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Hail And Farewell, Europe!  
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Normally, I don't touch anything this guy writes with a 10-foot pole. It wasn't filled with the normal histronics and bombast that are common with this man. A very, very interesting read.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/2002/03/05/ncguest1.htm

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Patrick Buchanan: Europe is done.

Well done, actually!  Big thumbs up

Patrick Buchanan: Her crusades are history, her empires gone, her glory and greatness behind her.

Oh, yeah; Those were the days... When you could invade other countries on a whim; Slaughter the jews, enslave the survivors and ransack the chests and cellars... Burn anyone you please for being a witch... Conquer the world and put down native civilizations... steal their treasures and destroy everything dear to them...

Those were the days! Sigh!  Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic

Patrick Buchanan: Europe wants to enjoy her golden years in peace and quiet consumption, as she slowly passes away.

Yeah; Just instead of spending our between-meals-time with scrabble and bridge, we´re wasting it on such negligible things as peacefully uniting a formerly warring and in-fighting continent... Hasn´t everybody done that, once in a while? Peanuts, really!  Wink/being sarcastic

Patrick Buchanan: Best we leave her alone with her memories and her scrapbooks.

You´re too kind, Mr. Buchanan. We wouldn´t have known what to do without you. You´re so right!  Big thumbs up

Patrick Buchanan: Ave atque vale, Europa. Hail and farewell, Europe.

Wow, he even knows a Latin phrase! Well, then, a learned man such as him would of course be right with everything he thinks and says. Any dispute would be in vain!

Patrick Buchanan: Patrick Buchanan's newest book is The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization.

If it´s printed, it must be true, isn´t it?  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Maybe the truth hurts, Klaus, else you wouldn't have been so vociferous in your howling. I see you offered no rebuttal, excpet to excoriate the author. Is that the best you can do??

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

As long as the USA continues to be the world's economic leader, the immigrants will choose to live in the USA.

It's common knowledge that you move to a new place because of better job prospects.

They did it at Ellis Island and they still are doing it.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

The way things are going, Europe, by 2050, will be in the Islamic sphere of influence. Then where will all the Europeans flee to?

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Alpha 1: Maybe the truth hurts, Klaus, else you wouldn't have been so vociferous in your howling.

Actually, I was howling with laughter, if you really managed to miss it...  Big thumbs up

Alpha 1: I see you offered no rebuttal, excpet to excoriate the author. Is that the best you can do??

Right now, yes, it isBig grin
But tomorrow - if I haven´t died out till then - I may have composed myself enough to collect a response that is at least slightly less absurd than the original text...  Wink/being sarcastic

Thank you! You made my day!!  Smile


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

This whole world and everything within it seems to act like a self-balancing scale. Leaning too far to one side causes it to exert an equal and opposing force.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

If it made your day, then you must not realize how sorry Europe is getting to be, as a force in the world. That's your problem though. For once in my life, I agree with that right-wing loonie. Every dog has his day, I guess.

It's too bad that Europe is all washed up.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

This whole world and everything within it seems to act like a self-balancing scale. Leaning too far to one side causes it to exert an equal and opposing force.

Hepkat, please enlighten us as to what that means in the context of this story?


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Some people take good ole Pat way too seriously. Big grin


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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Oh well, The Mexicans are reconquering the US, and the Muslims are reconquering Europe. Where's a right wing zealot supposed to live these days anyway?

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Rather than retreating into its shell, the EU supertate has been set up to DIRECTLY compete with the USA. Why does nobody see that, preferring to cite 'harmonisation' BS

As for immigrants going to the USA - the EU as a whole receives roughly 11 times more immigrants per year than the USA.

If anything, the US is losing power - just watch the Chinese begin to expand control economically. I do agree that the developing world will give rise to a new powerhouse within 10 years or so, especially the Far East.



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

200 years ago everyone thought the Dutch empire would never fall.

100 years ago everyone thought the English empire would never fall.

Now everyone (in the US anyway) thinks the US empire will never fall. Does anyone happen to see a pattern?

As I see it, the US is going down slowly, and Europe is going up slowly. Going up fast is Asia. They will overtake the US and Europe with it. It won't happen today, it wont happen tommorow, but it will happen.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

"Europe — wholly dependent on Arab and Gulf oil"

As opposed to the US - which isn't???? (And don't talk to me about Alaska - it's peanuts).

I was treating this article with a modicum of respect until the last quarter. Mr. Buchanan, if European Immigration is such a bad thing, why is it OK for the US? I believe there are more Muslims going to the US than Europe anyway - why should Europe not be able to cope with them?

