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GOP Already Starting Its Obama Smear Campaign  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Check out this video:



When will the GOP get it that Americans are tired of this petty fearmongering bullshit? This rep is the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen.

His point doesn't even make sense. "We are bringing it up but only because the left doesn't like it." What?? Way to go for childish tactics.  Yeah sure

[Edited 2008-02-28 22:12:29]


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5510 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

It's rather distasteful. He can go ahead and say that mentioning Barack's middle name and such is all fun and games, but the truth is, there are a lot of uneducated people in the US that will associate Barack with a middle easterner.

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

I find it ironic that the Congressman from Georgia is upset that Obama's health care plan is estimated to cost us tax payers 65 Billion, yet he doesn't seem to mind that the illegal war in Iraq has cost us 2 TRILLION. I'm glad his priorities are in order.  Yeah sure
And he's got alot of nerve ripping on Obama for not wearing a US flag lapel pin when he's not wearing one himself. What a hippocrate. I mean hypocrite.  Smile

HALFA



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3153 times:
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Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
When will the GOP get it that Americans are tired of this petty fearmongering bullshit? This rep is the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen.

I got about 20 seconds into this video before I had turn it off. While it was over the top with the Hussein thing, what is the big deal with saying his middle name? Questioning his patriotism is the least of his negatives. His empty words of "inspiration" sounds great when he's immitating JFK, but when his whole campaign is nothing but platitudes and colourful anecdotes, I think many of the uninformed people who blindly throw their support at this guy will probably reconsider when it comes time to pull the handle, or punch the punchcard.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

I don't see the problem with saying Obamas middle name over and over. What is wrong with it? All the things mentioned in the video are true, none of it was made up and it certainly does raise questions about his patriotism.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 2):
And he's got alot of nerve ripping on Obama for not wearing a US flag lapel pin when he's not wearing one himself. What a hippocrate. I mean hypocrite.

I believe Obama refused to wear one, not just didn't wear one. And when you are a presidential candidate I think that flag pin is important.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3143 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
While it was over the top with the Hussein thing, what is the big deal with saying his middle name?

It is a big deal because it is done intentionally in order to put into voters (especially the uninformed voters) minds that "oh my God he's a Muslim!" I've heard something along these lines at least a couple of times. Do you hear opponents normally calling Hillary as "Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton" every time they mention her name? Or why is it that nobody constantly refers to him as "John Sidney McCain III?" There is a definite reason they keep saying and emphasizing "Barack Hussein Obama" ad nauseum. By saying "what's the big deal?" means that you are either in denial or you don't get it (I am guessing the former).



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3144 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3):
I think many of the uninformed people who blindly throw their support at this guy will probably reconsider when it comes time to pull the handle

Yes Jack, us Obama supporters are just a bunch of uninformed, uneducated morons that will support any pretty face with good lines. We wouldn't possibly want to vote for him based on his stance on issues.  Yeah sure
Your rhetoric is getting old, and insinuating that his supporters are uneducated and ignorant does nothing to support your cause.

Pathetic.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3132 times:



Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):

You guys (and the GOP) are waaaay late to thi game.

"Former Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for president Sunday but stirred a continuing controversy by noting her chief rival's name is "Barack Hussein Obama" and that Obama had Muslim ancestors."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004077664_obama17.html

"Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama."

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm

BTW, that last article is from Jan. 2007.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 6):
Obama supporters are just a bunch of uninformed, uneducated morons that will support any pretty face with good lines. We wouldn't possibly want to vote for him based on his stance on issues.
Your rhetoric is getting old, and insinuating that his supporters are uneducated and ignorant does nothing to support your cause.

Where did I put the word "uneducated? I'm talking about people, regardless of their education, who have no idea what this guy has accomplished and just blindly vote this guy without knowing one single thing this has done. That's my biggest beef with this guy. Not his race, his name, his religious ties, it's the fact that virtually no one can tell me or anyone else, what this guy has accomplished. That's pathetic, borderline a joke. I find your insertion of uneducated very telling about you're kneejerk defense of someone who's main source of public record is Wikipedia.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5):
It is a big deal because it is done intentionally in order to put into voters (especially the uninformed voters) minds that "oh my God he's a Muslim!" I've heard something along these lines at least a couple of times

Well, it was Hillary's campaign and her surrogates which has inflicted most of the insults at Obama, including the Somali/Muslim garb, and the Hussein thing. John McCain repudiated the comments by Billy Cuningham and is distancing himself by those who use Obama's middle name..

