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Jewish Seminary In Jerusalem Attacked  
User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

From CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/06/mideast/index.html


JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Several people were killed Thursday in what Israeli police are calling a "severe terrorist attack" at a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem.


Ambulance workers put one of the casualties from the seminary attack into an ambulance.

1 of 3 Video from the scene showed a frantic crowd of rescue workers carrying bloodied victims into ambulances. Dozens of police officers were scouring the campus and surrounding streets.

Police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said: "They opened fire on innocent youngsters studying. A number of students have been killed.

"We are still searching the building for the possibility of a second terrorist still in the building." Watch the immediate aftermath of the attack »

CNN's Ben Wedeman in Gaza reported celebratory shooting shortly after the attack.

An ambulance spokesman told CNN eight people died in the attack. A police spokesman said one attacker was dead. It was not immediately clear if the dead attacker was included in the casualty figures put out by the ambulance service.

In the minutes after the attack the reported number of wounded varied from six to 35."


My wifes cousin is a teacher there and we know he made it out OK. We are waiting to hear more from him.

I say we blow Gaza away. You can't beat terrorists with diplomacy, only with what they know.

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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

There was no immediate claim of responsibility, though Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said the group "blesses the heroic operation in Jerusalem, which was a natural reaction to the Zionist massacre."

Its interesting that a student with a rifle shot one of the terrorists in the head from a nearby rooftop.

Yitzhak Dadon, a student, said he was armed with a rifle and was able to shoot one of the attackers from the roof of a nearby building. "He came out of the library spraying automatic fire. ... The terrorist came to the entrance and I shot him twice in the head," he said.

[Edited 2008-03-06 12:54:24]

User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 1):
Its interesting that a student with a rifle shot one of the terrorists in the head from a nearby rooftop.

My understanding is that Israel is filled with armed security guards.

Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
CNN's Ben Wedeman in Gaza reported celebratory shooting shortly after the attack.

Nice people... sarcastic 


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1822 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 1):
Its interesting that a student with a rifle shot one of the terrorists in the head from a nearby rooftop.

My understanding is that Israel is filled with armed security guards.

I believe that in the settlements most men carry guns. I don't believe that's true in Jerusalem though.

The article did state "student" not guard, although the press has been known to get things wrong.  Smile


User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
CNN's Ben Wedeman in Gaza reported celebratory shooting shortly after the attack.

Nice people... sarcastic

Can bullets speak? How can you define celebratory shooting? It's a war zone out there what a journalist can mistake for so called "celebratory shooting" can also be from an actual gunfight.

May those who perished, rest in peace....

Regards.

[Edited 2008-03-06 13:19:49]

User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1818 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away.

But risk taking innocent civilians in the process? Surely there is another way...


User currently offlineKL773ER From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

I just heard about it a few minutes ago and is sad news. May truth and justice prevail over the attackers. My tefillot (prayers) go out to the families.

-KL


User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1799 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away

Why would someone living thousands of miles away want to see poor and starving Gaza blown away? I think they have already suffered too much.

Israel has massacred 125 Gazans and many of them were children. Is Palestinian blood cheaper than Jewish blood? Israel should understand that it is still a brutal occupying nation. What goes around comes around...



Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1797 times:



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
My understanding is that Israel is filled with armed security guards.

Especially in Jerusalem.

This is obviously an attempt to derail the peace talks. It is sad that there are people who will try and plunge the region into conflict and bloodshed at the expense of innocents.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1792 times:



Quoting RJAF (Reply 7):
Israel should understand that it is still a brutal occupying nation.

I don't understand. Occupying gaza? Or was that statement in regard to their existence in the region?

And it continues with an attack on an Israeli military patrol and a crew that went to the rescue.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23498545/

Its a nasty cycle.


User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1786 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 9):
don't understand. Occupying gaza? Or was that statement in regard to their existence in the region?

Israel has the right to exist alongside a viable Palestinian state. That's the only way to have peace in my opinion. Everyone has suffered too much.



Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1781 times:



Quoting RJAF (Reply 10):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 9):
don't understand. Occupying gaza? Or was that statement in regard to their existence in the region?

Israel has the right to exist alongside a viable Palestinian state. That's the only way to have peace in my opinion. Everyone has suffered too much.

I agree. I just didn't know that Israel was occupying Gaza. They certainly have a controversial blockade, but I thought it is Hamas occupied now.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1771 times:



Quoting RJAF (Reply 10):
Israel has the right to exist alongside a viable Palestinian state. That's the only way to have peace in my opinion. Everyone has suffered too much.

