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Bellicheck A Sore Sport  
User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

After losing to the Giants in Super bowl XLII Coach Bellichek left the field with :01 left.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/nfl...Belichick-would-rath?urn=nfl,64971

Granted losing sucks, but the Pats didn't exemplify good sportsmanship.

What says the crowd?

Tony Romo brought Jessica to a game, they tank; Brady brings the Victoria's Secret model to the top game, and he tanks. A good superstition set-up.

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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

It didn't surprise me one bit....

Bellicheck is quite possibly the biggest asshole in all of sports.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1706 times:



Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
After losing to the Giants in Super bowl XLII Coach Bellichek left the field with :01 left.

In all fairness, didn't everyone think the game was over but the NFL, the coaches already shook hands, the field was full of people, etc. Perhaps Bellichek learned leaving early from Randy Moss.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1706 times:



Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
After losing to the Giants in Super bowl XLII Coach Bellichek left the field with :01 left.

Pretty crappy deal IMO.

Poor sportsmanship.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1697 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
In all fairness, didn't everyone think the game was over but the NFL, the coaches already shook hands, the field was full of people, etc. Perhaps Bellichek learned leaving early from Randy Moss.

Bellicheck is a guardhouse lawyer, he knew damed well with a change of possession, the other team needs a snap for it to be over. He did throw the red flag for twelve men didn't he? He knew damned well. Even Giseele Bundchen doesn't treat Brady as harsh as the Giants D did.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

In all fairness, the clocked showed zero when everyone hit the field. It was then that the clock had 2 seconds then just one second put back on it. While Belicheck was looking for Caughlin. At that point, it was a mess. All because they had to put one second back on? Not even Dave Krieg was going to fumble that snap if they played it out.

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

I thought it was pretty crappy of him to make the officials enforce a penalty on the Giants when their 12th player was one step from being off the field when NE snapped the ball. That was not a play-affecting situation so he was just taking a cheap shot. The intention of the rule is to keep one team from having more "players" than the other.

Poor sportsmanship or a smart way to gain 5 yards? You be the judge.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1650 times:
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To be fair to him, everyone thought the game was over and I believe I saw the two head coaches shake hands in the middle of the pitch. What was he supposed to do, go back to the sidelines, wait on the kneel-down, then shake hands and say "Well played." again?

Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
I thought it was pretty crappy of him to make the officials enforce a penalty on the Giants when their 12th player was one step from being off the field when NE snapped the ball. That was not a play-affecting situation so he was just taking a cheap shot. The intention of the rule is to keep one team from having more "players" than the other.

Poor sportsmanship or a smart way to gain 5 yards? You be the judge.

Well, it was very late here, so I may not be remembering this too well, but weren't NE about to punt having not completed the pass on 3rd down (the play with the 12 men on the field)? So, I think NE kept possession instead of having to punt.

It's the Superbowl, they're there to win and will use every tool at their disposal. If NY was smarter they would have only had 11 men on the field, then it wouldn't have been an issue. Personally, I think any head-coach would have thrown that red flag in the same situation.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1631 times:



Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
Brady brings the Victoria's Secret model to the top game, and he tanks.

I think Tom Brady is a very talented player, but he is such a womanizer. He's like some of the cool jerks I went to school with.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Pretty crappy deal IMO.

Poor sportsmanship.

I wonder if anyone cried after losing. You won THREE already. So you missed out on the one win that would have solidified your perfect historic season -- GET OVER IT!  Smile

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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11265 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Be fair. The clock read :00 when he trotted on the field. They added a second.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

As noted by others, it was believed there was no time left, the losers were leaving the field, the winners going on the field to celebrate, but the game had not officially ended. Probably Bellicheck wanted to go hide and cry about losing the big one. What a jerk.

User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

The NFL was stupid for enforcing a rule that impacted nobody and served no purpose at that moment.

User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Maybe people would be giving him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't such a douche all the time.

He's proven time and time again that he is a sore sport, so I think that's why this is a bigger deal than it should be.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1583 times:



Quoting AAce24 (Reply 12):
Maybe people would be giving him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't such a douche all the time.

He's proven time and time again that he is a sore sport, so I think that's why this is a bigger deal than it should be.

Really? He is? Or is this an opinion because he wins more than anyone else?


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 13):
Really? He is? Or is this an opinion because he wins more than anyone else?

I have no problem with people who win.

