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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

It seems as if Blu Ray has pulled ahead in the format war. Do you own Blu Ray or HD DVD and what is your feedback in your player? Can Blu Ray and HD DVD co-exist in the market?

I have been waiting for the price to drop before purchasing one, and recently found the Toshiba HDA3 HD DVD player online for $128.88 with no sales tax and free shipping, not to mention it came with The Bourne Identity and 300 as well as a rebate for 5 more HD DVDs by mail. Just received it, the picture quality and sound quality are beautiful!! I would have prefered a Blu Ray player, but I am happy with my ROI.

I'd prefer a BMW M3, but I'd gladly take a CLK63 AMG for 1/4 the price.


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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
Just received it,

$128.88 wasted in my opinion. Regardless how cheap you got it, it will be a dead format in less than five years. They're just selling them cheap so they can get rid of the surplus.

Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I'd prefer a BMW M3, but I'd gladly take a CLK63 AMG for 1/4 the price.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this is, is it an analogy? A CLK63 is surly not 1/4 the cost of an M3.

Either way, I do not own either format. I own a simple Panasonic DVD with up-conversion. I wanted to wait for two reasons. First being the exorbitant price of not only the player itself, but the movies. Second, I didn't want to risk buying a format only for it to be dead in a few years.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Don't buy it yet.

Quote:
Nearly all current Blu-ray players are obsolete: The Blu-ray standard is still evolving. Most models currently available use the original Profile 1.0 standard, while some newer models use Profile 1.1 (which adds the ability to show picture-in-picture commentaries). Later this year, the first Profile 2.0 players--which add the ability to deliver online special features (BD Live)--will become available. Ironically, both of these are designed to bring the Blu-ray standard in line with HD DVD players, which have long been able to deliver these features.

A couple of the most recent Blu-ray players (the combo players from Samsung and LG) can be updated from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 with a downloadable firmware update. But the PlayStation 3 is, supposedly, the only existing Blu-ray player that will be fully upgradeable to Profile 2.0. So if you don't want your Blu-ray player to be obsolete, the PS3 is your only choice until 2.0 models--such as the Panasonic DMP-BD50--hit later this year.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9864122-1.html


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I think HD-DVD is the better format, but Blu-ray is the winner already.

HD-DVD might survive as a specialist format on players that can handle both, but even thats unlikely now.


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1836 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
Regardless how cheap you got it, it will be a dead format in less than five years. They're just selling them cheap so they can get rid of the surplus

obvious statements! The laser in my bedroom DVD player was going bad, so I needed to invest in a new player regardless and this plays non-HD DVDs as well. IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1832 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 4):
IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.

Or just wait for things to settle down and use a standard DVD player with up-conversion for half the cost of your HD-DVD.



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1826 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 4):
IMO, purchasing this for $128.88 was a better investment than purchasing a $400 Blu Ray that will be $200 in another year.

Give it a few years and I can assure you, your investment will have been so poor you will be eating your words with humble pie for dessert.


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 6):
Give it a few years and I can assure you, your investment will have been so poor you will be eating your words with humble pie for dessert.

I will be thrilled if this DVD player lasts 3 years! My very first DVD player (a Sony DVPNS700P) is the only one I own that's still kickin! I've had a Panasonic and JVC bite the dust in the meantime. So, if this HD DVD in functional in 3 years, I'll be satisfied. I would feel sorry for the people who jumped on HD DVD when they were $500.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
standard DVD player with up-conversion

this one up-converts non-HD DVDs too.



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1815 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 7):
So, if this HD DVD in functional in 3 years, I'll be satisfied. I would feel sorry for the people who jumped on HD DVD when they were $500.

I think you missed my point. What I'm getting at is that your investment may sound good now (low price for new generation technology), but in a few years time your investment will work with a format which, as it stands, will be rendered obsolete.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

HD-DVD has already lost the war to Blue Ray. The only reason why they haven't officially thrown in the towel yet is that the remaining disks and players would immediately turn into landfill material in that exact moment, so they're merely trying to reduce the cost of giving up by delaying the inevitable until at least part of the existing inventory has been pushed out the door before locking up for good.

As long as people are looking at HD-DVD players as DVD players with HD upscaling ability plus the ability of playing a limited number of currently available HD movies I think it can be okay.


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1786 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 8):
I think you missed my point.

I understand what you are saying. Let me ask you...do you own a DVD? Do you own a DVD player? Why didn't you just wait for the next technology to come out? My point is that HD DVD players days are numbered, meanwhile I still have a shelf full of DVDs that will up-convert on this player. This product has hit a price floor before it becomes obsolete, but still makes for a presumed great quality piece of equipment for its nominal price.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I'd prefer a BMW M3, but I'd gladly take a CLK63 AMG for 1/4 the price.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this is, is it an analogy? A CLK63 is surly not 1/4 the cost of an M3.

 duck  Yes, if I were shopping for an M3 ($70,000 USD) and I could get a CLK63 with similar performance and satisfaction for $20,000...you can believe I'll pay 1/4 the price for a comparable product.