That would be the logical thing. However, for groups like Hamas and Fatah, the only thing they want is to push Israel into the sea.



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User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 11):
I just didn't know that Israel was occupying Gaza

No, not lately. Instead of occupation, Gaza is probably worse off with an almost total blockade. Controled borders, closed sea port, a destroyed and closed airport etc... Gaza is like a big prison. Hamas' radical views also don't help the situation. Religious zealots and hardliners on both sides are the obstacles to peace.



Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1732 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):

I say we blow Gaza away.

And continue with the same vicious cycle of mutual terrorism? No thanks.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1716 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away.

What does it have to do with Gaza, JFK69?

The attack occurred in West Jerusalem and early indications are that it was carried out by an offshoot of Hezbollah - and is claimed to be revenge for last month's assassination of Imad Mughnieh, who was Lebanese but was living in Syria. There appears to be no reason to connect it with Gaza in any way.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...story/0,25197,23334391-601,00.html

Israel's problem is with the whole of the Middle East. Gaza is only a tiny, almost inconsiderable, part of that problem.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Yet another act of unneeded violence, but to be honest it was hard not to see this one coming, with the blockade and recent bombing in Gaza. This attack was a direct result of Israel's recent policies, and it just goes to show that collective punishment does nothing but make more enemies for Israel.

Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away. You can't beat terrorists with diplomacy, only with what they know.

Over a hundred Gazans, a third of which are children, were killed over the past week. I don't see you calling for Tel Aviv to be bombed. But, I guess Palestinian blood is worth less than Jewish blood to you.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Nice people...

I'm sure they won't exactly be mourning when Israel has been bombing the hell out of Gaza for the past week.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1704 times:



Quoting QR332 (Reply 16):
This attack was a direct result of Israel's recent policies

Which of course is a direct result of the missiles being fired into Israel, which is a direct result of....and so on and so on and so on...


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12570 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1696 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away.

Ah, the enlightened approach to the World's problems. Were you equally upset at Israel killing over 120 Palestinians in the last few days? Ah, they were "dealing" with terrorists firing rockets, which led to the Israeli incursion, which led to this attack, which will lead to another Israeli reprisal, which will lead to... Repeat ad infinitum.

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 11):
I just didn't know that Israel was occupying Gaza. They certainly have a controversial blockade, but I thought it is Hamas occupied now.

The Israelis just pay a brief visit now and again and kill a few Palestinians. Which leads to a Palestinian retaliation, which inevitably leads to an Israeli revenge attack, which leads to... Repeat ad infinitum.

There's a bit of a pattern if you look hard enough.

This attack can hardly have come as a surprise to anyone. Really.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1678 times:



Quoting QR332 (Reply 16):
I'm sure they won't exactly be mourning when Israel has been bombing the hell out of Gaza for the past week.

Should we count how many rockets Hamas has been sending over to Israel for months now?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1666 times:



Quoting RJAF (Reply 7):
Why would someone living thousands of miles away want to see poor and starving Gaza blown away? I think they have already suffered too much.

Israel has massacred 125 Gazans and many of them were children. Is Palestinian blood cheaper than Jewish blood? Israel should understand that it is still a brutal occupying nation. What goes around comes around...



Quoting QR332 (Reply 16):
Yet another act of unneeded violence, but to be honest it was hard not to see this one coming

You see the reasons, right in these answers, why peace may be impossible. Instead of condemnation and "let's stop this slaughter of civilians on BOTH sides", we get "what goes around comes around and "but to be honest it was hard not to see this one coming."

Seems like the people in the region don't WANT to stop the vicious cycle. It's endless, and it seems no one ever gets enough of it, despite their protestations otherwise.

Instead of "what goes around comes around", RJAF, how about "let's stop this nonsense once and for all!". Or is that asking too much?


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1661 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):

Seems like the people in the region don't WANT to stop the vicious cycle. It's endless, and it seems no one ever gets enough of it, despite their protestations otherwise.

I agree 100% here. Children are bred to hate one side or the other. So when they grow up it's second nature to them. It reminds me of the KKK assholes in the South, they brainwash their kids with corrupt beliefs. The cycle starts with the children; in contrast though, the cycle CAN end with the children...



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1637 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
I say we blow Gaza away.

