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Boeing Vs. Airbus Paper I Wrote, Please Read.  
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

ok As some of you may know I am writing a paper for school, I chose Boeing vs. airbus. Some details might not be exact, but since none of the people know anything abouth Aviation (except my Aeronautics teacher) It's ok. This is my first draft of the paper. Please read and critique (spelling?) my paper. I'm going to try to publish this one. Hope you enjoy



Boeing or Airbus? The whole process is indeed hard to understand and even harder to
choose the right aircraft. For years now airlines have had headaches trying to figure out which
company to choose for their benefit because Boeing bought McDonnel Douglas leaving Boeing
and Airbus as the major companies, the rivals have had a competition with their aircraft ever
since, the 737 or A320 family, A330 or 767-400ER, and 747 versus A340.
First, let’s compare the shorthaul market; the most popular 737 and the rising popularity
of the whole A320 family. The 737 first made its’ debue in 1965 with the -100- series and 2
years later moved on to the -200- series which sold about 1,700 aircraft. When Boeing heard of
its’ success rate with the 737, they decided to make more and more series of just one aircraft.
The -300- series offered longer range and more advanced turbines (Hinton, The Boeing 737, 18)
that look stuck to the other series. By the time the -500- series was completed, there were more
than 2,000 737s operating and more being delivered. The Boeing company took a break from
the 737. The Airbus A320 took its’ first flight in the 1980s and was only used in Europe for a
couple of years. The A320 took off like a rocket into the US shorthaul market just as the
production of the 737 was slowing down. The Airbus company started building the A319 which
was a shorter version of the A320, and it too, was a huge success with United Airlines operating
both of the kind. The next on the list was the A321 (Airliners of the World) which was the
longer version of the A320 and beginning to be a strong competitor to the Boeing 757 ,which it
resembles. The newest Airbus creation is the A318 which had its’ first flight just over a month
ago already with orders on hand. Even airlines who were based on the back of the 737, like
Frontier, are starting to switch to the A319 and A318. Frointier began operating all 737s in
1966 (Hinton, The Boeing 737, 23) ,but now, Frontier is focusing on an Airbus based fleet with
6 A319 and a 7th one being delivered in May (Airliners.net/discussions/civil_aviation) and going
to start replacing the 737s with A318s. Boeing says that the 737 could also fly higher than its’
competitor, the A320, giving the passengers the smoother ride
(boeing.com/commercial/737family). Both aircraft have a common range in distance. Both say
their aircraft is better (airbus.com/products/A320_family). There really is no wrong aircraft.
There’s another type of market, the medium-long range market.
There are 2 medium-long range aircraft that are common. The 767-400ER and A330.
Both twin engine aircraft. Since the 737 or the A320 can’t fly trans-oceanic, a longer range
aircraft is needed. The A330 is a twin-isle aircraft which can hold 253 passengers in an average
3 class (coach, business, first) configuration, the 767-400ER can hold 245 in the same
configuration (Boeing 767 vs. Airbus A330) . The A330 can cover more airports since it has to
have a 2,600m runway compared to the 767’s 3,500m runway. The 767-400ER is more
comfortable because of its’ higher altitude flight 13,200m compared to Airbus’s 12,500m
therefore making that long flight heaven. The prices have to, also, be compared for airlines to
get the best deal. The A330 varies from 109$ to 115$ MILLION dollars, compared to the 767’s
110$ million dollar tag price. The range of the Aircraft is perhaps one of the most important
elements for the airlines to love the package. The A330 has a range of 11,945km compared to
the Boeing’s 767, which has a 10,482km range (Boeing 767 vs. Airbus A330) . The roll-put date
for the A330 was in August 1997 and with the 6th, and not final, version of the 767 was in
October 1999 and with the first commercial flight in May 2000, and A330’s in 1998. There is
another medium-long range market, the A340 and 747.

