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Possibly Moving To Philadelphia...  
User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2062 times:

I just found out that I might be relocating to Philadelphia (actually Wayne, PA.) for work. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I have heard nothing but bad things about the city. I've driven through it and connected through PHL, but have never spent time in the city. Anyway, what are some good neighborhoods to live in? I'm looking for a decent neighborhood in the city (I'll commute to Wayne), populated with white-collar and twenty/thirty-somethings with good nightlife. I've heard good things about Camden, NJ.  Wink


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2052 times:

I don't think Pennsylvania has an open presidential primary.  blush  I know that there a very good steak house in old town called Marmont.

User currently offlineOldman55 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1525 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2039 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
I've heard good things about Camden, NJ.

I live in Harrisburg......soo maybe I am not the best judge but I have heard that Camden NJ is one of the most dangerous places in US, the only "safe" area maybe close to the aquarium. The best area in Philly maybe what they call Center City near Independence Hall or around Rittenhouse Square.



too bad most of us get too soon old and too late smart
User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2033 times:



Quoting Oldman55 (Reply 2):
The best area in Philly maybe what they call Center City near Independence Hall or around Rittenhouse Square.

Beautiful area! I spent my freshman year at Villanova, and Center City was my sanctuary from the Main Line on weekends. Main Line= great place to raise a family, but just awfully boring for college. Pretty good restaurants around downtown Philly. Also, the Franklin Fountain on 2nd and Market Streets... best ice cream I've ever had!


User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

I just realized... Villanova is right next to Wayne. I've done a good job of putting my freshman year behind me!

Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
I'm looking for a decent neighborhood in the city (I'll commute to Wayne), populated with white-collar and twenty/thirty-somethings with good nightlife.

If I'm reading this right, you're going to be working in Wayne, but you're willing to take SEPTA to and from there. Good plan! For what it's worth, I always thought that Spruce Street was the nicest residential street in Philadelphia.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Perhaps the Main Line would be the most appropriate place. Those who know will get it.

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2004 times:



Quoting Oldman55 (Reply 2):
Camden NJ is one of the most dangerous places in US, the only "safe" area maybe close to the aquarium.

Honestly, in Camden, if you go a block in from the Delaware River, you're gambling with your life. JCS, I've lived in Philly for my whole life (except now when I'm at school). Rittenhouse Square is a good area, as is Society Hill and most of Center City. I live in the Far Northeast which is very close to the northern suburbs. The Far Northeast is extremely suburban. In Philadelphia, neighborhoods range from the worst of the worst (North Philadelphia, West Philly, Kensington), to very nicer, classier, upscale areas (any neighborhood in Center City, the Northeast). What you need to keep in mind is that Wayne is about 20 miles from Center City, and that Philadelphia does have a nasty rush hour.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me.

Marc


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

I was joking about Camden.  Smile


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User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

Sounds like you want to live in Center City and take the SEPTA regional rails to Wayne? I lived at 9th and Chestnut (and in that neighborhood) for a total of 7 years. There are many new buildings in the area, some for rent and some for lease/buy. There are also some brownstones in the area and some rowhouses (like the already mentioned Spruce street) that are very affordable.

My advice - if Center City is where you want to start, rent at the Ben Franklin House ("The Ben") on 9th and Chestnut. 6 blocks from a full grocery, 1 block from post office, 1 block from bank. Over 60 restaurants and 200 shops within a 10 block radius. Great nightlife down the street in Old City. Relatively safe area full of young professionals (many med students and residents from Jefferson across the street). This is the closest to New York City living you'll get in Philly. Ov..er the next 6 months, find a neighborhood that suits you. Or if the Washington Square area (ie Where the Ben is located at) is what is right for you, there are more and less expensive places to live.

Rittenhouse is there, but is unnecessarily pricey and a little far from Northern Liberties and Old City, what I call the cool parts of town.

The Main Line is nice, but it's pricey and I think of it as more "Desparate Houswives" Suburbia more than "Sex and the City" center city life. If you live out there, the nightlife of the city will be a hassle. Manyunk is another area, however, that is great for young people, has its own type of nightlife. Think of it like Seattle or San Francisco.

Beware that there is a hefty tax for living in the city, regardless of where you work. IIRC, it was like 9%.

Aside from that, there are hundreds of places to live. It depends on what you want. Write back your requirements and we can talk more.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Ironically, I was looking at the Ben Franklin House online when I was checking out your post. It looks like a decent place. I understand that the building itself is older, but are the apartments themselves still in good condition? Anyway, how is the subway to suburban rail connection at 30th Street station? Is it a hassle? My understanding is that the rail commute would be about 1:00-1:15 each way. If I was to drive from there to Wayne, I assume I'd be going against the flow of traffic... and it wouldn't be too bad.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

One thing to keep in mind is that if you reside in Philly but work in the suburbs (Wayne is actually in Radnor Township, Delaware County); you are subject to the dreaded City Wage Tax (just under 5% which is taken right off your paycheck from the get-go). You might be better off living in a neighboring suburb and commuting. Also Philly auto insurance rates (I'm assuming that you'll have a car, even if you do take the train to/from work, for nights & weekends) are higher than rates in the 'burbs.

