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Scientists Predicting Another Ice Age  
User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Global Cooling comes back in a big way

Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun. Solar activity comes in regular cycles, but the latest one is refusing to start. Sunspots have all but vanished, and activity is suspiciously quiet. The last time this happened was 400 years ago -- and it signaled a solar event known as a "Maunder Minimum," along with the start of what we now call the "Little Ice Age."

Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, says it may be happening again.

.......Observational data seems to support the claims -- or doesn't contradict it, at least. According to data from Britain's Met Office, the earth has cooled very slightly since 1998. The Met Office says global warming "will pick up again shortly." Others aren't so sure.


http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activ...t+Another+Ice+Age/article10630.htm

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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Better put on your abestos suit, the globe around your computer is about to warm considerably.  flamed 

User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

so..............? what happened to global warming then?

Does this therefore prove that climate change is a result of sun cycles and not greenhouse gasses as previously thought? or is it time to fly more in order to stop the ice age?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Damn. Is science proving theories wrong again? Better change the science to make it fit.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Out here in Mumbai its the coolest in 47 years.Quite weird around this time though to have such low temperatures.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

This time last year half the uk was covered in snow. Past 2 days here in London we have had warmish weather, very strange.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

By all means - stick to handpicked data points and totally avoid the conclusions scientists are drawing! Voluntary confusion is much move convenient for justifying complacency than actual analysis!  crazy 

User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2375 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17081 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2423 times:



Quoting Trekster (Reply 5):
This time last year half the uk was covered in snow. Past 2 days here in London we have had warmish weather, very strange.

Agree, same here in Sweden.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2409 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Quoting Trekster (Reply 5):
This time last year half the uk was covered in snow. Past 2 days here in London we have had warmish weather, very strange.

Agree, same here in Sweden.

I think that the guy who designs the weather has decided to use early 2008 to demonstrate the difference between weather and climate. Good luck to him/her. Others have failed.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2388 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
I think that the guy who designs the weather has decided to use early 2008 to demonstrate the difference between weather and climate.

Is this weather or climate...

Quoting Mham001 (Thread starter):
According to data from Britain's Met Office, the earth has cooled very slightly since 1998

?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Hmmm, I need to go to Wal-Mart to buy new clothes. So does anyone know if it is getting hot before it gets cold? Or will it get cold before it gets hot?

I just want to know what to buy?

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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
By all means - stick to handpicked data points and totally avoid the conclusions scientists are drawing!

instead shall we look at one report which says greenhouse gases are increasing, another which says global temperatures are increasing - then draw conclusions that the two must be linked?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2370 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 12):
instead shall we look at one report which says greenhouse gases are increasing, another which says global temperatures are increasing - then draw conclusions that the two must be linked?

No. By themselves, two pieces of research are not enough to draw wide-ranging conclusions.

However when thousands of research results point consistently into the same direction with none or very few dissenting, that is an entirely different matter. And that is why the global community has decided to draw the consequences.


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2366 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
to draw the consequences

 confused  Your otherwise excellent English has deserted you here.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21488 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2360 times:



Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 14):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
to draw the consequences

Your otherwise excellent English has deserted you here.

Thank you... but where is the problem?

To clarify: The global community has decided to draw the necessary consequences from the current state of research.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2326 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
The global community has decided to draw the necessary consequences from the current state of research

I suspect you mean "conclusions", not "consequences". To me, "drawing the consequences" implies getting what you deserve. Yes, it's nit-picking - we know what you meant.  Smile


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2114 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2319 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):

Thank you... but where is the problem?

Appearantly, the German "Konsequenzen ziehen", meaning "to act accordingly", can't be translated word by word into "to draw consequences". The latter seems to translate more to "Konsequenzen auf sich ziehen".

Interesting, I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2312 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 16):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
The global community has decided to draw the necessary consequences from the current state of research

I suspect you mean "conclusions", not "consequences". To me, "drawing the consequences" implies getting what you deserve. Yes, it's nit-picking - we know what you meant.