[Edited 2008-02-28 23:14:56]


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3103 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
it's the fact that virtually no one can tell me or anyone else, what this guy has accomplished.

Ok, let's start here:

Education:

Graduate of Punahou School. Most Prestigious primary learning facility in the state of Hawaii

BA in political science (with a specialization in international relations) from Columbia University.

JD Graduate of Harvard Law School (Juris Doctor degree, magna cum laude).

President of the Harvard Law Review (the first ever African American).


Experience:

Civil rights attorney (turned down a prestigious judicial clerkship)

Constitutional law professor.

Community organizer.

State Senator.

Chairman of the Illinois State Senate Health and Human Services Committee.

US Senator.

Member of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Environment and Public Works Committee, and Veterans ' Affairs Committee.

Author.

Husband and father of two daughters.

Board member of the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund of Chicago, and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.


Honors:

Grammy award winner (Spoken Word category).

Honored by the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences (for narration of one of his books).

Honorary doctor of laws degree from the University of Massachusetts Boston (for among other things, "advancing and protecting the interests of the less fortunate")

And most importantly, was steadfast in his opposition of the illegal invasion of Iraq from the start. One of the few Senators with the courage to vote his conscience, and one of the few Senators that was intelligent enough to understand that our real enemy was not in Baghdad but in the mountainous border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I'd say he is very accomplished.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):

Wonderfools, I mean wonderful. Now why can't this average supporter point out at least one of the things listed on here off the top of their head. Oh well, when they stop fainting......................



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Gee, I guess not all of the GOP is down with the smear campaign

Republicans decry use of 'Hussein' in Obama's name

So, Obama supporter(s), are there any issues that we can criticize him without being a smear campaign and offending you  Yeah sure

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
Honors:

Grammy award winner (Spoken Word category).

Well, that qualifies him to be our next president...thanks for the scoop!



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User currently offlinePlatypus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):

When will the GOP get it that Americans are tired of this petty fearmongering bullshit?

You figure, we conservatives, would have learned from the antics of Hilary Clinton.
  

Mdsh00,
What are your feelings regarding Hilary Clinton's smear campaign against Barrack Obama?

[Edited 2008-02-29 04:40:22]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3022 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
I believe Obama refused to wear one, not just didn't wear one. And when you are a presidential candidate I think that flag pin is important.

We're really going down the toilet, and looking for non-issues, when THAT becomes important.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3014 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
I believe Obama refused to wear one, not just didn't wear one. And when you are a presidential candidate I think that flag pin is important.

Just the type of voters JetJack was talking about, except on the other side.

What has McCain really accomplished except of course being a POW which I sorry does not automatically qualifies one to be president? Some of us in Arizona are curiosity since we never see him hence the label (R-Media).


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2992 times:



Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5):
It is a big deal because it is done intentionally in order to put into voters (especially the uninformed voters) minds that "oh my God he's a Muslim!"

Idunno what's worse, people believing he's bad because of his middle name, or people believing he's good because he offers "hope" and "change" and "changing hope" and "hopeful change" and any other variation of those two words without anything backing it up.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
Grammy award winner (Spoken Word category).

Oh well now that you mention that sign me up! Silly



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
And when you are a presidential candidate I think that flag pin is important.

Why? How does one wearing a flag pin on his lapel make him any more patriotic? In fact, if you look back, the lapel wasn't nearly as prevalent as it was after 9/11. But, after that fateful day flag waving ad nauseum was the order of the day. Which, is fine. However, I'm not going to base my judgement of a candidate on whether or not he wears a half inch by quarter inch flag on his blazer. There are more important things.

Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
I don't see the problem with saying Obamas middle name over and over. What is wrong with it?

So from now one I want to see you ONLY refer to the other candidates by their full names? If his middle name were "John" do you think anyone would mention his middle name...ever?

Most people don't even know Sen. McCain's middle name or Sen. Clinton's middle names. I didn't.

LH423



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2958 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
We're really going down the toilet, and looking for non-issues, when THAT becomes important.

This from the guy who pokes fun of the sitting president when he tried to open a locked door at a press conference. The hypocrisy.