Perhaps the 2 most popular aircraft are the A340 and the famous 747-400 series. Of
course, everybody has heard of the famous 747, but do they know the history of it? The Boeing
747-100 came out in the late 60’s and totally ravaged one company because it had no match for
the 747. Naturally, the 747 became one of the most famous and loved aircraft for its’ second
floor for first class passengers. There were more and more to follow including 747-200, 747SR
(short range) for Chinese airlines which loved selling out seats with it and making more money
than immaginable, the 747SP (super performance) short, stubby that was fitted with normal 747
engines for extremely long range and speed, the 747-300 which had a larger second floor than all
of the previous 747s, and finally, the 747-400 which has those loved winglets which give it class
and longer range. The A340 is more known in Europe with airlines such as Virgin Atlantic and
Lufthansa, as well as Cathay Pacific and many others. The A340 has a smaller passenger
capacity than the 747-400, but has about the same range making it a very good deal for airlines
in this situation where airlines have to go long-range, but can’t fill up the cabin to where they
want to, giving the A340 incredible capability and a smooth flight. Both, on command of the
airlines, have PTVs, personal televisions, which give you something to do (watch movies, TV,
play games) if you’re one of those “nervous fliers” time to forget their fears while watching their
favorite TV show. Also, the two companies have plans for the future market.
Both companies have something in store for the future. Airbus, which some say will win
the future market, has the A380 super-jumbo with all 2 levels of passenger comfort and one level
of cargo hold. There are plans for more series with the final one carrying up to 1,000 passengers
in complete comfort , that’s 2 times what the 747-400 can carry. (Special report:A sky poker
Gme Europe’s Airbus thinks it has the Ace to win tomorrow’s Market, But American Arch-rival
Boeing is Holding Firm with its’ Jumbo) . The Boeing company has the Sonic Cruiser which will
go almost speed of sound with its’100 passenger load. Boeing thinks that the speed market
should be opened up to include speed, as the Concorde does. Both companies are questioning
each other’s projects.
As we go through the years, we find there are more and more aircraft to choose from as the new
generation of the Boeing 737 or the Whole A320 family, and the opening the wider market of the
medium-long range market, we will still have this problem unless one company outsells and kills
the other one, because that’s how it is now, both are rivals.



Hope you enjoyed it! Now tell me what's good and bad about it. I also spaced it, so don't worry I separated them to paragraphs.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
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User currently offlineAp7570 From France, joined Sep 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Its ok, but your thesis is not clear enough...

User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Ok let's judge this on an 8th grade level, because that's what the paper is for. Sorry for the mixup. Remember....this is 1st draft......


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineAp7570 From France, joined Sep 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

ok, but im only in 9th !!!!!

User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

If you say "everybody has heard of the famous 747, but do they know the history of it? "

Put in the history of the aircraft. You said nothing about the history.


User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Comon people! I really am in need of serious help, my whole future is dependant on this paper, just tell me the good and bad of this so I can be proud to say tha I have a website where everybody cares about everybody, with some exceptions, please!!!!!!


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineBoeing in Pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Talk about the 777. And you mention frontier as a huge step for airbus but they are only buying 7-10. talk about the 737ng it just got the ryanair order for 100 planes not to mention Delta,AA,continental,southwest,Klm,korean,westjet,Gol,ATA... the list goes on.

User currently offlinePikachu From Bhutan, joined Feb 2002, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

"When Boeing heard of its’ success rate with the 737, they decided to make more and more series of just one aircraft."
You may want to reword that. Boeing didn't get out of bed one morning to be surprised that the 737 had become the world's most popular airliner.


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

What is the objective of the paper? Is it persuasive writing, informative writing, talking about a controversial issue, what? And is it supposed to be in the 5-paragraph essay format?

In other words, what were the instructions for this paper? If you let me know, I might be able to help you.



User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

This is a research paper and we have to have something with 2 sides or more (boeing 1, Airbus 2) and we're supposed to give facts about eachs and stuff. Thanks guys.


I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

You could try organizing your information a little better.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

okay, I am in college, and English is one of my strongest subjects.

Let's talk grammar.

You really need to work on making sure each sentence flows and is not confusing. Make sure each sentence has only one major idea. Let's try one:

"The A340 has a smaller passenger capacity than the 747-400, but has about the same range making it a very good deal for airlines in this situation where airlines have to go long-range, but can’t fill up the cabin to where they want to, giving the A340 incredible capability and a smooth flight"

Let's make that...

"While the A340 has a smaller capacity, it shares a similar range to the 747-400. This is good for airlines who need the distance, but can't fill all the seats on the giant 747."

The fact that the A340 has incredible capability and smooth flight, while possibly true, is not related to the capacity and range; therefore, it should be in a separate paragraph.

Try to organize your paper into sections; the first section, history. The second section, range and capacity. That's just an example.

Your ideas are very good and this paper has a great potential.

Also, as someone else said, make a clear and definite thesis- hard to do on this sort of subject, but remember the three elements- Subject, Focus, Purpose.
Subject- what you're talking about in general.
Focus- what you are talking about specifically.
Purpose- why the heck are you talking about this?

for example, "In order to show that (Airbus is better, or B is better or whatever you're trying to show) we must look at the specific characteristics of both Airbus and Boeing aircraft." that's a rough thesis- it would need refining.

other small things- there is no apostraphe after "its."

also, let's work on the wording of this sentence:
"When Boeing heard of its’ success rate with the 737, they decided to make more and more series of just one aircraft. "

That sounds as though Boeing hadn't heard of their success until years after the fact.

Maybe try:

"As a result of the tremendou success of this original 737, Boeing decided to redesign it and create a new series of modern aircraft."

You might then make a sentence about the new one, as you did.