Not to pick on you specifically, but that's the kind of mentality we need to avoid. As AA61 states, both sides are breathing hatred, and the cycle must stop. There are terrorists on both sides of the fence, whether on the streets or in government doesn't matter. A radical cultural change needs to take place soon, and again it's both sides at fault, both of them have blood in their hands.

My biggest gripe is that the longer politicians and militia leaders keep fueling the fire, more and more innocent Palestinians and Israelis will continue to die. This loss of life is nonsense.

RIP to the victims on both sides.

Charles


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2615 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
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The Palestinian people had a choice when they voted for their elected officials and they voted to be represented by the terrorist organization of Hamas. Bad choice.

Hamas gleefully lobs hundreds of rockets into Israeli territories every month with reckless abandon. No one else on earth would just sit back and let themselves be a constant target of attack, without standing up and defending themselves------but there is a clear double-standard when Israel defends herself----just because she is Jewish.

The government of Israel is not perfect----no government is.
But, if you cannot criticize Israel without demonizing her----you are an anti-semite.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 16):
I guess Palestinian blood is worth less than Jewish blood to you.

Well, you can bet the media will always show wailing Palestinian women holding up their bloody babies for a photo-op, but you will NEVER, EVER see a photo-op of the Jewish women holding up their bloody babies.

There is more than just a little bit of anti-semitism amongst the media.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1615 times:



Quoting RJAF (Reply 7):
What goes around comes around...

And it will eventually come back and hit the Palestinians. That doesn't solve anything.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 23):
But, if you cannot criticize Israel without demonizing her----you are an anti-semite.

Criticizing the Jewish people is anti-semitic, and I don't hear much of that. Criticizing the actions of Israel's government is completely fair.

Let's not throw the label of anti-semitism around just because it sounds really condemning.

-Mir



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25 ImperialEagle : It is what its is. Exactly, -----as I said---- its the demonizing that isn't.
26 Falcon84 : Exactly. And where does it stop, RJAF? Why not make it stop right there, instead of demanding revenge, or celebrating in the street. The day there wi
27 A380US : Well mostly everyone in Israel goes to the army and many of these men went already, and even while your in the army you can be learning and have a we
28 Kachum : Falcon, do you think you can send both sides to hell from your observer's position? Kind of like America did when WWII started? That worked really we
29 Falcon84 : 1. That makes no sense whatsoever. 2. What's your point?
30 Kmh1956 : Amen to that! Rather than rejoicing at the senseless (yes, senseless) killing of Palestinians or these religious scholars in Israel, perhaps it's tim
31 Post contains images Baroque : Just as long as it is a two way stop sign. Both sides only want the other to stop.
32 A380US : Alos from what thye told us in school is that after the attacks they (Israel) coulnt send there ambulences (or many) in right away. The reason is beca
33 Falcon84 : Again, the lack of condemnatiaon from our Arab friends on this forum, for this senseless attack on Israeli citizens is deafening in it's silence, and
34 RJAF : I'm against the killings of ANY civilian from both sides. Let's see our Israeli sympathiser friends on this forum condemn the recent Israeli killing
35 Fumanchewd : Are you kidding me? After the war? What happened to Egypt after they were the ONLY arab country to give diplomatic relations? (Jordan did not until 1
36 JFK69 : Well that is the problem. It is not 125 innocent Palestinians. It is mostly Hamas members with some innocent victims mixed in. I condemn the killings
37 RJAF : Not sure what's your point here!
38 Fumanchewd : That previously no Arab country was even allowed to recognize Israel or start diplomatic relations. It was only in the last 5 years that the Arab Lea
39 SBBRTech : Does this equation also work the other way around? I mean, I seldom hear jewish people talking about the Palestinian problem without demonizing the a
40 Fumanchewd : As so many on this website point out, palestinians aren't necessarily muslim. Perhaps you mean anti-arab.
41 SBBRTech : You're right...i just wanted to avoid repeating "arab". Gotta edit it.
42 Bok269 : I will condemn the killing of innocent Palestinians. I can't say I have any sympathy for the Hamas members who use neighborhoods with many innocent c
43 Post contains links Joni : This looks like a case of Palestinian extremist attacking Jewish extremists. This "school" apparently supports the idea that any peace accord that wou
44 Fumanchewd : Like any private school.
45 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Not only time but also stop wasting our money. I cant believe such a small amount of people can quarrel over a piece of desert for so long and contin
46 ImperialEagle : In 1948 about 700,000 Palestinians fled their homes. Some were forced to leave but most left because they were afraid of Jewish rule in the State of
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