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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2260 times:
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Just Words.......? Hrrmmmmm, sounds somewhat similar to Deval Patrick.


I apologise if this has been posted before, it's not mean't to be plagiarism


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

And your point is?

Looks like another pathetic attempt by conservatives here on Anet to discredit Senator Obama. For the record, Senator Obama and Governor Patrick are friends and political allies. They have both used each others speeches in campaigns before, and both have paraphrased Dr. Martin Luther King before. This is common practice with candidates from both parties. What exactly is your problem with this Jack?
Apparently, Governor Patrick has no problem with Senator Obama's speech.
The Obama campaign has issued a statement from Gov. Patrick: “Sen. Obama and I are long-time friends and allies. We often share ideas about politics, policy and language. The argument in question, on the value of words in the public square, is one about which he and I have spoken frequently before. Given the recent attacks from Sen. Clinton, I applaud him responding in just the way he did.” Quoted from ABC News.
If this is the worst dirt you can dig up on Obama, I feel really sorry for you and the other conservatives. You are in for a long 8 years.

HALFA



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

We don't need to dig up any dirt. Educated voters know what Obama wants for this country. He wants to destroy capitiism and put socialism in it's place. Which is no surprise, Hillary wants the same thing. I wouldn't be so sure about those 8 years just yet. Plenty of people in this country don't want a president who will attack the private sector because he feels they make too much money or tax us to death. Just remember sooner or later good ol Obama will actually have to debate with facts and not just rhetoric.

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2186 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Educated voters know what Obama wants for this country.

Absolutely right, and that's why he leads John McCain in almost every major poll. Educated voters also know what a McCain White House would look like. 100 more years in Iraq. No thank you.

HALFA



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
And your point is?

The point is, that many people are basing their reason for voting for Obama based on his "inspiring words", which is looking like they aren't his. Just a thought.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
Looks like another pathetic attempt by conservatives here on Anet to discredit Senator Obama. For the record,

Oh give me a break. If this was John McCain, you would be all over this like white on rice.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
What exactly is your problem with this Jack?

My problem is, that when someone is winning on a words-only campaign which looks like it was lifted directly from a speech by a governor in his campaign speech. The flamed Joe Biden for plagairism, why is Obama exempt? What is your passiveness for this. Plagiarism, in case your unaware, is illegal. If Obama gave credit to Gov Patrick, than I wouldn't look at this as lifting these words from the speech. Of course Gov Patrick isn't going to derail the campaign of the man he's endorsing when he's flaming Hillary.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
Absolutely right, and that's why he leads John McCain in almost every major poll.

Becuase people have yet to get an explanation of his platform yet. When he has to actually explain his position and his proposals, his poll numbers are going to nosedive. But that ok, i'm sure there's a portion of the Gettysburg Address he can snipe as his own.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
Absolutely right, and that's why he leads John McCain in almost every major poll. Educated voters also know what a McCain White House would look like. 100 more years in Iraq. No thank you.

Yea Kerry was ahead in the polls too. Wait for the night that counts. The polls show it pretty close and I wouldn't count on another "we need to get out of Iraq" soapbox. McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
The point is, that many people are basing their reason for voting for Obama based on his "inspiring words", which is looking like they aren't his. Just a thought.

Pretty accurate, Obama's campaign has been run beautifully. Once they saw the hatred for Hillary after what happened they got him talking and got him saying transparent things that inspire people by promising them everything and not having to tell them how.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
My problem is, that when someone is winning on a words-only campaign which looks like it was lifted directly from a speech by a governor in his campaign speech. The flamed Joe Biden for plagairism, why is Obama exempt

Cause the left wing press and codepink and moveon.org have coronated him as the Dem nominee. Wait to you see the DNC convention. The press is already saying if Obama loses that it will only be if it's stolen from him.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2133 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Wrong. See video below:



As for the topic at hand, yet another pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama. Disagree with his issues, that's fine. Taking something like this video and passing it off as something to oppose Sen Obama for, that's just another non-issue. Don't tell me you don't know where he stands on issues either, because if you say that, you haven't been studying Sen. Obama's stances very closely.

Dave



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2115 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
As for the topic at hand, yet another pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama. Disagree with his issues, that's fine. Taking something like this video and passing it off as something to oppose Sen Obama for, that's just another non-issue

Typical, I find it funny how on one hand you can say you are inspired my Obama's words yet can discount the fact these certain ones are not his. Clearly it shows the use of propaganda and how the DNC will do anything to win.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
Don't tell me you don't know where he stands on issues either, because if you say that, you haven't been studying Sen. Obama's stances very closely.

