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Eco-terrorists Burn 5 Dream Houses Near Seattle  
User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2029 times:

This is about three miles from my house - out in the boonies NE of Seattle. The same group set another couple of houses under construction on fire out here several years ago but nothing like this. This is massive.

http://www.komotv.com/news/16178002.html

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...reet_dreams_fires_LJ.1a79d3a7.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23447353

The houses were all about 4200-4700sf and were fully furnished as model homes with high-end furnishings, appliances and decor. Fortunately nobody was living in them. They were Street of Dreams homes - they are open to the public for a fee for several weeks and they are furnished and decorated with the latest high-end trends. Past Streets of Dreams have been very ostentatious and this year's was a bit of an exception. The houses were a bit smaller and were definitely more green.

It is ironic that the ELF would choose this development to burn, when it is one that is moving in the right direction. It's not fully there, of course, but it does display a trend toward more environmental awareness. It is also ironic that by buring down these houses, the group caused pollutants to be released into the atmosphere and surrounding forest, part of the forest was burned, and resources were wasted. How is that environmentall friendly?

I have some understanding of why the group would do this - there are always groups that feel that their message is necessary and it is not being heard, so desperate measures have to be taken to make people hear. But not like this. Violence, vandalism, and arson are never the answer.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2010 times:

There are eco-terrorists out there, and this is a terrible example of extremism from the left. This is a free country. People do have the right to drive what they want, build what they want, and they should do so free from fear that just because they don't see eye to eye with ecoextremists, that they'll lose their property.

They can make their point without destroying property of others. In this case, I'm going to end up on the same side as L-188, with no equivocation, but so be it. These people are lunatics.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3004 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2000 times:
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Times like this i despair for the human race...

Ok so, "green" model homes are burned down by a so called "environmental" group because they aren't green?

ERROR!
does not compute
does not compute
....
(smell of melted electronics)

Seriously, these people need a new hobby.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1988 times:

I propose that when these losers are caught, they are promptly set on fire. The problem is that for some reason, finding these people is like hunting down Osama. These eco-terrorists, rarely, if ever, get caught. These terrorists blend in so well in a state like Washington though -- flannel-clad, gender-neutral, and vegetarian  Wink .

[Edited 2008-03-03 10:04:43]


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1974 times:

It's probably more to do with the fact that these eco terrorists probably live in a van and could never afford a house like that in their lifetime.


Word
User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1960 times:

Eco and Terrorist in the same phrase? Now that is sure hard to believe....

When they find out how much carbon dioxide the house released when it was lit then they'll regret it...


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1954 times:



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
Ok so, "green" model homes are burned down by a so called "environmental" group because they aren't green?

I doubt they even realize rebuilding the homes will end with the consumption of even more resources and materials. Nevermind all the trees killed by the paperwork generated by the insurance companies and criminal investigations. Talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Morons.


User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1951 times:



Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 5):
Eco and Terrorist in the same phrase? Now that is sure hard to believe....

What... have you not heard of Greenpeace?

 duck 



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1926 times:



Quoting AC320 (Reply 6):
I doubt they even realize rebuilding the homes will end with the consumption of even more resources and materials.

That's the problem, if they had the ability to think, they wouldn't be environmental wackos in the first place.



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1906 times:

Given the way the real estate market's been going, the developer might be better off with the houses gone.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1899 times:



Quoting PROSA (Reply 9):
Given the way the real estate market's been going, the developer might be better off with the houses gone.

Indeed, I would not be surprised to find out later that ELF had nothing to do with this. We have already had plenty of arson fires around California directly related to people trying to get rid of their money losing investments.

(This is in no way meaning to support ELF)


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1843 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
I would not be surprised to find out later that ELF had nothing to do with this. We have already had plenty of arson fires around California directly related to people trying to get rid of their money losing investments.

It is a possibility. The burned houses have been sitting unsold since last summer. In prior years, they would often sell before the event was over. So far though the spotlight is on ELF.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

The actions of these low-life scumbags is not very Zen either.
Perhaps they need to read up on that.
It is violence, period and they should be locked up for their actions.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17415 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1793 times:



Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
Ok so, "green" model homes are burned down by a so called "environmental" group because they aren't green?

Would they burn Gore's house? It's pretty big Wink.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1781 times:



Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 11):
The burned houses have been sitting unsold since last summer. In prior years, they would often sell before the event was over. So far though the spotlight is on ELF.

Holding costs for these large homes can run about $10K/month, w/o counting maintenance costs. Personally I did a little study here in the Sacramento market, and was shocked (to say the least) that about 80% of the very large homes here were built in the last 5 years. And these were 'speculative' homes, or homes that were built w/o a buyer available.

There are just not that many people in the world to absorb this quantity of mansions available.

I think ELF is a  redflag 


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1729 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 14):
I think ELF is a  redflag 

Well, consider that these are showcase homes, and were built by multiple builders. I can't see five builders going through with such a plan - especially when these houses have won awards. I would think that if it was a builder they would torch a development that was less in the spotlight so they would be more likely to get away with it. In contrast, this is exactly the sort of development that would get high publicity for ELF. So to me, it seems most likely that it is ELF. But I cannot disregard your idea.



