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How Much "Foreign" US Military Hardware?  
User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States, joined Aug 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Note: I'm not interested in rehashing the USAF tanker deal. I am also not interested in debating the merits or faults of domestic or foreign military procurement.

The tanker contract did make me wonder how much of the US miltary hardware in current, general use is derived from foreign designs. I understand that most (all?) weaponry/hardware is assembled in the USA, but I'm interested in the actual country of origin.

Off the top of my head, just in weapons, I can think of:

M249 SAW - based on the FN MINIMI (Belgium)
M240 - FN MAG (Belgium again)
M9 pistol - Beretta 92 (Italy)

Wikipedia (which may be wrong, of course) also says:

Heckler & Koch MP5 - various units (Germany)
SIG P226 - USCG (Switzerland/Germany)
Glock 19 - USAF pilot sidearms (Austria)

I'm sure the resident A.net military experts have more examples.

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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5468 times:

I believe the US forces use two Swedish anti-tank weapons, the M136 (AT4) and the M3 MAAWS (Carl Gustaf) are made in Sweden, by a Swedish/British company.

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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 961 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5463 times:

Off the top of my head:

Marines: Harrier (Brit)
Coast Guard: CN-235 (Spanish, now euro)
Presidential helicopter: based on Brit-Italian EH-101
The main gun on the M1 Abrams is a German Rheinmetall unit.

User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5457 times:

Aimpoint sights are made in Sweden

User currently offlineMoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5436 times:

Off the top of my head...

T-45 Goshawk (BAE Hawk - UK)
AV-8 Harrier II (BAE Harrier - UK)
M1A1 Abrahms Chobham Armour (UK)
UH-72A Lakota (Eurocopter - EADS)
DHC-4 Caribou (Canada)
DHC-5 Buffalo (Canada)
C-31A Troopship (Fokker - Germany)
C-27 Spartan (Italy)
B-57 Canberra (UK)
C-38 Courier (Israel)
Agusta A109 (Italy)
HH-65 Dolphin (Eurocopter)
VH-71 Kestrel (Italy/UK)

Not an exhaustive list by any means.

User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5418 times:



Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Thread starter):
M249 SAW - based on the FN MINIMI (Belgium)
M240 - FN MAG (Belgium again)

Isn't the new FN SCAR weapon also coming into service these days?

http://www.boltsniper.com/BS-8/Images/SCAR3.JPG

And I know that the FN P90 is also bought by the US, could be that it only serves with the SS, not 100% sure.



Also didn't they use some really odd types in their fleet

-Antonov transporter
-Mil helicopter (type 8?)
-Fokker friendship (Para-training) ?


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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From Afghanistan, joined Mar 2005, 2888 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Many people who be amazed at what foreign pieces of hardware, the US military possesses, for studying and dissecting purposes.

Things you would not even expect, but it's all perfectly logical. The US military makes it their business to be fully apprised of what other countries are fielding. No doubt other nations are doing the same with US technology, albeit on a smaller scale.

-UH60

User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Most of the ammo that US soldiers use in Iraq and afghanistan in their firearms come from Norway ( bullets for machine guns and so fort Sad The " Raufoss Mk 211 " : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211


NASAMS ( (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) ) is curently guarding your Whitehouse. US forces has also lent several NASAMS for deployment in Iraq. The US is working on a version of thier own of this equipment in cooperation with the Norwegioan developers. You can read more about NASAMS here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS



The Penguin anti-ship missile (U.S. designation AGM-119):



Read about the Penguin here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_%28missile%29


The Naval Strike Missile (NSM):



There are plans to develop a multi-role version of the NSM, with ground strike being an option. This missile will be integrated with the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II "Joint Strike Fighter", and might be integrated with the Eurofighter and the JAS 39 Gripen as well. Studies have shown that the F-35 would be able to carry two of these in its internal bays, while additional missiles could be carried externally.