And don't give me that 'never experienced mass immigration' line - Europe was accepting people across its borders when the US was sitting in it's own shit. Case in point - Even prior to 1900, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone out of the UK's then 40 million people who could be counted as an 'Ethnic Briton' - were all Anglo Saxons in varying forms - Scottish, Irish, Scandinavian, French, German etc. etc. It's just happening on a larger scale.

Perhaps the real reason is Mr. Buchanan recognising that the 'war on terror' is flawed (why not 'war on the causes of terror' - and put terrorism in the bin forever - but wouldn't that mean kicking out regimes in Kuwait, Saudi and UAE which support the US with their oil?!) and that with a population of 400 million people shortly to be united, the days of US economic superiority may in fact be numbered?


User currently offlineEal401 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

That's all cool with me. When President "Duh"bya Bush made his Axis of Evil speech (complete with trademark smirk), all the European heads of state went "Um, was that a good idea saying that?" Which distanced themselves from it. Which indicated a lack of support for it. That makes Europe look weak?

What it does mean is that the next terror attack by people that statement WILL have pissed off WILL be on US soil.

It would be preferable if that didn't happen of course, but if it does I would rather see American cities attacked and American civilians killed than my own thank you very much. Particularly if it has been because of some ill-thought comment. Next time, it might be a nuke and not an airliner, and I don't want that in my country because someone has associated us with the same comment.

When it was suggested that Sep 11 was due to the perception of America in the eyes of the perpatrators, i.e. that America was arrogant, people were on here screaming blue murder. Yet, your president then made a speech like that. Hardly backed anyone up did it?

The reason Europe didn't like it (and other countries) is because the statement was hugely provocative. All I can say is don't go crying to anyone when the news if filled with dead American civilians because someone took exception to the comment. This is the real world, it's not like this forum, where everything is "fought" with words! People hear their country refered to as evil, they get annoyed. And they can hit back.

Funny how if someone mouths off America, they are OBL loving scum, yet America can say what they like when they like isn't it.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

>>As I see it, the US is going down slowly, and Europe is going up slowly.<<

How, what, why, when, where.......


Please add facts to your comments. We are still an economic superpower, a military superpower, and all the other superpowers. I believe this is generally understood by the world.



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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

That article really cracked me up. I wonder...if in 1950 there were such articles about how Europe would be so over populated in a few decades?  Laugh out loud

Also, after every war in the middle east, Europe is overflooded with refugees, perhaps an other reason we don't want another war?

Thanks for giving us this...errr...intelligent article  Big thumbs up



User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Eal401-

>>I would rather see American cities attacked and American civilians killed than my own thank you very much.<<

That's disgusting.



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User currently offlineEal401 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Maybe so, but when it's the leader of that country who has been provocative, as Bush was with his axis of evil speech, I would rather his country suffer the consequences of his actions and not anyone else for being considered allies of that country.

Better it didn't happen at all (which you'd have known had you bothered reading all of my post), but that is an unrealistic wish given the fanatics that will have been annoyed by such sabre-rattling.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

PanAm747: We are still an economic superpower, a military superpower, and all the other superpowers. I believe this is generally understood by the world.

Check your facts, please! The military area is basically the only one where the USA are still #1.

Economically, even the Euro-Zone is bigger than the USA. And that doesn´t include Britain, not to speak of the new candidate countries.

Politically, the USA have more or less completely abandoned any leadership. It´s all about the military now; Political influence and credibility are decreasing as we speak.

Politically, Europe has worked consistently on building mutual relationships all over the world. Most people just prefer to deal with others on a level playing field, for some reason.

The european union - troubled as it still may be - is another asset: Formerly bitter enemies have demonstrated that it´s possible to come to a true peace through pragmatic cooperation. Building stable and mutually satisfying relationships between partners of very different kinds and sizes isn´t easy, but we managed to do it. Europe can be a model for peaceful and constructive solutions in many regions of the world.

The modern USA have a rather troubled record when it comes to foreign relations. Often well intentioned on the surface, but even more frequently driven by an urge to dominate rather than cooperate. As a consequence, most nations still want to have positive relations with the USA, but there´s not really a lot of trust. Trust is something between friends; Minions are kept in line by fear only.

Breaking treaties left and right whenever it seems profitable won´t promote trust in the US government, either.

Democracy? The latest presidential election has cast a pretty unflattering light on the US system. "Buying influence" á la Enron won´t help much, either. Certainly not everything is "better" over here, but I´d still prefer our german system by far. (Which is quite similar to most other european countries.)

