Pyrex : Actually the Anglo-Portuguese alliance goes back to the 14th century (1373), way before England (and even Portugal) became a naval superpower. The wa
86 JCS17 : As it turns out, Germans are the most willing to call themselves "European" over "Germans." What a shocker. Germany has had quite the checkered histor
87 MD11Engineer : I don't care about this symbolism. I use the German flag, because I'm at the moment living in Germany, ten years ago I would have been flying the Iri
88 Post contains images Bwest : Belgian European... Or as my passport says Belgische Europeaan Belgischer Europäische (or something like that...) Européen Belge
89 Gman94 : English first, British second, European never.
90 Post contains images Toast : Why? And how much does the average American person have genetically in common with a Native American? Co-signed, Toast
91 MD11Engineer : Just for information, those who support a German nationalism are anti-EU. For me, as a person, having a heritage spanning several countries, makes tr
92 Post contains images Andrej : Hey all, I feel to be European first, Slovak second. I was born in UK, lived in Czech Republic, Slovakia and US. Being exposed to variety of different
93 Post contains images MD11Engineer : I sign this as well. Jan
94 Oldeuropean : I feel in the following order: 1. European 2. Kölsch / from Cologne 3. German Axel
95 Post contains links and images Klaus : For the record: I feel an association and identification with several entities in different ways, so it's not quite that simple. "Nationality" is very
96 Post contains images Babybus : I'm very happy to be European and I'd also like the Euro. I lose a load of money in currency transactions every year. Ok, so I'm selfish.
97 Post contains images Andaman : It has been estimated that one third of the Finnish genes comes from east of Finland, but Korea goes too far East Me feeling... 1. Finnish 2. Nordic/
98 Landingshortly : I'm happy and proud to be European. Though was brought up in Australia, I've spent 14 years here in Austria and I don't really feel Austrian. I feel E
99 Joni : I don't know if there are "first" and "second" nationalities or identities, but I feel I'm both Finnish and European. I can also feel "Nordic" dependi
100 Klaus : I don't think there is really any mutual exclusion for most people. Most people feel a personal allegiance to some of the many groups they belong to
101 AverageUser : That's actually not quite so, but we have elements in the gene pool that point ot the East. The Sami in the North feature a very early layer of Euras
102 Post contains images Braybuddy : Careful guys! "The Topic That Cannot Be Mentioned"!    I consider my EU citizenship as important, if not more important, than my national one. If I
103 Paulc : English first & foremost, British second & european only by an accident of geography. As an earlier poster said when arriving back in the uk it is sad
104 Signol : What would you do that for? Norfolk is the centre of the universe! I'd say for me it depends... sometimes (see above) I feel more Norwich than anythi
105 Asturias : No. Whatever gave you that idea? I think you are confusing Finland with Turkey. At least then your description fits and turkish is even related to ko
106 AverageUser : Whatever gave you THAT idea? I hope you're not trying to doctor the evidence in order to make Turkey less eligible for the EU? If speaking a non-Indo
107 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Shouldn't the question really be "Do you feel like a EUropean the same as you feel bounded to your country ?"??? I don't see what's the big deal abou
108 Asturias : To make things ABSOLUTLY clear: I am 100% against Turkish ascencion into the EU -- it is utter nonsense to even consider it in the foreseeable future
109 BHXFAOTIPYYC : My nationality is not, nor will it ever be "European". I firmly believe the EU will implode sooner or later anyway.
110 Asturias : Your nationality is not Portugese either. British I assume. saludos Asturias
111 Post contains images Klaus : The good thing about this belief is that you'll be able to enjoy it for many, many years to come...
112 Joni : It may be that Germans have "un-learned" their nationalism, which is of course good as they have thus moved on. On the other hand if a chequered hist
113 Banco : Eh? The Iraq invasion has zilch to do with anything!
114 Post contains images OHLHD : Since we did not look at genetics in this topic I may advise you to remain on the topic. Your insult on the " Europeans" is at max laughable. I might
115 L410Turbolet : What does Iraq invasion have to do with "low Euro-spirit" (whatever that means)...???
116 Joni : The poster in Reply 86 was suggesting that Germans could prefer to identify with an European identity because they might feel their German identity w
117 Banco : Excuse me? You're comparing the British to the Nazis now? And why just the British, by the way? How about the Czechs, the Poles, the Italians, the Sp
118 Joni : I was comparing the psychological reaction to collective guilt felt by Germans and British. The British were the first nation that came to mind of th
119 Banco : You really don't have a clue do you? You firstly assume a collective guilt in the first place, and then you make the comparison between Britain in Ir
120 Klaus : None though remotely as vehemently as Britain under Blair, without whom the Iraq invasion would have been politically impossible for Bush. Blair clea
121 Banco : Of course he was! How else can you compare a supposed psychological impact without making a comparison of the magnitude! It would be (and is) silly.