Oh I know exactly where he stands on the issues, it is why he scares me to death and I haven't jumped on the bandwagon.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
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Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
As for the topic at hand, yet another pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama.

It isn't. You reaction is, just another attempt of concealing this guys negativities(which is his vagueness when it comes to DETAILS). He's a public figure and subject to scrutiny. Just like you have every right to criticize Bush, Reagan or any other Republican.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
Disagree with his issues, that's fine.

Which I do. I don't like his universal heathcare, his proposal to downsize the military, his social stance on the economy and his foriegn policy stance. There are a few minor things I agre with Obama on, but when I say minor, I mean miniscule.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
Taking something like this video and passing it off as something to oppose Sen Obama for, that's just another non-issue.

It is totally relevant. As a public figure, he is subject to being put under the microscope. You regard anything that paints an unflattering picture of Senator Obama as an attack is silly and makes you look like a crybaby.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
Don't tell me you don't know where he stands on issues either, because if you say that, you haven't been studying Sen. Obama's stances very closely.

I do know where he stands. I've done my research on him and I don't like his platform. He is vague, evasive, and secretive. He has many big ideas, but no discription on how to pay or implement these big plans. You sound like a paid-campaign rep for this guy. Are you on his payroll? Have you been to Camp Obama?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11012254

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
Wrong. See video below:

McCain readily admits he has no plan to make public a timetable. He doesn't want to appeal to the anti-war left. So, not exactly a bombshell



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User currently offlineN521NA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

So McCain and Clinton can use "Fired up and ready to go," but when Obama uses Deval Patrick's words its a huge issue?

User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2091 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Typical, I find it funny how on one hand you can say you are inspired my Obama's words yet can discount the fact these certain ones are not his. Clearly it shows the use of propaganda and how the DNC will do anything to win.

I find it typical that you would rally around this pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama. That's okay though, whatever floats your boat. I never discounted that he might have been inspired by other's words, it's not unusual for someone to do so. If he would have quoted Mr. Patrick's speech line for line, then maybe your point would be more clearer. Alas, Sen. Obama didn't do that, and your point is clouded with disillusionment.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
It isn't. You reaction is, just another attempt of concealing this guys negativities(which is his vagueness when it comes to DETAILS). He's a public figure and subject to scrutiny. Just like you have every right to criticize Bush, Reagan or any other Republican.

Of course it is. It's really a non-issue. My reaction is a logical one; I viewed the video, didn't see your point, and challenged you on it, period. I never said you didn't have the right to criticize Sen. Obama, I would just think the criticism would be over something more then this nonsensical subject.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):


Which I do. I don't like his universal heathcare, his proposal to downsize the military, his social stance on the economy and his foriegn policy stance. There are a few minor things I agre with Obama on, but when I say minor, I mean miniscule.

And I accept that. If you'd started a thread about one of those topics that would be legitimate criticism. This video is nothing more then a smear attempt, and that's all I see it as.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
It is totally relevant. As a public figure, he is subject to being put under the microscope. You regard anything that paints an unflattering picture of Senator Obama as an attack is silly and makes you look like a crybaby.

 laughing  I'm the crybaby? Who started this tread again? Again, I welcome open criticism, but when it's something as belittling as this, I find it downright pointless.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
McCain readily admits he has no plan to make public a timetable. He doesn't want to appeal to the anti-war left. So, not exactly a bombshell

I posted that video in response to Nick's assertion:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Which he conveniently skipped over on his reply to me.

Dave



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2074 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
The point is, that many people are basing their reason for voting for Obama based on his "inspiring words",


And many others are voting for Obama based on his stance on important issues facing our nation, not to mention that he is intelligent, articulate, and wont be an embarrassment on the world stage unlike our current leader.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 4):
Oh give me a break. If this was John McCain, you would be all over this like white on rice.

No Jack, I wouldn't. I have better things to do with my time. This is a non issue.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
When he has to actually explain his position and his proposals, his poll numbers are going to nosedive

That's what you think. I can't wait until the McCain/Obama debates.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Could you please explain the video clip that Dave posted?

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 7):
As for the topic at hand, yet another pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama. Disagree with his issues, that's fine. Taking something like this video and passing it off as something to oppose Sen Obama for, that's just another non-issue.