Human rights? Death penalty, discussion about re-introduction of torture; Large influence of religious bigotry; Breaking of international treaties, consistently supporting dictators and oppressive regimes as long as they are "useful" - the list goes on!


No, the USA definitely aren´t "evil"; And I´m confident that they´re strong enough to overcome many of their problems. And even willing to do so on many counts...  Wink/being sarcastic
The USA have often been a positive and stabilizing influence; It would be good to see more of that in the future.

Is Europe trouble-free, on the other hand? Not a chance! We just learned to cope with difficulties realistically, even if often the hard way. Slowly growing out of the near-complete military dependency on the USA (which had been quite comfortable for both sides, by the way Wink/being sarcastic) will take time. But when it comes to self-defense and the implementation of peace initiatives, stronger participation will be necessary.

Europe and the USA will still (and should!) stand together in the world. Neither side has the right to disregard the other.

I think the main difference between Europe and the USA is not so much in the basic values or in some kind of absolute "quality" (whatever that might be); It´s more in the sense of reality, looking at others and at oneself with the emphasis on learning instead of vain self-congratulation.

And I don´t think that even the mightiest military force can supply a substitute for that.


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Until last January, Europeans and the US were unshakeable friends and allies. It is sad that the current US President has sought to end this relationship, apparently forever, as there can be no turning back once the forces of insularity are unleashed in the US. As we have seen all too well in Europe, the next step is fascism and national hysteria.



User currently offlineLautir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

USA an economic superpower???

US Mills filing for protection

Since October 2000, these steel mills have filed for bankruptcy protection:
Company Headquarters
Act Bending & Steel Peoria, Ill.
Bethlehem Steel Bethlehem, Pa.
East Coast Sheet Metal Willards, Md.
Edgewater Steel Oakmont, Pa.
Erie Bronze & Aluminum Erie, Pa.
Erie Forge & Steel Erie, Pa.
Excaliber Tubular Ballwin, Mo.
Form Tech Steel Temperance, Mich.
Freedom Forge Burnham, Pa.
Great Lakes Metals Bridgeview, Ill.
GS Industries Charlotte
Hannibal Iron & Metal Hannibal, Mo.
Heartland Steel Terre Haute, Ind.
Industrial Metals of the South Fort Lauderdale
Laclede Steel St. Louis
Mountain Metal Products Margaretville, N.Y.
National Metal Technologies Oceanside, Calif.
Northwest Structural Steel Wauconda, Ill.
Ottawa River Steel Toledo, Ohio
Precision Specialty Metals Los Angeles
Ranken Ironworks Champaign, Ill.
Renco Group New York
Riverview Steel Glassport, Pa.
Smith Steel Casting Marshall, Texas
Southeastern Steel Florence, S.C.
Specialty Steel Machining Hammond, Ill.
Swedish Metal Pendergrass, Ga.
Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel Wheeling, W.Va.
Winthrop Steel Fitchburg, Mass.

Source: BankruptcyData.com


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Klaus you seem pretty confused...

In another thread:

Tbar220: So now, IMHO, the United States needs to step in and intensly try to broker a peace deal. George Bush is doing absolutely nothing to force a peace between the two, saying that it is up to the Israelis and Palestinians.

Klaus-I agree.


In this thread:

Politically, the USA have more or less completely abandoned any leadership.

Another statement by you:

The modern USA have a rather troubled record when it comes to foreign relations. Often well intentioned on the surface, but even more frequently driven by an urge to dominate rather than cooperate. As a consequence, most nations still want to have positive relations with the USA, but there´s not really a lot of trust. Trust is something between friends; Minions are kept in line by fear only.

But then a statement by your friendly European leader says this:

``We should make sure these very brave people who lost their lives did not do so in vain,'' British Prime Minister Tony Blair said in Australia, calling for the world to redouble its efforts to stamp out terrorism.-From Fox News

So what is it everyone, you act like women shopping for clothes.






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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Scotty-

>>Until last January, Europeans and the US were unshakeable friends and allies. It is sad that the current US President has sought to end this relationship<<

Again, you better check with Mr. Blair first.

Lautir-

That makes no sense.

Let's compare the growth of technology in Silicon valley with Europe then.



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

EAL, you've put yourself right up there with Goodbye, ADG and these other mindless idiots who are such cowards deep at heart. And, as usual, you put the cart before the horse. Here we have countries that our President has named, that have been "provocative" for years-exporting arms and terror all over the world, and you have the gonads to say Bush is provocative? What reality do you live in.