***back to the root of the discussion***
Do any of you own Blu Ray or HD DVD players, and what has been your experience with it?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

I don't have one yet. I'm in no hurry either. When they are down to the price regular dvd players are at now then I'll get one. I also think we'll likely see players compatible with both formats. Much like DVD drives for your computer can handle DVDR+ or DVDR-.


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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1775 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 11):
I don't have one yet. I'm in no hurry either. When they are down to the price regular dvd players are at now then I'll get one. I also think we'll likely see players compatible with both formats

Dual format players are currently available...around $800 retail. And Indy, just because you will know...mine came from hhgregg on 96th St.



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1770 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 10):
Do any of you own Blu Ray or HD DVD players, and what has been your experience with it?

I have a PS3 and Blu Ray is awesome on my 57" 1080p HDTV. While upconverted DVDs looks great, there is just no comparing it to BluRay IMO. It's difficult to watch a non-BR movie now  Smile I have no experience with HD DVD, sorry.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1767 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 12):
Dual format players are currently available...around $800 retail. And Indy, just because you will know...mine came from hhgregg on 96th St.

$800? Dang! I guess I'll be waiting a while. How is the store on 96th st? I can use a trip to check the place out as an excuse to stop by Trader Joes.



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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1755 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
How is the store on 96th st? I can use a trip to check the place out as an excuse to stop by Trader Joes.

It's huge, if you've never seen it. It opened in late 2000, and was where I worked thru high school and college. However, I ordered it on their website, but all shipments come from this location. Check it out! Oh, and I live for TJs too!!



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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Just to add, I don't think there is anything wrong with your purchase, great buy! $128 is chump-change for the extra benefit of higher quality viewing/enjoyment, NOW! (not years down the road). Even if HD DVD were to "lose" in a year or so, your HD DVDs will still play on your HD DVD player. It's not like all-of-a-sudden BR wins and your players stops working  Smile

User currently offlineSBBRTech From Brazil, joined Jul 2007, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

The price you paid is a bit of a rip-off for a born-dead technology... but since you had a hundred something bucks burning a hole in your wallet... Big grin

I was waiting to see what format would be embraced by Paramount since I'm into collecting StarTrek series, and for a long time it seemed they'd decided for the HD...but now it's BlueRay for sure. The PS3 is a huge influence also.

But don't worry it'll be fun when you show people in the future a defunct format at work, just like a friend of mine who's got a fully functional Betamax player with loads (ok, like 12) movies. He loves showing it off as some sort of archeological prize.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1749 times:



Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 17):
friend of mine who's got a fully functional Betamax player with loads (ok, like 12) movies. He loves showing it off as some sort of archeological prize.

LOL, I once used one as a buoy anchor  Silly


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1740 times:



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
LOL, I once used one as a buoy anchor

How many guys did it take to carry that thing out to the boat  Big grin


Mike


User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1739 times:



Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 16):
Just to add, I don't think there is anything wrong with your purchase, great buy! $128 is chump-change for the extra benefit of higher quality viewing/enjoyment, NOW! (not years down the road). Even if HD DVD were to "lose" in a year or so, your HD DVDs will still play on your HD DVD player. It's not like all-of-a-sudden BR wins and your players stops working

Thank you, someone else sees the clear blue sky.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1693 times:



Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 3):
I think HD-DVD is the better format, but Blu-ray is the winner already.

Blu-Ray is the better format in a technical sense. HD-DVD is cheaper to produce.

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 13):
It's difficult to watch a non-BR movie now Smile I have no experience with HD DVD, sorry.

The untrained eye wouldn't pick the difference.

Quoting SBBRTech (Reply 17):
The PS3 is a huge influence also.

Microsoft killed HD-DVD by not including it in the Xbox 360. If they had done that, the proliferation of HD-DVD players would be double that of Blu-Ray which has been helped along by the Playstation 3. Who wants to buy a HD-DVD add on?


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1687 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Reply 10):
I understand what you are saying. Let me ask you...do you own a DVD? Do you own a DVD player?

Yes I own a DVD player, and no I don't own a Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD player. Main reason being that I'm waiting to see which format is the clear winner/prices to go down before investing...and as it stands Blu-Ray is going to be the winner.


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1666 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
I own a simple Panasonic DVD with up-conversion.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 1):
$128.88 wasted in my opinion.



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 5):
Or just wait for things to settle down and use a standard DVD player with up-conversion for half the cost of your HD-DVD.

Sorry, you're dead wrong. SAN787 spent $ 129 on a HD DVD player and received a movie + discount on some other movies. FYI, HD-DVD players can be used as upconverting DVD players too, so it can do the same job as your player + play HD DVD movies. How much did you spend on your upconverting player?


