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"you" Are In Charge : Sept 12th 2001 : What To Do?  
User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

....................If you were in George Bushes shoes ? Be honest , and upfront . I have heard many say

a) Nuke all known Al Quaeda and Taliban strongholds regardless of civilian casualties and the countries in which they reside

b) starve the surrounding countries economically

c)Use the 9/11 as a weapon and rather gain so many allies given the sympathies felt that day ..?

Add some if you would like . What would you have done everything after that day was YOUR CALL!

[Edited 2008-03-07 11:32:30]

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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

None of your options .

I agree with Bush on the Afghanistan War , there was no other Option . Invade Afghanistan but trying to avoid civil causalities .

IMO it was a bit slow the reaction in that days ... they needed 1 Month to invade it .


Constantin


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Listen to my advisors and the CIA for advice and information.

Oops. I suppose that right afterwards I would not have done anything different.

Beyond that, its difficult to say because no one here knows what he was told and in what manner he was told.

I would like to believe that my speeches would have been more eloquant and I would have definitely not gone into that "if you are not with us" crap. I would have asked France to contribute to our coalition by cooking for our troops.  Wink I would have liked to have landed on the aircraft carrier but I would have asked to do it again instead of declaring the war over.

This thread will go up QUICKLY. I don't believe that anyone with any tidbit of intelligence can specifically state that they know what they would have done. Perhaps generally.

In that regards, I would have tried to listen to my advisors and allies and do what I think was in the best interest of my citizens while trying to maintain positive relations with a majority of the international community.


User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2371 times:



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 2):
This thread will go up QUICKLY. I don't believe that anyone with any tidbit of intelligence can specifically state that they know what they would have done. Perhaps generally.

Then i would highly suggest you keep it civil ... as for all else, and respect other peoples opinions . Or simply don't post. But your points are valid none the less


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Plan out a better Afghanistan War. Send in at least 500,000 troops, ships, planes, whatever needed. Completely eliminate Al Quaeda. Authorize military to use whatever force necessary to complete the war in less then two years.

Never invade Iraq. There just weren't any ties. Use forces for Afghanistan and possibly Iran/North Korea.

Cut off all ties with any terrorist supporting country.

Stop dicking around and send Iran a few missiles since we know they are actively supporting attacks against US and Israel.

Drop the whole "either you're with us or you're against us." I bet Europe would've been quite willing to assist if the war remained in a justified Afghanistan.

Never create the TSA, or if I did, make sure it actually consists of competent people capable of stopping terrorists.

Just a few for now...



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User currently offlineRacingGreen07 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2354 times:



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 1):
IMO it was a bit slow the reaction in that days ... they needed 1 Month to invade it .

Well lol, you can't have the US to have ready battle plans for Afghanistan ready and waiting. It probably took a month to draw up the battle plans and plans of attack.

Moving an army and its equipment is a labour and time intensive task. I think 1 month is pretty quick.......


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting RacingGreen07 (Reply 5):
Moving an army and its equipment is a labour and time intensive task. I think 1 month is pretty quick.......

But it was enough time for Bin Laden to take his 50 Wifes and his millions $ to Pakistan comfortably .


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

I too think it was handled correctly and there was no way of knowing all that we know now


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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2332 times:



Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 6):
But it was enough time for Bin Laden to take his 50 Wifes and his millions $ to Pakistan comfortably .

So if we're so slow, why didn't Germany, being several thousand miles closer, and an ally, get into the sandbox quicker?



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

I would have called in the director of the FBI, CIA, NSA and fired them. I would have called for the Chairman and ranking minority member of the House and Senate committees with oversight authority of these agencies to resign.

I would called the ambassadors of the hostile Middle Eastern nations to the White House and said that we expected their full cooperation and that if they didn't it they should expect some very strong military response.

I would have ordered the cruise missile strikes on known terrorist training camps around the world of any major concern.

I would have ordered the attack on Afghanistan but begun it with immediate special forces raids into the areas of biggest concern.


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

1) Invade Afghanistan

2) Invade with enough troops and money to really change things there

3) Hold off on holding elections until democratic institutions and infrastructure could be built

4) Help to fund that

5) Impress on the Saudis that they must help to fund that

6) Engage the Iranians in Afghanistan and begin a rapproachment, at the same time reminding them that it could be them next - worked with Libya

7) Suspend and roll back tax cuts, might hurt the economy in the short term but we must pay for the war, better than running up debt.

8) Truly independent investigation into why 9/11 happened including
a) why the FBI and CIA couldn't get together
b) did we heed warnings from the French, Germans, Israelis
c) Condi war crimes trials?