And your statement about that you'd rather see Americans die than those in your own country is such a pathetic, cowardly statement, that it is breathtaking in it's utter inhumanity. Then you slavishly try to cover your arse by saying "oh, but better it didn't happen at all". Then why didn't you have the grace just to say that, instead of saying "well, if it's going to happen, better some Americans and their provocative president".

The attacks were on American soil, but OBL has said himself that it was an attack against Western culture-last time I looked you country was part of that Western, democratic culture. If you had half a brain, you'd realize that it was an attack on an ideal, a way of life, a shared vision that the U.S. and Europe have shared for quite a long time: the ideals of freedom and liberty; a way of life that allows one to become anything they want; a shared vision that the world is decent and tolerant. This scumbag OBL, and those like him wish not to only destry the US, but all of Western civilization. Remember that in all your damnations of the US. Would you rather live in an OBL world, or a world like the US and Britian and other western countries have enjoyed?

You're pathetic rationalizations is EXACTLY why the U.S. can no longer count on Europe as a trusted ally-because of selfish, cowardly statements such as this-not only by the likes of you, but European leaders as well, who have expressed similar sentiments. Maybe the attack won't come there simply because there's nothing there worth attacking, perhaps?

Whatever small amount of respect I had for you is forever gone. If you truly wish that anything bad happen, happen to me and my citizens, you can go jump in the lake.


