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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

I certainly have gotten used to living in smoke-free California. Spending last week in Vegas was of course a good time, but damnit I forgot about all the cigarette smoke. I'm just a bit too young, but I can't even imagine being on a plane with passengers smoking. I don't want this to turn into World War III, but what are your opinions on public smoking bans?

I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

I was one as well. Working landscape construction it kind of came with the territory. I quit last June 12th, but here in Ontario it's been banned in cities all over the province within the last 3 years. I think the ban is good, everyone knows it's bad for you, and if your willing to take that risk you can take it outside.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Same here. I work for Pima County as a deputy clerk and it is nice to be able to breathe good air. County owned buildings have been smoke free for years-administrative order makes it illegal to smoke anywhere other than designated smoke areas-none of which are inside. Smokers may not smoke within 25 feet of doors and 10 feet of windows or vents. With the new state law, smoking is banned in all workplaces, restaurants or other public places as week.

There is also a movement afoot in the state to make it illegal to smoke in a car with a child too.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3065 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

In restaurants I understand it and I don't complain, but banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health. Personally, I think it should be up to the owner of the bar whether or not smoking is allowed inside; if it is allowed, then a sign on the door stating that smoking is allowed inside seems like a fair warning for those who'd prefer not to be around cigarette (or cigar) smoke.

I also miss smoking rooms in airports within secure areas. A good fan venting the smoke to the outside keeps the smoke from reaching the public areas, and a cigarette or two can certainly help nervous flyers deal with the stress of air travel.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Smoking bans have their places, but I find that the problem is non-smokers always have to follow smokers around and complain about the smoke. For example, most public buildings here have designated smoking areas outside of the building, usually off in a corner somewheres. Non-smokers have so much room around the area, but they seem to think that they have to walk through that area to and bitch and complain about it.

I have no problem with smoking bans for public buildings and such, but I do believe that they should at least still offer smoking rooms past security in airports. Like it or not, it is an addiction and some people can get rather agitated if they don't have their fix.

BC wants to place a smoking ban for cars with kids by 2010. Personally, I'm still undecided on that.

Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...  Wink



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3065 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2107 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Non-smokers have so much room around the area, but they seem to think that they have to walk through that area to and bitch and complain about it.

In my experience the non-smokers aren't bothered much, it's the EX-smokers that are the zealots.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Interestingly, while the Government is placing all these new bans and such, I don't see why they just don't make tobacco products illegal, oh wait, that's right, they make millions of dollars every year in taxes ...  Wink

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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6751 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Before I smoked, I didn't like people's ciggie smoke blowing in my face, so after I started smoking, I don't like my smoke ending up in someone's face... A lot of smokers forget that there are people who don't smoke... and by not caring, hey, we got smoking bans !!!!!

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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2792 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Smoking bans are good, especially in restaurants. I hate sitting there waiting for a great dinner but having it ruined by smoke everywhere, especially since second hand smoking kills! I hope they never allow smoking on airlines, as that would be disastrous.

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

love it, I don't have to come home and shower so I can rid myself of the stench of other peoples smoke, recently, I was in Innsbruck with a friend and we ventured to an Irish pub, I left after 1hr because I was literally choking from the filthy smoke smell...doesn't do much asthma much good either.


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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2074 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 8):
I don't have to come home and shower so I can rid myself of the stench of other peoples smoke

Yeah this is the most noticeable thing about the smoking ban. It's great; if I've had a night out, I always feel much worse for wear if I've been in a smoky place anyway.

The only thing is that it shows up when pubs and bars aren't clean, as there's nothing to mask the smell... well, in my opinion, great! They should get their act together and clean the place up!



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Hi,

Back when I smoked going to Las Vegas from California was like heaven for a few days but I guess not smoking now I can't really mind a smoking ban in public.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
I also miss smoking rooms in airports within secure areas.

If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!  Smile

P.


User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Canada now has a smoke free work place, its hard to enforce but its law now. So if you are even driving a truck its considered a work place and thus you can not smoke....okay well thats a tuff one to enforce because how are you going to police that system?


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2022 times:



Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I was in one of those rooms at ZRH a couple of weeks ago...the smoke in there was so bad that I only smoked half a cigarette before I stubbed it out and went outside for some fresher air!