Absolutely.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
I'm the crybaby? Who started this tread again? Again, I welcome open criticism, but when it's something as belittling as this, I find it downright pointless.

Again, I'm in total agreement, but what's a conservative to do? They are unhappy with THEIR choice of Republican nominee, so they are relegated to grasping at straws to find anything they can to discredit Senator Obama , even non-issues. Their desperation is showing and it will only get worse before November comes along.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
I posted that video in response to Nick's assertion:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Which he conveniently skipped over on his reply to me.

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

All of Obama's stances on issues are explained on his website, and on more than one news site. Why don't you guys try reading instead of smearing him?

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2046 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
I find it typical that you would rally around this pathetic attempt to smear Sen. Obama. That's okay though, whatever floats your boat. I never discounted that he might have been inspired by other's words, it's not unusual for someone to do so. If he would have quoted Mr. Patrick's speech line for line, then maybe your point would be more clearer. Alas, Sen. Obama didn't do that, and your point is clouded with disillusionment.

I am not rallying around anything. Why is it when someone points out your saviors shortcomings it has to be a smear? You the one who is dillusional since you idolize this guy yet can't see throught the smoke screen that comes out of his mouth.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):

Which he conveniently skipped over on his reply to me.

McCain made reference to the fact we still occupy many countries after we had war there. Doesn't mean wre are going to have the same # of troops there forever. What it means is he is going to continue to stabilize the country and not cut and run and make Al Qaida stronger. When Iraq can function and have a democracy and are able to fight AL Qaida we will leave.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
Again, I'm in total agreement, but what's a conservative to do? They are unhappy with THEIR choice of Republican nominee, so they are relegated to grasping at straws to find anything they can to discredit Senator Obama , even non-issues. Their desperation is showing and it will only get worse before November comes along.

LOLOL, this made me fall from my chair. We don't have to grasp at straws and contrary to what you hear on talk radio and CNN the Rep party is not in turmoil. You are the ones that have been grasping at straws for the last 8 years because you have pinned the hopes of your party by bashing the other. Your plan for the country both domestic and abroard is scary and downright dangerous and now your reduced to a snake oil salesman who can wow a crowd yet has no substance. Who tells us how he will solve the problems in the middle east by calling up all the leaders for a pow wow and how he can help the poor by hurting the percentage of the population who goes out and earns a good living, me I like Capilism and hard work. Not socialism and dreams.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2038 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
We don't have to grasp at straws and contrary to what you hear on talk radio and CNN the Rep party is not in turmoil.

I don't listen to talk radio, but I do get my news from several sources and it's clear, the republican party is not united behind John McCain. Last I checked, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and the list goes on, have all gone on record as saying they do NOT support McCain and are still uncommitted to vote for him. Mitt Romney has blasted McCain on everything from economics to immigration and now we are supposed to believe that they are all one big happy Republican family? Yah sure.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You are the ones that have been grasping at straws for the last 8 years because you have pinned the hopes of your party by bashing the other.

For the last 8 years, the Democrats have had lots of things to bash the Republicans over.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Your plan for the country both domestic and abroard is scary and downright dangerous

Are you serious? What's more dangerous for Americans than having a president (GWB) that illegally invades a sovereign nation based on misinformation and lies, a nation that posed no threat to America, an act that has killed thousands of our American heroes, and all for what? Are we now safer? Hell no. And McCain wants to continue the status quo there now, ignoring the will of the majority of Americans that want our troops home NOW, and not 100 YEARS from now. I would say that is far more dangerous for America than anything Senator Obama has proposed.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
me I like Capilism and hard work. Not socialism and dreams.

Me, I like my tax dollars going to help Americans and to help repair our infrastructure and not going overseas to bomb other countries so that we can spend billions upon billions of OUR tax dollars to then go and repair the damage that we've caused. We could have rebuilt New Orleans 10 fold with the money we have waisted destroying and rebuilding Iraq.

Our country is in desperate need of a new direction and I believe Senator Obama provides us one.

HALFA



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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2027 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
I am not rallying around anything.

Of course you are. You saw an opportunity to bash your political enemy, and you took it.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Why is it when someone points out your saviors shortcomings it has to be a smear? You the one who is dillusional since you idolize this guy yet can't see throught the smoke screen that comes out of his mouth.