Interestingly while it is indeed a nit pick and your explanation David is 100% correct, there is another nit pick in the opposite sense. If GW is indeed being affected by [CO2], if we do not attempt to reduce the increase in [CO2] then we will suffer consequences rather than conclusions.  Big grin


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2309 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
However when thousands of research results point consistently into the same direction with none or very few dissenting, that is an entirely different matter. And that is why the global community has decided to draw the consequences.

theres no denying that global temperatures are increasing - theres no denying that greenhouse gasses are increasing. There is plenty of research to back this up. However there is NO proof that the two are linked. Its mearly speculation

Also bear in mind that the media likes to jump on "newsworthy" results - thousands of research papers could be written showing there will be no major changes in climate, and one single paper showing a drastic swing in global temperatures. Guess which one gets published and grabs everyones attention?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Thread starter):
Dr. Kenneth Tapping is worried about the sun

I naturally searched what Dr. Kenneth Tapping might have said, where and in which context. Someone asked him directly, and it appears another someone has put words into his mouth:


The stuff on the web came from a casual chat with someone who managed to misunderstand what I said and then put the result on the web, which is probably a big caution for me regarding the future.

It is true that the beginning of the next solar cycle is late, but not so late that we are getting worried, merely curious.

It is the opinion of scientists, including me, that global warming is a major issue, and that it might be too late to do anything about it already. If there is a cooling due to the solar activity cycle laying off for a bit, then the a period of solar cooling could be a much-needed respite giving us more time to attack the problem of greenhouse gases, with the caveat that if we do not, things will be far worse when things turn on again after a few decades. However, once again it is early days and we cannot at the moment conclude there is another minimum started.

(...)

Please feel free to quote what I said. I think it is a real shame that we sometimes see the downside of the freedom of the web, and that an investment journal would quote reports like that without going to their source.



http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008...dont_trust_anything_you_read_i.php

Quoting Mham001 (Thread starter):
activity is suspiciously quiet

We have the first solar cycle 24 sunspot spotted in Dec 2007, so everyone can now relax and take it easy.

http://sidc.oma.be/news/101/welcome.html

The prediction for the coming years:


Dec. 21, 2006: Evidence is mounting: the next solar cycle is going to be a big one.

Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011 "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the Marshall Space Flight Center. He and colleague Robert Wilson presented this conclusion last week at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.






http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm

[Edited 2008-02-10 08:36:31]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11672 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

If there was to be a complete lack of sunspots for many years then it is likely that the global temperatures would slip by a few degrees on average. This has happened before during an event called the 'Maunder Minimum' when only a handful of spots were recorded for decades. Normally though they operate on an 11 year cycle, so around about now we will be experiencing the minimum period so in five or six we should be back to the maximum again.


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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2247 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 21):
If there was to be a complete lack of sunspots for many years then it is likely that the global temperatures would slip by a few degrees on average.

Your scale is set badly wrong. "A change of a few degrees on average" is just a sort of disaster a fully-developed global warming would result in. There has been a minimum in the early 1800s that lasted for decades and did not result in such a dip.






Solar output during the Maunder Minimum was reduced approximately 0.25%, which is equivalent to a global temperature reduction of about ½°C; however, the actual temperature decline during the Little Ice Age was ½ to 1½°C (Nesje and Dahl 2000). This suggests that other factors, namely volcanism, were also at work to create cooler climatic conditions.

http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/ice/lec20/lec20.htm


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Well if this is true, maybe our emission of greenhouse gasses and heating of the atmosphere will be counteracted by less solar activity.... lol.

-AA777


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2229 times:



Quoting AA777 (Reply 23):
Well if this is true, maybe our emission of greenhouse gasses and heating of the atmosphere will be counteracted by less solar activity.... lol

Or amplified by more, which can't be excluded.


