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Do Drugs Help You Find God?  
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEOpkeLopJixolK1-9AQ_zNeWe5g

JERUSALEM (AFP) - High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.

Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
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He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.


Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?


wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

If you take too much of them at one time....yes  Wink Big grin

User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5811 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1791 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?

What he says is perfectly plausible. I'd go for this rather than any supernatural explanation. Somehow I don't think a lot of people will be buying it though . . .


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9516 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1775 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.

that's a shame, waste of a perfectly good high.

Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Is it all fevered imagination or did it really happen?

has it happened since?  Smile



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1757 times:



Quoting Stlgph (Reply 4):
has it happened since?

I'm not aware of further commandments... well apart from the recent and oft contested "thou shall not point thy camera at yonder sky chariot"



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1740 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
To be honest drugs normally help me find the floor more so than god.

Myt, you have to go in the hat for the most honest post of the year. It certainly seems to be what happens with alcohol down under. Then again, it is difficult living upside down. Big grin


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I think prison is the place most people find God, or at least that is what they say at the parole hearing.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1738 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times

This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether...  Smile

Kay


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1728 times:



Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times

This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether..

Or then again there is Geriniol:

"The Dangers Of Gerin Oil

Richard Dawkins writes about a dangerous drug: Opiate of the masses.

Gerin oil (or Geriniol to give it its scientific name) is a powerful drug which acts directly on the central nervous system to produce a range of characteristic symptoms, often of an antisocial or self- damaging nature. If administered chronically in childhood, Gerin oil can permanently modify the brain to produce adult disorders, including dangerous delusions which have proved very hard to treat.

The four doomed flights of 11th September were, in a very real sense, Gerin oil trips: all 19 of the hijackers were high on the drug at the time. Historically, Geriniol intoxication was responsible for atrocities such as the Salem witch hunts and the massacres of native South Americans by conquistadores. Gerin oil fuelled most of the wars of the European middle ages and, in more recent times, the carnage that attended the partitioning of the Indian subcontinent and, on a smaller scale, Ireland.

If you're not familiar with Gerin Oil, read more about it here."


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

I don't know about God but my girlfriend's zipper has helped me find the Promised Land.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Lenny Bruce once supposedly said about his drug addiction:

I'll die young but it's like kissing God.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineBagpiper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1699 times:



Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
This may very well be the final answer to the subject of religion altogether...

Oh, so all the effects I have personally seen of God working in my life or other people's lives is just all of us being high together, eh?

Nah - you know what you said isn't true.

I've got a fire hose by me to put myself out after I catch on fire from the flaming to ensue.


User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1681 times:



Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 12):
Oh, so all the effects I have personally seen of God working in my life or other people's lives is just all of us being high together, eh?

I respect your opinion, many of my close ones have exactly the same. Since I am sceptical, yes I have strong suspiscions sometimes that what was written so many years ago is not entirely true and distorted with time.

Kay


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1655 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
all 19 of the hijackers were high on the drug at the time.

And Dawkins knows this...how?



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1633 times:



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
And Dawkins knows this...how?

Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Did we really need a professor to tell us that they were all absolutely off their faces when this religion thing was dreamt up? Perhaps now The Life of Brian should be re-written with a few added mind altering scenes  silly 


Dan  Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1598 times:



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...

My first thought was that it was time (aging, geriatric..)


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1593 times:



Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):

Interesting, though some are going to say that if it's true then God created it so that we could "see the light".

The "drug" that got me closest to "finding God" was Sub-atomic Physics. It just got so weird that, from time to time, I'd put the books down and decide that if I just believed "God did it" I wouldn't have to hurt my brain so much. Ultimately, however, it didn't prove to be as strong as Geriniol, which I haven't taken since I was about 12.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1589 times:



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):

Thanks...for the answer, and the vague tinge of sarcasm in the reply.



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1549 times:



Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 14):
And Dawkins knows this...how?

Ummm...Geriniol is an anagram of religion...



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 19):
Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):

Thanks...for the answer, and the vague tinge of sarcasm in the reply.

There is of course an argument that the Sept 11 lot were not in fact on Geriniol but a cheap and dangerous synthetic substitute. That is a matter for concern and debate. On the link posted, the last word in the quotation given "here" is a link to more on the topic.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

No, I do not take drugs. So that is my final answer.

Kinghunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1526 times:



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 10):
I don't know about God but my girlfriend's zipper has helped me find the Promised Land.

What you need to drug up your woman before the fun begins? Come on Foils  Wink



Go big or go home
User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

I have never done drugs. That's probably why I've never found God. Hopefully He finds me when I kark it.  Smile

I'm still looking, though. Does it mean that I should start smoking pot?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1506 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 23):

I'm still looking, though. Does it mean that I should start smoking pot?

No, keep away and he will find you faster than you know it.

Kinghunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
25 Post contains images WunalaYann : Hey, maybe He has already found me but wants to make a surprise. As Kenny says in the eponymous movie, I cannot really say I believe in God because I
26 MCOflyer : Well WunalaYann, you will know when he has. I certainly did. Kinghunter
27 Baroque : According to the news tonight WunalaY now is your chance, courtesy of Mr Howard and Mr Bush. Record amounts of heroin coming into Australia from Afgh
28 Post contains images WunalaYann : I shall pass on this, um, golden opportunity... By looking at the dates of the next Snoop Dog concerts. That's me. As Simon Pegg says in Hot Fuzz, I
29 TheSorcerer : Rough estimates? When the price on the streets starts to fall, you know the market is being saturated. That's just my guess. Dom
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