Savior? Cute, real cute. Anyway you can hardly call this video a "shortcoming." There is no smoke screen here. Just a failed attempt to belittle Sen. Obama.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
McCain made reference to the fact we still occupy many countries after we had war there. Doesn't mean wre are going to have the same # of troops there forever. What it means is he is going to continue to stabilize the country and not cut and run and make Al Qaida stronger. When Iraq can function and have a democracy and are able to fight AL Qaida we will leave.

Nevertheless, you were still wrong when you said:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
McCain doesn't want to be in Iraq for 100 years that is codepink propaganda.

Dave



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User currently offlineKPWM From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

I guess Clinton is using that speech against Obama. (see article) "Mr. Obama dismissed the charge as absurd and desperate." I agree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/politics/19campaign.html?ref=us



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
I can't wait until the McCain/Obama debates.

Me neither. In all of the debates, when he was blindsided by Hillary and Edwards, he stood there with a blank stare looking for things to say. He's been given pass by all the critics since early on, and will no doubt continue. McCain has been totally forthright in his answers about his campaign message, where Obama is filled with rhetoric and talking points. His whole campaign is rests on teleprompters, which makes him sound so appealing. Take the teleprompter away, and replace it index cards, he sounds flustered and confused. This is what will do him in on the debates

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 11):
Who started this tread again? Again, I welcome open criticism, but when it's something as belittling as this, I find it downright pointless.

I started it becuase it broke on MSNBC, one of the liberal media outlets. Furthermore, Senator Joe Biden was forced to resign over his plagiarism. Why did he have to resign? Was it becuase clear-thinking Americans know you can't trust a man when lies straight-faced to the American people. Oh wait, that's right, Clinton did, so it's ok. That's a great lesson to teach your kids

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
And many others are voting for Obama based on his stance on important issues facing our nation, not to mention that he is intelligent, articulate, and wont be an embarrassment on the world stage unlike our current leader.

He is very intelligent and articulate. There are lots of those around, but that's not what makes them qualified to be leaders. Some are good at bamboozling people under the guise that he's "articulate"

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
No Jack, I wouldn't. I have better things to do with my time. This is a non issue.

I think you would, especially now. Maybe you wouldn't start a thread, but you'd chime in though.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
They are unhappy with THEIR choice of Republican nominee,

Not really.True McCain wasn't my first choice, but he is a good candidate, and has alot of pull with congress and the senate. I think he'll do well with most Republicans and sway the independant vote. The more of Obama we see, the more convinced this guy is an empty suit

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 13):
All of Obama's stances on issues are explained on his website, and on more than one news site.

And still, many of his supporters are unable to explain his platform. They throw out talking points(much like Obama) without the slightest bit of real explanations. But that ok, he's "articulate"

Quoting HALFA (Reply 15):
Last I checked, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and the list goes on, have all gone on record as saying they do NOT support McCain and are still uncommitted to vote for him.

That was not the case. Ann Coulter said she would vote for Hillary if McCain was the nominee, but she's loon in herself ,much like most of the liberl wackjobs on the left. Yes it is true that McCain does have some work to do with the conservative base, but that will come over time. The opposing side has never been stacked with some uch ineptitude as with Obama and Clinton. 2 dolts who couldn't work their way out of a out of a tigers ass with cleats on.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 15):
lies,

And you have evidence that they lied? I'd like to see this when you have time.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1956 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
Just Words.......? Hrrmmmmm, sounds somewhat similar to Deval Patrick.

Like you would have even known who Deval Patrick was if it weren't for this article and this attempt by the Clinton camp to discredit Obama.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
We don't need to dig up any dirt. Educated voters know what Obama wants for this country. He wants to destroy capitiism and put socialism in it's place.



Sad part is, you actually believe such utter nonsense, don't you. You REALLY believe it. It shows, again, just how removed from reality you are, and how far to the right you are. It's so idiotic as to be sad.

Amazing, you two have to have HIllary hand you an "issue". Ever think of that? It isn't an issue, and won't amount to a hill of beans, but it shows how low you guys will go.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1946 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
Like you would have even known who Deval Patrick was if it weren't for this article and this attempt by the Clinton camp to discredit Obama.

Another false premonition Falcon. I knew who Deval Patrick was long before this, long before.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
It isn't an issue, and won't amount to a hill of beans, but it shows how low you guys will go.

