Lubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 8 Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
Hurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1440 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
Top: FDR
(I have a feeling Im gonna get flamed for this one)
Bill Clinton
Bottom: Richard Nixon
Andrew Johnson
Confuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3636 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1269 times:
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2846 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
Best
Thomas Jefferson. Brilliant man.
FDR. What Balls.
Lincoln. Integrity
Worst
Clinton. Lack of integrity. Brought shame to the office and the country.
LBJ.
Dubya. I support him as President, but anyone with access to The Button should be able to pronounce "nuclear".
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
Best
1.) FDR
2.) Teddy Rooselvelt
Worst
1.) Clinton
2.) Coolidge
2.a) Lincoln
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Eric505 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 592 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1254 times:
BEST:
1) FDR
2) JFK
WORST:
1) Clinton
2) Carter
Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life
Bruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
Hurricane From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1440 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
Hey KROC, what did Calvin Coolidge ever do bad??? Come to think of it, did he ever do anything in the first place? Ol' Silent Cal...
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1236 times:
My bad Hurricane. I believe I was thinking of Harding instead.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
I would really like to know why you have Lincoln at the bottom?
He was probably one of the most principled and disciplined presidents. If you find the time, grab a copy of a book called "Lincoln on Leadership". It's not written by him, rather about him using the things he said and methods he used to interact with the many different persons with whom he dealt.
When I think of Lincoln, I think of the president Clinton COULD HAVE been if Bill had any integrity.
Gumah From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1230 times:
WORST:
1. Clinton and his creepy sidekick AL Gore
2. Carter
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Lincoln is at the bottom of my list because of this. Let me quote Kris Parker.
Lincoln said, in this piece here, he says... he frees the slaves; he said, "All slaves in armed rebellion." The slaves. Now understand one point: the African is not a slave, that's one point that they didn't realize when they were writin this. The African is not a slave. The
African has a history far more advanced than this nineteen-ninety history we're in right now. He's not a slave. Lincoln's ultimately sayin now you were born a slave, you'll always be a slave, and all I will ever see you as is a slave, and I free you.
Maybe to have Lincoln at the bottom is a little too far down, but he is far fro mthe best.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Lubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1225 times:
Coolidge could've done better to prevent the depression instead Hoover got the shit end of the stick.
Apparently his opposition would've done better.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Lubcha, just like Bush Sr. had the economy on the upswing, and Clinton got all the credit for it.
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Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1220 times:
I have no idea what point you are trying to make with the paragraph about Lincoln and slavery.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
Ham, I was gonna let it go, but seeign as how your a USAF officer, chances are your an intelligent enough guy. I'm former AF too.
The point I was making, is that Lincoln was seen as the black persons great savior, but in reality, if you really study his words, he called all blacks slaves. Not black people, or Africans...he called them slaves. He didn't say Africans being held as slaves or anything. Like in the quote, Lincoln's ultimately sayin now you were born a slave, you'll always be a slave, and all I will ever see you as is a slave, and I free you.
(Emancipation Proclimation)
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IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6203 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1205 times:
James Earl Carter listed twice as one of the worst? That's funny. Perhaps not the best president ever, but most certainly one of the best men to ever hold the office.
George Bush the senior was certainly the most qualified in the past 40 years. Clinton the biggest scum and Reagan the most over rated.
The jury is still out on shrub. I do believe that he is a man of priinipal. I'm just not sure how he would be doing without his "war on terror." Somewhat less well than what people see now I suspect.
What is it with all the "is there a possibilty airline X will.." threads? The answer it'll is possible.
Hamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
I'm won't claim to be an expert on Lincoln, but let's say that is exactly what he said. I think you have to put his words in the context of his time. I would venture to guess that almost every black person he ever met WAS a slave. I imagine it was hard for him, or any other American of the mid-19th century, to see an African as anything else.
At least, at a minimum, he recognized that Africans were entitled to be the masters of their own lives.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
Hamfist. He recognized that well into the Civil War, when who would win was still up in the air, and tipping to the South. He needed something to give the North the advantage again. That was it. Freeing the "Slaves".
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Apathoid. I agree with your worst! I am also a huge Ronnie fan as well. See, I'm not that much of a dick!
