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Strip Search Gone Bad (Video)  
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Let see the person in question was a victim of an assault.
She gets arrested on a disorderly conduct charge a misdemeanor.
Once she is at the jail, she is stripped searched for a misdemeanor, with male officers participating (against the department policy according to the video).
My guess is that the detainee in the case had too much to drink, and based on my experience women under the influence were always a pain in the ass to arrest.
After watching the video, I'm thinking the Stark County Sheriff Department insurance carrier will be writing out a check.

http://hoanewsnetwork.com/media/news...-of-woman-by-sheriffs-deputies.php

[Edited 2008-02-15 10:07:27]

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4245 times:



Quoting AirCop (Thread starter):
I'm thinking the Stark County Sheriff Department insurance carrier will be writing out a check.

I was wondering when/if this video would hit NonAv. This incident happened in my own backyard.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4241 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
I was wondering when/if this video would hit NonAv. This incident happened in my own backyard.

What's the local reaction? From the video, we can't tell what happened to warrant those actions, but I'm sure there is more to the story.


User currently offlineNirmalmakadia From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

That is very disturbing.

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4229 times:



Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 2):
What's the local reaction? From the video, we can't tell what happened to warrant those actions, but I'm sure there is more to the story.

Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Part II of the video: http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=53820&sid=82519&bw=hi&cat=2

What's classic is the ad at the end of the story..

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

Just because one "threatened" suicide, and apparently she didn't she answered the question with a question, there is no need to strip search someone, suicide watch yes, having someone sit naked in a cell for six hours no, and using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

Part II of the video makes it look like a disaster for the very start for all the parties.


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

THIS CRAZY

This women really deserves alot and this case just is very disgusting.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4202 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):

Just because one "threatened" suicide, and apparently she didn't she answered the question with a question,

My sources told me that see said something to the effect of "well then I am going to f***ing kill myself"

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
no need to strip search someone,

Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

There is where they really screwed up. They knew better than that too.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4201 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

 scratchchin 

And she was not very cooperative in the video either. Any confirmation about whether she was drunk?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

So are you saying everyone that gets booked into the county jail regardless of charge, needs to be stripped searched? Most misdemeanor cases the suspect is usually just given a court date, or a small bond as apparently was it was in this case.
I've booked people into Parker Center, Los Angeles County Main Jail, San Mateo County, and numerous other jails, I never seen anyone stripped search for a simple misdemeanor.

[Edited 2008-02-15 11:00:44]

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4168 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 9):

So are you saying everyone that gets booked into the county jail regardless of charge,

No, but if they are acting like a nut case and then threaten suicide, a strip search is in order. What do think would happen if she wasn't searched and she then sliced her wrists with a concealed razor? What do think is worse, subjecting someone to a strip search and finding nothing or not searching and having that person later kill themselves?


User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4090 times:



Quoting A380US (Reply 6):
THIS CRAZY

This women really deserves alot and this case just is very disgusting.

Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent. If you look at the specifics of the case, it is plain to see why the deputies acted the way they did. Don't take the one, obviously biased side of the story as the only side of the story and vilify the officers.



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4049 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
Of course the talking heads have everyone in an uproar but few are stating all the facts.

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)
The lady then became combative
The lady threatened suicide after she was arrested, thus necessitating the strip search

 redflag 

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
no need to strip search someone,

Well then how do you check for concealed or secreted contraband?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
using male officers to strip search a female is a big no-no.

There is where they really screwed up. They knew better than that too.

Big huge screw up, they will lose on this alone. If they were violating one policy what other policies did they violate and not admit to (in the they say/she says battle it introduces doubt as to how the dept operated)?

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10):
No, but if they are acting like a nut case and then threaten suicide, a strip search is in order. What do think would happen if she wasn't searched and she then sliced her wrists with a concealed razor? What do think is worse, subjecting someone to a strip search and finding nothing or not searching and having that person later kill themselves?

Ever heard of a straight jacket? Or you could just restrain her with ankle and wrist cuffs till she calms down. There was no reason not to do something like this.

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 11):
Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent. If you look at the specifics of the case, it is plain to see why the deputies acted the way they did. Don't take the one, obviously biased side of the story as the only side of the story and vilify the officers.

 redflag 
As you said we aren't aware of the full story but the dept is not saying anything which if they could they would, clearly and without hesitation. Do you think the officers "side" won't be biased? As I said before they screwed themselves by not following policy with same sex personnel, how can you believe that they were stupid in other areas and are just not admitting it?


Last thing, she was the VICTIM of an assault, the cops admit to this, so why is all this happening? Do you think maybe her frame of mind was a bit screwed up and then you have officers of the law, who are supposed to protect you doing this? And the dead sister thing, well that is strange but if she did accidentally give a treasured memory to the officer and he refused to give it back and she had just been assaulted, all that trauma piling up on top of her....

The mind goes off on a tangent sometimes you now. They should have let her calm down.

Tug



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User currently offlineDC10extender From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4035 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):
Last thing, she was the VICTIM of an assault, the cops admit to this, so why is all this happening

Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.