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Was it so that most of the major movie producers decided to go for Blu-Ray??? I can remember reading something like this. Also if I'm not mistaken the current HD-DVD has a better quality than the current Blu-Ray.

Somehow reminds me the Betamax VHS fight back in the day. Also if I'm not mistaken the Betamax had superior quality over the VHS.



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25 Post contains images Klaus : Indeed. A few were recently bribed to switch to HD-DVD exclusively (they had offered both formats before), but after that some more switched over to
26 Post contains images Gman94 : I've got a PS3 and the video output of Blu Ray is nothing short of stunning, though it can vary depending on the film. Just as an example Casino Royal
27 Post contains images Mikephotos : On a smaller screen (under 40") I'd agree. On my 57" or similar/larger TVs you'd have to be an idiot if you couldn't see the difference. My 2 year ol
28 WildcatYXU : Absolutely. There is a very well visible difference in picture quality between upconverted DVD's and movies from the Movie Network HD (i don't have a
29 Mirrodie : I have to say I agree with Mike verbatim as I have the same set up. I was "waiting" like you too until we won a collection of 36 Blu Rays discs! And
30 Post contains images SBBRTech : I agree. With the X360's head start against the PS3 the HD format would have spread beyond any pro-BlueRay campaign...but now it' s too late. So let'
31 Post contains images Mikephotos : Even without the ability to play games, the PS3 is awesome...I love it too. If you're looking to buy a BR player now, the PS3 is probably the best ch
32 AC777LR : That HD DVD player you bought for 129.99 is only good for 1080i not 1080p just look at Toshiba's web site for full details on that machine. The one th
33 SAN787 : Works for me, both of my flat panels are 1080i. That was the only difference between the HDA3 and HDA30 if I recall correctly.
34 Zkpilot : I have to question why you say that? It is smaller capacity and uses older technology (although picture quality is indescernable for most). Basically
35 Sv2008 : I hate this..............DVD free players have been around for ages, the same will happen with blu-ray, whats the point? This restricts PS3 owners ba
36 Mt99 : Yes - but it was close to be being finished. MS decided that launching the XBOX360 sooner was more beneficial than to wait for HD-DVD - this to get a
37 Bill142 : How big a say is the porn industry going to have in this war? They were the ones that ended the VHS v Beta Max war This again proves to me that the Xb
38 Post contains links Mt99 : Sound like HD-DVD will be officially dead soon "Toshiba is widely expected to pull the plug on its HD DVD format sometime in the coming weeks, reliabl
39 Post contains links and images Klaus : Toshiba to drop HD DVD, sources say Now that last part is a bit interesting as to the internal workings of the HD-DVD camp...!
40 Marcus : Betamax was the superior format this is why profesional video tape cameras, like the ones used by TV news field crews have them, the problem there wa
41 Post contains links NorthStarDC4M : http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9873029-7.html Stick a fork in HD-DVD... pity. Walmart went Blu, any bets on when the plug will be officially pulled?
42 Kmh1956 : OK, consider this the idiot post......what the hell is Blu Ray and what's the difference between that and HD DVD?
43 Post contains links SAN787 : Toshiba HDA-3 HD DVD player down to $119.99 w/ no tax and free shipping at www.hhgregg.com let's play limbo and see how low it can go...
44 Post contains links and images Klaus : Nothing to do with idiocy...! Here you go: Blu-ray Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
45 Kmh1956 : Thanks!!
46 SAN787 : Many HD DVDs are now Buy 1 Get 1 Free at Best Buy.
47 Post contains links Tugger : The other big failure in video discs: Does anyone remember the LaserDisc? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc Tug
48 SAN787 : haha...good call, i forgot all about those monsters!!
49 Post contains images Ag92 : Hmmm just recently I transferred from VCD to DVD, now with all this I won't be switching any time soon because of the prices and the cost of one movie
50 Elite : HD DVD is getting dropped by lots of supporters, and Blu-ray has basically won. Not really a fan as I'm used to the DVD, and it seems to be less expen
51 AC777LR : Well Yesterday marked yet another blow to HDDVD when Wal-Mart and Sam's Club said they will phase out HD DVD and only carry Blu-Ray. Bestbuy said that
52 RayChuang : The final nail in the coffin for HD-DVD was when Wal-Mart announced they were going Blu-ray exclusive and Best Buy will be mostly pushing Blu-ray form
53 EvilForce : Oh good lord! Get real. He spent $ 128. That's a bar tab for a night out on the town. If the player works for a year or 18 months, it was a fantastic
54 Boeing74741R : Fair argument, but given the choice of a bar tab in town or a device utilising a format which will soon be obsolete, it's a no-brainer for me. If it
55 Post contains links Phoenix9 : Seems like Toshiba has finally pulled the plug on HD-DVD. So I guess the format war is over (for now) and this time Sony is all smiles. http://www.syn
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