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Milhous Nixon, and William Jefferson Clinton would all be appalled that Barack Obama's middle name has been mentioned  sarcastic 

User currently offlineMax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
I don't see the problem with saying Obamas middle name over and over. What is wrong with it?

It's obvious to most people that repeatedly saying his middle name, Hussein, is an attempt to subconsciously scare Americans into thinking he's either related to Saddam or he is a Muslim Trojan Horse. There's only a negative intent in saying Barack's middle name; that's what wrong with it.

And if you don't believe that's the reason why it's being said, then you must be deluding yourself.

[Edited 2008-02-29 08:17:33]


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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
offers "hope" and "change" and "changing hope" and "hopeful change" and any other variation of those two words without anything backing it up.

People want "change" from exactly this kind of crap. Change from fear mongering, from "freedom" fries, from "you are with u or against us" shtick.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2930 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 20):
People want "change" from exactly this kind of crap. Change from fear mongering, from "freedom" fries, from "you are with u or against us" shtick.

Clearly...they just don't care about the details or reality Silly



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21):
Clearly...they just don't care about the details or reality Silly

Reality? How real is it that just because your middle name is "Hussein" you are automatically a terrorist? I give you enough credit to understand than that is what exactly these people are trying to imply (please don't prove me wrong)

I would hate to find out what is it implied if your name happens to be "George"

Maybe people are just so sick of it that they are willing to take a leap of fate and a risk. People are saying: The same or some thing different.

They are in essence saying "ANYTHING, ANYTHING is better than this!"



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

WTF?

If American people were overtly concerned about his middle name, which BTW everyone here seems to know about, Obama would not be on top.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 20):
People want "change" from exactly this kind of crap. Change from fear mongering, from "freedom" fries, from "you are with u or against us" shtick.

Or anything related to the 'Clinton' name.


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 22):
They are in essence saying "ANYTHING, ANYTHING is better than this!"

The German people were saying that about the status quo circa 1932, too. And before anyone accuses me of comparing Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler, that is not my intent. The point is that wanting some vague notion of "change" is lacking any specificity about the content of that change. Seems like an emotional response to the status quo rather than an intellectual one.


