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Chavez: "We Aren't Going To Send Oil To The US"  
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4109 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

MSNBC is reporting that everyone's favorite dictator, Hugo Chavez, is yet again threatening to stop oil exports to the US if ExxonMobile continues to try to secure assets in Venezuela.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23098780/

Quote:

"If you end up freezing (Venezuelan assets) and it harms us, we're going to harm you," Chavez said, turning his words to U.S. President George W. Bush. "Do you know how? We aren't going to send oil to the United States. Take note, Mr. Bush, Mr. Danger."



Quote:

"I speak to the U.S. empire, because that's the master: continue and you will see that we won't send one drop of oil to the empire of the United States," Chavez said during his weekly radio and television program, "Hello, President."

Personally, I think we (US) should just stop importing from Venezuela. It would be expensive and cause prices to jump in the near term, but frankly, I'm just stick of this lunatic. We should just cut all ties with him, seems that's what he wants anyway.

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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3293 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
Personally, I think we (US) should just stop importing from Venezuela. It would be expensive and cause prices to jump in the near term, but frankly, I'm just stick of this lunatic. We should just cut all ties with him, seems that's what he wants anyway.

It's not that simple. Gulf coast refineries were designed to handle the very heavy stuff that comes from Venezuela, and they'd be in trouble if the supply was suddenly cut off. Having said that, they are pulling out all the stops to try and increase the volume of heavy crude from the tar sands in Alberta. There have actually been a few oil tanker shipments from Vancouver, down through the Panama canal, to the gulf coast. At the same time, they are putting new pipe in the ground as fast as they can to get the flow from Canada increased.

So don't do anything to piss us off.  Big grin



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
Personally, I think we (US) should just stop importing from Venezuela. It would be expensive and cause prices to jump in the near term, but frankly, I'm just stick of this lunatic.

We're all sick and tired of Chávez, but as far as banning imports from Venezuela, I don't think such a ban would happen in the near term (at least not until 6 months after the Presidential inauguration). Even then, there's no guarantee that Big Oil, particularly CITGO, would allow that. That being said, Chávez needs those oil exports to the US, it's one of the main sources for financing his own dictatorship.

Personally, ban his oil from the US and cut off that flow of money that he so desperately needs for his dictatorship. I'm still very surprised that despite the Bush-Cheney doctrine, the US is still doing business with Venezuela's dictatorship.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3272 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
We're all sick and tired of Chávez

Most of you are sick and tired of him! Don't include us! We love him!

Signed,

Alex!!!! and Joni


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3274 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):


Personally, I think we (US) should just stop importing from Venezuela.

And that will not happen. While many may not like Chavez, buying oil from his country is far better than the alternative, which is importing more from Saudi Arabia.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
I'm still very surprised that despite the Bush-Cheney doctrine, the US is still doing business with Venezuela's dictatorship.

For the exact reason mentioned in your first clause, you should not be surprised at all that the US does business with Venezuela



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3262 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
And that will not happen. While many may not like Chavez, buying oil from his country is far better than the alternative, which is importing more from Saudi Arabia.

Why is that a worse alternative? If the Saudi's can make up what we lose because of Venezuela, and it stings Chavez financially, all the better.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3257 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
I'm still very surprised that despite the Bush-Cheney doctrine, the US is still doing business with Venezuela's dictatorship

Take a look at some of our allies. Its a very hypocritical to the extreme but absolutely necessary . No wonder people around the world hate us.....

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Most of you are sick and tired of him! Don't include us! We love him!

Signed,

Alex!!!! and Joni

Everybody is entitled to their opinion...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3254 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):

Why is that a worse alternative? If the Saudi's can make up what we lose because of Venezuela, and it stings Chavez financially, all the better.

You are kidding, right? At least Chavez is still held at least a little bit accountable to the electorate, as was shown by the referendum late last year. Further, I don't know of any Venezuelan terrorists that have attacked the US recently, and certainly none named Osama Bin Laden, Mohammad Atta or King Abdullah al-Saud for that matter.



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
I'm just stick of this lunatic
Don't worry ! I would say around 80 % of all Venezuelan are tired of him and 60 % wouldn't vote for him again. It is always the same ! He is boring the whole country and driving its economy down the drain. Day by day...more and more. Even his supporters are sick of this guy.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Thread starter):
We should just cut all ties with him, seems that's what he wants anyway.
That's what he wants. And that's what would make him strong again giving him an excuse for all his failures...the US empire. Leave him, let him talk. As soon as he is alone he has no chance !