What is sad Falcon is, the sheer idea that you're willing to give this guy a pass on everything that is ethical. I know an ethical politician is kind of an oxymoron, like an honest lawyer, but he's pubilc figure and viewed as role-model especially in the African-American community. He bills himself as a candidate of change, and he's showing himslef as just another experianced politician, and showing his arrogance, that he's above what he's preaching. He refuse to show his allegiance by placing his hand over his heart when honors are given to the flag, but yet wants to be the President of the United States where it's written in the United States Code:During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
The Time Magazine photo speaks volumes about his character

As a member of the Armed Forces, I find this to capture the pinnacle of modern-day ignorance for the flag. When I go to ball games and people don't stand for the national anthem, or take their hats off, makes me cringe with how little we've come. But I digress, preaching to people who could care less about it. Good for them, but Obama is supposed to be setting an example, and I bet he wishes he could have that moment back.
But you have to realise this Falcon, if you were found to have plagairised a speech, or a thesis in college, you would thrown out off campus, or if you had already graduated, your degree could beforfieted, even if it was marginally evident that you knew about it. I know you'll completely ignore this, but if John McCain was found to have done this, I would be very disappointed and probably wouldn't vote for him, becuase I don't know if I could trust him, or his judgement. That is what is sad. You're a father of 2, maybe 3 children, and think this is ok, or not a big deal is telling. Sorry, it is a big deal. It's a serious character flaw. But he'll always have you as apologist



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1926 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 18):
And you have evidence that they lied? I'd like to see this when you have time.

Since you asked.........


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34930

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040329/scheer

http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/

http://www.impeachbush.tv/args/iraqlies.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/

I'm sure this is all just liberal spin  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1921 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 21):
Since you asked.........

If all this is true, then why hasn't the Democrat congress and Senate brought Bush and Cheney in for a hearing? Can you tell me that? I'll tell you why, becuase they know they CAN'T PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cited articles that are merely OPINIONS, not FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NewsFlash:you don't need to have a law degree to be able to distinguish between the two.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1921 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 20):
What is sad Falcon is, the sheer idea that you're willing to give this guy a pass on everything that is ethical.

 rotfl 

You have the nerve to accuse me of giving a pass on eithics, after your 8 years of blind support to a president who started a war wtihout real justification; who holds prisoners without charge or counsel; who hides everything he does behind a Iron Curtain of paranoia and secrecy? And you complan about a guy who borrows a few lines from a speech.

I think you need to take a long walk off a short plank, dude, because you've lost it.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 20):
I know you'll completely ignore this, but if John McCain was found to have done this, I would be very disappointed and probably wouldn't vote for him

I wouldn't give a rats' ass if he did, because I don't think it's a big deal. Again, I think you have your morality pretty ass backwards, JetJack.

And, again, with that picture of Sen. Obama standing respectfully while the Anthem is being played, shows again how out of touch you are. No one gives a fuck that he doesn't hold his hand over his heart, but you, and a few other right wing zealots, who seemingly demand allegiance only in ways acceptable to you. You compound your pushing one non-issue, with bringing up another. It shows, again, how utterly out of touch with reality you are. I do not hold my hand over my heart when the Anthem is played. I have my either clasped behind me or in front of me, and I sing the anthem. But, again, I'm sure that's not good enough for the patriotism police like yourself.

Find a real issue, then maybe someone will take you seriously.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1919 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 22):
If all this is true, then why hasn't the Democrat congress and Senate brought Bush and Cheney in for a hearing? Can you tell me that? I'll tell you why, becuase they know they CAN'T PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because, unlike the Republicans, they don't see the need to do so, since Bush has 335 days left in office. The truth about these two will come out, and, I'm sure, at the time, you'll be found on here, defending them to the death.

And, no, they can't prove it-not now. That's because this administration hides from the public everything it does, and won't reveal anything that it has done, from the war to energy policy. Again, when the truth comes out, JetJack, you'll be the first one on here defending everything this administration has done.


