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Will SS United States Be In Service Anytime Soon?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Will SS United States be in service anytime soon? If yes when?

I know NCL bought it but this is taking like forever for them to put it back into service.

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
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If by soon you mean ever, it's looking more and more doubtful.

NCL has owned it for a couple of years now and nothing really has happened. It's amazing this beautiful vessel has not been scrapped....but it has been fairly gutted and stripped of anything resembling useful assets. It's machinery is not functional, what of it is left, and it's not been to sea under it's own power for over 20 years.

I'll be surprised if NCL finds it economic to do anything but scrap it if they can find a legal way to do so.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Why did they buy it at the very first place?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3172 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Why did they buy it at the very first place?

Because they needed a ship that was built in the USA to run its Hawaii cruises. They managed to get compromise and thus be able to us new builds. My thoughts is that this ship will never enter service with NCL. The CEO of NCL is very pro new builds and not a fan of older ships in the least.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3154 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
The CEO of NCL is very pro new builds and not a fan of older ships in the least.

Here's some info on the "New Builds" at this link that NCL has been using on the Hawaii runs. See entry for Feb 8, 11, 16:

http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnews.html

There's also news on this site about the United States and other ships . . .


User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3141 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Here's some info on the "New Builds" at this link that NCL has been using on the Hawaii runs. See entry for Feb 8, 11, 16:

I haven't been following cruising as much the last couple of years so I had no idea that NCL was pulling out of the Hawaii market so much. I know they spent alot of time and effort to get to the point they were at.

Found this interesting article on what's going on with the NCL America program:

http://www.frommers.com/rss/articles/4963.html


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3129 times:



Quoting Beefer (Reply 5):
I haven't been following cruising as much the last couple of years so I had no idea that NCL was pulling out of the Hawaii market so much.

Another officer in my Department recently went on a Hawaii Cruise with NCL - in fact the last two weeks, the same time I was gallavanting about Maui he was with his wife onboard their ship.

Said he has a great time, ship was awesome, and appeared full. I can't imagine why they are pulling back so much in that market. Tourism in Hawaii is high, and it's the high season there too.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
Why did they buy it at the very first place?



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Because they needed a ship that was built in the USA to run its Hawaii cruises.

Jones Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920


User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3107 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
I can't imagine why they are pulling back so much in that market.

This is what the Frommers article which I linked to in my other post had to say:

Commenting on the Pride of Aloha withdrawal, NCL President and CEO Colin Veitch noted that, "Our Hawaii business has been extraordinarily difficult, and although we have progressively established a stable operation, delivering a good product in a great destination, the overall price level in the market has been driven down, to a significant degree, by an unprecedented expansion of capacity from low-cost foreign flag ships based on the west coast operating domestic Hawaii itineraries . . ."

Translation: You can currently get an 11-, 12-, or even 15-night cruise sailing from west coast cities like San Diego or Ensenada (Mexico) for prices that are competitive with what NCL charges for its 7-night inter-island cruises. You might not spend quite as much time in the islands (it takes 4 or 5 days to reach Hawaii from the west coast) but you will get a lot more vacation days for your money, as well as saving air costs by only having to fly one-way from the islands rather than round-trip.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3064 times:



Quoting Beefer (Reply 7):

True that Translation.

Looking at itineraries between Princess and NCL, I can easily spend as much on Princess and get a longer cruise (with several days at sea - which I prefer) and still get the Island Hopping done . . .

Being a member of Princess' Captain's Circle for many years, they usually get my business. . . save a few trips on Renaissance anyway.

Check out Princess' 14 day LA - Hawaii - LA Cruise (Itinerary # 5846). A mini-suite costs $2900 pp.

Seven days on NCL from Honolulu is $2899 pp - in a suite.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Because they needed a ship that was built in the USA to run its Hawaii cruises.

Then why not use it?  Confused


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

You have to remember that unlike other cruises where the staff our usually from other countries and make peanuts in wages. The NCL Hawaii has all crew from the USA and must pay them the going rates and must only work them x amount of hours or they get paid overtime. That is what is killing the NCL Hawaii product.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
Because they needed a ship that was built in the USA to run its Hawaii cruises.

Then why not use it?