I just don't agree with the way he does things, his whole arrogant approach...

And since when do you defend Boston area sports teams?  Wink

[Edited 2008-02-04 09:31:33]

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1541 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
I thought it was pretty crappy of him to make the officials enforce a penalty on the Giants when their 12th player was one step from being off the field when NE snapped the ball. That was not a play-affecting situation so he was just taking a cheap shot. The intention of the rule is to keep one team from having more "players" than the other.

Poor sportsmanship or a smart way to gain 5 yards? You be the judge.

Even though I dislike Belichick, he was absolutely right to throw out the challenge flag on that...it was not a cheap shot as it was 4th and less than 5, so if he was right, the 5 yard penalty gives the Pats a first down...and he was right...



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User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

It certainly made for an interesting post game interview. All I know is he was sore about last year and losing to the Colts, he then comes back and wins 18 straight games (still technically beating Miami's 17-0) in a fashion that could arguably be one of the best single season performances by a team in any sport. Now he lost his baby in the big game, I'd personally would not want to be facing the Patriots at all next year based off his diabolical track record for vengeance.

User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

The NFL should have just let the 1 second run off.... everybody knew the Giants would just take a knee, so what was the point of that....

I don't blame Bellicheck, as everyone thought the game was over... the league should have left it alone at that.

Besides, Bellicheck needed to get into the locker room and hide the video's he took of the Giants final walk-through the day before... (just kidding!!)



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1512 times:
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Bellicheck ran out on the field when the clock hit zero (mistakenly and I hope they fire someone over that) and shook hands, and hugged Tom Coughlin while smiling at him. Sportsmanship was demonstrated. I doubt he looked up as he was running off the field since he was rightfully upset over losing (as any of us would have been) and he did come back once the field was cleared. He wasn't trying to be a poor sport. Go look at the TIVO for confirmation of all this.

I'm not a personal fan of the guy, but he's a damned good coach and didn't do anything wrong here.

I do think that the asterisk their season is going to have is his fault, and I think it's good that the Giants won for more reasons than I wanted Strahan to get a ring, and to see if Archie's pants can hold him now.....

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
I think Tom Brady is a very talented player, but he is such a womanizer. He's like some of the cool jerks I went to school with

Says who? He broke up with a woman before he knew she was pregnant, and has evidently been dating this other one since then. Is he constantly photographed with starry eyed young women who rotate weekly? No...he's dating a woman who makes almost as much as he does, if not more. Who dumped her movie star boyfriend to date him.....I'm not sure where folks get off calling names of others when they don't really know anyone involved. It appears that you're mad at him for being good looking and famous.......

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 15):
Even though I dislike Belichick, he was absolutely right to throw out the challenge flag on that...it was not a cheap shot as it was 4th and less than 5, so if he was right, the 5 yard penalty gives the Pats a first down...and he was right...

Absolutely. He would have been negligent in not doing that....taking advantage of mistakes and the rules is part of the game.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 17):
The NFL should have just let the 1 second run off.... everybody knew the Giants would just take a knee, so what was the point of that....

Nah....rules are there. What if they'd fumbled and the Pats recovered to run it back for a td? It's happened before. I'd have demanded it, and I'll bet Bellichick didn't know about the extra two seconds or he'd have stayed on the sideline and tried to strategize how to screw with the Giants on that last snapcount.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1451 times:
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Quoting AAce24 (Reply 1):
Bellicheck is quite possibly the biggest asshole in all of sports.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Poor sportsmanship.

What you guys here are missing is, you're all basing this on an opinion of a news acticle(and of course the media, they're never wrong) and lack of knowing Bill Bellicheck. He did shake hands with Tom Coughlin, and him running off the field, not shaking hands with everyone in sight is kind of matter of personal preferrence. He and Coughlin are really the only guys who really have to shake on a game. I don't him myself, but a few freinds aho've done at UA and DL who've done Browns/Pats charters, spoke very highly of Bellichick, and from other industry people, he is known to be a very quiet reserved guy, and quite the contrary to all that is said, he's not a poor sportsman. People were surprised at his reaction when they won the first and 2nd Super Bowl. His third was SB postgame reaction was much like last nights loss. A quick, few words, and that was it. He was more happy, and had more to say to Howard Stern the next morning. I'm sure he's making calls to the Giants organization today sending his regards, so relax a tad.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
To be fair to him, everyone thought the game was over and I believe I saw the two head coaches shake hands in the middle of the pitch

You did. Becuase I saw it too. It was a fleeting glance, but it did happen.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
The NFL was stupid for enforcing a rule that impacted nobody and served no purpose at that moment.