25 Jetjack74 : Ok Barack. It's nice to meet you.
26 Post contains images Falcon84 : Whatever the heck that means.
27 NWA742 : Very nice sources you have there. -NWA742
28 N521NA : Just Barack and not the rest of sane America?
29 Post contains images Jetjack74 : Many Americans care, those who classify themselves as traditionalists, which incidentally make up a sizable percentage of loyal voters. I have a feel
30 Post contains images N521NA : No, actually, they don't.
31 Jetjack74 : Yes they do
32 RJdxer : Hey, he got one right. It's not conservatives that brought this to the forfront or have any conservatives rallied around any attempt to smear the goo
33 DavestanKSAN : Sources? Stats? Please, enough, yes and no posts without some solid evidence. Dave
34 N521NA : So why is Obama giving Hillary a run for her money in the primary as well as leading McCain in nearly every poll?
35 Post contains images Jetjack74 : We have 9 mos to go until the general election, and this just came to light today. Polls pitting Dem vs GOP at this point are meaningless. McCain was
36 KC135TopBoom : No, it is not Liberal spin, it is outright liberal fabrication, lies, in other words. BTW, that crap about the NIE is BS. The NIE is an ESTIMATE, tha
37 N521NA : I never said Obama is the sure-fire winner. I'm saying that by your logic, if as many Americans cared about Obama not putting his hand on his heart a
38 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Yeah, they do........ Please don't remind me that in a "normal" Presidential election year, we would have just finished in Iowa and New Hampshire. Th
39 Post contains images NIKV69 : What it does show is that this great orator is just business as usual and that his words have not always been his own. Which is not a surprise. He co
40 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Wrong, yet again. What this thread does show is how those who oppose Sen. Obama will rally around anything they can to try and smear Sen. Obama. It's
41 RJdxer : So pointing out what has been pointed out about other candidates in the past, Sens. Bidden and McCain come to mind, is now a smear tactic? Are you sa
42 Falcon84 : If they do it that way, fine. But don't you dare tell me, or anyone in Neveda or AZ tell me for a second that I'm somehow "unpatriotic" because I don
43 Post contains images RJdxer : You tellem Falcon!!!! photo by Sean Rayford We wouldn't want any kind of standards now would we?
44 Santosdumont : Juxtaposing those two pictures is sophomoric at best.
45 RJdxer : It shows the extreme examples of Falcons view of the flag and how it ought to be respected.
46 IH8BY : Being an outsider, I don't quite understand how you view left and right in the US, so I wondered if you could summarize for me what makes Obama "far
47 Santosdumont : On a related matter, I was struck by the number of men who paid respects to Ronald Reagan a few years back in the US Capitol who showed up in shorts
48 Jetjack74 : I can't believe that people such as yourself can't grasp the fact Bin Laden was offered on a silver plate back in 1997, but Clinton passed on it becu
49 Santosdumont : Did I even remotely suggest that Clinton deserved a pass on that? Stranger things have happened. Of course, in the here and now and on the real, the
50 BR715-A1-30 : Eh, This is much better... Probably because its all true, LOL
51 AGM100 : Reading this thread and seeing all the points of view openly discussed ,I realize that for the first time in my life... I am really proud of my countr
52 Post contains links Klima : http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ll_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html Anyways, any response from Deval Patrick?
53 Post contains links RJdxer : I didn't realize it was the chief executives job to also handle a rifle in an infantry squad. As stated, it will be the military or an intelligence a
54 Jetjack74 : Well I don't see ANY references to it in the previous statement. Next time maybe you should insert that. The Saudi Royal family walks a very fine lin
55 Santosdumont : Last time I checked, Bush was in office on that fateful Tuesday. But if you're on memory lane, Bush 41 no doubt knew that the former mujahedin was da
56 DavestanKSAN : So what are the Conservatives in this thread doing? It looks like they, you included, are rallying around it to try and smear Sen. Obama. Yes, it's a
57 Post contains links AGM100 : As long as he stays away from the "Government will fix that for you" ideas ,, then I am cool with it. If you read his positions they are pretty typica
58 Falcon84 : Where do you come up with such crap? Seriously? Where do you get it from? Did you read what I said? Read it again. And, again, as far as I'm concerne
59 Santosdumont : Even if it were, GWB would need assistance pointing the correct part of the weapon. Unless, of course, a right-winger is in office -- in which case,
60 Tootallsd : This is the typical polarizing rhetoric that is used to subvert any discussion on 1) the war on terrorism, 2) the war in Iraq, 3) the need for health
61 N521NA : Speak for yourself. I live in Southern Nevada and I haven't met a single person that would take a second glance at this non-issue. You can't say "jus