Just give us some time here. We need some elections to solve the "problem". By the end of the year he is going to lose lots of states in the governors elections and in 2009 there will be a referendum to revoke him.

[Edited 2008-02-10 16:12:50]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3232 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
You are kidding, right? At least Chavez is still held at least a little bit accountable to the electorate, as was shown by the referendum late last year.

I'm more worried about gas prices here right now, not Chavez dealing with his electorate, much as I support the Venezuelan people.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3210 times:



Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
By the end of the year he is going to lose lots of states in the governors elections and in 2009 there will be a referendum to revoke him.

Wasn't there already a referendum to remove him from office? And wasn't that election judged fair by international observers?

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
Don't worry ! I would say around 80 % of all Venezuelan are tired of him and 60 % wouldn't vote for him again. It is always the same ! He is boring the whole country and driving its economy down the drain

If he could tone down the crazy rhetoric and focus just on social programs for the poor and keeping inflation under control he would be a more popular leader....



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3210 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
You are kidding, right? At least Chavez is still held at least a little bit accountable to the electorate, as was shown by the referendum late last year.

Chavez, while an orangutan, is pretty intelligent. It was in his interest to loose that referendum and so he did.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 8):
Just give us some time here. We need some elections to solve the "problem". By the end of the year he is going to lose lots of states in the governors elections and in 2009 there will be a referendum to revoke him.

I don't believe Chavez will recognize any election result that does not suit him.

More than 75% of Venezuela's income comes from oil exports. More than 25% of that income, if not more, comes from oil exports to the US. Furthermore, few countries in the world can process the oil coming from Venezuela. Good luck stopping oil exports to the US. It would instantly bankrupt the country and not even Chavez would be able to handle the social backlash. Thus, it's something that will not happen. Just more vintage Chavez trash talk.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3202 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
I'm more worried about gas prices here right now, not Chavez dealing with his electorate, much as I support the Venezuelan people.

If that is the case, then you definitely don't want Saudi Arabia replacing Venezuela



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3195 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 11):
Furthermore, few countries in the world can process the oil coming from Venezuela. Good luck stopping oil exports to the US. It would instantly bankrupt the country and not even Chavez would be able to handle the social backlash. Thus, it's something that will not happen. Just more vintage Chavez trash talk.

Exactly. He's said it before and he'll probably say it again. It is interesting the Exxon position. They stood up to him and won in court. It seems as though Chavez is worried.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3178 times:



Quoting AR385 (Reply 11):
Furthermore, few countries in the world can process the oil coming from Venezuela.

Don't get too complacent; that can be fixed. China is trying to tie up as much oil supply as it can around the world, and it isn't rocket science to tweak a refinery to handle that heavy crude. Those shipments out of Vancouver? Some of them went to China for an evaluation.



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User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3503 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
And that will not happen. While many may not like Chavez, buying oil from his country is far better than the alternative, which is importing more from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi can not replace the Venezuelan production.The market is already very tight.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
and certainly none named Osama Bin Laden, Mohammad Atta or King Abdullah al-Saud for that matter.

Osama is Saudi,Atta was Egyptian.
Now How do you like it if i call the French president a terrorist.I will not because i have a lot of respect to France and the French people.Great country.
King Abdullah is doing a great job.He is very well liked here in Saudi Arabia.I will agree that some mistakes were done in the past.But Under King Abdullah is changing things slowly but surely.You can not people ideas in a year or two.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
If that is the case, then you definitely don't want Saudi Arabia replacing Venezuela

Could i ask you why?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3104 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 15):

Could i ask you why?

If he is worried about fuel prices going up further, then he definitely wants the oil that Gulf Coast refineries are set up to handle and that comes a much shorter distance. Not to mention

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 15):
Now How do you like it if i call the French president a terrorist

I generally prefer to call him a xenophobic elitist

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 15):

King Abdullah is doing a great job.He is very well liked here in Saudi Arabia.I will agree that some mistakes were done in the past.But Under King Abdullah is changing things slowly but surely.You can not people ideas in a year or two.

A great job of what? Solidifying his family's hold on power at the expense of democracy? Continuing the complete and total subjugation of women not realistically rivaled by any other country in the world? Active and relatively open support of terrorism, including in Iraq? Active support of Sunni terrorism against Iran? The number one state sponsor of terrorism to this day?



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9236 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Chavez is a disgruntled maniacal diabolical degenerate loon with a few too many screws loose who must be overthrown. Take Bin Laden, put him in some form of political office, and you get Hugo Chavez IMO  scared  scared 

Bin Laden is still one scary dude nonetheless!