25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Not so much my scale as my wording - by that I mean one to two degrees, I should have phrased it better.   The Maunder Minimum to which I was referr
26 Post contains images Klaus : No offense taken... I've read the phrase so frequently over the years - with never a correction in sight - that I've never questioned it. That's defi
27 Post contains links AverageUser : No, it was your scale that was/is wrong not your wording. There's just no way our worldwide temperature can go up or down worth whole degrees in a ma
28 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Sorry to be pedantic here, but in my original sentence I said 'many' not 'few' and, it was in reference to another long term event occurring like the
29 AverageUser : That's the very reason why such phrases are called "false friends", you tend to use them without noticing. Every learner will fall for them some time
30 Bagpiper : So um... could you show where those *thousands* of research points for global warming are? Thanks!
31 Post contains images Klaus : Indeed... and it's why corrections generally do more good than harm. Expressions which are almost the same in different languages are the most danger
32 Klaus : Simply check the climatology research of the past decades. There are numerous peer-reviewed publications dedicated to the field.
33 AverageUser : I'm sorry but you've just met your match in pedantry: your exact words were, to quote you from your post: "If there was to be a complete lack of suns
34 Mham001 : Speaking of pedantic, a few refers to 3 or more. 2 is often called a couple. Also, he does not say if he is referring to Celsius or Fahrenheit which
35 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I no longer seem to understand what you are getting at? I already explained to you what I meant by the first comment you highlighted and, that I shou
36 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Sorry, it is Celsius, I should have added that - in the UK just saying the temperature is 'xyz' degrees is associated with your meaning degrees Celsi
37 Post contains images Foppishbum : Sounds like The Day After Tomorrow
38 Post contains images Banco : If you are going to be pedantic, then in English it's traditionally written "Krakatoa" actually.
39 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I'm not going to say a thing - I was wrong on both accounts - but I freely admit that my spelling is poor
40 Post contains images Dc9northwest : Yes. In Bahasa, it is Krakatau though
41 Post contains images Banco : And if that was the language he was writing in on here....
42 Baroque : Well IF we are going to get really picky, in Bahasa Inggris, it is written Krakatoa and pronounced "owe ah" However in Bahasa Indonesia, it is Krakat
43 AverageUser : Not everyone agrees here, even on this relatively simple issue. I did not catch the specific "3" mentioned in any of my printed disctionaries. a few(
44 Post contains links and images RJdxer : Would that be "son" of Krakatoa? Then perhaps you should check in one of your printed "dictionaries" one-being a single unit or thing couple-an indef
45 Post contains images Wingnut767 : Come on AverageUser, There are plenty of Scandanavians in the upper Midwest. You will feel right at home on the lakes up there.
46 Post contains images Agill : All this pedantic stuff, is it to prove that you all are annoying people or what is the point?
47 AverageUser : ok, thank you: here's from it: "few", adjective, sense 2: at least some but indeterminately small in number —used with a again, turning to "some" f
48 Post contains links Baroque : Correct AverageUser, anak is child and non specific for gender. Laki laki is a boy, and perempuan a girl. I am not sure about Finnish but I think you
49 Post contains images RJdxer : Some people have no sense of humor. As in Son of Kong, or Son of Frankenstien...... I see you left one and couple out of the mix. I don't know how it
50 Post contains links Wingnut767 : No fueled by the Incredible cold fronts pudhing in from the Artic Mercury in Minnesota Town Plummets to Record Low Monday, February 11, 2008 E-Mail P
51 AverageUser : That's correct. We have absolutely no grammatical gender in the language, and that applies to all the related languages, and afaik to those that are
52 Baroque : On the other hand, the same mistake was made in many textbooks which variously rendered Anak Krakatau as Son of Krakatoa and others as Daughter of Kr
53 Indy : Unfortunately that isn't the case. Never mistake the vocal minority for a consensus. Correct Actually global temperatures have been in a slight decli
54 CastleIsland : For all the naysayers on either side out there, it certainly isn't unusual for the scientific community to disagree with one another. That's good for
55 Post contains images Falcon84 : Well, since the polar caps are still melting at an alarming pace, I think for now I'll disagree with the good scientist mentioned above. There'll be a
56 Aerobalance : Planet Earth is always in a state of flux, get used to it.
57 Indy : Their objective is to get published. For a while it was blasphemy to publish something against global warming. But it looks like that has changed. Yo
58 CastleIsland : I take your point, Indy. Your statement begs a question, however: How come people who deny global warming, or, more specifically, deny human involvem
59 Indy : And many people believe that to be the case as well. Then there are people who believe he existed. Problem is that unfortunately if you repeat someth
60 AverageUser : Yes, it's a possibility. Lacking the rigid she/he background concept many Finnish speakers of English seem at times (even when they're advanced learn
61 Indy : I was stating that you weren't seeing it and now you are. Scientists couldn't get contradictory research published. It wasn't politically correct. Th
62 AverageUser : May I ask where can I see the material that I now can see?
63 Post contains images Indy : Google is your friend. Do searches on the PDO, solar activity, North Atlantic current, etc. I have a feeling we aren't on the same page based on the
64 AverageUser : If we talk about scientists, they publish their main science in scientific publications. When you say: "you are finally seeing conflicting research be
