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CEO Makes 5.13 Billion In '07.  
User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

This is incedible.Call it highway robbery.CEO and co-founder Stephan Schwarzman of Blackstone,took his company public last year and made 5.13B at the expense of investors,including me,and his companies downward negative
reporting.I know.I got in at about 30.00 per share,I'm long de-invested,but the stock is around 16.62.

This is outrageous!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080312/blackstone_executive_compensation.html


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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Well, he made that money off the IPO. I'd never invest in one of these companies going public, the reason being that they take advantage of vastly lower SEC reporting requirements for private companies to inflate their value and hide debts before going public and screwing everyone who then buys the stock; when the reporting requirements are triggered, all the hidden problems come out.

This is what's most wrong with the American economy today: a great amount of the alleged value created is entirely on paper, and much of that is in borderline fraudulent schemes cooked up by greedy accountants and MBAs who don't take the fall when it falls apart. The already rich basically hoodwink people with schemes that they just sit there and dream up, the overworked regulators have too little time to review (and they're outmatched anyway, as the disparity in salaries between the government and private sector inevitably sends the most clever ones to the private companies), and the public doesn't understand.

It's truly an absurd amount of money considering Blackstone produces no tangible product. All they and companies like them do is take other companies private, fire some people, create some savings on paper, and then go public again with a company with vastly inflated value due to the stuff you can hide when you're private. At the end, little if any added value is created, and whatever is created gets eaten up by people like this dude.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

He didn't sell very much of his own stock. So his fortune has declined alone with Blackstone stock.

You are picking on the wrong guy. He didn't really rob anyone. Instead, he created a company that is worth a lot of money. This actually helps Americans. We should have more people like Schwartzman.

He made his money the old fashioned way, by using his brain, creating new ideas and inspiring loads of imitators. These "financial innovations" are a big reason why America is still a good place to live. And why Harvard and Yale are able to offer free tuition to the middle class. Among other things.

This guy Schwartzman also just gave the NY Public Library $100m. And he will probably give all his money away in time. He wants to be known as an honorable man. Maybe he is.

My 2c.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

And people say airline CEOs make too much. :P

User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

This story has been changed by AP.Blackstone CEO,Stephen Schwarzman, DID NOT make the first reported amount.Recommended to moderators that this thread be deleted with apologies,as informed by AP,for the inaccuracies.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080312/black..._executive_compensation.html?.v=10



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User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

He sounds like a type of Robbin Hood


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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

I'm sorry, I must have missed something. He broke what law?

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1912 times:



Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
He broke what law?

A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1906 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):

A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

And what law of mankind would that be?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1898 times:



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 8):
And what law of mankind would that be?

Greed and gluteny.

$5 billion, huh? I picture that Bugs Bunny cartoon where Daffy Duck is swimming in gold and jewels.



User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1891 times:



Quoting PSA53 (Thread starter):
made 5.13B at the expense of investors,including me,and his companies downward negative
reporting.

Did you read the S-1 registration statement before you invested? If so, this shouldn't have been a surprise to you as it was all fully disclosed in the prospectus. Now, if you jumped into the stock because of the hype or without doing your homework, then you have nobody to blame but yourself.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1890 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
What the hell does he personally need all that money for?

He CREATED that company along with 1 other guy.

He created that money. Without him, that money would not exist.

Like Google. Are those guys evil for having lots of money? They created Google. That is new wealth.

Why is it their duty to surrender their creation?
Should we make it illegal to make a billion dollars? What if those people all left the USA? I am glad they're here.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1885 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

Or he could buy a bomb and blow the hell out of a lot of people. Your option is a bit better.

As long as no laws are broken, I don't care how much money you have. I'm a poor college student, but I don't want someone who has worked for their money to be forced to give it to me.

I can understand the bias against "old money," though. But if it was acquired honestly through brains or brawn, it has no place being redistributed without the consent of the person who made it.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1875 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

So can Bill Gates and Sheldon Adelson. In fact they do donate quite a bit. Still their wealth isn't an obligation to start helping everyone out. I am sure Obama has his eye on him since CEOs aren't allowed to make a lot of money. Besides he needs money for that health care system he is preaching.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 12):
Your option is a bit better.

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Goes along with the hatred toward anyone that has wealth on this forum. Which goes hand in hand with the socialist views of a lot of Obama supporters here as well.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1855 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
I am sure Obama has his eye on him since CEOs aren't allowed to make a lot of money.

Which is blatently false. Give it up, Nicholas.


Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Which goes hand in hand with the socialist views of a lot of Obama supporters here as well.