25 Mt99 : Clinton gets thrown into the same ball of "past". For completely different reasons.
26 Mt99 : Well yea.. how many times have the republicans brought up 9/11 and security issues? Honestly, Is it intended to provoke an emotional response from th
27 Slider : Those aren't accomplishments, that is merely his resume and profile. What has he DONE that qualifies him to run the country? Can anyone name a singul
28 AirCop : On the other hand, what accomplishments of McCain or Nader that qualifies him to run the country? Or even what accomplishments did Bush have prior to
29 Mt99 : Both parties are banking on emotional responses. Republicans are using "Fear", Obama is using "Hope". "Fear" and "Hope" are both just as real.
30 Itsonlyme : Well, since the short time hes been in the senate, he has authored/introduced Lugar-Obama, which expands on Nunn-Lugar, to do with rounding up loose w
31 RJdxer : If you actually believe it will only cost 65 billion dollars have I got some good land in Florida for you! It's a little damp but other than that it'
32 Jetjack74 : Very good. But the point is, many of his supporters don't have a clue of what Obama, and are blindly throwing their vote at him, simply by what he sa
33 Jetjack74 : or William Howard Taft, who used his middle name in everything
34 AirCop : Ditto the Republican party, McCain never ran a business, and being a POW doesn't automatically qualify one to be president. All his oil businesses we
35 Pe@rson : There would be no attention or objection if his middle name were Bill or George (or any damn thing but Sue). But because it's Hussein - and everyone k
36 Jetjack74 : The businesses were failures becuase the oil market to a nosedive. You may remember we had this little thing known as an energy crisis. If you're goi
37 Jetjack74 : Uhh Pearson, it was former Democratic Senator Bob Kerrey who first brought it up last year. Furthermore, the Republican National Committee just put a
38 AndesSMF : Obama is quickly becoming the default candidate. Hillary has always had a love/hate relationship with the American public; people either loved her or
39 Dvk : Yeah, running businesses UNSUCCESSFULLY, and being governor of a state that is run by the legislature, with the governor having very little authority
40 AirCop : The energy crisis of the early 70's were behind us when the President started his first oil business in 1978, if fact oil prices nose-dived, which me
41 RJdxer : Nor did I say he did. It doesn't change the fact I stated. All west Texas oil businesses were failing then. Oil prices were severely depressed world
42 AirCop : In Texas with little authority.. I sure hope so, when I started to drive gas was 26 cents a gallon. Wonder why his experience with the Carlyle Group
43 Bagpiper : Does NOBODY see the irony here?? Sure, that is her maiden name... but why not just call her what her name is... Hillary Clinton. Sure, the Republican
44 Mdsh00 : I think it's bullshit too and I definitely lost a lot of respect for her because of that.
45 Jetjack74 : Wrong, the negative impact on the oil market went on for years after the initial crisis produced price declines THROUGHOUT the 1970's, which were fur
46 MaverickM11 : The Hussein bit is nonsense and no one is biting. The problem is all that "change" and "hope" he's promising is populist fluff. Granted all politicia
47 AndesSMF : The oil bust in Texas occurred in the early 80's.
48 Jetjack74 : Cherry picking Wikipedia AirCop? Especially a section that is open to tampering by anonymous posters. Why don't we discuss the many political figures
49 Mt99 : Voters put Bush in office too. Are you suggesting democracy is overrated?
50 NIKV69 : Just as there uneducated people that will vote for him because he can talk good. Yep, if he is lucky enough to beat Hillary for the nom you will see
51 HALFA : Yes, those ARE accomplishments. Being the first African American President of the Harvard Law Review is definitely an accomplishment. The 65 Billion
52 Nwafan20 : Guys, sheesh. Does anyone call George Bush just that, George Bush? No, it is always George W. Bush. Now many people will say the "W" as "Dubbua", now
53 PSA53 : I agree.Is this why Obama opposed the vote about Iraq because he has sympathy to the Muslim causes?I find this very significant.But I need to do more
54 Mir : Video's not working for me - says it no longer exists. Because it is being used for the sole purpose of painting him in a negative light. Nader doesn'
55 Post contains links HALFA : Barack Obama was NOT educated in a Madrassa. He spent a few of his early years educated in a secular public school in Jakarta before returning to Haw
56 Slider : Funny how this became a thread about Jorge W. Bush. I don't think ANY of them were or are qualified to be president either. To me, this isn't a parti
57 PSA53 : And CNN, in which both have splashed (un)trues in favor of more noise then substance.Thanks for the links.It is important to keep digging for the tru
58 Jetjack74 : For which makes this entire thread a smear on Republicans, don't you think? One offshoot radio host maybe the viewed as the mouthpiece for the GOP by
59 Post contains images HALFA : Glad to see you're coming around. HALFA
60 Dvk : Wrong. Right-wing Republicans in Tennessee have done the same thing in ads, which is part of the reason the RNC said to stop the "Hussein" bs.
61 Post contains links Jetjack74 : I wasn't referring to the popular vote of the 2000 election when I said they were duped into voting for him, I was referring to the electoral majorit