65 Andaman : Same here, I mix she/he quite often in my speech, so typical for Finns speaking English. It seems it's hard for the Finnish brains to learn the diffe
66 Indy : Do a little looking. You'll find it. You can also do a little data analysis on your own as well. To see whether the reports of cooling since 1998 are
67 Post contains links and images Indy : For those who care to see it here is the global temperature trend from Jan 98 to Jan 08. The chart and trend was generated by Excel. A cooling trend b
68 Klaus : Scientific consensus is not defined by conspiracy sites on the web but by peer-reviewed scientific publications. Sure. Still no reason to damage our
69 Indy : You talking about the same reviewed publications that get changed after the review in order to change meaning of the report? That kind of stuff? That
70 Klaus : If during the peer-review process inconsistencies with the principles of proper scientific research are discovered, the paper is to be rejected and i
71 Post contains images Indy : I am familiar with the process. What do you think of a paper being approved and then being altered after the fact in order to change the message? Lik
72 Klaus : Then why are you making claims which are inconsistent with such insight? What exactly are you referring to? There were no WMDs in Iraq in 2003 as the
73 Indy : Do a little searching and you will find your answers. That is pure nonsense. Data analysis? You mean data manipulation The calculation is simple. Tha
74 Post contains links Klaus : Okay, so we have to discard your claim as simply unfounded. When assumptions are fed into an analysis, those assumptions restrict the generality of t
75 Baroque : Veeery interestink! Also worth noting that trends are markedly influenced by the outlying data in the X-axis. The trend line comes from the co-variat
76 Post contains links and images Wingnut767 : GISTEMP records -0.75 °C year on year! Not quite an ice age yet but a definate downtrend is there. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts
77 Post contains links and images Wingnut767 : tt seems that the warming trend in the 1990's was not really that unprecedented "Many others have argued based on proxy evidence throughout the world
78 Post contains links Wingnut767 : Two forecasting experts, Scott Armstrong and Kesten Green of “Public Policy Forecasting” have conducted an audit of the forecasting principles of
79 Post contains links AverageUser : That's one to remember. Did you by the way find the scientific publishing house that prints the climate reports that are discarded as heretic by the
80 Indy : There are no assumptions. The charts were built using data from RSS. The data was loaded into Excel and plotted. There were no clever formulas run. J
81 AverageUser : But for the life of you, you can't remember the address you downloaded them from?
82 Post contains links Indy : RSS is Remote Sensing Systems. Their website is http://www.ssmi.com/ .
83 AverageUser : Do they automatically direct me to your data? Is there a reason for some secrecy here or what?
84 Indy : Do some work. You'll find it.
85 AverageUser : If you are unable to produce your research data on request, your credibility as a researcher will zoom down to precisely 0. This applies to all ranks
86 Indy : I gave you the website the info came from. You want me to hold your hand?
87 Klaus : You are at the same time claiming to have "disproved" actual scientific research each of whose publications satisfies the full range of painstaking p
88 CastleIsland : Linear Regression on data with a very low correlation coefficient, such as those you have presented, is tenuous at best. At this very time, I am deal
89 Indy : Do you have a recommendation for an alternative method for trending the data? Does Excel have a better system for plotting trends? To me the exciting
90 Klaus : True, especially on the ones employed by the federal US government. There are explicit orders from the White House that EPA, NOAA and NASA employed s
91 Indy : We may agree on very little but that is one thing I think we'll see eye to eye on. I am completely disgusted with the current administration and the
92 AverageUser : So it seems you are totally unaware of the fact that everything in your work must be correctly referenced to, a mere website address will not be enou
93 AverageUser : The increase can be as much as you want, really. There's no limit for it to be "modest". More greenhouse gases means more energy trapped from the Sun
94 Indy : You will be able to find everything you need here. ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/ You'll find data for 3 different layers as well as lan
95 AverageUser : Thank you! I wonder why this piece of info was so hard to come by. It would have been reasonable to post it along with your graphs in the first place
96 Baroque : Indy, as you are trying to demonstrate a short term downward trend, a linear correlation is appropriate. However, I assume you have used the product
97 Post contains links and images AverageUser : If everything should fail, you can always use GISS as a fallback: here's where the action is right now. You can see the present peak La Niña clearly
98 Indy : Do you by any chance know where to get access to the raw data that these maps are compiled from?
99 CastleIsland : Well, either you need to plot temperature against a different y-variable with a greater correlation, or you need to use more high-powered statistics
100 Indy : I know Excel can do a progressive average if thats the right term. It will basically smooth out the wild spikes you get from month. When I get back f
101 Post contains links AverageUser : I compiled these snippets for you from the GISS site. Gridded Monthly Maps of Temperature Anomaly Data Users interested in the entire gridded tempera
102 Baroque : Indy, the most important thing you need to do is to calculate the confidence limits on the gradients. With low values for the correlation coefficient,
103 Indy : I'll get back to you guys when I come home from my trip on the 21st. I'm out the door here in a couple of hours. Flying IND-DTW-DUS today. First time
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