   How utterly predictable. Please, Nicholas, show me examples of these socialist views you claim exist. Do you even know what socialism is? Do you, honestly?

Dave

[Edited 2008-03-12 20:05:07]


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1844 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
He broke what law?

A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

I guess you don't remember/realize that many of today's charitable foundations were originally established by the "robber barons" of the past.

Look at what Bill Gates is doing with his wealth.

They are helping other people. But the important difference with your stance is that THEY are deciding how to use their own wealth to benefit society.

It isn't the government's place to make those calls.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1834 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

And in all likelihood the money will eventually go to help hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. But he'll be able to direct where it goes. If the government takes it from him, they pick where his money goes. Your insistence on the notion that charity is not a conservative ideal couldn't be further from the truth. Studies show that conservatives are more charitable than liberals.

I know for me personally, I'd be glad to compare my personal giving to Ted Kennedy's on a percentage of income basis and see where it falls out.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
He broke what law?

A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

And, meanwhile, the gap between the wealthiest and those who are the least well-off grows by leaps and bounds. The American way, eh?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1805 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 14):
Which is blatently false. Give it up, Nicholas.

Actually your right, I keep forgetting when he told his supporters at that rally he was going to go after CEOs that it was basically a talking point just to get them all riled up.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 14):
Do you even know what socialism is? Do you, honestly?

Come on, do we have to dance around this? Whenever Government tries to control means of production your spitting in the face of Capitalism. If it walks like a duck, well it most likely is.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
They are helping other people. But the important difference with your stance is that THEY are deciding how to use their own wealth to benefit society.

It isn't the government's place to make those calls.

Yep, exactly. Unfortunately this is only way for Obama to even come close to keeping any of his empty promises.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
And, meanwhile, the gap between the wealthiest and those who are the least well-off grows by leaps and bounds. The American way, eh?

The gap hasn't been growing, it's just being exploited more by Billary and Obama. Sure the lower class needs help in the way of jobs, health care and education but robbing from the rich to give to the poor is not the way.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1787 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Actually your right, I keep forgetting when he told his supporters at that rally he was going to go after CEOs that it was basically a talking point just to get them all riled up.

I find it curious that about every speech Sen. Obama has given is on YouTube, yet I cannot find this magical quote you keep digging up. Now, it's possible Sen. Obama said something like that, but I'd like to hear it for myself first. You still have failed to provide a source that he said what you claim he did.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
The gap hasn't been growing, it's just being exploited more by Billary and Obama

Wrong. See the link below:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/29/business/income.4.php

"Income inequality grew significantly in 2005, with the top 1 percent of Americans - those with incomes that year of more than $348,000 - receiving their largest share of national income since 1928, analysis of newly released tax data shows."

"The new data also shows that the top 300,000 Americans collectively enjoyed almost as much income as the bottom 150 million Americans. Per person, the top group received 440 times as much as the average person in the bottom half earned, nearly doubling the gap from 1980."

Dave



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 1766 times:



Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 19):
"The new data also shows that the top 300,000 Americans collectively enjoyed almost as much income as the bottom 150 million Americans. Per person, the top group received 440 times as much as the average person in the bottom half earned, nearly doubling the gap from 1980."

Why is it bad that the rich got richer?

Should they have less income?

If they had less income, how could we maintain the federal budget? By taxing the poor?


The top income group also pays more taxes than ever. The bottom 50% of the USA essentially pay zero taxes. The stereotypical "family of 4 or 5" making 45k / year pays zero federal taxes.

The spike in rich people is what is keeping our country going. Without that, we are just a middle class country with a broken budget.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1752 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
A law of mankind.

I can't find that section in the penal code. Can you point me to it?

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
What the hell does he personally need all that money for?

If you had it, you wouldn't be saying that.

He worked hard, he grew the company, then did the work and took it public. He earned the money fair and square. If we took away the financial incentive to work hard why would anyone want to excel in any field?

If doctors did not make what they make why would anyone put themselves through the torture of medical school?

If working hard in business did not stand to pay off big who would endure the stress of starting a new business?

If investing millions into a new invention did not pay off big why would anyone live through a decade of school and thousands of sleepless nights in a lab or in front of a computer for science and engineering?

If you want to see a stagnant economy and the downfall of a nation start putting caps on what people can earn through their hard work. Look at the former Soviet Union. Getting your name in the paper and a building named after you doesn't pay the bills and its a pretty lousy reward for busting your ass for several years.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1721 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Quoting Queso (Reply 6):
He broke what law?