122 Klaus : Not the way I saw him present it: Both being shameful episodes in the respective histories, possibly influencing people's identification with the res
123 Pyrex : I agree that Iraq was not a very good example but there are plenty of examples in British history (as well as that of most European countries) that co
124 Banco : "Shameful" remains your interpretation. Not fact. However, given that you seem keen to apply the same adjective to matters as disparate at the Iraq W
125 Klaus : Shame is always subjective by its very nature. Nobody has claimed to precisely know what every briton felt. In particular Joni just stated this: So l
126 Silverfox : British by Birth English by God European by dragging me with wild horses
127 Post contains images Banco : Of course. Quite agree. Nevertheless, he decided to pick specifically on us in terms of how it impacted the EU, and not even remotely the best exampl
128 MadameConcorde : I was born in Corsica long before the Rome treaty that created the Common Market. Family's descent is from Corsica on both sides. I am from Corsica an
129 Post contains images Klaus : Sure. Everybody is "picking on you". Right.
130 Post contains links Joni : Quite touchy there. And here too. If you deny feeling guilt or shame, that already is a perspective to how sensitive this issue really is to you sinc
131 Banco : Nope. Never said that AT ALL. Learn to read the bits you quote. A sensitive issue in Britain? Sure. Equivalent to Germany post 1945? Nope. No, Joni.
132 Post contains images Klaus : My quote: So please enlighten me, Obi Wan!
133 Banco : You said "everyone". I said "he". Just a slight difference, I'm sure you can work it out with a little help.
134 Post contains images Klaus : That is of course ENTIRELY different in tone and substance...
135 Pyrex : Yes, but if I recall correctly it was the Corsicans who decided for you to remain French...
136 Davehammer : Well I consider myself English, British and European to be honest. I feel very much at home in France, Spain and Germany and enjoy visiting those plac
137 Joni : might be something similar != equivalent That the Iraq war is not directly equivalent to WWII does not mean it's acceptable or that the Whitehall man
138 Gman94 : No guilt here about being British, we are what we are can't change it. Although it does seem that a European nationality is being forced on us by some
139 Post contains images Klaus : Sure, no problem! None of us on the continent has become any less of a citizen of his or her respective nation - why should your nationality be that
140 Braybuddy : Pretty much sums it up. Like I said earlier, an EU identity doesn't diminish one's national one in the slightest. Why do I have the feeling that ther
141 Gman94 : I'll let the people of Halabja and the Iranian army know on your behalf. Saddam wasn't stupid. It was pretty obvious where a team on weapons inspecto
142 Post contains images Braybuddy : If you read the posts above, neither of us claimed otherwise, nor even mentioned where our legislation comes from. So just who's hitting the hallucin
143 Gman94 : Well for me who governs us is inextricably linked to our nationality and for me that should be Westminister and no one else.
144 Braybuddy : Speaking as a fully paid-up member of the UK Independence Party, no doubt!
145 Post contains images Gman94 : Nope, not everyone who believes we should govern ourself is some right wing Daily Mail reading nut job. Typical insults from Euro fanboys who don't w
146 Braybuddy : So just what issues do you want to discuss? The title of this thread is "EU Citizens : Is Your Nationality "European"?", and 137 posts pretty much st
147 Gman94 : No Iraq was bought up by Joni who said that we should feel ashamed to be British because of the Iraq war. I only answered his nonsense and the topic
148 Post contains images OHLHD : Although you claim that some of the respected users here are on drugs but what part of the thread title you did not get? As for the WMD. If you had s
149 Toulouse : As proud as I am to be Irish, I'm also very proud to be European. When travelling within Europe, I'll say I'm Irish. When going further afield, I tend
150 Gman94 : So the attacks on Halabja and the Iranian army are made up then? He had WMD's and used them and we are expected to believe he had a change of heart a
151 Post contains images OHLHD : Never denied that! But that was a lot ealier before the US claimed that he would poison the world. But he did not have them anymore when the UN searc
152 Gman94 : No he didn't have them where the UN looked. Your seriously believing he got rid of his entire stockpile? Well he really was a good man in the end. Th
153 Post contains images Braybuddy : He said "might", which is very different from "should". And there is no doubt that a lot of people in the UK did not want to invade Iraq. Of course.
154 Post contains images OHLHD : Don´t know really what to believe but I think if he still had them why didn´t he use them as he had nothing to lose anymore.
