Lobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
Arguing that too many brothels and sex bars are linked to criminality, the authorities plan to all but erase the Red Light District. If the plan goes through, the peep shows, sex shops and prostitute windows that line the small alleys and canals will have to go, giving way to galleries, boutiques and upscale restaurants and bars. Goodbye to the big neon signs advertising every possible form of sexual indulgence.
Amsterdam without the Red Light District? Wouldn't that be like Paris without the Eiffel Tower? Amsterdam's mayor, Job Cohen, and his aldermen have demonstrated little nostalgia for the district, which has been the world's most famous home of sexual permissiveness since the 15th century. They first unveiled the plan to close it in December; last month they revoked the licenses of two widely known sex venues, the Casa Rosso and the Banana Bar. The next step is to buy out the real estate owners. Last fall the city struck a deal with a powerful brothel owner, Charles Geerts (known as "Fat Charlie"), to buy 20 buildings.
The driving force behind the cleanup is Lodewijk Asscher. A young star of the Dutch Labour Party and deputy mayor of Amsterdam, Asscher believes it's time to deliver his hometown from sleaze—even if he's scuppering a $100 million-a-year industry in the process. He is pleasantly surprised, he says, by the public support he's gotten for the plan. "Every day I get e-mails," he says. A recent survey confirms the sentiment: the city administration's polling agency found that 67 percent of Amsterdam's population supports a clampdown on sketchy business. The Amsterdam City Council approved the plan about two weeks ago by an overwhelming 43-2 majority.
Wow, first I've heard of this. I did know that they banned mushrooms, I suppose it's the first step to "cleaning up the city".
I've been to Amsterdam many times and the Red Light is always a fun place to go. But, it's also a place you can walk in the middle of the day with your kids. I don't see the reason behind this. How many visitors does Amsterdam get because people can do what they do there? But the politicians claim it's all drug dealers and human traffickers. While, if so, thats their own damn fault. I thought prostitution was regulated? Apperently not enough to prevent *gasp* human trafficking. I suppose it's going on to a small extent, but I highly doubt the majority of the gals in the windows are being trafficked. Sounds like another campaign of someone knowing whats best for everyone else.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11789 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
This will just push the prostitution and illicit activities underground. If he thinks that it's possible to extinguish what is effectively the oldest business on the planet, then he is very naive - in my opinion it's much better to have everything above board rather than underground where there is a much greater likelyhood of women being trafficked through gangs.
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Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1): This will just push the prostitution and illicit activities underground. If
I guess he's never heard of the Prohibition movement. Banning something popular will only drive it under the surface where it can't be readily observed and monitored. But on a serious note, I thought that Europeans were more relaxed and liberal when it comes to prostitution and sex...
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LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13254 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
I have been in Amsterdam (about 20 years ago) so familiar with the location of the 'RLD'. I think what is happening is like what has happened in many cities, like NY City and London, that is the gentrification of former undesirable districts close to or part of the centers of cities so the rich can be close to their workplaces, shopping and legitimate entertainment districts. Their demands and their money is causing the buying up of less desirable areas.
There has been a shift of the 'working women' from local Dutch women to illegal immigrants, women from Eastern Euro countries and Russia desperate for income being duped with offers of nice jobs then being exploited by 'agents' and basically forced into the sex trades. Many politicians are jumping on the moral bandwagon and for some legitimate reasoning to curb that exploitation to get voters.
The internet has killed off many of the porn shops. Pressures from religious Christians, the growth in numbers of believes of Islam in the Netherlands, some ugly religious based acts (like the murder of film makers VanGogh), and a general shift away from the everything goes to a more moderate society along with exploitation by some politicians, are all adding to the demand to reduce or eliminate the 'RLD's', access to soft drugs, nudity in public advertisements and so on.
There are many other places and sites of culture in the city, including fine museums of art, interesting architecture, beyond the RLD and coffee shops for pot.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1828 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3): Pressures from religious Christians, the growth in numbers of believes of Islam in the Netherlands, some ugly religious based acts (like the murder of film makers VanGogh), and a general shift away from the everything goes to a more moderate society along with exploitation by some politicians,
That's pushing it a bit. These are not the real issues, no matter what some may have you believe.
The RLD in Amsterdam is going nowhere. The plan is only to reduce the number of windows, not do away with them entirely. The focus will be more on regulation and driving away the increasing number of illegal migrants getting into, or being forced into prostitution. The weed shops aren't going anywhere either.
having lived in Amsterdam for seven years (and loving the city to bits), I can tell you one thing. Get rid of the RLD and the weed shops, and the pubs and nightlife would go along with them, and the touristic economy of Amsterdam would grind to a halt as a result.
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14306 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2326 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3): I think what is happening is like what has happened in many cities, like NY City and London, that is the gentrification of former undesirable districts close to or part of the centers of cities so the rich can be close to their workplaces, shopping and legitimate entertainment districts. Their demands and their money is causing the buying up of less desirable areas.
This happens everywhere. Former inner city working class districts suddenly become fashionable, the rents rise and the traditional inhabitants and businesses have to move out.
CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
Fundamental conservatism will ruin the world if allowed to do so. We MUST fight this. Be a religious freak in the privacy of your own home, and allow me to be a sex perv in the privacy of another's home. I ain't shooting nothin' on your sidewalk, so go screw off.