62 Post contains images RJdxer : I guess I don't understand what you are driving at. The Governor of Texas has as much authority as other Governors. He can propose legislation and ha
63 Dvk : No he doesn't. State constitutions vary considerably, and the Texas state constitution gives the governor significantly less authority than in many o
64 PacNWJet : O.K. Fine. Have it your way. Barack Obama does not use his middle name in his campaign. But this begs the question, why doesn't he? Franklin Delano R
65 AirCop : Perhaps you should read House of Bush/House of Saud next time on one of your trips...and read the footnotes, which one does not have to give credit t
66 HALFA : I highlighted the quote from the video made by a REPUBLICAN congressman stating his opposition to Obama's proposed "65 Billion" dollar National Healt
67 Platypus : You sure about it being FOX news HALFA? Last I checked, it was team Hilary smearing Obama, and pulling the Islamic stunts! [i.e. the picture] It's no
68 Mir : I don't know, and quite frankly I don't care. It's his choice, and I've got a lot better things to worry about. It isn't just this one nutcase who's
69 RJdxer : As he should be. By the way, can you give us your source that says that Iraq is an "illegal" war? If so, why does Congress continue to fund it and Ob
70 Post contains links HALFA : Positive. Watch this video, it speaks for itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms If you can provide me any evidence that Senator Obama di
71 Jetjack74 : But in all honesty, this entire thing about his name is silly. It's a name If he's upset about about it then it's his problem and he needs to get ove
72 Post contains links and images Platypus : I've answered you question many times! However, it is obvious you'd rather lesson to smarmy, edited half truths on youtube then deal with facts. Foxn
73 DavestanKSAN : Sen. Obama became president of the Harvard Law Review. Is that not running something? Next silly question? Dave
74 Pyrex : Explain to me why having run a business is a pre-requisite to being a politician, with examples if possible, in 50 words or less. A government is not
75 CastleIsland : It would be silly if a significant percent of the US population didn't find it so significant. Now, I do find it silly in principle, but, unfortunate
76 Jetjack74 : Why? Dumbo is a lovable character. Not many, because 1, they're voting for him over Hillary, and 2, he virtually unknown with no real record in the S
77 N229NW : Nicely put. I'm sick of ridiculous sleaze and smear campaigns on both sides--politics as usual. Neither the right nor left has a monopoly on playing
78 Pe@rson : Indeed. And that the Republicans have officially decried it is proof that repetitively mentioning it was not merely like saying another candidate's w
79 KC135TopBoom : I went to school, too. None of it was Affermative action, I earned my way through school. So he is a lawyer, so what? I can also read the US Constitu
80 Mir : It is absolutely silly. So I don't get why some right-wingers see the need to keep pushing it. It's just his name, let it go. The Democrats are not t
81 DavestanKSAN : What an outlandish and absurd remark. Sources please. Just like your claims that Mrs. Obama is a racist. Which you have yet to source. Dave
82 Platypus : Her actions speak louder than words! First, she insinuates she is finally proud of her nation because her minority husband may become the 1st black p
83 Mir : I have not heard Hillary bring up the middle name issue, which was what that comment was referring to. -Mir
84 Post contains links Platypus : Hilary being behind the Obama picture smear "backfire", was far more vile than referring to this middle name! Yet, it was a Hilary endorser "Bob Kerr
85 Post contains images Aaron747 : Even the people who were against the war in the first place continue to fund it because *someone* sent a bunch of our boys over there and denying the
86 Continental : I'm assuming you know that Jewish is not a race. It's probably not much of an issue with them as they have been assimilated into the "white" group in
87 N521NA : I love it. Just because someone is black and is successful, it is because affirmative action, not because of their intellect and merits, because of c
88 Post contains links and images RJdxer : Hmmmm....is the Harvard Law Review a "for profit" venture? Lets find out. http://www.harvardlawreview.org/about.shtml http://www.harvardlawreview.org
89 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh yea the Dems never do stuff like that. Give me a break. Yep exactly, people seem to forget that this isn't the first time this country or parts of
90 PSA53 : And what exactly are the "Muslim causes"? Are you aware that GWB has managed to singlehandedly transform a secular middle-eastern country into a hotbe
91 DC10extender : And we should vote for him because of this why? Hitler was a great speaker too (not that I'm comparing them, just and example). While that is and imp
92 N521NA : Ok... let's try this again... [Edited 2008-03-01 12:19:18]
93 Mandala499 : Let's see... SDN 1 Menteng = National Primary School #1 at the Menteng borough. National primary schools by law are required to provide religious edu
94 Post contains links and images DavestanKSAN : You're funny RJ. So now you're putting qualifiers on your original question? Changing tones, are we? Here's what you originally asked for. If being P
95 RJdxer : Not at all. As usual since the answer is obvious and doesn't look too good for Obama, you will twist into whatever pretzel form is necessary to try a