Quoting Nkops (Reply 17):
The NFL should have just let the 1 second run off.... everybody knew the Giants would just take a knee, so what was the point of that....

That's easy to say now. But I bet that was one of the toughest snaps Eli took all tnight. With all that pressure, a botched snap is a real possibility. Pats recovering the ensuing fumble and run it back into the endzone- Touchdown and Pats win. It's not unrealistic. It's not like the Giants were up two or more scores, and teams blowing the game on the final snap has happened before. Plus, it prevents the Patriots from later challenging the legitimacy of the game, saying "there was still 1 second left to play".

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 7):
To be fair to him, everyone thought the game was over and I believe I saw the two head coaches shake hands in the middle of the pitch. What was he supposed to do, go back to the sidelines, wait on the kneel-down, then shake hands and say "Well played." again?

Not necessarily. But a good leader would stay with his men till the end, which he didn't do. His team was still out there; only playing for a kneel down or not. Funny thing is, I still respected Bill Belichick as a coach and a leader even after the cheating scandal with the video cameras at the beginning of the season. Leading his team to 16-0 in the regular season was a great accomplishment. But my respect for Belichick just dropped significantly after I watched him abandon his team last night.

If your men are out there, you need to be out there too. He obviously missed General Hal Moore's "First man on the field, last one off" lesson in leadership.

Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
I thought it was pretty crappy of him to make the officials enforce a penalty on the Giants when their 12th player was one step from being off the field when NE snapped the ball. That was not a play-affecting situation so he was just taking a cheap shot. The intention of the rule is to keep one team from having more "players" than the other.

Poor sportsmanship or a smart way to gain 5 yards? You be the judge.

Looking at this objectively, I say Bill Belichick made the right call there- and I'm a Giants fan. It wasn't just 5 yards- it was a first down in a VERY close game on what would have been a change of possession. Maybe "cheap" in a sense but within the rules and therefore I feel Belichick, given the circumstances, and the officials reviewing the challenge made the right call.

-EDIT For Spelling

[Edited 2008-02-04 13:25:10]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1381 times:



Quoting AAce24 (Reply 12):
Maybe people would be giving him the benefit of the doubt if he wasn't such a douche all the time.

 checkmark  Bill Belichik has a history of not losing gracefully.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
If your men are out there, you need to be out there too.

 checkmark  Eleven of his players managed to get onto the field to finish it out. He could have done the same. If he made a mistake and thought the game was over, that's fine - so did a lot of people. But once he figured it out, he's got to go back and watch it to the end.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
Plus, it prevents the Patriots from later challenging the legitimacy of the game, saying "there was still 1 second left to play".

They can't do that since in their 2001/2002 win the clock was still at 3 or 4 seconds when Vinatieri's field goal went through. The Rams still could have won it on the kickoff. But nobody really cares about that, and they probably wouldn't care about this one either if they had just called the game then.

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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1356 times:



Quoting Miamiair (Thread starter):
After losing to the Giants in Super bowl XLII Coach Bellichek left the field with :01 left.

He was running from the karma that was coming to bite him in the a**.
Videotaping another team during the regular season: NFL fine.
Losing the Super Bowl to the #5 seed: priceless.
When life doesn't take honesty, there's always karma.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1347 times:



Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
It appears that you're mad at him for being good looking and famous.......

Sure, that's it.

So it's a crime to give one's opinion on someone or something... sarcastic 

Quoting Redngold (Reply 22):
He was running from the karma that was coming to bite him in the a**.
Videotaping another team during the regular season: NFL fine.
Losing the Super Bowl to the #5 seed: priceless.
When life doesn't take honesty, there's always karma.

Now that's a good one.



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User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

This is coming from a Pats fan: Belichick MUST be fired.

Last night was the last straw. Spygate, being surly with the media, giving the same garbage responses to everything, the possibility or more spying a few years back, and now the "secondgate" thing at the end of the game last night. In addition to all that, he CLEARLY did not have his team ready to play last night. With all the baggage he carrying, he is more of a cancer to this team than I think anyone realizes. He's a great football coach, but a really shitty person.


