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Gay Rugby Team: Sporting "apartheid"?  
User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23924 times:

A couple of excerpts from this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7253965.stm

Quote:

Northern Ireland's only gay rugby team is promoting a form of sporting apartheid, Sports Minister Edwin Poots has claimed.

"I just cannot fathom why people see the necessity to develop an apartheid in sport," he said.

Mr Poots said: "It would be unacceptable to produce an all-black rugby team or an all-white team or an all-Chinese team.

"To me it's equally unacceptable to produce an all-homosexual rugby team and I find it remarkable that people who talk so much about inclusivity and about having an equal role in society would then go down the route of exclusion."

An interesting one, this. Is this manner of discrimination "unacceptable"? Or is the formation of gay rugby clubs (I take it this is under the wing of the IGRAB) a legitimate reaction to "casual" and targeted homophobia being rife in mens' team sports, perhaps as a result of insecurities?


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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23917 times:



Quoting IH8BY (Thread starter):
"To me it's equally unacceptable to produce an all-homosexual rugby team and I find it remarkable that people who talk so much about inclusivity and about having an equal role in society would then go down the route of exclusion."

That sentence does lead one to think they are being a little hypocritical

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23914 times:
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Would a straight rugby team accept an openly gay member?

Maybe Mr.Poots wants to be tackled by beefy gay guys...

[Edited 2008-02-19 14:35:31]


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23904 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 2):
Would a straight rugby team accept an openly gay member?

It's not just rugby, it's any sporting team. I've played team sports all my life, and never once has there been an openly gay player in any of the sides. Statistically, there must be some who have been, but the dressing room environment is not conducive to someone admitting it. There are many neanderthal opinions out there, and sports teams are definitely included in that.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23896 times:
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Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
Statistically, there must be some who have been, but the dressing room environment is not conducive to someone admitting i

John Amaechi agrees with you..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2757105



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23879 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
John Amaechi agrees with you..

Ironically, few in his native land had heard of this country's best player until he did that.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23868 times:

What's important here is not who is gay and who is not.

What matters is the
sweaty bums
and manly scrums
 Wink



User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23858 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 6):
What matters is the
sweaty bums
and manly scrums

Actually, based on that pic, the referee's just given a penalty for standing up in the scrum and the loosehead prop not binding correctly.  Wink



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3062 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23853 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
John Amaechi agrees with you..

Went to school with him in the UK.

Damn fine bloke  Smile

Shamu



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23847 times:



Quoting IH8BY (Thread starter):
IGRAB

haha that's quite the acronym.  Wink

First off, don't EVER throw the word apartheid around. Using this word liberally as the dipshit in the article has done is both tasteless and ignorant. Fundamentally apartheid was applied by one group on other groups for broad separation. This would be akin to setting up a separate league for gays to play in so that they are secluded from non-gays. This team apparently plays against straight teams and even allows straight members. Where's the 'apartheid' in that? There is no segregation in that at all. So the comparison is completely off base. My view is that this team achieves a means for gays to play rugby without the stigma found in conventional locker rooms.

As for this gem ""It would be unacceptable to produce an all-black rugby team or an all-white team or an all-Chinese team." Ever heard of the New Zealand Maori? A team by invitation only that only (usually) allow Maori blooded players to take the field? Idiot.


YOWza



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23840 times:



Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
Actually, based on that pic, the referee's just given a penalty for standing up in the scrum and the loosehead prop not binding correctly.

I'm sorry. I don't speak Aramaic.  Smile


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 23840 times:

There seems to be a trend of "encouraging diversity" by totally sequestering everyone into their respective "diverse" groups. In college there was the all Native American dorm, the all black dorm, and so on. It's a bit counterproductive. Gay sports teams are all about meeting other gays....whether for friendship, or dating, or "other", let's be honest....otherwise your regular neighborhood pickup game would suffice.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27319 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23828 times:

It doesn't surprise me that this crap came out of Edwin Poots mouth !!! He is a homophobic scum bag and if the truth be told a tiny bit hypocritical ....cough cough !!!! One day he is going to be hung by his own double standards.

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23828 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 10):
I'm sorry. I don't speak Aramaic.