9) Re-assess our "friendship" with the Saudis, make it official policy to wean ourselves off of Middle East oil, and to crush the Saudi Arabian economy by causing a precipitous fall in the price of oil.

10) mandate CAFE standards for cars, heavily tax Al-Qaedamobiles (SUVs) and use the money for mass transit, alternative fuels, and nuclear, nuclear, nuclear

11) If 10 succeeds, Get out of Saudi Arabia, but also make it clear to them that if they get overthrown we won't defend them because WE DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE. Also make clear that in the event of a catastrophic attack on the US, as the holder of the two Islamic holy places, we hold them responsible for ALL Islamic attacks on the US, and will respond one-hundred fold. Mecca and Medina are not off limits but would be a last resort.

12) Don't start a big huge bureacuracy like the TSA, work with what you got

13) make security more of a priority for the cleaners, rampers etc. I am still not convinced that the hijackers smuggled boxcutters on. If I were a terrorist, I'd go up to someone making minimum wage cleaning the planes and say, for 50,000 just put this on the plane, we won't hurt anyone really." That person sure as hell isn't going to come forward now. Patrick Smith is right. That hole is a mile wide.

14) Invade part of Pakistan if they are not helping us to capture Osama.

15) Generally, *as long as it doesn't affect us* keep our of Middle East conflicts.

16) Don't close off the rest of the world with onerous visa regs, but do tighten security

17) Propose a Schengen like system with Canada should they agree to tighten their standards

18) Promise NEVER to cynically use 9/11 for political purposes and to NEVER use 9/11 imagery in a political ad. Shame the other party until they promise same

19) Oh yeah, don't invade Iraq, WTF? They had nothing to do with it.

20) Of course if the Iraqis want to oust Saddam, he wasn't Santa Claus, so help them/



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I would have called in the director of the FBI, CIA, NSA and fired them. I would have called for the Chairman and ranking minority member of the House and Senate committees with oversight authority of these agencies to resign.

I would called the ambassadors of the hostile Middle Eastern nations to the White House and said that we expected their full cooperation and that if they didn't it they should expect some very strong military response.

I would have ordered the cruise missile strikes on known terrorist training camps around the world of any major concern.

I would have ordered the attack on Afghanistan but begun it with immediate special forces raids into the areas of biggest concern.

Agree with you completely .  checkmark   checkmark 


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2313 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
19) Oh yeah, don't invade Iraq, WTF? They had nothing to do with it.

 checkmark   checkmark  Yea this was catastrophic ... things just got worse


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
4) Help to fund that



Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
10) mandate CAFE standards for cars, heavily tax Al-Qaedamobiles (SUVs) and use the money for mass transit, alternative fuels, and nuclear, nuclear, nuclear

Last time I checked, #4 and #10 requires acts of Congress.

Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
7) Suspend and roll back tax cuts, might hurt the economy in the short term but we must pay for the war, better than running up debt.

The tax cuts weren't implemented until after 9/11 so there was nothing to suspend or roll-back.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 9):
I would have called in the director of the FBI, CIA, NSA and fired them. I would have called for the Chairman and ranking minority member of the House and Senate committees with oversight authority of these agencies to resign.

What are you, a bleeding-heart liberal?

I'd dissolve Congress and rule by decree. Execute the leaders of the opposition party on the spot and imprison the remaining in labor camps. In a few weeks I'd rule the world. There, that's the end of terrorism.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2237 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 10):
If 10 succeeds, Get out of Saudi Arabia, but also make it clear to them that if they get overthrown we won't defend them because WE DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE. Also make clear that in the event of a catastrophic attack on the US, as the holder of the two Islamic holy places, we hold them responsible for ALL Islamic attacks on the US, and will respond one-hundred fold. Mecca and Medina are not off limits but would be a last resort.

Statements like these are proof that politics should be out of reach from the common man. Your suggestion would make World War 2 look like a fruit cake.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

This is a silly topic. It is all too easy to look back seven years with 20/20 hindsight and lecture on what the proper course of action would be. I'd like to see what you would actually do if you were in GWB's shoes on 9/12/01, as opposed to the grand proclamations made here.


Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2214 times:



Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
This is a silly topic. It is all too easy to look back seven years with 20/20 hindsight and lecture on what the proper course of action would be. I'd like to see what you would actually do if you were in GWB's shoes on 9/12/01, as opposed to the grand proclamations made here.

Well for one, I sure as hell would not invade one of the most infra-structured countries in the Middle East. What a wonderful Idea that was Smile In all fairness, the Terrorist scum have won, they have terrorized the west, not to mention given them more reasons to carry on a psychotic holy war for another century .


