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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Okay for those that thought it was only California, this time its in middle-america, Ohio to be exact.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330197,00.html

So much for training...then again why did the Marines travel from Grand Rapids to Toledo to work on their ubran tactics, I would like Detroit would be perfect.

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
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This, it seems is going to become popular, to proclaim their opposition to the Armed Forces by restricting their presence. It's seems like it's a fad, for community leaders and city officials, to do this, to pander to the anti-war part of their constituancy so they'll get votes. It's an attempt at junket politics. Screw 'em. Defend yourselves, becuase I could care less about your crappy city. Toledo is a joke


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

I'm just waiting for Oceanside to kick the Marines out.


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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

I'm just amazed that:

1.) people in certain cities are actually stupid enough to ban the military from their town. If it's about recruiting, remember...THERE IS NO DRAFT IN PLACE, MORONS! It's still a VOLUNTEER military, the last time I checked. If the people of Berkeley don't want to join, fine.

3. The People's Republic of Eugene, Oregon wasn't the first town in the country to do this.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1871 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
If the people of Berkeley don't want to join, fine.

Yep, I doubt there are many from Berkeley, unless the Marines have a 4:20 break.



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User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

It's funny that here in America, the sight of your country's military training "frightens people". A few years ago my guard unit went up to Winnipeg, Canada to train with Canadian forces. A huge part of that was urban warfare. Both sides were dressed up in full battle-rattle with weapons (unloaded) and were basically running around the city completing various missions. It was a good learning exercise and PR as we were welcomed with open arms and had quite positive reactions on the streets. I find it odd that Canadian citizens don't get "frightened" by the presence of American soldiers training in their city, yet Americans get frightened by American soldiers training in their city. How pathetic are the people of Toledo? Or, is it just the mayor being one giant dip-ship.

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1723 times:



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
How pathetic are the people of Toledo? Or, is it just the mayor being one giant dip-ship.

Well they don't need the money that the soldiers might spend, all those glass factories you know.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Screw 'em. Screw 'em all . . . .

The bastards . . .

Ohio, SoCal, NoCal, San Fran, where ever . . .

if you do not support the US military in the US, you deserve nothing but condemnation, period.

The US military gave you your freedom - and they continue to do so - whether your fruitloop loving bunny hugging ass thinks that way or not.

Read my A-Net signature . . . . and never make the mistake of disrespecting the military in my grid square . . .


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Ohio, SoCal, NoCal, San Fran, where ever . . .


SoCal? I was kidding about Oceanside. They love the Marines there...lots of strip joints. I've been to Camp Pendleton quite a few times. I even stayed overnight there...I know where the brig is located.

[Edited 2008-02-11 22:24:12]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1693 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 8):
SoCal? I was kidding with Oceanside.

I ws referring to a different SoCal . . . your guess.

Yes, the Marines and the Navy are WELL respected south of LA and north of Tijuana . . . the balance of California however probably could two shits . . .

About how I feel about the balance of California . . .


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1667 times:



Quoting Lobster (Reply 5):
A few years ago my guard unit went up to Winnipeg, Canada to train with Canadian forces. A huge part of that was urban warfare. Both sides were dressed up in full battle-rattle with weapons (unloaded) and were basically running around the city completing various missions. It was a good learning exercise and PR as we were welcomed with open arms and had quite positive reactions on the streets. I find it odd that Canadian citizens don't get "frightened" by the presence of American soldiers training in their city, yet Americans get frightened by American soldiers training in their city.

Were the Canadians subjected to endless "terror alerts" like Americans were? The Mayor may just be fed up with the federal government and the BS. The feds have done nothing but strip away states rights by holding highway money for ransom. But they want to come to the local towns to train? This could just be part of a bigger pissing match. This may be his way of showing the feds that he is still in control of his town and he can tell the feds what to do after years of the feds telling the little guy what to do. If this is the case it is fair to say the feds have brought it upon themselves for the abuse of power.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1622 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Ohio, SoCal, NoCal, San Fran, where ever . . .