62 Falcon84 : And it's EXACTLY what the people of this nation want to get away from when they say they want CHANGE: getting away from such polarizing, dumbing-down
63 N521NA : And Obama wins Wisconsin. Take your plagiarism accusations and shove it. Nobody buys it.
64 RJdxer : Pointing out that the democrats have a little cat fight going on. It's the liberals like you that are all put out. Hatred? I'm laughing at the whole
65 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Well that just shows you haven't been reading the thread. It's the conservatives like you who are rallying around this non-issue. Cute. Didn't seem l
66 Post contains images RJdxer : Rallying???? My comments, save for Falcons complete disregard for respecting Flag etiquette, have been pretty benign. As I said above, when the other
67 Falcon84 : Standing O for N521NA! We're enjoying this tight race, I think. It's good for the nation, and good for the Democratic party. It's your tradition, not
68 N1120A : I totally agree. Also, by and large, it has been a clean campaign with relatively little mud slinging. I guess that site leaves out the little part a
69 RJdxer : I hope you read your court briefs a little more carefully than you read the site. In the early part of this century, written PROTOCOL began to be dev
70 Post contains images Ctbarnes : I seem to remember a stink some years back when Joseph Biden was found to be plagerizing speeches by Neil Kinnock. IMHO, Biden is unfit for the presid
71 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : I guess you have a very liberal translation of benign then. An accusation of plagiarism isn't benign in my book. Oh no, I associated you with the wor
72 NIKV69 : I agree with you that it's not Plagiarism, but it does show he speeches are just rhetoric and that his words are not always his own. I have, free hea
73 Post contains links DavestanKSAN : www.barackobama.com It's simple really. Maybe he did know, maybe he didn't, the point is unless Sen. Obama tells us, we don't know either way. Dave
74 KC135TopBoom : Isn't it amazing how the Democrats are still running against President Bush? You are absolutly correct, that was the Carter Administration. At least
75 NIKV69 : Oh my, and this is why he scares me. Just taking Healthcare into consideration. From his site. Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or
76 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Now you're getting the hang of it. See, wasn't that hard now was it?? I appreciate that you took the time to research Sen. Obama's positions, if it m
77 Santosdumont : Uh-huh, in exactly the same way that "those that were vigilant" -- to say nothing of the courageous people in the former Czechoslovakia and other par
78 AGM100 : The sad thing is ... I believe her. I believe that some in her generation probably do not really feel pride for their country. I am not saying that s
79 RJdxer : I didn't accuse him of it, I was commenting on those that had. He only accepts questions dealing with the environment now. The internet things is sol
80 Santosdumont : Snide? Slow your roll, Rj. Thicken up. I guess I didn't get the memo making you A-net non-av forum Argument Pontiff.
81 BR715-A1-30 : That somebody else wrote. You think Obama wrote any of those? Do you think ANY politician writes his/her own words. If so, you are sorely mistaken.
82 Jetjack74 : Yes, in her 43 years on earth, she can't find one moment in her life that she can be proud of? Once again, we're getting some insight as to what thes
83 RJdxer : I would love to hear any other reason. Hope it made you feel better because as I said, it doesn't bother me but that does not mean it was not a snide
84 Santosdumont : Acutally, you're done. Your monophonic, doctrinaire predictability -- to say nothing of your underwhelming reasoning skills -- has evolved from curio
85 Jetjack74 : Not even his own surrogates can tell you what he's stood for. This is a flat-out JOKE
86 Post contains images NIKV69 : I actually think that was a orchestrated comment. I think it was meant to bash the GOP and the war. I doubt she really meant it. It's a fight to win
87 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : You're so far removed from reality, it's humorous. Do you have any evidence Sen. Obama willingly took Mr. Patrick's words? No? Didn't think so Jack.
88 Post contains images N521NA : Amen. Good to have some sane people on this board who don't fall for fear tactics.
89 Jetjack74 : Yeah, actually know what your candidate is all about, actually having supporters that tell you WHY they're voting/supporting their candidate is far r
90 N521NA : And the fear tactics keep coming...
91 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : That's not why I said that. I said it because you and your patriot police buddy Nick are suggesting Sen. Obama is un-American, which is far removed f
92 AGM100 : Supporters who will expect them to follow up on deal. I think that comment may come back and haunt them however.. as insignificant as it seems it rin
93 Jetjack74 : I never questioned his patriotism. I questioned his judgement as to what image he's sending. Image is everything politics and while his supporters ar
94 Falcon84 : Fear has been the playbook of the right wing zelaots since 9/11. Scare the public over every shadow around every corner; make them fear someone who (
