MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10502 posts, RR: 38 Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
This is nothing to celebrate about. She is his third wife. Let's see how long this one will last and who the next one will be.
As to his politics, he has not proved anything. He has been part of many governments including as a Finance Minister. I have yet to see any positive changes from his action. France is way deep in debt. A great majority of people are living off credit and have it difficult to make end's meet.
There is no doubt that the couple will spend a lot of money on a lavish lifestyle at the taxpayer's expanse. Prince Albert of Monaco has his own fortune and he lives off of it. Sarkozy (nicknamed Emperor Rolex) doesn't. He lives off the taxpayer's money and off some of his "friends" generosity.
Not forgetting that he gave himself a pay raise of 240 % after he became the President of France.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
His own fortune? You've got to be kidding me. What did he or any of his antecestors do to deserve this fortune? He lives off the wealth of the land, just like the Saudi Royals, it is not his own fortune. I know you have some sort of Pavlovian reactio to Sarkozy but at least try to get a better comparison,
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Runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2104 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1): France is way deep in debt. A great majority of people are living off credit and have it difficult to make end's meet.
And other countries aren't? At least France has not had a sub-primes problem. One could debate that most of the problems France has had is in their inability to have any fiscal control over their currency. Then we of course have the 35 hours which were a fabrication of the socialist party and extremely difficult to get rid of seeing how strong unions are. Don't come telling me that it was a success or could work, no other country did the same or adopted anything broadly similar.
Many? Let's see. As a Finance minister he was in power for less than 8 months, hardly much time to make many changes. That was under Raffarin's government.
He was minister of the interior (for about 4 years under Raffarin and De Villepin) much longer and did make sizeable changes under that function. His changes as a whole were positive. His problem was/is that he is too open in what he says which can often be misconstrued.
Now being in two different governments (three if you go back to Balladur's government) is not that big of a number.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1): Not forgetting that he gave himself a pay raise of 240 % after he became the President of France.
Let's see he was to earn about 8400 euros a month originally now about 20000 per month. Both figures aren't really that extravagant considering the job he does. The first figure was quite ridiculous, most middle managers make more than that anyways. Also remember that the prime minister makes more than the president, hardly fair. An increase of 12000 euros per month is hardly a huge increase, that amount is ridiculous considered to the cost of strikes, people not showing up to work or other ways which civil servants (or people by being "creative" on their tax returns) find to defraud the country.
Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 981 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6): SO what does this make Carla Bruni? First Lady number 2?
Good question. Since Sarkozy is ex officio co-prince of Andorra, is Carla now co-princess?
I still wonder about this guy who divorced the "love of his life" 3 months ago and now he's again madly in love? Sounds a bit unsteady for a person who can launch nuclear weapons (I don't know if French presidents can do that).
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10502 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 959 times:
Yes. In France the President holds the secret "code" and decision to launch nuclear fire. He gets the code from his predecessor on the day of his installation before the official ceremony. Knowing it's in the hands of Sarkozy is certainly not reassuring. I thought Francois Mitterrand was more fit for this responsability. He had years of political experience behind him, more psychological balance and more concern for people. Sarkozy is impulsive and unpredictable.
Quoting Joni (Reply 11): Sounds a bit unsteady for a person who can launch nuclear weapons (I don't know if French presidents can do that).
Third in succession, to be clear about it and possibly his wife until his second term as president.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2): What did he or any of his antecestors do to deserve this fortune?
The Grimaldi had a strategically located castle somewhere in the Provence, and took "duties" from travelling traders passing by, and at times relieved people of some assets. Prince Albert however apparently does quite good work in governing his country and increasing his finances and the finances of his country.
Quoting Toast (Reply 5): France's problem is a bloated public sector and an insufficiently liberal economy...
AND the fact that both leading politicians and leading managers are former students of ENA (Ecole Nationale d'Administration), the most famous of the Ecoles Superieurs. This means that all of them know each other, and are in constant touch with each other.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 7): SO what does this make Carla Bruni? First Lady number 2?
In essence she'd be Second Lady ...!
Hardly. The ex-wifes do NOT count and so she has now become FIRST Lady (number one)
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10502 posts, RR: 38 Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 870 times:
Well, the whole story is rather complicated.
Mrs. Bruni (now Sarkozy)'s legal father, Mr. Alberto Bruni-Tedeschi is not her biological father. Her real father is Mr. Maurizio Remmert an entrepreneur who lives in Brazil. He attended the wedding at the presidential palace.
Mrs. Bruni (now Sarkozy) has a child from (young) Mr Enthoven, the son of her ex-lover.
Now she has become the number three wife of the French President. He previously had two sons from his first wife (Mrs. Culioli) and one from his second wife (Mrs. Ciganer-Albeniz). He has now married Carla Bruni-Tedeschi and she is said to be three months pregnant.
Mrs Carla Bruni is now happy! By getting married to the French President she has just increased her livestock of several thousands of future lovers (bodyguards, police officers, ministers, secretaries, cabinet members, accountants...)
What's coming next... I wonder?
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13876 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 829 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
OK in a way, but to me, the other one is not number one, but just a previous person now gone and vanished into the bookshelves of the bookshops.
I don't really care either way... the question is whether France maybe has a few other issues to worry about...
I do not really believe that France in general "worried" about this issue. France is neither Germany nor Switzerland ! But French people LOVE to badmouth their own government, and enjoy being against authority, even if in cases being part of "authority".
In case of Madame Concorde, you simply have to see that her candidate to the presidency lost out, not heavily but clearly. And of two right-of-centre candidates, Mr de Villepin and Mr Sarkozy, the more impatient, harsher, more power-hungry and more aggressive one made it into the Palais des Elysees.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
What's coming next... I wonder?
Some children from Mrs Carla Sarkozy, and then new presidential elections, and AFTER those elections wife number four.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 816 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20): I do not really believe that France in general "worried" about this issue. France is neither Germany nor Switzerland ! But French people LOVE to badmouth their own government, and enjoy being against authority, even if in cases being part of "authority".
Not what I was talking about - the issue is of diversion away from the very real and much less glitzy issues and problems at hand. There doesn't seem to be much actual governing to be going on (or much proper journalistic work) among all this excitement about Sarkozy's private life.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13876 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 21): There doesn't seem to be much actual governing to be going on (or much proper journalistic work) among all this excitement about Sarkozy's private life.
Quite to the contrary, the smoke he produces enables him to carry on with the political business as right now the parliamentary decision in favour of the Lisbon Treaty. Sarkozy is NOT interested in media-attention on his politics, and so enjoys to "employ" them on his show. He usually gets into show when he has something to be done discreetly, like extensive commercial contracts with Mr Khaddafi and thelike.