And to Scott Pioli (Pats GM): Get the Pats a secondary. No, really. I'm not talking some BS backup guy you got from some school nobody has heard of. I want top-line shutdown corners. You want to revamp that defense... you just found your answer.



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25 Post contains images Jpax : He's a sissy just like Mr. Moss. Poor baby lost his 19-0 chance at history.
26 Tugger : Seau cried. I guess he didn't get his supeybowl wing that was pwomised on the outside of the box of Patriot cereal he'd bought. Tug
27 Jpax : Awwww, poor baayyyby!
28 FlyDeltaJets87 : It's pretty tough to fire a coach who makes it to the Super Bowl, yet alone goes 16-0 in the regular season. I don't see it happening. Heck, Coughlin
29 Post contains images KROC : They don't play in Boston. I hate to tell you, but every team tapes the other team. It already came out that the Jets were caught taping teams and th
30 Post contains images Nkops : And looked how much it helped them!!!
31 Mir : Everyone wants top-line players at every position. The Pats have a top-line quarterback, a top-line recieving corps, very good if not top-line runner
32 Steeler83 : Wow mate. Where did I hear that one before? oh yeah, Steelers fans were saying the same thing about Cowher -- well sort of, they just wanted him fire
33 Post contains images SAN787 : Hahaha LMAO Prime example of CHEATERS NEVER WIN!!! There couldn't have been a story written better than how last night turned out! So happy for Eli &
34 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : I've never been a Randy Moss fan. Lost a lot if not all respect for Belichick after last night. Tom Brady is a great quarterback, but it was great to
35 IADCA : Asante Samuel is pretty darn good. Of course, he's a free agent and probably won't be back. The problem with that secondary is Rodney Harrison. He's
36 L-188 : He should have learned something from Star Trek, Never be the guy in the red shirt.
37 CastleIsland : Let's see. Rules are rules, no? Patriots lost a draft pick (1st round, BTW) for the filming aganst the rules. Same film from some 50 yards away with
38 Post contains images DL021 : did I say that? I offered my opinion? That hurt you in some way? Stopcryingwolf....or just stop crying... There's an old saying about good losers....
39 Steeler83 : Ok, I guess I misinterpreted your post. My bad...
40 Post contains images DL021 : OK...then I take back all the nasty things I was going to write about you in my diary.......
41 Post contains images Steeler83 : You monster!!
42 Post contains images SAN787 : Sorry Bill, CHEATERS NEVER WIN!!
43 Post contains images Steeler83 : Hahaha! After all, many said he is a crybaby.
44 Post contains links SAN787 : Couldn't resist... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFfobQftP5k
45 Post contains images GQfluffy : Shakes head... Yeah....give me a frickin' break. This coming in the year that the Patriots have TWO first rounders. Whatever. Bullshit punishment. Th
46 Tugger : He busted his ass cuz it was handed to him. Yeah I'd get into crying over that. Not to mention that he'll likely be gone next year. You should try it
47 Post contains images FXramper : I'm glad Blackbird is banned right now. Add Brady and Moss to the list of sore losers. Neither will participate in the Pro Bowl. Sorry ANCflyer.
48 Scbriml : Except in cycling, weight-lifting, baseball, athletics, etc. etc. Every team or person that wins in sport pushed the rules to the edge, and many time
49 KL773ER : Thank f'ing goodness, too. After watching the interview and the behavior during it of Bellicheck after the game, I will add to the sentiments above m
50 KROC : The Pro Bowl is the biggest waste of time in any of the major sports. I wouldn't bother showing for it either.
51 AAce24 : This I can agree with. Even the NHL All Star game is better.
52 SAN787 : I'd enjoy a trip to Hawaii after getting off work. With Brady and Moss being sore losers, this years Pro Bowl will feature the Indianapolis Colts vs
53 FXramper : Agreed. Waste of time, waste of money, the NFL should be ashamed of it. Goodell needs to hold it mid-season like he's kicked around before.
54 DL021 : Oh, I have tried it.... I'm only human. But this whole thing about needing the opposing team to be badly hurt in order to feel good about winning isn
55 Tugger : I'd say it him in person. Of course I'd be respectful about it as most people in person are. For me he just really let me down as a San Diego Charger
56 Scbriml : Would the clubs agree to release players with the risk of injury?
57 FlyDeltaJets87 : Which means it will basically be the Colts vs. Dallas. The Cowboys have 11 players going to the Pro-Bowl. The Super Bowl Champion Giants- One. What's
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