155 Banco : There's a lot of re-writing history that goes on. At the time of the invasion, the debate wasn't whether he had WMDs or not, it was how best to conta
156 Klaus : His earlier stockpiles were successfully rounded up and destroyed by the UN inspectors after the first gulf war. As Saddam admitted in captivity befo
157 Post contains images OHLHD : The thing is that we will actually never know unless some spy posts it on A.Net.
158 AverageUser : Ok, I thank you. Guessed it right with remarkably few clues. But nevertheless the Turkish linguistic identity points to Asia, and worth a post? And t
159 Braybuddy : You are surely not serious here? Now I know you're pulling my leg. Why on earth would a person who rejects his national identity ever refer to his co
160 Klaus : Not true. Whether or not he had any left was the entire reason for the UN inspections, so it was at the very center of the debate. Hardly anybody fel
161 PlaneWasted : I'm a swede, and a part of Europe. The EU is a good idea but small countries like mine don't benefit as much as the larger from it.
162 Post contains images Klaus : Sure. There can always be a debate, but everybody has the right to have an individual opinion. If you actually manage to meet some of those around he
163 Klaus : The benefits have a lot to do with actual participation. Ask the irish.[Edited 2008-02-05 04:21:42]
164 AverageUser : I already have a collection, but let's not evade what you said. You said everyone has a right to decide where his or her affiliations are. That's jus
165 Klaus : In your eyes I'm aparently just a thoroughly evil german anyway - it looks like there is no point in trying to counter prejudices as firmly establish
166 AverageUser : Oh, yes, real life is (always) another thing. So in this real life, I understand you just took it back of what you said of anyone being eligible to f
167 Post contains images Braybuddy : Okay then, but I really don't want to have to state the obvious. Maybe ask a Norwegian or a Swiss. Or an Albanian or a Serb . . . Wow! Where did I ev
168 AverageUser : So your identity is inherited along with your genes and/or birthplace. Would that be the "EU" or the "European" variety by the way? No I asked a cert
169 Braybuddy : Depends on whether you were born in the EU or outside it. But you really know that yourself and don't need me to tell you. Okay. I'll play your littl
170 Klaus : Making stuff up again, WSOY?
171 AverageUser : So an EU citizen automatically receives an EU identity on his or her birth, right? He or she'll also receive a version of a more encompassing "Europe
172 Post contains images Braybuddy : I'd consider BOTH a right, and a huge bonus, but then I'm biased Unless their country joins the EU . . .
173 AverageUser : Read for yourself. You must take a day off some time -- I think you're seeing things. Here you are: So what's a free society that does not whole-hear
174 Klaus : Your claims are not supported by anything I've said above. You're making stuff up again. Freedom is not when you're pushed towards something all the
175 Banco : Ahem. Your record with regards to your postings on British history is not exactly blameless in this regard you know.
176 Klaus : My recollections of the details of medieval scottish history were certainly insufficient in the earlier thread you're referring to. No doubt. So you'
177 Banco : Which you then refused to back down from with endless additional comments until you told to stop being so foolish by other users. At least you did ev
178 AverageUser : I figured that out actually, what you practice in real life may differ significantly from what you preach.
179 JCS17 : Finland didn't exactly have a good choice in the matter of who to ally with in '41. It was either basically be swallowed by the Soviet Union, and the
180 Klaus : I would really not draw attention to that thread if I were you. You jumped into the exchange immediately taking a side. A "drive-by" post. apparently
181 Joni : The debate was, IIRC, whether Saddam's WMD posed such an urgent and pressing threat that the UN inspectors couldn't continue their work. The UN Secur
182 Banco : No reason why not. You embarrassed yourself in it, no-one else did. Nope. Never made the slightest comment about it, you are simply making things up.
183 AverageUser : These are very interesting questions that may warrant of a thread of their own some time. What I think is significant here is that FInland resisted w
184 Banco : I believe it resulted in a favourite quiz question too, the "What are the only two democracies ever to declare war on one another?", being Britain an
185 Matt727 : Primarily I see myself as Swedish and secondly European. And I am proud of beeing both.
186 Post contains images Klaus : I was certainly sloppier than I should have been in that thread regarding historical research, but altogether abandoning the discussion and launching
187 Banco : I merely pointed out your endless refusal to ever admit to being wrong even when you palpably are. Entirely fair comment. It is your determination to
188 Post contains images Klaus : How dare I have an opinion differing from yours! And actually argue on top of that? Shocking! Just keep me appraised of the date of my public lynchin
189 Post contains images LO231 : I'm a European Polish Belgian. Yes, all of them Regards, LO231
190 Post contains images Mortyman : I'm Norwegian and from Norway and happy that I'm not part of EU...... I'm European though... Get it ?
191 Post contains images PlaneWasted : Ok, maybe I should have been a bit more clear: I don't think we get enough benefits in relation to what we pay. But I shouldn't complain, I got my ov
192 Post contains images Klaus : Welcome to the club - you're probably not a "real" european unless you're whining about that kind of thing...! Probably not...!
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