And don't get me started on the landside smoking room of the domestic terminal at IST...just horrible...and this is coming from a smoker!!

I have to say that the UK smoking ban is not as bad as I thought it would be. Personally I find that if I know I can't legally smoke somewhere, it doesn't bother me that I can't smoke. The only time I get a bit annoyed is when I have to go outside a pub for a quick smoke. It's not so much the act of going outside that bothers me, but more the feeling of guilt at leaving whoever I'm drinking with alone for five minutes should they happen to be a non smoker (assuming there's only the two of us in the party)!!

Nowadays it seems like a bit of a luxury should I find myself in a part of the world where smoking rules are more relaxed and I can light up in a bar or restaurant - I then tend to make the most of it!



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2048 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

In restaurants, smoking bans should be a given. Same in public spaces that citizens can't avoid; airports, airplanes, trains, public buildings, stations etc.

I'm not sure about pubs and bars though. Seeing that I'm a non-smoker and intensely bothered by smokers around me, I probably lack the impartiality to decide whether it infringes personal freedom too much or not.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

I am a smoker myself but I am definitely for smoking bans in restaurants, I find it disgusting when I am eating and someone right next to me is smoking. I have no problems with smoking bans in bars, the big advantage is that you can wear your clothes on the next day because they didn't smell like an ashtray.

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

You are right, there is another one sponsored by Winston. I like these smoking zones at Zurich airport, they are pretty good for a quick cigarette when changing planes there.

Patrick


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

A good measure... tobacco should be outlawed, period.

It has zero benefits and is a staggering cost to all of us as taxpayers.



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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
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I believe smoking should be banned completely. I hate it so much. The smell is awful and inhaling someone else's smoke is worse than inhaling your own. My stepmother smokes and I hate it. It gets into my clothes and its so embarrassing going into school and smelling like that. I understand that its a hard habit to break but we need to put an end to all of this. Well thats my two cents.
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User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

When I was a kid, I hated smokers. But now, sadly, I became a smoker...

I think it is personal preference. Although I smoke, I don't like to give out second hand smoke, so I have no problem banning smoking in restaurants, planes, etc compacted public space. And when I do smoke at home, I smoke in the backyard and make sure the fume doesn't enter the house. It's such a hassle, but it's necessary. Big grin

BUT, I think, especially if a bar really wants to attract customers, they should probably have one of those out door patio smoking area for their smoker patrons.

Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I certainly have gotten used to living in smoke-free California.

SAN, do you live in San Diego? Cus San Francisco, Sacramento areas have plenty of smokers. Especially when you walk up and down Market in SF, you'll see plenty of businessmen / businesswomen taking a cigarette break.  tongue 


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1952 times:



Quoting AC777LR (Reply 11):
Canada now has a smoke free work place, its hard to enforce but its law now. So if you are even driving a truck its considered a work place and thus you can not smoke....okay well thats a tuff one to enforce because how are you going to police that system?

It depends on who owns the truck. Most trucks are owned by the operator (driver), so if they want to smoke in it, there is no law saying otherwise. If the truck is owned by the company, then they may be able to enforce a no smoking ban/policy. But I agree, how do you enforce it?

The same question goes for the new proposed ban of smoking with children in the car. The only way they can enforce this is by total fluke catching someone in the act.



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

I used to smoke but even when I did I still got annoyed by smokers mainly having to walk through a crowd of smokers to get into work (who puts their smoking area by the building's main entrance??) and always having to shower and wash my clothes after going to the pub. I much prefer the pubs and bars now, especially as I don't have people waving cigarettes in my face and giving me temptation.

Plus I was at the doctors recently and found out just how much damage I managed to avoid by quitting smoking.


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1928 times:



Quoting SAN787 (Thread starter):
I am a lifelong non-smoker, and believe ALL restaurants, bars, sports venues, academic residence halls, office buildings, airports, etc. should be smoke-free. The biggest one that kills me is parents smoking with their kids in the car.

One other law that needs to be enforced: If you smoke, throw your butts in the trash (or other proper receptacle), do not chuck them onto the ground. Smoking is banned in most public places around here (the gaming area of the Indian casinos being a notable exception) but when people step outside to smoke, their residue piles up.