According to Kongsberg, this "multi-role NSM" is the only anti-ship missile that will fit inside the F-35's internal bays. Lockheed Martin and Kongsberg have signed a joint-marketing agreement for this air-launched version of the NSM, called the Joint Strike Missile (JSM). The project is funded by Norway and Australia. The JSM is planned to feature a two-way communications line, so that the missile can communicate with the central control room or other missiles in the air. By September 2007 the missile development is still only at the planning stage


Protector M151:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECTOR_M151


Tank Urban Survival Kit for M1A2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abra...s#Tank_Urban_Survival_Kit_for_M1A2


Norwegian Intelligence Service

Norwegian Intelligence Service is considered to be one of the most elaborate Intelligence Services in the world, technically advanced speaking amd has provided US soldiers with alot of inteligence information for atleast 50 years.

This has alot to do with Norway's location in the world. it was involved in the Cold War, in the Falklands war, the Gulf War, Kosovo and to this day Afganistan and Iraq and no doubt numourous other conflicts.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Intelligence_Service


Heavy Water:

You may perhaps also find heavy water from Norway in US Nuclear weapons, but this is something I am not sure of.

User currently onlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 2790 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5355 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
C-31A Troopship (Fokker - Germany)

Go brush your mouth. Fokker is (was) Dutch!  Wink


Also Dutch, the radar on the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates.


All hail the hypnotoad!
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 11113 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

The F-35 is a US aircraft, but with varying levels of foreign equipment.
Most notably on the F-35B, the VSTOL version.
With it's R/R Lift Fan, as well as some avionics and some quite major airframe parts.
It's not a collaborative project like the Typhoon, but it's kind of a level below that.
A first for a US military combat type.

Then the Italian G-222 was in US service, now in it's modernised form set to be in US service again.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States, joined Jul 1999, 28616 posts, RR: 73
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

The commo system I was trained to use was developed from a French system, and one of the LOS radios was made by Ericson.

Just my little list.

the 20mm gun-Oberlikon
The 40mm gun, Bofers
The LAV-25-Austria via Canada
The Stryker-Austria via Canada
The Goshawk-Britian
The Pratts on all of the smaller trasports like the T1 are from Pratt&Whitney Canada
The USCG Alex Haley-Built in Belfast, converted in the US but it was built in Belfast.
The US Marines operate the Kubelwagon from germany-they couldn't get a Humvee to fit in their choppers
The Harrier
The 76 MM deck gun from Italy
The Osprey class ships are from a Vosper Thornycraft design.
The 110 foot Island USCG cutters are also a Vosper design
The FN-MAG-Belgium
The FN-Mini-Belgium
The M-9 Italy
The M-10 is a Sig.
The AT-4
The special forces also use the Carl Gustof
I think that new USCG cutter is using the Bofers 57mm as it's main gun

Opps, forgot the new deuce and half and five ton trucks that S&S are building are from an Austrian design. Over the entire army that is a hell of a lot trucks.

[Edited 2008-03-02 10:46:09]


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 10419 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5254 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
The US Marines operate the Kubelwagon from germany-they couldn't get a Humvee to fit in their choppers

Sure it is not the Mercedes-Benz / Puch G-wagon? (an Austrian design built for Mercedes and e.g. used by rthe Bundeswehr).
The G-wagon is a real off road vehicle (though pricey), while the Kuebelwagen is essentially a VW Beetle with a different body.

Jan

User currently offlineL-188 From United States, joined Jul 1999, 28616 posts, RR: 73
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5241 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
The G-wagon is a real off road vehicle (though pricey), while the Kuebelwagen is essentially a VW Beetle with a different body

DOOH!!!

You are correct sir!

At least I didn't try and call it a Kettenkrad!


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 8435 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Thread starter):
M9 pistol - Beretta 92 (Italy)

nope.. sorry... made in New Jersey

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
AV-8 Harrier II (BAE Harrier - UK

I though the USMC flew the McD design

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
Agusta A109 (Italy)

Since when did the US Military fly the A109 Agusta...? (OK.. USGC - but they are not part of the military anymore Dept of Homeland Security)

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
UH-72A Lakota (Eurocopter - EADS)

Nothing but quality there.......!!!

[Edited 2008-03-02 15:02:24]


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Heckler & Koch are delivering quite a few weapons for the US military like the MK23, USP Tactical, P9S, P11 ZUB, UMP, HK 416...

pelican

User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States, joined Aug 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5132 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
nope.. sorry... made in New Jersey

Right, I figured that most hardware is actually manufactured in the United States. I was just trying to come up with an idea of where the original designs come from.

User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5112 times:
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