Also, avoid redundance. "Boeing thinks the speed market should be opened up to include speed..."
You don't need "speed" twice.

Once again, it's a great paper. But work on these things: separating ideas, creating a good thesis, and double- checking grammar.

If you would like to email me, feel free to. I am Randyrohe@aol.com

I am sorry if any of my criticism came across as being harsh. I promise it's all CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Not meant to tear down, but to build up.

I hope you make a great grade with your final draft.

Randy


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

McDonnel => McDonnell
debue => debut
twin-isle => twin aisle
The Sonic Cruiser base design is for 235 passengers.

Good luck.


User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Won't it be better to compare 777 to A340 and 747 to A380?

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Your post URL goes like this

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/737600/

Speaking of 737's!!
 Big thumbs up



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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Ahahah, "my whole future is dependant on this paper"

Your in 8th grade kid, nothing matters in 8th grade.


User currently offlineB737-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2106 times:


I had to lough too when I read this sentence 174thfwff. hehe.
You should try to organize it more. Also put in paragraphes and stuff instead of writing it in one long text.


User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Whilst I am somewhat inclined to agree with 174thfwff that you really shouldn't worry too much, I shall give my two cents worth anyway. I'm a social science academic, so I'll try give my two cents worth about what you can do to improve your paper and give it a little more focus. I'm actually not too sure about what is expected of you in eighth grade, but I'll use the standards which I'm used to.

A couple of things you've got to take note of. First of all, there's poor attribution throughout the entire length of the paper. Proper attribution is the least any scholar can do. Since yours doesn't seem to be a very technical paper, and it leans more towards looking at the general differences between Airbus and Boeing, it would be considered a social science paper and therefore must adhere to standards spelled out by the American Psychological Association, or APA. You'll need to read up about how to do attributions correctly, if not, it'd be intellectual theft and plagiarism, which are two of the most serious crimes in academia.

Secondly, there is a lack of focus. Your thesis statement isn't spelled out well enough, and I really don't get what you're trying to say. I know you're comparing Airbus and Boeing, but you didn't make a stand and back it up. Whilst any university academic would throw a topic as general as Airbus vs. Boeing out of the window, I am working on the presumption that it is acceptable in the eighth grade. In theoretical qualitative papers such as this one, you'll need to make a thesis statement like "Y is better than Z because it is more beautiful, cheaper and faster." Then, you put in your facts and explain why it is as such.

Thirdly, you need to explain why this paper is necessary from the very beginning, where the gap in knowledge is, and what this paper will do to fill up that gap in knowledge. You'll need to explain why you are doing this paper, justifying why there is a need to look at which company is better. What good will this paper do to the aviation industry, how can aviation professionals benefit from this paper. Justify everything, and back everything up with thorough research.

Fourthly, watch your grammer and spelling. Such mistakes are an absolute no-no if you're hoping to get published in any respectable journal or publication. Use spell check, read through your paper time and again, let your teachers read it through.

Fifthly, you've got to put all your main ideas together in your conclusion. Summarise what you've shown, and then say how what you've shown suppports your thesis on why Y is better than Z.

And like some of them have already said, organise your thought, put them in different sections. It really comes across as very messy as I read it now, and personally, if I come across such a paper written by an undergraduate, I'd throw it out of the door and ask him/her to re-write the entire thing.

My apologies if I'm coming across as rather harsh, but I'm using university standards to look at your paper, and hopefully you'll be able to make some improvements. Writing any research paper is always about writing drafts after drafts. I remember when I wrote my first research paper back when I was in my first year in the polytechnic, my first draft was completely ripped into pieces by my lecturers. It took over 35 drafts before I arrived at my final copy.

I do hope you'll get a good grade for your paper, and do show us a copy of your revised paper.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Just a few comments / corrections

The SP in 747SP stands for Special Performance, not Super.

The A321 came out before the A319 (I think)

The 747SR's were designed more for the Japanese than the Chinese markets - ANA & Jal both used/use SR varients.

The 747 is known for the distinctive 'hump' behind the flight deck which was extended in the 300 series and more so in the 400 series.(2 man flight deck in 400 also) This is not a main reason why it is so popular - its a matter of capacity. When the 747 first came out in 1969 it was much larger than any of the current aircraft at the time and is still the large aircraft against which all others are compared.

Airbus on the narrow bodies A318/A319/A320/A321 have gone for near identical flight deck layouts - allowing for cross qualification of pilots. ie if rated on A320 you are also allowed to fly the other narrow body Airbus. The same applies with the A330 / A340 allowing for more flexibility in rostering of crews etc.

Airlines which operate the A320 also often have the A319/A321 ie Lufthansa / Air France / UTD / Air Canada / Alitalia

Boeing also do this for the 757/767.

The 737 does/did fly trans oceanic - TEA Swiss used them from Zurich to Brazil. You also have several companies in the south pacific whose flights are mainly over water.