I would suppose since that Alaska is full on end of the road type people, and decent share of the population in your state is also anti-military.

I still think Detroit would have been better for urban training than Toledo.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1576 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
and decent share of the population in your state is also anti-military.

Nope . . . quite the contrary. The largest population of veterans per capita than any other state . . . and the veterans - and active duty - are all very well respected . . .


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1557 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
fruitloop loving bunny hugging ass

As someone who has pet rabbits, loves Fruit Loops, and has several friends and family members--past and present--in the military, I find this statement offensive.



Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

I don't really understand this.

Was this "excercise" going to block traffic and the towns folk ability to get to/from work school, shopping etc? or would it be more of a city wide convention?

If it was going to block the citizens movement then maybe the powers that be should have had some meetings to go over the plan and minimize any inconvenience to the people of Toledo.

If it was published in the media and on the radio then why would the intelligent people in Toledo be "afraid"?

Crazy politics....


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1443 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Ohio, SoCal, NoCal, San Fran, where ever . . .

You still haven't acknowledged the fact that you erred when you referred to Berkeley as being SoCal. I thought you were a big enough man to admit when you were wrong.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
The US military gave you your freedom - and they continue to do so - whether your fruitloop loving bunny hugging ass thinks that way or not.

Yes, and included in that freedom is the ability of first Berkeley and now Toledo to do exactly what they're doing yet you not only take exception to it, but you've gone so far as to wish for the destruction of an entire state; simply because you disagree with a belief or two shared by a certain amount of the population. Sounds like more chest thumping by military types who don't hesitate to tell us we have them to thank for protecting our rights (although I stand by my belief that our occupation of Iraq has not effected my freedom one eyeota). Yet, when those rights are exercised, exception is taken. Sure sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Read my A-Net signature . . . . and never make the mistake of disrespecting the military in my grid square . . .

Now you're just sounding like the neighborhood bully. I can exercise my freedom of speech that the military has "given" me, just so long as I don't exercise that freedom in your, um, grid square. Yeah, OK. That's what freedom's all about.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1404 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
if you do not support the US military in the US, you deserve nothing but condemnation, period.

The US military gave you your freedom - and they continue to do so - whether your fruitloop loving bunny hugging ass thinks that way or not.

The I suppose I stand condemned.


Laurence Vance explains it well.

-

The military is a force for evil in the world. The military spreads democracy by bombs, bayonets, and bullets. The military enforces a belligerent U.S. foreign policy. The military is the world’s unwanted and unloved policeman. The military garrisons the planet with troops and bases. The military is responsible for the network of brothels around the world to service U.S. troops who have no business being away from home. The military accounts for one third of all federal spending. The military accounts for over one half of total world military spending. The military increases terrorism by its foreign occupations.

The military does not defend our freedoms. The military does not secure our borders. The military does not patrol our coasts. The military does not guard our shores. The military does not fight terrorists over there so we don’t have to fight them over here. The military does not protect our First Amendment rights. The military does not keep us safe. The military does not ensure that we can speak English. The military is not retaliating against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.

The greatest danger to American life, liberty, and property is not the leaders or the military of Iran, China, Russia, or Venezuela: It is the government of the United States.

-

Emphasis is mine


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1397 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The greatest danger...is the government of the United States.

Sounding a little Reaganesque there huh?  Wink

"Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem."

--Ronald Reagan



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1389 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
Laurence Vance explains it well.

-

The military is a force for evil in the world. The military spreads democracy by bombs, bayonets, and bullets. The military enforces a belligerent U.S. foreign policy. The military is the world's unwanted and unloved policeman. The military garrisons the planet with troops and bases. The military is responsible for the network of brothels around the world to service U.S. troops who have no business being away from home. The military accounts for one third of all federal spending. The military accounts for over one half of total world military spending. The military increases terrorism by its foreign occupations.

The military does not defend our freedoms. The military does not secure our borders. The military does not patrol our coasts. The military does not guard our shores. The military does not fight terrorists over there so we don't have to fight them over here. The military does not protect our First Amendment rights. The military does not keep us safe. The military does not ensure that we can speak English. The military is not retaliating against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.