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User currently offlineSAN787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1920 times:



Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 17):
SAN, do you live in San Diego? Cus San Francisco, Sacramento areas have plenty of smokers. Especially when you walk up and down Market in SF, you'll see plenty of businessmen / businesswomen taking a cigarette break

I do live downtown San Diego. Generally speaking, San Diego is a health conscious city and from my observation, very few locals smoke. I joke with some friends...where there's a cigarette, there's a camera (tourists).  idea 

best of all is being in a bar and someone pulls out their pack of cigarettes...

I do have mixed feelings regarding smoking bans in outdoor (rooftop) bars in San Diego.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 20):
One other law that needs to be enforced: If you smoke, throw your butts in the trash (or other proper receptacle), do not chuck them onto the ground

Cheers to that!



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Hi,

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 12):
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I was in one of those rooms at ZRH a couple of weeks ago...the smoke in there was so bad that I only smoked half a cigarette before I stubbed it out and went outside for some fresher air!

I don't believe it in Zurich. Are you sure you weren't in the employees smoking lounge?  Wink  duck 

P.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

As a smoker, I agree with the idea of banning smoking in public buildings and restaurants and in most bars but I just think it's gone too far.

Quoting TSS (Reply 3):
In restaurants I understand it and I don't complain, but banning smoking in bars just seems stupid to me. No-one goes to a bar for their health. Personally, I think it should be up to the owner of the bar whether or not smoking is allowed inside; if it is allowed, then a sign on the door stating that smoking is allowed inside seems like a fair warning for those who'd prefer not to be around cigarette (or cigar) smoke.

Agreed, even limit it to, say 5% or 10% of the bars in town and enforce ventilation standards. I don't understand why some insist on the right to go every bar in town and have it just the way they want it. I've lived in Edinburgh for over 13 years and probably haven't managed to visit even 10% of the bars. It's a Work in Progress, though  Smile

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 10):
If you get the chance Zurich airport has a few really nice expensive-looking ones - I think sponsered by Camel!

I visit Geneva a lot and they seem to have gone no-smoking. My last few flights were via "Little France" and I didn't spot any smoking areas beyond security there.  Sad


User currently offlineSuper737 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

I myself think it takes away the characteristics of bars but i'am not complaining about restaurants though  Cool