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

These eco-terrorists need to stop. When I am in YVR I live in a very large house (by some standards) BUT because it was recently built we had the option of getting high end/engergy saving technology. It costs about the same to run out house as it did when we lived in a place that was around 1,500 square feet smaller. That house is around 10 years old now. The difference in technology over the last few years has been dramatic. These idiotic eco-terrorists should concentrate on things that actually affect this world, rather then petty little things.


Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Some years ago I passed our neighbouring village on the way back home from work. I noticed a huge smoke cloud and decided to investigate. Down a few streets I found a barn full of hay on fire, with the local voluntary fire brigade just spraying the neighbouring houses to prevent the fire from expanding, else they were standing there, eating sausages and drinking beer brought to them by some wives.
They were definitely not happy to see a stranger there, also the owner of the farm looked not really worried.
I assume (but have no proof) that the fire was laid on purpose for an insurance scam.
Anyway, having seen the dirty looks I received when I went there, I made myself scarce.

Jan


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Here are some pictures.





And this is good for the environment how? Look at all that firefighting foam - and that's only the most obvious pollutant!



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

So....

The only house that was sale pending had the explosive device 'malfunction'...

hmm... scratchchin 

"Hoffman said fire officials told him a fourth house was spared because an arson device inside it didn't go off. That house, Seattle Home Design's La Belle Fleur, recently went pending with a buyer, and would have been the first of the five to sell, he said"

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/353498_arson04.html


User currently offlineLobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1688 times:



Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 18):
Look at all that firefighting foam - and that's only the most obvious pollutant!

Actually, AFFF (aqueous fire fighting foam) is non-hazardous, bio-degradable.


I think it's funny that they burn down five houses as a way of a "protest", yet the chemical reactions from the fire and the materials used surely did more damage to the environment then having the house there to be lived in.

Terrorists, pure and simple.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1673 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 19):
The only house that was sale pending had the explosive device 'malfunction'...

Well, that is interesting! But I will wait and see. (I know you will too but it's interesting to speculate.)

Quoting Lobster (Reply 20):
Terrorists, pure and simple.

Don't forget dumbasses.

Quoting Lobster (Reply 20):
AFFF (aqueous fire fighting foam) is non-hazardous, bio-degradable.

Thanks, that is good to know.



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Instead of burning down these houses, perhaps they should have broken in and lived in them. Still illegal, but get the point across about the crises in affordable housing. I do hope, but have doubts, that these terrorists - that's what they are - get long jail sentences in a Federal jail.

User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Not to defend any particular group here, but most everyone here, except, apparently AndesSMF, has assumed that eco-terrorists are involved. How difficult would it be for disgruntled investors, losing $$$ hand over fist, to plant markers at the scene. Why was the next to sell spared? Perhaps some additional factual information is in order before we cast guilt? Hell no; this is just an internet forum.

All I'm saying is, apparently, people love to trust the media when it's convenient, and rail on it when it is not. Very well done.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 23):
Not to defend any particular group here, but most everyone here, except, apparently AndesSMF, has assumed that eco-terrorists are involved.

When the buildings are branded with the ELF initials and the law enforcement agencies believe it is them, it's good enough for me, especially considering their past behavior. Sure, it may come out that it wasn't them, but it's not like the people here were the ones that came to the ELF conclusion. And it was not just the media, but law enforcement and others involved who came to the ELF conclusion.

[Edited 2008-03-03 17:00:54]


Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
25 CastleIsland : Let's face it, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck," is not typically bad advice. But I don't see that language in
26 Post contains images Newark777 : I agree with you completely that they are innocent until proven guilty, but it is unfair to hold an internet forum up to the same standards as a cour
27 Post contains images CastleIsland : Well, I hold any discussion up to the same standard I use at any social gathering: Do I have anything in common with this person? Do I really want to
28 Post contains images Newark777 : Sounds like a plan to me.
29 767Lover : Well, has the ELF denied responsibility?
30 Aerobalance : Nothing wrong with that! I thought ELF calmed down after an arrest of one of their head guys down here a few years ago (burned some Hummers and such)
31 Post contains images L-188 : Get out of the heat...come over to the dark side..... Screw the CO2, think of all the plastics in the carpet and varnishes that are burning up. Do th
32 Lobster : Hell, when I was in fire school ten years ago they told us it was made from chicken guts. I do remember the old stuff they had really was nasty thoug
33 L-188 : I remember as a kid, my next door neighbor hosing down his yard with an expired lot of the stuff, great lawn fertilizer apparently.
34 Post contains images Newark777 : So not only does it not harm the environment, it helps it.
35 Analog : So what's right wing extremism? Al-Qaeda?
36 PROSA : I doubt that the builders were responsible, but it's quite reasonable to guess that they are not entirely displeased with the results.
37 Seb146 : I was wondering the same thing. What is "right wing extremeism?" I heard on several reports there were bed sheets spray painted (imagine the CFCs inv
38 CJAContinental : So, eco terrorists have burned down some houses that looked to have required a lot of financial investment and time to build. Did they consider the fa
39 CastleIsland : In case you missed my entire point, eco terrorists are SUSPECTS in these fires (and reasonable suspects they are). When did you become judge and jury
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