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User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Well, I obviously wasn't there, but reading what I've read and my past experience, this is my conclusion:


Her and her friend were out one night for some drinks. Something happens and she was assaulted, crying, drunk.

The cops show up, ask for ID which is routine. She mistakenly hands them her dead sisters ID, and cop won't give it back. She explains to cop sister died, its means alot to her, still won't get it back. Being in an intoxicated state she gets pissed ( rightfully so in my opinion).

Gets arrested for DC and goes to jail. (This whole situation could have been prevented if they just let would of let her go home and sleep it off)

In the jail, still pissed and drunk, the ask her about hurting herself. Now, unless her answer is on tape, we'll never know what she said. But at any rate, the jailers broke policy in strip searching her with males present. Its questionable too if forcefully removing her clothes like that is necessary.

I don't care so much about the screaming and crying because I've seen alot of people do it for alot less.

My problems with the case are:

1. I think in todays society we run to arrest everyone for something little. DC is for the most part a BS charge. She's drunk, you took away something that means alot to her. Give it back, get the details of the assault, and let her go home and sleep it off. If she doesn't have any priors, why create one for her? It's called community relations, something sorely lacking in todays police force. Hell, when I was younger, if you were a decent person, the cops would let you go, drive you home, call your friends, etc. Not anymore as the older guys are retiring and we have a new "breed" of LEO's.
2. Why were males present? There gonna get burned on that.

3. Why leave her in a cell naked? Thats flat our degrading

4. What was the deal with the vest they made here where? Give the lady a pair of scrubs or something.

5. Why no medical treatment?


It would be interesting to see the whole tape. I'm not saying she's perfect, but I really don't think she deserved what they did too her.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4017 times:



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.

It doesn't but it does account for part of the mindset she may have had. Also as I pointed out the sheriff's dept has not said much and you can bet if she did have a record they would have mentioned it. And finally your experience has no bearing on this issue. They are two separate situations.

Tug



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4013 times:



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 13):
Here is a story for you. We responded to a medical turned assault over the weekend. A women had beat another woman seriously with a lamp and she was bleeding heavily. We arrested the first woman for 2nd degree assault and took the victim to the hospital. I turns out the victim had several felony warrants and was wanted for assault herself. Not all victims are just "victims" so please tell me why her being the victim in this incident automatically excludes her from a thorough investigation.

How would you know the victim had warrants out on her unless you actively checked? What about her being a victim makes her subject to a thorough investigation?

By having a policy of checking all victims (and perhaps witnesses) of crime for warrants, you discourage people from calling police. Whether or not that's right or wrong, that's reality.


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4002 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):
The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)

I saw a news report of the incident. Her sister had passed away some time ago and she kept her sister's ID as a keepsake in her purse and it was accidentally given to the officer. She then realized she gave the wrong ID and tried to give the officer her actual ID but the officers didn't want it.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

I hate to turn this political, but John Edwards' Health Care plan called for mandatory Preventive Care for every citizen, as in you have to go to the doctor. I wonder if the above would turn common place under an Edwards administration for those who refuse to go.


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User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

She sounds like a drunken pill whore. *shrug* No biggie.

Oh, wait.... because this happened to a white woman it's: Egads! The horror! Sue them! OMG, how could this happen?!?

They should have just waterboarded her, and told the media she was suspected of terrorism. It works for Bush / CIA.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3903 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 17):
I saw a news report of the incident. Her sister had passed away some time ago and she kept her sister's ID as a keepsake in her purse and it was accidentally given to the officer. She then realized she gave the wrong ID and tried to give the officer her actual ID but the officers didn't want it.

That sounds too reasonable to be true. Obviously the drunk woman gave the cop the wrong ID as part of some sinister drunken plot or as a challenge to the cop's authoritah.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):
Ever heard of a straight jacket? Or you could just restrain her with ankle and wrist cuffs till she calms down. There was no reason not to do something like this.

Nah. Just offer the drunk a dose of zaleplon, midazolam, etc. and a night in a comfortable (seriously) drunk tank. No charges and you're free to go when you wake up and can pass a field sobriety test. Easier for the cops and more fun for the drunk (except when they die; which would be quite rare). Plus, and cops will love this, the drug will make people forget what happened.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3896 times:



Quoting DC10extender (Reply 11):

Well aren't we the authority. She doesn't deserve a cent

What in the world are you talking about? They left her buck naked in a cold cell for 6 hours, in full view of everyone. There were men strip searching her, in complete contravention of department policy. She was also completely denied medical treatment for the assault she was the victim of and led to this 911 call in the first place. She shouldn't have even been arrested, let alone subjected to this horrific treatment.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 4):

The lady gave a false ID to the responding cops (her dead sisters)

Bollocks and you absolutely insult the memory of this woman's sister with the comment.



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User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3891 times:



Quoting Analog (Reply 20):
Obviously the drunk woman gave the cop the wrong ID as part of some sinister drunken plot or as a challenge to the cop's authoritah.