Quoting Cha747 (Reply 8):
Sounds like you want to live in Center City and take the SEPTA regional rails to Wayne?

The R5 Paoli/Malvern/Thorndale line would be the regional rail route that literally parallels US 30 (Lancaster Ave.) that has a stop in Wayne. Word of caution: SEPTA's schedules aren't always accomodating nor conducive to reverse commuters. A monthly Zone 3 Trailpass will run you $142.50.

Another thing to be aware of: real estate & rents are significantly higher than what you're probably used to in Texas. Both Philly & Main Line (where Wayne is located) rents are among the highest in the Delaware Valley region.

More reasonable priced rents/real estate (but still close to Philly) can be found further south of Wayne (but west of Philly): places like Morton, Springfield, Glenolden, Secane (where I reside), Media, Holmes, Folsom, and possibly Swarthmore to name a few. The only downside would be that one would have to drive in order to get to Wayne.

Whereever you decide to settle, feel free to check out the where many of the local Philly Spotters frequent at the local spotting site http://www.phlairline.com



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1883 times:

In all seriousness, JCS, you should consider the quality of life issue associated with a work commute. I've done the 45 minute to 1 hour 15 minute deal by car, and it gets old after about a week. Throw in winter driving conditions, and you'll be ready to vote for Hillary (for real this time) before you'll drive that route home again.

Public transit may alleviate some of the issues, but bad weather can screw that up too.

My sincere advice: Live near where you work (within ~10 miles) and compromise between night life and commute distance. As Cadet 985 says, Greater Philly has some of the best and ABSOLUTE WORST neighborhoods in the US. Result: the better neighborhoods are expensive, and a commute to Wayne may take some good time from your week. That said, you are probably correct about going against traffic, at least to some extent.

Good luck.


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1871 times:

Being from the Philly metro area I can give you some insight (I am from South Jersey within 20 mins. to center city.). For a good white collar neighborhood I would go for Cherry Hill, Vorhees and that general area on the NJ side or Narberth(Closer to wayne), Broomall(South of the city) or some parts in the NE. I would however reccomend NJ over PA.

User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1852 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Thread starter):
I just found out that I might be relocating to Philadelphia (actually Wayne, PA.) for work

I'm sorry. Good luck with your move though. There are some nice suburbs surrounding Philly. The one's I know of are north of town.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1839 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 12):
I would however reccomend NJ over PA.

Since he's working WEST of the city; I would discourage moving to NJ. No offense, but the commute from South Jersey to Philly can be enough of a bear without adding additional mileage to Wayne on top of that (not to mention the DRPA bridge tolls which may be going up again soon ($3 to $5 PA-bound)).

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 11):
My sincere advice: Live near where you work (within ~10 miles) and compromise between night life and commute distance.

Other locale options might be to reside west of Wayne, somewhere in Chester County. The West Chester area or the Exton area might be a suitable as well as the Delco communuities I mentioned earlier.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

To add:

Regardless of where you decide to reside, I would strongly suggest that you get a detailed road atlas that gives good coverage across the region; the ADC Greater Philadelphia map (priced at $35) covers all 5 southeastern PA counties as well as portions of South Jersey & Northern Delaware.

http://www.adcmap.com


This atlas will be very helpful in checking out alternate or escape routes to avoid traffic backups on the major roadways.

Another tip: Not sure if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, but I would suggest that you NOT wear a Tyrell Owens (#81) Cowboys jersey in the Delaware Valley. Big grin



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1807 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
may be going up again soon ($3 to $5 PA-bound)).

That I didn't know. I've been living away from the city for the past 2 years so I'm still think back to 06'. In fact i remember when tolls were only $2...


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1803 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 16):
In fact i remember when tolls were only $2...

When I first moved in the area (July 1990), the toll was 90-cents (two-way collections still existed back then).



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1798 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 17):
When I first moved in the area (July 1990), the toll was 90-cents (two-way collections still existed back then).

Now if i'm nnot mistaking the Palmyra-Tacony crossing is $1 less due to the fact it is not run by the DRPA , right?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1794 times:



Quoting Usair320 (Reply 18):
Now if i'm nnot mistaking the Palmyra-Tacony crossing is $1 less due to the fact it is not run by the DRPA , right?

Correct. Although there was at least one attempt (that I am aware of) when the DRPA tried to take over the T-P and the Burlington-Bristol Bridge back in the early-90s; thankfully that effort was shot down by New Jersey voters (this was during the Florio years).



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
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