Seems like Laurence Vance is a freaking moron - your typical pacifist, that is, worthless pansy. If he hates the military so much, he doesn't deserve the life and privileges that those evil American military men gave their lives for long ago while using their violent and unnecessary weapons.

It's absurdly obvious this country means nothing to him, sacrifice and freedom mean nothing to him, he just likes to spout crap. To hell with him.




-NWA742


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1379 times:



Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
so much, he doesn't deserve the life and privileges that those evil American military men gave their lives for long ago while using their violent and unnecessary weapons.

The militiamen that made up the Continental Army were not the equivalent of today's professional American soldier.

However, they were allowed and encouraged to train in the own towns, something that the USMC apparently wasn't granted in this case.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29698 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1377 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
Laurence Vance explains it well

Don't know who Laurence is but he is an idiot.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1373 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military is a force for evil in the world.

Really? And just how many countries has the military helped out in a time of need? Tsunami? Earthquake in Iran? The National Guard is military, so they must be that "evil force" behind all stateside natural disasters.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military is the world’s unwanted and unloved policeman.

Where is the military policing anyone?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military garrisons the planet with troops and bases.

Your right. That bring in millions of dollars a year to local economies. Your too blind to realize that the small towns in Germany LIKE having the army there. Those evil bases support many a local economy.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military is responsible for the network of brothels around the world to service U.S. troops who have no business being away from home.

Brothels? Is that how low you must go to argue? Pathetic. See above for US troops away from home.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military increases terrorism by its foreign occupations.

Proof? We haven't had a terrorist attack since 9-11, so I call BS on that one too.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not defend our freedoms.

So then who does?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not secure our borders.

Ever hear of Operation Jump Start?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not patrol our coasts. The military does not guard our shores.

Um, the Air Force has been, and continues to fly sorties over the coast and major US cities. The Coast Guard is under control of DHS, but many consider it part of the military.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not protect our First Amendment rights.

Well, if it wasn't for the military, your ass wouldn't have a First Amendment right to begin with.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not keep us safe.

Then who does?

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military does not ensure that we can speak English.

Once again, if it wasn't for the military, your ass might very well be speaking French, German, Japanese, etc right now.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The military is not retaliating against the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks.

So Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9-11, no terrorists were ever trained there, Bin Laden was never there, etc.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1368 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):
The militiamen that made up the Continental Army were not the equivalent of today's professional American soldier

Moot point.

The militiamen that made up the Continental Army were still American soldiers - they were the FIRST American soldiers. This moron you quote hates American soldiers and our military. He obviously believes they can do no good, therefore he doesn't deserve all the good that we have on behalf of what they've done for us before, period.




-NWA742


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1364 times:



Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 15):
You still haven't acknowledged the fact that you erred when you referred to Berkeley as being SoCal. I thought you were a big enough man to admit when you were wrong.

Oh, but I did . . . I also said SoCal started at SanFran . . . . so, a mile or three off, who really cares . . . SoCal/Mid-Cal/San Fran . . . same, same . . .

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 15):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Read my A-Net signature . . . . and never make the mistake of disrespecting the military in my grid square . . .

Now you're just sounding like the neighborhood bully.

Sorry . . . if the combat boot fits . . . I'm no bully . . . I just refuse to stand by while people that have their own asses protected deride the military and don't have the balls to serve themselves . . .

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 15):
Sounds like more chest thumping by military types who don't hesitate to tell us we have them to thank for protecting our rights

Exactly what it is. Weren't for types like me, and a couple million others, your asses (not you personal like ItJustMe) would be hung out to dry a long time ago . . .

You can refuse to admit it - you'll be wrong . . . but you can refuse . . .

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 16):
The I suppose I stand condemned.[/quote}

 yes 

Our history well known. No need for you to subject yourself to further abuse . . .


[quote=MD-90,reply=16]The military is a force for evil in the world.