A law of mankind. You know I'm a liberal and I'm not going to get into another useless cyclical argument. What the hell does he personally need all that money for? Like $1 billion or even $100 million isn't enough? He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

And, meanwhile, the gap between the wealthiest and those who are the least well-off grows by leaps and bounds. The American way, eh?

Well, it's far better than the government confiscating someone's hard earned wealth and giving to other who just sit on their asses.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
If you want to see a stagnant economy and the downfall of a nation start putting caps on what people can earn through their hard work. Look at the former Soviet Union. Getting your name in the paper and a building named after you doesn't pay the bills and its a pretty lousy reward for busting your ass for several years.

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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1709 times:



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
He could sure help a lot of people with the extra money.

Well, he did just donate $100 million to the New York Public Library, and it was "the largest among the largest to any cultural institution in the city’s history." according to the New York Times.

He was quoted as saying: “As you have more resources in life, it’s your obligation to deploy those for the benefit of others,” he told The Times.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/20...hwarzmans-very-own-public-library/

Please give credit where it's due.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1694 times:



Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 21):
If you had it, you wouldn't be saying that.

Wrong. My income is very limited at the moment. For example, I still seem to find a few dollars to buy food items for the food shelf program in my neighborhood. It's the humanistic thing to do. Care for and help others in need.

If I had all that money, I'd probably end up giving away the vast majority of it. There are lots of high schools and community centers that still need public-access defibrilators. There are thousands of volunteer fire and EMS departments (not government-funded) that need to replace worn out equipment and vehicles. Get the picture?