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25 IH8BY : That could go both ways. I suppose one might ask why smokers should insist on going to bars and choosing to smoke, when other people - including staf
26 Post contains images David L : I'm not suggesting smokers should be able to go into any bar and smoke, just 5% to 10% of them, and those bars would be clearly marked. And yet there
27 BAViscount : LOL...if only!! Walking into that room was like walking into a foggy day in ye olde London Towne...! Even a group of F/A's, who were after a quick fa
28 Pyrex : People don't go to bars to have their clothes smell like ashtrays when they get home either. Correct. Smokers for some reason believe they are above
29 TEBguy : Your right... the customers are not going there for their health, but... you've still completely missed the point. The employees of that establishmen
30 Xpat : The two places where I think there should be provisions made for smokers are bars and airports. It's annoying when you have to leave your drink at the
31 Post contains links Surfpunk : Wow. The willingness of many of you to strip away the rights of others, just because you disapprove of their (legal) actions, speaks volumes. Now, for
32 FlyDeltaJets87 : I think they're great. It's one of the few reasons I look forward to getting out of North Carolina and going to Florida for college, since Florida is
33 Access-Air : I dont smoke and I think the total smoking bans are very insane.....I even have asthma and I think that its just one more step closer to the Govt. try
34 Misbeehavin : I smoke, but I hate second hand. Even though you can still smoke in bars etc here in Georgia, I still choose to step outside. So yea, I'm all for a sm
35 Post contains links Surfpunk : You note the difference though, between your restaurant implementing the change of their own accord, and having that change imposed upon it by the st
36 FlyDeltaJets87 : Most major airports have designated areas. I've yet to see one without one and all you hear along with the security announcements are "there is no sm
37 Surfpunk : But what about the rights of the business owner to either allow or disallow smoking in his/her establishment? You have the option of going to a resta
38 Dougloid : There's a commercial running here with some dopey retard broad who works as a barmaid saying "Jeez, they should ban smoking in bars, I need this job a
39 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : So you would make the argument that smoking should be allowed on all flights operating within or to and from the US? Afterall, the airlines are a bus
40 Misbeehavin : Haha! O yea, total crack dens... disgusting. But thank God for them! Well, many still do, but most don't. And especially in Europe now - what's up wi
41 N1120A : It sucked and I think 99.9% of people are happy it doesn't happen anymore. The difference is that by drinking, you are poisoning yourself and no one
42 N1120A : Can't edit my post for some reason and I forgot to answer this one. The tax thing is just one of many reasons we should legalized marijuana.
43 Surfpunk : Could you possibly come up with a more ridiculous straw man?
44 N1120A : The point behind this, unless you still believe the lies of Big Tobacco, is that secondhand smoke kills people and that people don't have a "right" t
45 Kmh1956 : Oh yeah, because the bans on other drugs have worked so well...... Logan Airport.....you have to go outside...not easy when you're in one of the sate
46 Post contains images Ajd1992 : I'm very anti smoking, purely for the fact smoking has killed 2 members of my family in the last 9 years. The smell makes me physically heave as well,
47 Surfpunk : First of all, I'd love for you to point out a single, medically-confirmed case of someone dying because of second-hand smoke (does it say that on the
48 LTBEWR : One of the critical reasons for smoking bans is to protect people who workplaces had heavy smoking, like with flight attendants on aircraft, or waiter
49 Post contains links N1120A : http://www.salsaweb.com/articles/ray_barretto_dies.htm Actually, no. Murder is defined as the intentional, knowing or RECKLESS act that causes the de
50 Post contains images ACDC8 : Actually, I was being sarcastic ... What are the other reasons ......
51 ME AVN FAN : - I just both yesterday evening and this morning had to realize how many people not only smoke but in fact go into pubs and cafes and restaurants TO
52 N1120A : Violent crime involving illegal smuggling would all but vanish.
53 Captaink : I thought that smoking was banned in public buildings here in Mexico effective January 1st, but I just got back last week, and I seems that nothing ha
54 Kmh1956 : For that same reason, would you also legalize cocaine and heroin?
55 Molykote : Smoking is one of the things that I truly hate. I'd have no (personal) problem outlawing the practice in public places (or an area like a motor vehicl
56 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : They also generally just look like slobs. Ratty, untucked t-shirts. Jeans with 8,000 holes in them. Their hair is usually a mess and their beards (fo
57 N1120A : Not legalize, but EU style decriminalization would work well.
58 Post contains images Kmh1956 : Good grief, generalize much? Just what we need...decriminalized cocaine, heroine and crack use......
59 FlyDeltaJets87 : I admitted it in the second half of what you quoted: I'm just saying Kmh it didn't take long before I could spot people coming through the door and k
60 Toast : I loathe cigarette smoke. I loathe bans and prohibition in general. Hard to decide which I hate more. Let's say I'm happy I don't have to come in cont
61 N1120A : Think of the balance of the need to be employed at a living wage and the likelihood that smoking will be allowed in a place that allows someone with
62 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Leave it up to the owners of the buildings and establishments. Even if the outlawing of growing tobacco happened, there would still be a market (alth
63 N1120A : And where do you draw that line? Ha. There was a huge market for alcohol when it was constitutionally prohibited in the US.
64 Allstarflyer : The line about which I'm wondering is what people should be allowed (or not) to do is out in the open/outdoors. Like said, it's just my opinion - I h
65 N1120A : I personally think the stance taken by the California-wide ban, which allows smoking outdoors, is the right one to take. I think that bans like the o
66 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Because one has the right to work in as healthy of an environment as possible. Like I said, I kept going back to the restauant where I worked during
67 ACDC8 : Sorry, I was thinking of some other reasons .... lol!
68 Post contains images FXramper : Never had a drag off a cig - that said, I'm a fan of the smoking bans.
69 Allstarflyer : Not that I can remember, but, then, I haven't known anyone close to me who developed a habit of hard drinking/wild,drunken behavior. Everyone else ex
70 767Lover : Yet I don't think a smoking driver has ever killed anyone.
71 N1120A : And we have laws against that too.
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