25 Joona : Alpha 1, if the Finnish president made this speech about the "axis of evil," wouldn't you rather hope Finland and Finnish citizen to be killed than th
26 Post contains links Lautir : PanAm747: "growth of technology" in Silicon Valley: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1608000/1608023.stm
27 PanAm747 : Obviously economies run in cycles. Companies can't make profits for 10,000 years in a row.
28 Staffan : "Obviously economies run in cycles." So does birth rates...
29 Alpha 1 : Check your facts, please! The military area is basically the only one where the USA are still #1. ROTFL, Klaus, show me someone who is a bigger econom
30 Klaus : PanAm747: Klaus you seem pretty confused... In another thread: Tbar220: So now, IMHO, the United States needs to step in and intensly try to broker a
31 PanAm747 : You keep talking about the EU instead of specific countries. Well the USA can theoretically set up a similar organization and then compare itself to t
32 Alpha 1 : Alpha 1, if the Finnish president made this speech about the "axis of evil," wouldn't you rather hope Finland and Finnish citizen to be killed than th
33 NoUFO : What a weird attempt to promote a - let's say: *atchoo* controversial *caught*- book ... It is true: The US is - at least: currently - superior in man
34 Staffan : You are comparing NAFTA to the EU?? Give it a break...
35 Eal401 : I'd rather see no-one die at all thank you very much. Your comments are a touch hypocritical from someone who's country has openly and gleefully celeb
36 PanAm747 : Where is the help from Europe? On one hand you say that the foreign relations of the USA makes terrrorists but in the same breathyou want Bush to do m
37 Arsenal@LHR : "You're pathetic rationalizations is EXACTLY why the U.S. can no longer count on Europe as a trusted ally-because of selfish, cowardly statements such
38 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1You're pathetic rationalizations is EXACTLY why the U.S. can no longer count on Europe as a trusted ally-because of selfish, cowardly statement
39 PanAm747 : >>You are comparing NAFTA to the EU?? Give it a break...
40 Heavymetal : I find it a bit suspect that Buchanan quotes figures from a United Nations project.....an organization he has made no secret of the fact that he despi
41 Joona : Alpha 1: I would have applauded the Finnish leader for standing up for what is right. I never said that statement wasn't right. It was and I fully sup
42 Alpha 1 : Your comments are a touch hypocritical from someone who's country has openly and gleefully celebrated murdering women and children in Afghanistan (Oh
43 Rickster : With the maybe most spectacular, controversial and fascinating process in its own difficult history - becoming Europe. With all its positive and negat
44 NoUFO : Alpha1, The attacks were on American soil, but OBL has said himself that it was an attack against Western culture-last time I looked you country was p
45 Eal401 : ROTFL!! You been wataching too much Al-Quaeda propoganda, EAL401? ROTFL! Gleefully killing woman and children? Where is the glee? Actually that commen
46 Post contains images 764er : Why is it that Europeans are blinded by ignorance and self-denial when it comes to this issue? Only people outside Europe have an unbiased, clear view
47 Joona : Europe have an unbiased, clear view of what is happening. I mean, surely you can't accurately tell us what is going on in your own country. You seem t
48 Post contains images 764er : Thank you Joona for illustrating the point BEAUTIFULLY.
49 Arsenal@LHR : Why do people like alpha always start threads like these "hail and farewell, europe! as soon as you look at it, you know where it's heading. It all en
50 Joona : Btw. I'm very interested to see Alpha 1 hasn't bothered replying to my post. No wonder, though. Probably because he would have answered Finland to my
51 Eal401 : I mean, surely you can't accurately tell us what is going on in your own country. (deep breath) Well, if you insist, I can have a go on behalf of the
52 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: ROTFL, Klaus, show me someone who is a bigger economic superpower? The EU? Please. China. Riiight. Another person with his head in the sand!
53 Alpha 1 : Europe has enough stuff to deal with. Europe is busy at the moment. Rickster, what do you think Europe had been like in December 1941, after Pearl Har
54 Arsenal@LHR : I agree with Eal401. Spot on
55 Alpha 1 : Why do people like alpha always start threads like these "hail and farewell, europe! as soon as you look at it, you know where it's heading. It all en
56 Alpha 1 : Uh, Klaus, look at my post where it's entitled "PanAm747" is. That's your answer. Obviously, you didn't bother reading that one. Learn to read before
57 Arsenal@LHR : The fools are the ones who start threads like this and go around claiming their country is the biggest/best/greatest/most powerful etc. Arsenal@LHR
58 Alpha 1 : My apologies, Klaus, I refereed to you when I should have referred to Joona's post. I beg your Pardon. Joona, read what I referenced to when I posted
59 Rickster : Alpha 1 with all respect for the victims, even in my wildest imagination i wouldn´t dare to compare WWII with September 11. Regards
60 Post contains images Alpha 1 : The fools are the ones who start threads like this and go around claiming their country is the biggest/best/greatest/most powerful etc. We are the mos
61 Arsenal@LHR : OK, lets all stop now, its getting out of hand
62 Klaus : Alpha 1: Uh, Klaus, look at my post where it's entitled "PanAm747" is. That's your answer. Obviously, you didn't bother reading that one. Learn to rea
63 Alpha 1 : So, you don't even have the grace to accept a sincere apology? I answered Joona-I told him I didn't agree with him. Duh-that was my opinion! What's so
64 Post contains images Staffan : "Comparing the EU to the USA in terms of trade just isn't possible." Why not? The EU is more than just a trade union. With a common economy, laws, job
65 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: My apologies, Klaus, I refereed to you when I should have referred to Joona's post. I beg your Pardon. Okay. It´s probably the right time to
66 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: So, you don't even have the grace to accept a sincere apology? When I´m doing this in between work, my posts may take a while. Even more so
67 Joona : Alpha 1 has yet to answer my question. I'll make it 3rd time now: Alpha 1, if the Finnish president said something bad, which one would you choose to
68 777236ER : Alpha 1, you're gonna hurt yourself if you keep on rolling on the floor laughing.