96 DavestanKSAN : Of course you are, and it's as plain as day that you are. Here's your original question. Note you didn't ask for running a for-profit business. You s
97 Post contains images Dc10s2hnl : Christ people, why don't you spend your time and energy focusing on things that actually matter to this country?? All these short-sighted people houn
98 Santosdumont : That is a perfectly valid question...sort of a variation on Ross Perot's 1992 central campaign talking point (before he self-destructed). Or what Mik
99 RJdxer : Ok, I can see we are regressing to the 4th grade here so I'll stop. You obviously are going to ignore the point. In a non profit volunteer fashion.
100 JpetekYXMD80 : Why are you constantly trying to minimize accomplishments in that area? I don't see your hangup on Presidential candidates running a for-profit busin
101 Aaron747 : Oh here we go again. State, for the record, what you can actually say the net benefits to US national security, international coalition-building, and
102 Pyrex : Exactly. And with Saddam in place, no matter how bad of a guy he is, those people presented no danger.
103 Post contains images Platypus : This is getting ridiculous! Need I remind the individuals still suffering from GW Bush derangement syndrome, this thread was to discuss the alleged ac
104 RJdxer : Then there are a lot of blind people on this forum. So why bother to bring up anything reason then since you will obviously shoot it down with "that
105 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : So when you're proven wrong, it's regressing to the fourth grade, I see. How am I ignoring the point when you asked a question and I answered? So you
106 Post contains images Platypus : DavestanKSAN Obama's experience pales in comparison to that of the GOP front runners [i.e. Giuliani, Romney and McCain] Giuliani, Ran a city of over 6
107 RJdxer : Yes, I guess it would be to someone acting like a moron. When your mommy told you not to cross the street against the red light, did you ask her "all
108 AirCop : Aren't Rudy and Mitt long gone.. What? This proposal had to pass both houses of government to reach his desk, your statement fails to acknowledge the
109 Post contains images CastleIsland : So the hatred and vitriol goes on and on. Is this the change Obama talks about? We live in a complicated time. There are many terrible and hard issues
110 Dreadnought : I would like to remind people that it is not the GOP that started smearing Obama. - That he was not black enough - That he would not pledge allegience
111 Post contains images RJdxer : Not when the Queen Bee and Senator Lobby can't get their own houses in order. You'll have all sorts of room to spread out in that double wide down in
112 Aaron747 : I rationalize nothing of the sort - only the realpolitik position that fighting "them" needed to happen in more ways than unilateral regime change fr
113 PacNWJet : Just out of curiosity, why are you not concerned that the traditional and also the left-wing faction of the Democratic Party will have enough voice t
114 Seb146 : No, since there are numerous trips Rumsfeld took to visit Saddam in the 1980s pledging support by the United States. There is even a pic of Rummy sha
115 Platypus : Unfortunately, yes! Irrelevant! Has any Democrat, or Liberal Politician accomplished what Romney has regarding Health Care? No! Not, even Hilary Clin
116 Platypus : No, Because he's a strong supporter of National Security. If he wasn't , he'd be a Democrat!
117 Post contains images DavestanKSAN :       Damn RJ, you're a real class act, buddy. Anyway, I guess you just don't have the fortitude to man up and admit you're wrong. Your dancing a
118 AirCop : Do you have a problem with the word bi-partisan? The reports that I read the Mass. legislature took their plan and Romney plan took the best parts an
119 Post contains images Platypus : Would it have been better if we just invaded the Saudis? You guys criticize Bush, when we went to war, with the blessing of congress. Yet, find it in
120 Post contains links Platypus : Absolutely not. Nor does Romney! But Obama and Clinton do. That would be especially true for Obama, who has been determined to be the most liberal me
121 Post contains links RJdxer : Why would they have said yes? Inventories are way up in this country alone. The current price spike is purely speculation buying. Pumping more oil ou
122 Post contains links PacNWJet : Stop the presses: This thread should be re-named "Hillary Clinton Already Starting Her Obama Smear Campaign." From the current issue of The New York T
123 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Of course you did. Care to point out the question you asked earlier on? Was it this: There again with the anything remark. Of all the times I've used
124 Post contains images HALFA : Dave my friend, as my grandma used to say, "he can't see the forest for the trees"! I'm really starting to think he is incapable of rational thought.
125 Baroque : I hope you share my concern for the good reputation of this shy and rare semi-aquatic Australian mammal that has a poisonous spur. Protection of enda
126 Post contains links Platypus : Quoting HALFA (Reply 124): I'm really starting to think he is incapable of rational thought. HALFA, you're a total hypocrite and don't even know it! W
127 RJdxer : Start a new thread, that way maybe you'll be inclined to know what was going on from the beginning instead of just jumping into it in the middle and
128 Post contains links LTBEWR : I wonder when the Republicans or there related support groups will bring out an ad like the infamous 'Willie Horton' ad used against Michael Dukakis i