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User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 876 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Most of you are sick and tired of him! Don't include us! We love him!

Signed,

Alex!!!! and Joni

I must be missing something. Who is Alex and who is Joni?

-A


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

From the news reports, Exxon-Mobil was thrown out as a participant in the development of oil resources in Venezuela, and negating their investment and anticipated profits. Other partners (other foreign-European companies) made deals with the Chavez government reducing their cut in any participation. Exxon-Mobil refused those changes. They got courts in the UK and the Netherlands to order damages in the amounts of something like $ 13 Billion for the negation of their contracts with the Venezualan government. I would assume that the issues Exxon-Mobil has is they believe that the had a contract, that Chavez in his perverse reasoning wants to screw around with the USA and a major oil company, probalby to make a bigger bribe-cut for himself and his supporters on the deal.
Unlike until the 1980's, we can't send in our military to overthrow the dictator and anti-USA jerk Chavez has become. It would be foolish for him to cut off the oil to the USA for the reasons noted above. It would also screw up Citgo a major refiner, distributor, wholesaler and direct marketer of fuel products and petrochemicals which is at least 50% owned by the Venezulen government oil company. They sell their fuel to many states from Texas, the southeast and into the Northeast USA. They have major facilites in Texas, Louisiana, and New Jersey. It would really screw up the world's economies big time with much higher oil prices.
I think the USA ought to put pressure on Chavez by economic embargos and restrictions including foreign exchange, money transfers, travel via visas to the USA as well as other methods.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3087 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
Take Bin Laden, put him in some form of political office, and you get Hugo Chavez IMO

Quite an exageration. Chavez is more comparable to Castro than to Bin Laden....



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User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

We have a saying in Spanish something like "dog that barks doesn't bite"... I thing this stupid guy just can't do that...simple: 60% of the Venezuelan oil exports goes to USA while just 15% of the US oil imports comes from Venezuela


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

So then Chavez will sell all that oil to someone else who then will turn around and sell it to the U.S., making some money on top of it . . . Chavez is supporting capitalism by creating more profit opportunities!


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
Other partners (other foreign-European companies) made deals with the Chavez government

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inter.../elpepiint/20080209elpepiint_2/Tes

Chevron also accepted Chavez's terms, unlike ConocoPhillips who launched a similar strategy to ExxonMobil's.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3062 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
I think the USA ought to put pressure on Chavez by economic embargos and restrictions including foreign exchange, money transfers, travel via visas to the USA as well as other methods.

Forget the visas. Venezuela isn't in the Visa Waiver Programme, so by definition, all Venezuelans have to get a visa to enter the US, even tourists.


25 SCCutler : Yawn. It's a commodity.
26 Baroque : Maybe instead of slinging insults at Chavez someone should check on the price for steam coal over the past month. You might find part of your answer t
27 SOBHI51 : Again you are using insults and still i will respond politely. Women are now intigrated in the society,you will find women doctors,enginers,bankers,e
28 LTU932 : What about Sharia law? Isn't KSA one of the strictest countries in the world with regards to Sharia law?
29 Post contains links SOBHI51 : Quoting LTU932 (Reply 29): What about Sharia law? Isn't KSA one of the strictest countries in the world with regards to Sharia law A couple of weeks a
30 L-188 : Cuts both ways, there isn't the spare refinery capacity to handle Chavez's oil in the rest of the world. Agreed, Castro is a better comparison.
31 Rleiro : Chavez has lost lots of popularity since his 2nd assumption to power. The intentions of implementing a pseudo-socialist-communist regime "a la Fidel",
32 L-188 : Is he going to make an exception for his lap-dog Joe Kennedy?
33 Rleiro : It is a mere speech that is used in this time precisely to raise his popularity as a leader who is not afraid of the "aggressions" of the "imperialis
34 LTU932 : Me neither, but the problem is that doesn't get covered by the media. All the media wants to broadcast is negative and sometimes sensationalist, and
35 N1120A : I am not insulting anyone. The fact that the Saudi government is propped up by countries that claim to be pro-democracy is an insult. Women can't eve
36 Post contains links Arrow : For now, yes. But don't count on the status quo. I've clipped a few recent articles that show China is definitely not standing still. China trader Si
37 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : ..... attacked the USA ??? and with Mohammed Atta you mentioned one the four exceptions among the 11Sep01 "activists" which were not Saudi - Correct.
38 N1120A : Atta was my mistake.
39 Diamond : This thread has veered way off-topic and has little to do with Chavez and Venezuela now. Locked.
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