95 RJdxer : Between the two of us, who voluntarily served his nation? Raised his right hand and swore to defend it, when it was not required for him to do so. BT
96 Jetjack74 : You're full of bullshit. No where below do I question his patriotism. I simply call him on his arrogance. Why don't you go to college and learn readi
97 DavestanKSAN : Of course you did. That's a cop out Mr. Jack, and you know it. You think because he didn't put a hand over his heart, he is less of an American. Well
98 Jetjack74 : Nope, I questioned his judgement. No where there do I call him unpatriotic, just point out his ignorance of tradition. As a concerned citizen, it is
99 RJdxer : Not in Falcons eyes. He still doesn't even admit the surge is working without putting in a qualifer or two. And it's not a fear tactic, it's the way
100 DavestanKSAN : So, that doesn't make him a close supporter. Just means he is a supporter. Could be true for some. For others it's more like they see something they
101 NIKV69 : This was actually pretty funny. Hey wait he is going to give us all free health care. Come on. It won't even cost us anything. He is going to save mo
102 KC135TopBoom : For a journalist, you'd think you could spell better (or at least know how to use the check spelling function). Journalist, huh? Couldn't find a real
103 KC135TopBoom : What playbook did we use before 9/11, Pearl Harbor? Yes, there is. Name one thing he proposes that is constitutional. Nothing. There is nothing in th
104 RJdxer : I don't, nobody does, but I believe what he did was right, and I think results in the long run are proving that it was the right thing to do. Falcon
105 HALFA : But you are ok with our government wasting BILLIONS of our tax dollars on bombing the daylights out of a sovereign nation that posed no threat to us,
106 DavestanKSAN : Well then you're absolutely out of touch with reality. I'll say the same thing to you as I said to Jack. You give far too much credit to President Bu
107 RJdxer : I give him credit for deciding enough was enough. I give him credit for holding back and going to not only the UN but Congress as well. I give credit
108 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : I guess that's the root of where you and I fundamentally disagree. But I don't want to turn this into another Iraq debate. Agreed. Sometimes I think
109 Post contains images RJdxer : No, probably won't. I don't see life as an AA meeting or group therapy. The mistakes that have been made are, in hindsight, obvious and standing up a
110 KC135TopBoom : Just words................................ The high costs of freedom isn't the Billions spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is the amount of blood my b
111 Post contains images Santosdumont : I was trying to decide between acutely and actually... Hey Man, I'm trying to get into aviation but it just seems like a bottomless money pit. I'm fl
112 Post contains images AGM100 : If they are "dolts" then we dont want them to vote . Say you love GWB and I will give you a Job working 737 freighter aircraft maint in Brazil !! now
113 Post contains images Santosdumont : Do flight hours come with that?
114 Post contains images AGM100 : No man sorry ,, just pulling wire harness though 20 year old airframes while your hanging upside down from floor structure ... Sound fun
115 Post contains images Santosdumont : Well, builds character right?
116 Post contains images AGM100 : Its an honest living for sure ... I take it your not all that interested in it though ? Reckon you have enough character ? Attaching a wire harness c
117 Santosdumont : How good of an honest living is it?
118 NIKV69 : They can't. It's the same baseless propaganda the left uses to scare people. Like Rosie saying that the twin towers could not have come down without
119 Post contains images HALFA : I know the truth hurts sometimes but there is nothing dumb about my statement. It is fact. Speaking of dumb statements. It must be real nice living i
120 AGM100 : Did anyone else catch the slip last night by Sen Obama... He admitted that the surge had in fact worked to beat back .. " Al-Qaeda " .. he paused when
121 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : Actually, I'm not. You see, as American citizens, they have a right to chose to vote, or not. Actually, Freedom of Speech is only guaranteed under th
122 Santosdumont : This is true. But doesn't it bother you that so many US citizens don't feel the civic obligation to exercise their franchise -- a right that you and
123 NIKV69 : Well two out of three isn't bad. No surprise, if Obama's followers want to believe he will immediately pull out of Iraq if elected well that is their
124 Santosdumont : No such luck. Had I been watching the View (can't endure Rosie for more than a couple of seconds) I'd probably be writing "I wiw sayw whateverw thew"
125 KC135TopBoom : Don't let any facts cloud your opinions. I'll bet you would have voted for McCarthy, too, if you could have. Fortunately, I'm not a jornalist. The ri
126 Santosdumont : As it should be, in principle, I suppose. So I guess it doesn't bother you that so many US citizens just feel so nonchalant about the whole voting ex
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