Played for, and got.  Wink



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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23811 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
First off, don't EVER throw the word apartheid around.

Yes, I thought it was an odd one for him to use. Appears on further investigation that he's quite a controversial member of the assembly.



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5812 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23793 times:

This is so similar to a controversy that erupted here about a year ago concerning Gloria, the gay and lesbian choir. Some woman got her knickers in a twist and claimed they were being discriminatory, for exactly the same reason.

Gloria responded politely by saying they did not discriminate and that anyone, gay or straight, was welcome to join. (I think there may have been one or two straight members). Their argument was that it was created principally for gay people and their friends, which could include anyone, presumably once they didn't have a problem with that.

I imagine it will be a similar case with Northern Ireland's gay rugby team. I can't see how they could discriminate in this day and age. Anyway, it's probably a moot point: it would take a VERY brave straight man to join a gay rugby team. Big grin

And you have to hand it to Lastminute.com for this ad during the Rugby World Cup last year:

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27319 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23777 times:



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
it would take a VERY brave straight man to join a gay rugby team.

Well according to a few of my mates who go clubbing often in Dublin its amazing how full certain clubs get in Georges Street when the Rugby matches are in town LOL....


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23771 times:



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 14):
Yes, I thought it was an odd one for him to use. Appears on further investigation that he's quite a controversial member of the assembly.

He's an idiot. The fact that he would say "It would be unacceptable to produce an all-black rugby team or an all-white team or an all-Chinese team." totally ignoring the NZ Maori immediately kills his credibility.

YOWza



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23769 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
He's an idiot. The fact that he would say "It would be unacceptable to produce an all-black rugby team or an all-white team or an all-Chinese team." totally ignoring the NZ Maori immediately kills his credibility.

Without necessarily defending his views, I would suspect he's referring to such teams in the Northern Ireland context, rather than anything else.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23766 times:

This is the first I've heard of this yahoo - but he's missed the point big time.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Gay sports teams are all about meeting other gays....

I won't deny there's a social aspect (hell, we advertise it on our website), but, at least in the case of gay rugby, its more an effort to get gay men into a sport that's traditionally not had a lot of gay participation. This is the mission statement from our website:
Our goals are to be a competitive club that is open to men of all sexual orientations, to increase overall knowledge and appreciation of rugby union football and to foster the fitness, character and camaraderie that will serve our members throughout their lives.
I can't speak for every IGRAB club, but I've not come across a single one that doesn't welcome straight members. Our current makeup is about 70% gay, 30% straight. I know clubs that have started out almost exclusively gay, and are now mostly straight, but they're still IGRAB clubs. Bottom line, this guy is talking out of his ass.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
Anyway, it's probably a moot point: it would take a VERY brave straight man to join a gay rugby team.

Actually, both our Team Captain and our coach/Forward's Captain are straight, though I have noticed they tend to keep their wives close at hand at the drink-ups! Big grin



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5812 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 23766 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 16):
amazing how full certain clubs get in Georges Street when the Rugby matches are in town LOL....

I heard that too, but then no one is going to run telling tales to their mates. Actually going public and joining a team might take a little more, ahem, balls . . . Big grin


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 23665 times:
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The last time the gay team played a straight team they had 4 tries, and got 2 conversions  Smile


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User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23590 times:

Searpqx:
For which team do you play?
A couple of buddies of mine are in Gotham Knights here in NYC...maybe we have friends in common!


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23583 times:



Quoting Vermeer (Reply 22):
For which team do you play?

I'm with the Seattle Quake RFC. We're looking forward to a rematch with the Knights in Dublin!  devil 



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User currently offlineVermeer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 447 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23556 times:



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 23):
I'm with the Seattle Quake RFC. We're looking forward to a rematch with the Knights in Dublin!

I can only imagine...the drinkup!

I have been asked to go and join the group - and I am really tempted - but I am not such a "sport" when it comes to be outside in shorts at 20F and below...


25 Tootallsd : Is 'shrinkage' a factor in your decision. More seriously, Gay Men and Women have these affinity groups to allow us to fully participate in activities
26 Vermeer : You misunderstood my post, which was weather and not sexually related. I I am very comfortable with my homosexuality and deal very well with tackling
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