Because they were able to get around the Jones act with new builds.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Also no casino revenue from the NCL Hawaii ships.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineFlashFlyGuy From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
Then why not use it?

Well, considering these photos were taken in 2002....











Meanwhile, I'm off today to get some hopefully decent photos of the Cunard Queen Victoria which has just this minute docked here in Sydney, on it's maiden arrival. I'm sure it will be madness down there today. However, tomorrow it will be absolutely insane with the final arrival of the QE2 and QV in port....

EDIT: Just heard on the radio that, when the QE2 arrives tomorrow -- it will be 30 years to the day since it's maiden arrival into Sydney...(24th February 1978).

[Edited 2008-02-22 12:10:26]

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Where did SS United States sail in the past? Also do they have a swimming pool?

User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3009 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Jones Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920

Wow, that is one *hell* of a protective law!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
Where did SS United States sail in the past? Also do they have a swimming pool?

I don't mean to be rude, but does your computer not have a Search Google function?

http://www.ss-united-states.com/i2.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States

http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/Home.html


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

The old girl has seen much better days. It's doubtful that she can be put back into
active service again. Perhaps it would be better to sink her deep in the Atlantic,
where the carrier USS America lies.
As much as I appreciate maritime history...sometimes it's better to let them go
to a ocean grave. At least she'll be in one piece. Just my thoughts.
Regards.



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2941 times:
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The reason the "Big U" isn't currently under tow to India, to take her place on the beach beside the Norway, is because she's on the U.S. National Historic Registry. NCL probably figures it's easier to just keep her rotting in Philadelphia and pay the berthing fees than to undergo the legal hassle of towing her out in the middle of the night.

I think the reason we'll never see her in passenger service again is because the cost to bring her up to today's standards would probably be enormous, they'd probably have to install new engines, make her ADA compliant, SOLAS compliant, not to mention completely gut the interior and rebuild it from scratch to make her useful under NCL's current "Freestyle Cruising" business plan, which dictates many dining and entertainment options, while keeping the exterior basically the way it is. I know a number of years ago, when they bought her, NCL intended to basically rebuild her from scratch, but with her being on the National Historic Registry, i don't think they can do much to change her exterior appearance.

the best thing NCL could do with her is to have her completely restored to her original glory and turn her into some kind of martime museum. Somehow, though, considering the enormous cost, i don't think NCL would do that, they're satisfied to let her just sit and rot, and maybe hope that if enough time passes, she'll sink in her berth, allowing them to scrap her.

that's my opinion.

A couple of interesting factoids:

She was the last true ocean liner to take the Blue Ribband, she did it on her maiden voyage, with a crossing time of 3days and an average speed of 35 knots.

During her sea trials, supposedly, she was hitting speeds of 41 knots, she was so fast that the government classified her actual sea trial speeds.

Once in active service, because she was paired with the SS America, a much older, slower vessel, they had to keep her crossing speed down, to keep the schedules in sync, because the America just could not keep up.

It would have been great to see what kind of service life she might have had had she been constructed 10 or 15 years earlier, she'd have made a great trooper during WWII, because of her astounding hull speed, and post war, she'd probably have given the Queens a run for their money, maybe built a following, and weathered the advent of the jetage much better.



Why are people so against low yields?! If lower yields means more people can travel abroad, i'm all for it
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2930 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 17):
the best thing NCL could do with her is to have her completely restored to her original glory and turn her into some kind of martime museum. Somehow, though, considering the enormous cost, i don't think NCL would do that, they're satisfied to let her just sit and rot, and maybe hope that if enough time passes, she'll sink in her berth, allowing them to scrap her.

that's my opinion.

Having worked for NCL for many years, you have hit the nail on the head on just how they hope this plays out.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

It will not ever sail again, with the exception of going to the scrapyards of Alang, India.

Here is a fascinating maritime website that provides a wealth of detail on this matter :

http://www.ssmaritime.com/newsupdates2.htm



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2796 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 17):
She was the last true ocean liner to take the Blue Ribband, she did it on her maiden voyage, with a crossing time of 3days and an average speed of 35 knots.

During her sea trials, supposedly, she was hitting speeds of 41 knots, she was so fast that the government classified her actual sea trial speeds.

She was also partially built with USN funds, so she could be called up as a troop carrier, if needed.