Agreed. Why would you carry your dead sister's ID of all things? A picture? Sure. But her ID, in your own wallet? Nope.

Send her to Gitmo, I say.


User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

The only fault I see on the part of the police force is that they used male officers to remove her clothing.

They took it away for her safety. Its a common practice. A colleague of mine told me the other day of a similar occurence at a force that he works for where a similar incident happened. A female was stripped of her clothing for fear that she may use it to commit suicide.

As mentioned before, the stink would have been far greater if they didn't remove her clothing and found her dead 6 hours later.

Its also interesting how the husband speaks so matter of factly. I didn't see him in any of the videos.

-Mark



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting EmiratesA345 (Reply 23):
They took it away for her safety. Its a common practice. A colleague of mine told me the other day of a similar occurence at a force that he works for where a similar incident happened. A female was stripped of her clothing for fear that she may use it to commit suicide.

I was not aware that people on suicide watch are kept naked. Generally they are not. Also doing a strip search for clothing is like... oh man... the choices. Bad analogy overload.

Well, lookie here, we found us some contraband clothing on this here female. Done concealed it beneath her clothes.


25 EvilForce : The overacting and un-needed hysterics of this woman remind me of this hysteric, similarly figured, woman:
26 AirCop : Even in Sheriff Joe's jail if detention officers need to take one's clothing for evidence, or whatever they are given a paper type outfit to wear. Hav
27 Superfly : Very true. Regardless, these bastard cops deserve to be locked up and a$$-raped by the most hardend imates. This is truly sick and this happens more
28 Airfoilsguy : Spare me the melodrama. How many people do you know that carry the state issued ID of a dead relative on them?
29 Superfly : Spare us the non-sense. Under what conditions should a human being be treated as such? The cops deserve to have their balls chopped off and shoved do
30 NZ747 : Not like that that's for sure. I'm glad your not a cop. So not one single person does do they, how naive could you be? I hope the cops get dishonorab
31 Superfly : That would be too lenient in my opinion. They need to spend some time behind bars.
32 RacingGreen07 : You have to understand that people grive death in different ways. They keep mementos, objects and in this case ID cards. It's a way of dealing with d
33 Airfoilsguy : You people are SO sheltered. You feel sorry for the women just because she was screeching and the media made a big deal out of it. Well I have news f
34 Superfly : ...and that is a MAJOR problem! I hope this video draws attention to this problem so no one ever has to endure that sort of violation. She was alread
35 NZ747 : Of course mate, at the very least! Perhaps then while behind bars they'll know what it's like for a group of guys to hold them down against their wil
36 Post contains images Superfly :
37 Farcry : Is it standard procedure in the USA for the police to video all strip searches? If so, why was it neccessary to spend so much time taping the woman in
38 Superfly : Not at all. Of course they do and it's is a sick mentality. Glad those members aren't cops. Sadly there are still too many like minds that are cops a
39 Airfoilsguy : Really? and how do you know this?
40 Analog : I carry one of my wife's expired US gov't issued IDs in my passport holder (basically a big wallet). Does that mean I'm carrying false ID? I carry it
41 Airfoilsguy : If an agent of the law asks you for your ID and you hand over hers it does.
42 Analog : If I do it by accident I'm still guilty of a crime, even though there is obviously no intent to deceive (oddly enough she looks nothing like me)? Tha
43 Airfoilsguy : If there is no intent then there is no crime. As for the video, we are only hearing one side of the story When the whole thing comes out in court I w
44 N1120A : I have known plenty of people who carry various mementos of dead relatives with them, including old IDs. It makes a good pocket sized picture. No, I
45 Slider : Non sequitur... I agree- it's a catch-all way of keeping the revenue train rolling and satisfying cop egos. Amen! Good question. Cue the crickets fro
46 Analog : If only that were true. When it comes to "minor" laws (traffic violations and the like) some cops seem to think they are, and should be, above the la
47 Itsjustme : Just a couple of observations. First, it is a crime in some states to possess the valid, state issued ID of someone other than yourself. Whether or no
48 Analog : If the person is dead the ID is no longer valid (right?). What does possess mean? Does it mean that I cannot deliver Mrs. Analog's wallet to her plac
49 N1120A : In what instance? There are strict liability crimes.
50 Airfoilsguy : 4507.30 Prohibitions. No person shall do any of the following: (A) Display, or cause or permit to be displayed, or possess any identification card, d
51 Itsjustme : It would depend on how the law is written. It could define "Valid" as not being expired (the ID, not the person). Again, it would depend on the how t
52 57AZ : Presenting a false ID or ID belonging to another person is generally a criminal offense (depending on jurisdiction). Technically the ID card is the p
53 Jalto27R : If this dead sister's ID meant so much to her, how couldn't she tell she was handing the officer the wrong one? Was it in the same spot as her actual
54 WildcatYXU : Well, well, well, I have to laugh. Of course not on what happened to the poor lady, because it's just disgusting, but on the fact that technology (vid
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