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Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
President Clinton does not deserve to share the same planet as President Carter.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Apathoid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
OMG - KROC likes the Gipper. I never would have guessed that. Guess I have to ratchet you up a few notches on my list.
I am not saying Jimmy Carter was a bad guy, I am saying he was a HORRIBLE president. He is a wonderful man and as honest as the day is long. And his work for Habitat for Humanity is wonderful. But the only president in modern times to do more to undermine the countries security and economy was comrade clinton.
BWIrwy4 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 940 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Best:
1. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Theodore Roosevelt/Harry Truman (tie)
Worst:
1. Richard Nixon
2. Warren G. Harding
3. Ulysses S. Grant
Carter was a largely ineffectual president, but he is the best ex-president, followed closely by John Quincy Adams.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Apatoid, Clinton may have been a bad person, but he will go down as a better president than most this century, simply because of the economic boom that took place under his tenure. And don't give all the credit to the GOP Congress. They had a hand in it, but in the same way that the Democratic Congress had a hand in the economic boom that took place when Reagan was in office. Same difference.
25 Mls515: Worst: 1. FDR (for locking up the Japanese) 2. Clinton (lack of integrity) Best: 1. Lincoln (for preserving the Union) 2. FDR (for getting the US thr
26 Apathoid: The clinton economy merely rode the coattails of Reagan and Bush. The best thing clinton did to the economy was that he didn't do anything at all.
27 Apathoid: Evidence also exists that clinton diliberately worked to undermine the economy during his last year in office in order to make Bush look bad. No, clin
28 Jsf119: Best Ronald Reagan Abraham Lincoln Worst Bill Clinton brought shame to american and PARTLY to blame for 9/11 LBJ
29 Metwrench: Anybody care to hear a Conservative's point of view? Worst: Carter: He was supposed to heal the so-called pain of the Nixon/Ford years. All he did was
30 FLY 8: For me as a European I share my opinion with many others, Clinton was ok, but NOBODY likes President Bush!! I also think President Bush is a shame for
31 Apathoid: clinton had no foreign policy and Bush has an 83% approval rating. and, who cares what europeons think?
32 FLY 8: I never heard something more ingnorant like that Apathoid! With that statement you disqualified yourself!!!!!
33 Toadpipe: Worst: Clinton, integrity. Lewinsky, ewwwww!! Nixon, integrity and he just didn't photograph well. I realise all presidents lie, cheat, and steal, but
34 KROC: Wow, I had no idea fly 8 was chosen to speek for all europeans?
35 SEVEN_FIFTY7: BEST: 1. William Jefferson Clinton 2. John F. Kennedy 3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt WORSE: 1. Ronald Reagan 2. Ronald Reagan 3. Ronald Reagan (I though
36 Hurricane: I don't get how you people think Clintion was the worst president...I'll be the first to admit, what he did was shameful and stupid, but it had no inf
37 B737-700: Aparthoid, shame on you for such a comment. Best : Clinton, JFK Worst : ??, Bush jnr.
38 Petertenthije: Well, Fly8 may not officially have been chosen to represent the Europeans, but I do agree with him.
39 JetService: JFK - Overrated. Only in office for 2 years. Last pres. to be put on currency. LBJ - Clinton's mentor (scumbag) Nixon - If not for burglary cover-up,
40 GDB: With my limited knowledge, I'll stick to the 20th century. Best; FDR, in both war and peace, a rare combination. Worst; Nixon, quite apart from his re
41 Airsicknessbag: Because of the impact American policy has had on world affairs in the 20th century (especially post WWII), both the best and the worst come form that
42 D L X: Whoa, KROC. Just lost serious points with me about liking Reagan. Can't see how one can rate so highly a president that ran up the national debt so hi
43 PPGMD: Wow you can really tell peoples political and moral views based on their selections. Worst: Clinton and Carter Best: FDR and Reagan. Here is my play b
44 N400QX: Wow... I can't believe some of the stuff I have read. Oh well, here are mine-- Worst: Wilson-- the whole WWI mess. "The president that paved the way f
45 NormalSpeed: Worst: 1. Bill Clinton. Not only morally bankrupt, but really didn't do anything but apologize to various groups. Oh, and did I mention that he was a
46 Flight152: This summed everything up very well, I hope people take note. "William Jefferson Clinton was elected President of the United States in 1992, and again
47 LH423: and, who cares what europeons think? Who cares what YOU think? Just because they're not from this country doens't invalidate their opinion! Anyways Be
48 KROC: LH423. Thank you for making the point about Wilson. You saved me the trouble. Also, Wilson handled the WWI situation as well as he could have. Do some
49 NormalSpeed: This summed everything up very well, I hope people take note. Clinton's website is hardly what I'd call objective.