See, the reason any further conversation with you is an absolutely worthless effort . . . this is the OPENING sentence in your paragraph, everything after this is inane prattle. . . .

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
Seems like Laurence Vance is a freaking moron

Yup, just like that other moron MD-90 listens to . . . Lew"I'ma frackin'Moron"Rockwell.com . . . .

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Don't know who Laurence is but he is an idiot.

Simple, accurate . . . .


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

To those who want to keep the military out of places, I have one thing to say to that...



BULLSHIT!!!!

If I could join the USAF right now, and fly, I would in a heart beat, but due to my neck deformality, I cannot. However, I respect those men and women who get up at 0330 and don't sleep for days on end because they are protecting us from the likes of terrorists across the globe. The men and women who get up at 0330 to die for us. I respect every one of them. If a city does not want the military training there, they do not deserve to be called a "City in the United States of America."


25 MD-90 : You have Thomas Jefferson and the Baptists to thank for the existence of the First Amendment in the Constitution. Killing is killing whether it is sa
26 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : He is a teacher from Pensacola Jr College. Pensacola and the US Military....wow sounds like he lives in the lions den then!
27 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : I'm glad we got that cleared up from the last thread. So will you pardon our lovely town from your wish of distruction of this lovely state? Please?
28 Post contains images NWA742 : Haha - I was in Pensacola about a month and a half ago, too bad I didn't know about this freak then. I could have had a blast stamping pro-military s
29 Confuscius : Now if you can get rid of the jarheads and the NIMBYs you'll have a humongous brand spanking new airport.
30 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Haha, you got it bro. That would be great to meet you, come on out. Just let me when you're coming, let me know what you need, and you got it . Them
31 Post contains images NWA742 : Thanks man, I appreciate it. Feel free to holler anytime you're in and around Austin as well. Awwwwww.........the sixth grade Michael Moore logic is
32 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Blah, Blah, Blah . . . inane blather . . . nothing more.
33 Saxdiva : MD90, I've got one fundamental problem with this... "the military" does not shape our foreign policy. Politicians do. Politicians play an ENORMOUS ro
34 Stratosphere : That's fine..If you do not want the Marines or any other service at your school that is fine you have that right. However, they have the right to den
35 MD-90 : You're absolutely right. But without volunteers there wouldn't be any soldiers for the politicians to use to invade other countries and kill foreigne
36 Post contains images Lobster : Because that's all the military does right?
37 Post contains images ShyFlyer : So what you are saying is that its the volunteers' fault that politicians use them to "invade other countries and kill foreigners."
38 MD-90 : Is that their fault? No. But without bodies the military wouldn't be able to do what the politicians use it for.
39 L-188 : Jr college, that explains it. Sort of like being a cyst in an otherwise wonderful serrano ham. Sorry but I am going to have to back the Sgtmajors all
40 ShyFlyer : Ahh, so perhaps we should take our frustrations out on the politicians rather than military.
41 Ual777 : I would just like to add that it is a federal offense to block a recruiting station a la bezerkly. Why havent arrests been made? Discuss.
42 Fumanchewd : I agree with Jefferson but how so the Baptists? Just curious, haven't heard that one. Also, forgetting Adams would be a mistake.
43 MD-90 : Hmmm, I can't find the article I read about it. Perhaps it was only the freedom of religion part of the First Amendment? I may have typed a little ha
44 ANCFlyer : Sorry Saxy, you have a point. A lot of fine folk in Cali support the military . . . just hardly eny of 'em in Gov't . . . didn't mean to offend you .
45 AirCop : Back to the topic here, I was reading an article in the morning paper regarding the Mayor of Toledo. Sounds like a different type of guy; loved his id
46 Post contains images SKYSERVICE_330 : In the 2004 election, the Liberal Party tried to use a scare tactic ad which basically implied that the Conservatives were going to have the military
47 Post contains images AirCop : Ugh, (I'm not feeling the love here) where the heck is Cali someplace in Columbia I suppose, please show some respect to the natives.. Senator Dianne
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