129 PacNWJet : The Republicans only heard about the Willie Horton case after Al Gore brought it to light in his Democratic Party primary race against Michael Dukaki
130 CALTECH : To all the those crying now, just figure this rhetoric is payback for the last 8 Bush years, which was payback for the 8 Clinton years, which was payb
131 Seb146 : Yeah, you are right. Those darned Democrats trying to uphold the Constitution by perserving the average American's rights. How dare they. What experi
132 N521NA : Uh... he's running a campaign that came back from 20 points down to become the front runner. Have you been living in a cave?
133 Dreadnought : I wish we could get the Mythbusters onto this myth that Bush somehow has eroded the rights of Americans. The only part of the US government that rout
134 Dreadnought : Popularity is not a good measure of leadership ability. Britney Spears was popular too. And Patton was quite unpopular with his troops.[Edited 2008-0
135 Seb146 : The Administration bypassed FISA and told us that it was all for security. So the terrorists would be defeated. But, they could not say anything more
136 N521NA : You're comparing apples and oranges. Do you really think Britney Spears would get as far as Barack Obama in a presidential race just based on popular
137 N521NA : From Article ! Section 8 of the United States Constitution: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to
138 RJdxer : How about this for a start, Commanding the European Theater which meant interfacing with numerous world leaders. Exactly how many world leaders has O
139 Platypus : Can you provide a link showing someone's rights's have been violated, excluding 911 of course! And, of course they couldn't say anything more re. FIS
140 Post contains images N521NA : Right, so he came back from 20 points just because of a speech. His vast grass roots organization and superior money management don't mean anything a
141 Platypus : More credit should be given to the media, which by the way is giving him a free ride, while lambasting Hilary and, GOP candidates.
142 Dreadnought : Name one American - just one - whose rights were denied him by the Bush Administration because of that policy. Does that also mean that we lose the r
143 N521NA : What does that have to do with Democrats wanting to increase taxes? We have a Republican president and for a long time had a Republican congress and
144 Post contains images HALFA : The point of the referenced FOX video was to show their news anchors (Doocy, from the A.M. Fox and Friends show, and Gibson, the afternoon anchorman)
145 RJdxer : So you are going to totally discount the ABC factor? He didn't invent raising money by using the internet, Howard Dean would get a lot of that credit
146 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Me, wasting everyone's time? Hilarious coming from you. Utterly ridiculous. Funny how you skip over the rest of my post there RJ. And that's the seco
147 Post contains images HALFA : RJdxer, it's another beautiful day here in paradise and I'm going to the beach. When I get back from the beach I'm going to pack my suitcase as I'm l
148 JpetekYXMD80 : Miserable much?
149 Post contains images Platypus : Yet, it does not show clips of Fox clarifying it later! That clip was only created to spin the truth buddy! It is constructed reminiscent to that of
150 RJdxer : Enjoy, be careful. Nope.
151 Seb146 : Ah! That is the beauty of the Administration. They can hide behind "National Security" and do whatever they want. All that information is classified
152 Platypus : Seb146 With all due respect. You can't provide, nor find one single shread of evidence to back up your baseless claim that Bush is doing anything ille
153 RJdxer : The all probably dealt with several. All were Governors of States and so would have been sniffing around overseas looking for foreign investments. Ma
154 Dreadnought : You are avoiding the question. You say Americans have lost their rights. Name one. Do you have any evidence that the appropriate congressional commit
155 N521NA : Name one terrorist - just one - who was caught by the Bush Administration because of that policy.
156 Dreadnought : Don't care, and it doesn't matter anyway - the purpose was not catch-and-convict, it is intercept-and-stop, and the CIA claims that numerous plots ha
157 N521NA : They also claimed there were WMDs in Iraq. Do you believe everything the government tells you?[Edited 2008-03-02 19:25:58]
158 Post contains links Dreadnought : They have testified to that effect before Congress, and I expect that Congress was satisfied with the evidence, since they have agreed to renew the F
159 Post contains links Platypus : Seb146, These are Bill Clinton's Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick's words when she testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14
160 Seb146 : That is what FISA was set up for. FISA is oversight to make sure the law, with regard to warrants, is upheld. FISA gives the option of retroactive wa
161 Post contains links RJdxer : Not what you said. You asked: To which I responded that as Governors of States they most likely would have had dealings with any number of foreign le
162 Seb146 : Gore had military experience. Kerry had military experience. Bush II did not. Cheney did not. Yet, Bush/Cheney were elected and re-elected. Also, the
163 RJdxer : They are not running, Senator McCain and Senator Obama are. Send him an email showing your support. Yet people are taking this Congressman, who far l
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