50 Alessandro: Best, Clinton world seem like a more peaceful place with him in office. JFK didn´t start a nuclear war over Cuba, pushed for new technology. Worst, G
51 KROC: Alessandro, how many "wars" did Clinton have us in? Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, ect.
52 KROC: By the way, Clinton did more than any other president to downsize the military while extending the military presence across the world.
53 Saloth Sar: Worst: Warren G. Harding Richard M. Nixon Best: Franklin D. Roosevelt Thomas Jefferson I thought Lincoln was one of the best because he kept the Union
54 Hamfist: Personally, any president who thinks I should work my ass off to fund social programs for those to stoned, drunk or lazy to get off their asses and do
55 KROC: Maybe I should be more clear. Lincoln was not a bad president, but he is overrated in my opinion. People say he held the union together, but didn't pa
56 D L X: "Clinton's website is hardly what I'd call objective. " but, NormalSpeed is. Seriously, you can tell who the Republicans are here. If you put Reagan o
57 LOT767-300ER: Worst: Clinton, should be sitting in a federal prison for all the crap he pulled.
58 N400QX: >it wasn't Wilson who paved the way for WWII, it was the Republican congress that refused to pass his peace seeking measures like joining the League o
59 PPGMD: Well looked at what happened when he downsized the military the men in Somalia didn't have the heavy weapon support that they need. If you read the bo
60 Metwrench: The sad thing is that the US was not prepared for WW II. We sat back and watched for years while Europe and Canada fought. We watched for years the Ge
62 NormalSpeed: I'm going to go out on a limb and say you only vote for Republicans. Also, I can say if you put Clinton on your worst list, you either a) only vote fo
63 Apathoid: It's only flamebait if you are overly sensitive european. I merely stated my opinion that what europeans think about american policy doesn't matter a
64 PPGMD: Sorry I just wanted to use that picture, although I agree with what you say, I can only think that it can become flame war with that comment with Euro
65 NormalSpeed: I guess what Apathoid is trying to get at is this: If we Americans started rating who we thought was the best British Prime Minister, would it really
66 Apathoid: Thank you normal.,.. I wasn't so nice about it I suppose, but that was my point exactly. I don't remember the part of the Constitution that says we ha
67 N400QX: Apathoid-- I can't find that part either... nor is there a "bend over for the UN clause". Strange, one would think there was. I don't see why we shoul
68 NormalSpeed: I don't remember the part of the Constitution that says we have to care what Europe says... can someone enlighten me.... I have a huge respect for Eur
69 D L X: PPG, that is one cool-ass picture. NormalSpeed, "c) Would vote for an honest Democrat over a dishonest Republican, if given the opportunity. " So, I t
70 Apathoid: Gore? Honest? Since when? "I am from Tenn..." lie "I invented the internet..." lie "The combustion engine is the single biggest threat to mankind..."
71 D L X: The passage of mine that you quoted was not directed (solely) at you. However, this is: do you really think Clinton was worse than Harding? I mean, re
72 DeltaSFO: Best: Ronald Wilson Reagan... he showed us that conservatism DOES work. Worst: Bill "Slimeball" Clinton... without a doubt the most corrupt man ever t
73 Petertenthije: Hi guys, just here to defend Europe (sorry in advance ). I believe you are absolutely right not to give a lot of attention to the European opinion, ho
74 D L X: Okay, this is directed squarely at DeltaSFO: You mean to say that Clinton was more corrupt than Harding? How about Nixon? Please state reasons.