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5651 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Ahh, Monday morning quarterbacking. Hindsight 20/20 and all...

Let's make the assumption that on 9/12/2001 we knew it was OBL and gang.

Pound hell out of ALL Taliban strongholds/locations/sympathizers.

Let the world know that the failed policies of the previous 25 or so years in dealing with terrorists had officially come to an end.

Put Iran/Syria/Iraq/Saudia Arabia, et al. on notice, specifically and by name of the above.

If there was no capitulation, start hitting very specific economic and military targets inside the Nation-States identified.

Seize production fields, distribution fields and docks, as applicable in the non-compliant nations (not the easiest task, but doable, I think). I have no problem, what-so-ever, with blood for oil, not one problem. It is fiction to assume that we would not and have not gone to war to maintain or secure an adequate oil supply. Or any other nation would not do the same. To ignore an oil supply disruption is to die on the vine.

Nuclear weapons, while not off-the-table, would be largely counter productive.

Communicate to the American people and the world why this is happening.

Let's be clear. We have been at war with these lunatics since the 70's, some would argue before that. 9/11 was the wake-up call that they really meant business. They were throwing a war, but we weren't playing. Carter ignored it. Reagan could have done so much more...after Libya he had the momentum. Bush I disappointed me. Taking Bagdhad would have presented the same Iraq situation we have now, but Iran would have been easier to deal with and world opinion (as much as that matters) was on our side. Bush I was short-sighted. Clinton did NOTHING against the terrorists, but allow them grow unimpeded. Bush II failed to communicate what our government was doing and thus, failed to get the bulk of Americans behind him in the long run.

We are not prosecuting a war because of 9/11, that was just the catalyst that got us off our collective behinds.

Domestically, we needed to open oil exploration...only the short sided morons in Congress didn't see this oil supply issue (the issue being that a sizable chunk of our oil comes form that region). Refineries needed to be built. Nuclear plants needed to be authorized, built and brought on line. Alternative energy means needed to be explored. All major rivers needed to be re-evaluated for dam potential. We probably wouldn't have built anymore, all the good sites are probably long gone, but the evaluation needed to be done.

The Dollar had to be vigorously defended. The economy should have been more closely watched.

Communication to the people...very important.

Maybe a bit idealistic, but my 2 cents, nonetheless.

[Edited 2008-03-07 14:04:48]


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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2195 times:



Quoting CF188A (Reply 17):
the Terrorist scum have won, they have terrorized the west, not to mention given them more reasons to carry on a psychotic holy war for another century .

What have they won? I am not in terror.

What will happen over the next century?



User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Among things I would throw out, one would definitely be to take the golden opportunity to seize control of our own borders.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2180 times:



Quoting CF188A (Reply 17):
In all fairness, the Terrorist scum have won, they have terrorized the west,

I live my day to day life pretty much the same as before 9/11. Just because some people are obsessed and paranoid does not mean the terrorists have won.  Wink



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5651 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:



Quoting CF188A (Reply 17):
Well for one, I sure as hell would not invade one of the most infra-structured countries in the Middle East. What a wonderful Idea that was In all fairness, the Terrorist scum have won, they have terrorized the west, not to mention given them more reasons to carry on a psychotic holy war for another century

What you fail to understand was that the lunatics were going to continue this war into the next century anyway. We, the United States, have been fighting Islamic terrorists since right after our Independence. Every hear of the Barbary pirates? This war will continue until we eliminate the threat AND get moderate Muslims to suppress and prosecute the radical elements of Islam or we capitulate and let them dictate terms. Which do you prefer?

I'd rather crush them.

Invading Iraq was not a reaction to 9/11. It was the continuation of the war started long ago, that we finally joined.

The terrorists have not won, but neither have we.



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

1. Launch cruise missiles the day after the attacks on terrorist training facilities in Afghanistan.
2. Move Special Forces into Afghanistan before an invasion.
3. Launch a coordinated Int'l invasion of Afghanistan with 500,000+ troops.
4. Seal off the Afghan/Pakistan border.
5. Start holding talks with Iran to stabilize Afghanistan as they are sworn enemies with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
6. If talks with Iran went well, I would resume diplomatic relations with them and start sending them aid for oil.
7. Re-assess our so called "friendship" with Saudi Arabia.
8. Support domestic renewable energy programs such as Ethanol so we dont have to do business with the Terrorist Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
9. Drop the "You are either with us or against us".
10. Strengthen our friendship with Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, and other allied Arab nations.
11. Never invade Iraq.
12. Never create TSA.
13. Imprison that pussy Madeleine Albright. (I know thats unrealistic)
14. Promote dialogue between other faiths and Islam.