25 RFields5421 : ???? where do you get that number as money he has??? He didn't make 5 billion. His total compensation is 350 million - which is definitely a lot of m
26 Post contains links and images NIKV69 : He said it buddy, believe or don't. Your in denial anyway. Here I wasted a few minutes of my time since you won't accept reality. Here is where Obama
27 Post contains images CaptOveur : Damn those Corporate raiders. We need to have the government step in!
28 Post contains links RJdxer : I don't know, sounds like he is now. Schwarzman -- who earlier this week announced a $100 million personal donation to the New York Public Library --
29 N328KF : If everyone only takes one thing away from this thread, it should be this. People on airliners.net whine and bitch about NIMBYs who bought land near
30 Newark777 : This is why the vast majority of hedge funds and private equity firms are private. The top managers pull in close to $500 mil to $1 billion a year.
31 Halls120 : Yes, I do. But wouldn't YOU rather be the one making the decision who gets the benefit of your gifts?[Edited 2008-03-13 08:37:15]
32 Post contains images Newark777 : That's the difference with liberals, they know better than you do.
33 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Ah, yes. But the government can always decide to take more of it. Taxes. Aren't they just wonderful?
34 CALTECH : Maybe we should try the socialist/liberal/commie way then, everybody poor, nothing to buy, but the 'leaders' have those nice bank accounts with 'thei
35 Post contains images Newark777 : Tax shelters, aren't they wonderful? I know of at least one member of the Forbes 400 who paid less than 10% income taxes for years, completely legall
36 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Me? Idealistic? Far from it. I'm actually a pragmatist.
37 Flighty : They all do. That is normal. The poeple who get screwed on taxes are the doctors and (some) lawyers. Biz people get un-taxed things like exotic stock
38 DavestanKSAN : I was responding to Nicholas who made the false statement that the gap between the rich and the poor wasn't growing. He said it wasn't; that in fact
39 Post contains links RJdxer : Ok, well here it does. http://obama.senate.gov/press/070530-obama_calls_for_5/index.php S. 1181 would require a nonbinding shareholder vote on execut
40 NIKV69 : I wouldn't waste my time with him anymore. He supports someone and refuses to see what his candidate is about. He refuses to admit all this rhetoric
41 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : " target=_blank>http://obama.senate.gov/press/070530...x.php You forgot to include this minor detail: "S.1181 neither caps nor limits CEO pay but mer
42 RJdxer : I did? And my question still stands: And it is still: Unless you can see some redeeming quality in it.
43 DavestanKSAN : Ummmm, are you serious? Here's what your post said: Here's what mine said: Am I not seeing something, or did you leave that whole second part of the
44 Pope : But what should this guy do? Should he not create wealth for himself and others so as to not create the income gap. Why is the blame on the gap put o
45 RJdxer : Which is a reiteration of the second line of the quote from Obama that I provided. How? According to the bill the shareholders vote is non-binding. O
46 Falcon84 : The wealthy have the power, Pope. I know it's the GOP way to deamonize the poor, and protect the wealthy, Pope, but any society that has such a frigh
47 Halls120 : And your solution is to take it away from the people who earned it legally and give it others? You don't think that action might have consequences? I
48 RFields5421 : Some years - this year quite a few will make nothing - zero dollars. Because they pay is linked to how well the fund increases in value. If the fund
49 MD-90 : BLACKSTONE. Ah, I sort of glossed over the title when I first read it. You know the only reason why Blackstone went public was so that the founders c
50 Newark777 : Still getting base salary without the bonus, which is pretty meager compared to what they usually take in The member I'm thinking of used a front com
51 Post contains images NIKV69 : As I have told you a million times he said it in a campaign rally that wasn't quoted. I don't invent this stuff. I saw Hillary say she was going to "
52 Pope : Last time I checked, my vote counts exactly the same as some else regardless of their income. When a poor person doesn't take advantage of the resour
53 Flighty : Dividends ARE income. They are taxed at 15% right now. Which super-rich can defer for many years, placing the real tax rate for them below 10%. You d
54 Newark777 : So people have only been doing this for the past eight years? Or you don't really know what you're talking about so you blame Bush for everything?
55 Pope : You don't control when a company pays a dividend. It's taxable when paid. So please tell me how you defer a dividend for many years. You might want t
56 RFields5421 : Okay - the COMPANY had it's own tax status and such. While reports may have listed the company and it's worth as part of what made the person a membe
57 RFields5421 : Isn't that the goal we are all hoping to achieve some day? Yes the super rich have a great head start and can live a lot better than most of us do in
58 MD-90 : I think some people aren't aware that US corporations are just about the most highly taxed in the world. And that's unfortunate. We'd have a faster g
59 DavestanKSAN : Um, not really. You copied a whole different paragraph then I did, but whatever. Not necessarily. Perhaps "oversight" was the wrong choice of words i
60 Pope : I disagree. As a high income taxpayer your deduction are phased out. Meaning that you loose up to 80% of your deductions. Therefore, if I donate a $1
61 RJdxer : Oversight or supervision, it's the same, you are implying that the shareholders are going to have some sort of say in the CEO's pay and benefits pack
62 NIKV69 : Ok I will be sure to have a fresh tape in my VCR every time this snake oil salesman start blurting out the talking points. It's ok I heard him say it
63 DavestanKSAN : And you base this hypothesis on what exactly? Do you have evidence Sen. Obama would do that or it is simply conjecture on your part? Well, I didn't m
64 Falcon84 : I don't want to see it "given" to anyone. I'd prefer that instead of big tax breaks for these people, that money went to help fund job training progr
65 RFields5421 : Many of the top end of the field are "self-made", but it doesn't take more than a couple hundred down the list before you start seeing second and thi
66 NIKV69 : I didn't break the rules of the forum. He said it. Deny all you want. No it doesn't, you saw the published material that he said "CEOs make more in 1
67 DavestanKSAN : Sure you did. Did you not read the highlighted section I posted for you? Here the rule is again: When stating facts, statistics or newsworthy bulleti
68 RJdxer : Complete conjecture, but tell me why such unnecessary legislation is necessary? It accomplishes nothing but set precedent.
69 NIKV69 : I know he wasn't addressing them, that is what I asked you to explain. Why he would single out a CEO while Oprah stands by his side as a cheerleader
70 Pope : I think you should read the chapter in Freakeconomics that discusses the role money has on elections. By the way, ask Senator Clinton how much money
71 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Cool, thanks for your honesty . Again, I don't necessaraly agree with it. I don't agree that the word supervision necessarly implies "that the shareh
72 Post contains images NIKV69 : You do such a great job of dancing around a simple question. Most likely because you can't admit he is a hypocrite and will rile up an audience by br
73 RJdxer : What does the word "supervison" mean then?
74 DavestanKSAN : Uh, what part of my answer isn't sufficient for you? I answered your question. Further, unless you give me some context about the quote, I'm never go
75 CaptOveur : In my job I routinely encounter homeless people. Doing this has made me even more willing to just throw them to the dogs for various reasons. 1. Many
76 NIKV69 : Ok it's plain to see you are refusing to answer the question. Which is not a surprise since just about everything that comes out of your candidate's
77 Halls120 : Everyone should remember what Hillary said a few years ago - "we're going to have to take things away from you for the common good." I realize that t
78 Flighty : You're right, dividends are taxable as current income. I screwed up on that. Many shareholders prefer not to get dividends, as a result. This allows
79 Pope : Sorry but that's not a tax. Perhaps it's an opportunity cost but it by no means fits the definition of a tax. Why not? Most people completely ignore
80 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Are you really that dense? Seriously Nicholas, let's get some perspecive here. Your whole argument is based on a quote that could or could not exist.
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