75 Ryanb741: I am a European, and IMHO Clinton was very media friendly to the rest of the world, but based on their contributions to the USA: BEST : Reagan, FDR WO
76 NormalSpeed: About Clinton. The guy might have been a good policy maker. The guy might have been media friendly (he apologized to everyone and their dogs). The guy
77 Pendrilsaint: Its very hard to choose two best presidents...it would be so much easier...to make an attempt at ranking them...but here we go... Best: 1)Teddy Roosev
78 N400QX: >For one, Reagan blew up the military to well more than what was needed. (You know that whole arms race thing with the Soviets.) Did it occur to you t
79 D L X: I knew I could count on you to only paste part of my post. You left out the following line: " Of course, I'll cede that it's debatable how much arming
80 KROC: Okay, first off, let me say that 90% of the presidents being mentioned for best or worst have all exsisted in the last half century or so. I know nobo
81 EIPremier: Here's my pick for the two best: Wilson---visionary (a bit too far ahead of his time, unfortuantely), kept us out of the war as long as possible (but
82 D L X: "I do know good music don't I?" Yeah, that's about all you know today. "What Clinton downsized in 8 years was more than 99% of other countrys military
84 D L X: There's an old phrase about old Southern Democrats that goes something like "I'd vote for the Democrat even if it was a yellow dawg running on the tic
85 NormalSpeed: (It's mostly in jest, but for some people... it just seems too real.) You know, that's too bad. As you may have guessed, I'm basically conservative. B
86 D L X: Well, as few people guess, I'm actually fairly conservative too. But, i don't believe in political parties. Too contradictory, and it's all just to ge
87 KROC: D L X, I only have a second, but here is something. "What Clinton downsized in 8 years was more than 99% of other countrys military's world wide. " So
88 Jwenting: Worst: Carter Clinton Ford Best: Eisenhower Bush Sr. (can't tell about Bush Jr. yet, but so far he too is doing a good job) Reagan
89 NormalSpeed: Unfortunately, pushing agendas has become the American way. Ughhhh.... Sad but true.
90 Sushka: Best: George Washington Abraham Lincoln Ronold Reagan Worst: Richard Nixon Bill Clinton
91 D L X: "As for him using the military to get his own discretions out of the headlines, he did that with an attack on Iraq, and on the attacks in the Sudan an
92 KROC: I don't think I fall into the blue-dog catagory, because I will not vote republican, just because I am one. I will vote for who I feel the better cand
93 Superfly: The two best were : 1. Jimmy Carter 2. John F. Kennedy Worst: !. Ronald Reagan 2. Until the current one is finished, I'd say Richard Nixon
94 KROC: Supefly with a nice 'objective' look at things.
95 D L X: "the ecomony made it's turn around on his [Bush I's] watch" Huh?! The recession was probably the whole reason Bush didn't get reelected. Did you forge
96 Superfly: D L X: Maybe he like his FDR because he's a native New Yorker. KROC as you may know is very objective.
97 TWFirst: Interesting how many of the conservatives in this thread call Clinton a scumbag and talk about how he disgraced the country, yet conveniently forget N
98 D L X: Makes ya say hmmmm... doesn't it? (Although, I personally don't see Iran-Contra as a corruption scandal. Reagan was clearly trying to bring our boys h
99 TWFirst: Perhaps, but he still lied. And he broke laws. Clinton didn't break any laws in getting some poontang on the side... and he should never have been for
100 KROC: Great Superfly, OUTSTANDING Crackback. What, no Solath? D L X. I will revise. I should not have had Clinton on as my worst president. By far he wasn't
101 Aviatsiya.ru: Come on man....don't go using logic in these forums. It is like banging your head against a brick wall. I also have to laugh at those same people who
102 Superfly: KROC: Wendell Wilkie republican would have made a great President. What's with the Saloth comment? I don't get it.
103 Goboeing: Two top: Ronald Reagan Teddy Roosevelt Bottom two: Bill Clinton Jimmy Carter
104 Superfly: Goboeing: I guess your high school history teacher is rather biased.
105 N400QX: >You think that some B-Grade actor was responsible for the collapse of the USSR? You think that your system was so superior to theirs? Ugh, you're bac
106 TWFirst: >>TWFirst, last time I checked, Adultery wasn't exactly legal in a sense when your married. Nor is it morally correct. A great message to send to the
107 KROC: TWFirst. Your takes are lost on me, because I am not a "puritanical" republican. I am extremely liberal for a republican. Been accused of being a clos
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