Thats all I can think of now.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2155 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 4):
Cut off all ties with any terrorist supporting country.

Easier said than done given realpolitik. I don't necessarily disagree, but Saudi Arabia???? Point made. He who controls the oil controls policy. That's the biggest problem.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 18):
Let's be clear. We have been at war with these lunatics since the 70's, some would argue before that. 9/11 was the wake-up call that they really meant business.

November, 1979. US Embassy. Teheran. While it would be difficult to isolate an actual date, that's as close as you'll get to a birthdate of modern terrorism.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 20):
Among things I would throw out, one would definitely be to take the golden opportunity to seize control of our own borders.

AMEN! Close the borders, militarize it if necessary, immediately cease ALL visa issuance to ALL known terrorist nations, deport citizens of same even if students, and get serious about all of this.

And tell the ACLU to STFU--mosques, CAIR, other organizations would be under surveillance.


25 LHStarAlliance : I agree with your points .. but I don't understand what Albright has to do with this all !? Could you say me how Albright is involved , please. Thank
26 Rara : I too think that Bush acted completely fine on September 12th. Why was it a problem if there was no military action against Afghanistan before one mon
27 Delta767300ER : Thanks man. I think that Albright was not aggressive enough against Al-Qaeda after the 1998 Embassy Bombings. -Delta767300ER
28 Mortyman : * Stay cool * Hunt for Bin Laden and his network in Afganistan ( Atleast 500 000 soldiers is needed. proabably more. ) * Help the Afghan people with c
29 Csavel : Wasn't just Albright, I am actually generally have issues who blame Billary for everything including the Yankees getting their asses kicked by the In
30 Csavel : not at all, simply a last resort, note that many of my other suggestions consist of either carrots (worked with Libya, would work with Iran and Syria
31 Blackbird1331 : I would have quietly put out feelers for information on Bin Ladens whereabouts with very large dollar rewards for reliable information.
32 Delta767300ER : I agree with you on that. I also feel that some members of the Clinton Administration acted half-assed. I am by no means a Clinton hater though. I al
33 CF188A : Back to the topic at hand , many of you have many many many good ideas which could have possibly been saught out to avoid the mess we are in today. Bu
34 AirCop : Let's be real, no one here would have the slightest idea how they would have reacted on 9-12-2001, shoot some of you just starting high school when th
35 UH60FtRucker : I agree with your point, but 500,000 troops would have been the entire US active Army and a good amount of all US Marines. See, we didn't really have
36 LTBEWR : First of all, all members of the Bin-laden family in the USA, instead of allowed to leave the USA on flights to Saudi Arabia, I would have rounded the
37 EA CO AS : "Smuggling" implies these things were illegal to carry aboard commercial airliners then. They weren't. These guys didn't need an inside man to plant
38 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Bush already knew what he was going "to do" well before hand because he knew 9/11 was going to happen well before hand since he and his government cro
39 Csavel : of course not, I am saying that they could have payed a cleaner to place them on the plane for them to use. That's why I said smuggled.
40 WestJetForLife : Too many variables on this topic for me, but if I was POTUS and I was certain Bin Laden was behind this: 1) Ensure that the General Public is not in p
41 FlyDeltaJets87 : Or they could have just carried them on the plane since up until Sept. 11th, boxcutters were not prohibited items, which is what they did. The weapon
42 NIKV69 : I would ask Osama for a meeting so we could sit down and talk about our differences. Signed, Barack Obama
43 RicciPettit : I would be celebrating my birthday.
44 Post contains images CF188A : LMFAO ..... you made my morning along with this donut i wone with roll up the rim here at Tim Hortons.... oh my . ty
45 Halls120 : I wouldn't have immediately fired any of them, as tempting as it would have been. Bob Mueller hadn't been at FBI long enough to be fairly blamed for
46 Ctbarnes : #53. Get on my knees and thank God I'm not really in charge. Charles, SJ
47 102IAHexpress : It’s a no brainier for me. Go to Rice University in Houston just like JFK did on September 12, 1962. But instead of asking Space city USA to help la
48 Csavel : you know a couple of people have said that box cutters weren't prohibited. I know that the assumption was that it was guns, and also the assumption w
49 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Up until 9/11, airport restaurants had steak-knives and metal knives. You probably would have been pushing your luck with a saber or a machete, but u
50 EA CO AS : That's EXACTLY what we're saying. Before 11SEP01, you could take a knife onboard as long as the blade was under 4 inches long - FAR longer than the b
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