Her machinery is the same type that is used aboard the USN Iowa class BBs.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7989 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

They could rebuild the SS United States, but the cost would approach US$1 billion in terms of replacing corroded parts, replacing the engines, and upgrading the ship to meet current Americans with Disabilities Act accessibility standards. At that price, it would be cheaper to just build a new ship just for cruising around the Hawaiian Islands.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

All I can say is.......... what a waste. And NCL lies all the time. 

Why did they buy SS France? And why did they change the name from SS Norway to SS Blue Lady before scrapping? Can anyone tell me please?

[Edited 2008-02-24 10:54:19]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2742 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 22):
Why did they buy SS France? Can anyone tell me please?

SS Norway (nee France) was a viable and very very popular ship for many years with NCL. THe cost to repair her after the mishap in Miami simply wasn't worth it. NCL could almost build a new ship, keel to top mast, for the cvost to cut a hole in the side of Norway to remove/replace/repair that boiler room.

Further, she was getting a little long in the tooth, and couldn't make the docks in many of her stops, rather having to lighter pax to the beach . . .

As popular as she was, her day was done when that boiler exploded.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

If the boiler didn't explode I guess she is still in service now

25 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : I'm quite sure. Norway had quite a following . . . was very popular. This is her current state: Don't look EA_CO_AS Scroll down to the 11th (& 12th)
26 FlashFlyGuy : Maybe because it was no longer owned by NCL. It is not uncommon for ships going to the breakers to be renamed. For many years we had a ship doing cru
27 United Airline : Interestingly Saga Ruby and Saga Rose are still in service/good shape. Very hard to book on them though
28 CupraIbiza : As soon as the Sagrada Familia church is completed
29 Post contains links AverageUser : I would not call the event a mishap at all. Rather, it was the inevitable end result of knowingly running critical equipment past their useful and sa
30 Luv2fly : I very much doubt it. She was getting to the point that having to make repairs to make her current with S.O.L.A.S. standards would have been way to c
31 Post contains images BananaBoY : Just found this thread... Concur with the above as per the reasons for retirement. Agree that it's extremely unlikely SS United States will sail again
32 FlagshipAZ : Well, NCL can always sell the SS United States to the City of Long Beach, and turn her into another RMS Queen Mary. A damn shame to let maritime histo
33 Post contains links United_Fan : Here's a link to a site that got to go inside her last Summer. Some of the up-close shots are scarry,as far as the corrosion! http://www.planphilly.co
34 Post contains images Mortyman : I miss SS Norway... I will never understand why the owners fed her to the wolfes at the shipwreck yard in India.... she might have been an old ship, b
35 United_Fan : Unfortunately,in busuiness,it doesn't work that way. The Norway was an ocean liner,which was overkill on Carib cruising.
36 ANCFlyer : Didn't intend to infer her age was the cause of her inability to dock at most places . . . Yes, I know she was a deep draft ocean liner, not a cruise
37 Post contains images United_Fan : Sad,very sad,but true
38 1stfl94 : I think the best hope is that she becomes a museum ship or a floating hotel like the QE2 will in November.
39 United_Fan : I doubt that,too. At least the QE2's interior is intact and its exterior is in good shape. By SS United States' interior is gutted and its exterior i
40 Post contains images MSYtristar : I can't pass this one up... Spock suggested to Kirk in Star Trek 6 that they have outlived their usefulness.
41 CaptOveur : They have.. Yet they continue to make movies that people without lives continue to go see.
42 Luv2fly : NCL, Norwegian Cruise Line has nothing to do with RCCL, Royal Caribbean Cruise Line.
43 Luv2fly : Well since the current CEO hates anything old her days were numbered with or with out the accident. Prior to the accident the plan was to redeploy he
44 Mortyman : I am fully aware of this, and I never said it was the same company. Please read the post again.
45 United_Fan : I wonder if she'd even make the journey to Alang....
46 Post contains links Highflier92660 : There are extremely few options for an obsolete ocean liner that was also built as a mid-century high speed ocean going troop carrier. Doing an Intern
47 Luv2fly : There are photos of her already being scrapped, you are talking about the Norway, correct.
48 United_Fan : No,the United States.......
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