The altitude at which an aircraft flies makes little difference to the comfort on board - just because the boeing 767-400 can fly higher than the A330 does not necessarily make it more comfortable.

Perhaps a mention of ETOPS (use of twin engined aircraft over water) would be useful. Most trans atlantic flights from London are on twins 767/777/A300 rather than 747's now

hope this helps




English First, British Second, european Never!
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5022 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

The roll-put date for the A330 was in August 1997

That was the A330-200. The A330-300 was rolled out (I believe) in 1993.

For the rest I agree with what others have said: Check your spelling, check your facts, and make the text more readable, mostly through the use of paragraphs and reformulating some of your sentences.

An example of the last:

There were more and more to follow including 747-200, 747SR (short range) for Chinese airlines which loved selling out seats with it and making more money
than immaginable, the 747SP (super performance) short, stubby that was fitted with normal 747
engines for extremely long range and speed, the 747-300 which had a larger second floor than all
of the previous 747s, and finally, the 747-400 which has those loved winglets which give it class
and longer range.


That's almost 10 lines for 1 sentence! You can make this a lot clearer and more enjoyable if you write it this way:

Through the years, more variants of the 747 were to follow, including:
-the 747-200, with improved engines, higher takeoff weight and more range;
-the 747SR (short range), with structural strengthening and stronger landing gear, for Japanese carriers;
-the 747SP (special performance), a shortened version for ultra-long range;
-the 747-300, with a stretched upper deck or 'hump' and thus additional capacity;
-the 747-400, a completely rejuvenated 747, with a new cockpit, new engines, aerodinamical improvements (including 'winglets' to reduce drag), and more range.


The A330 can cover more airports since it has to
have a 2,600m runway compared to the 767’s 3,500m runway.


Again, check your facts. I have no time to check this myself, but I have a very hard time believing the 767 needs a 3,500 m runway....

Anyway, good luck with your paper!


User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

I think the 777 is the competitor for A330-340.

The 767 is designed to compete against the A300/A310 series.

You may want to mention the A330/340 as a single family and share a common flight deck.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Vafi88 your target group is probably a teacher and a nut in this area.

So it is important to keep it simple and not impress with detailed knowlegde, he will look for other thinks !

Use pictures & examples to are easy to relate to for him / her.

Succes !



User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

"First, let’s compare the shorthaul market; the most popular 737 and the rising popularity of the whole A320 family. The 737 first made its’ debue in 1965 with the -100- series and 2 years later moved on to the -200- "

You can change it. First Boeing 737 was -200 Series NOT 100!
I cant believe that so many people have corrected you but nobody mention this to you.

Rafal


User currently offlinePinamar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Lindy- I'm not sure about your statement, according to Boeing's website:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737-100/background.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737-200/background.html

"The original 737-100 and the longer-fuselage 737-200 were certificated for airline service in December 1967."

"The first 737-100 was delivered to Lufthansa Dec. 28, 1967 and began commercial revenue service on Feb. 10, 1968."

"On April 28, 1968, the 737 began airline service in the United States with a 737-200 model operated by United Airlines."


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1972 times:

The first -100 (L/N 4) was delivered to LH on December 27th 1967,
the first -200 (L/N 8) was delivered to UA on December 29th 1967.

The 321-100 debuted indeed before the 319-100.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineGotAirbus From Singapore, joined May 2001, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (12 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1950 times:

Even though I took ENG101 and ENG102 in college and wrote reasonable essays, I am very jealous of him as I didn't get a chance to pick the "boeing-vs-airbus" as one of my topics -_- aargh!

----------------[ english side ]----------------
As Carmy stated, you should have a clearly stated thesis statement (one or few sentences). In that sentence, you have to explain, in that sentence, what the whole essay is all about.

Also, especially in college, plagarism is an issue. "Taking-and-go" content from books and internet (sources). You might be told that, to avoid that, you would have to dedicate an ending page to where you get certain information from (one of them will be Airliners.net, since you pulled out content from this forums). The internet has a wealth of information

----------[ essay content (planes) ]----------
Nice! and lots of content, but...
Organize your essay into 5 paragraphs.

-Starting paragraph, with [*thesis*]
-1st topic that you want to talk about
-2nd topic that ...
-3rd topic ...
-Conclusion (eg. "I conclude my essay ... airbus is ... boeing is ... therefore [*thesis*] ).

several suggestions if you want (else you can have it your way):

Starting: What is Airbus, Boeing? (for the airline-illiterate (sorry!) teacher.
1st topic: History of Airbus, Boeing
2nd topic: What both companies are doing now in the market.
3rd topic: Future plans
Thesis: (eg. "I conclude my essay ... airbus is ... boeing is ... therefore [*thesis*] ).

Just helping...and remember, the internet and the people participating in this forum are your wealth of information!!


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