69 Post contains images 764er : more like Joona ---> But maybe you should ask your question again. I'm not sure anyone paid attention to you the first 3 times. With good reason...
70 Post contains images Scotty : Duh I forgot what the question was after all that stuff
71 PROSA : Just to weigh in here ... First of all, Pat Buchanan is not what anyone would call a highly respected political commentator. While he has some devoted
72 Scorpio : Joona, Maybe you should just give up. He's not going to answer your question. I speak of experience. One of the reasons I don't argue with that Alpha
73 Alpha 1 : Joona, I would NOT choose between either, because neither deserve to die. But you seem to be saying that US citizens DESERVE to die because of the pol
74 Alpha 1 : Oh, Scorpio, if you noticed, I answered the question. And you haven't changed either: you're still one of the biggest horses rear ends on here.
75 Sebolino : This text seems to be of very bad quality. "The birth rate of America's native born is also below replacement levels, but an estimated 1.5 million leg
76 Hepkat : Sebolina, a bit off topic, but actually, the population in Europe IS declining. The EU countries are not taking in enough immigrants to replenish the
77 PROSA : The birth rate of America's native born is also below replacement levels, but an estimated 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants yearly, and their
78 Eal401 : Immigrants in the United States tend to assimilate into the national culture more quickly than do immigrants in Europe. Fair point. Probably the US cu
79 GDB : Pat Buchanan? The anti-semite who said the US should have kept out of world war 2? Taking him seriously is no different to respecting the leader of th
80 Joona : Scorpio: Yes, you're right. I've noticed it myself so many times. Joona, I would NOT choose between either, because neither deserve to die. Of course
81 EGGD : Hey, Its one of those 'lets post this totally crap article, which is full of shit, just to see the reactions of the forum members and then we can just
82 Post contains images Sebolino : I doubt that the population is declining in the EU, but it may be true as I don't know the numbers. At least, I'm sure that the population is growing
83 Sebolino : Oh, French is already an official language. I wanted to say: universal language.
84 FLY 8 : Alpha 1, I don´t understand a few things here! First you say, that you normaly don´t read any articels of this guy! (Why?) But this one is ok, becau
85 Alpha 1 : Sebolino, if French becomes a universal language, will the world adopt the tendencies to cave in to terrorists and nations like Iraq; have a false air
86 Sebolino : "Sebolino, if French becomes a universal language, will the world adopt the tendencies to cave in to terrorists and nations like Iraq; have a false ai
87 Post contains images Alpha 1 : LOL, I don't hate France at all. I just think it's one of the strangest countries around. My, yanking your chain is so easy, Sebolino! And isn't amazi
88 Radarbeam : Another BS article from a guy that doesn't know what he is talking about, sounds like some members here.
89 Klaus : Alpha 1: My, yanking your chain is so easy, Sebolino! And isn't amazing, when jerks like you are confronted with something you don't like, that the pe
90 Alpha 1 : But when your spiteful tirades are so patently based on prejudice and misunderstood or false information time and time again, it really gets embarrass
91 NWA742 : Hey Alpha 1, I just thought I'd say that I support you 100% on this thread. I agree with just about everything you said. Exellent posts indeed! Best R
92 Racko : Alpha 1, just one question: Is the stuff you wrote in this thread your true opinion, or do you just try to be funny ? And if it is, how many % of the
93 Alpha 1 : Racko, are YOUR opinions on here your true opinions? LOL-they're MY opinions. Why would you even ask such a question. I leave sarcasm-for the most par
94 Leftseat86 : That article is retarded.
95 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: What's embarrassing is the reaction to this post from our European friends on this forum. The same people who are always complaining and blam
96 OO-AOG : Europe might be dead and washed up, well that's a point of view. But I still love to live here, a place where you can enjoy personal freedom like nowh
97 Arsenal@LHR : Why hasn't this thread been archived yet?
98 Alpha 1 : being un-informed and prejudiced. Pulling that old chestnut out of the fire? I consider myself very informed, Klaus. I follow national and world event
99 FLY 8 : Great OO- AOG! Nice post!!
100 Alpha 1 : Yeah, Fly-8, it just choked me all up!! Sniff! OO-AOG has already seemingly giving up his national identity to this "greater Europe" idea, even if som
101 Staffan : Good post OO-AOG!!
102 FLY 8 : Why ist that not quite true: Freedoms like nowhere else??
103 Post contains images Staffan : Fly8, because Alpha 1 owns the right to say that about his country..
104 Alpha 1 : Because, Fly-8, he left out one nation that has more freedoms that the EU. And you can argue with me over that point till hell freezes over, but Europ
105 FLY 8 : So wich Nation? Please Tell me why!
106 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Correction, Staffan, I have the freedom to say that. But you guys over there can go on believing what you want, even if it isn't accurate.
107 Staffan : Well, tell us about some rights we haven't got. I want to know what I'm missing.
108 FLY 8 : Yeah, and please tell us what we are missing!
109 Post contains images Alpha 1 : ROTFL. You guys are funny. I'm sure, if left to your lights, you'd convince the world that China has more freedoms than the US, let alone the EU. Than
110 Staffan : You tried to make a point, but not even prepared to prove it... you are loosing your credibility here my friend..
111 Eg777er : Go on, Alpha 1, tell us the rights you enjoy as a citizen of the United States that I don't enjoy as one of the United Kingdom? I'm itching for you to
112 Alpha 1 : Staffan, you didn't ask OO-AOG to "prove" his point about European freedoms, so why turn around and demand "proof" from me? You don't wan't proof to b
113 Post contains images Staffan : Hahaha....Umm....since I live here, and agree to what OO-AOG just wrote, why should I ask him to prove something that I believe is true... Still waiti
114 Alpha 1 : Eg77er, I did not say that the UK was any less free than the US, now did I? I was debating the point that Europe is more free than anywhere else in th
115 FLY 8 : Alpha 1 on this I have to agree with you! It makes no more sense to discuss more!
116 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: Pulling that old chestnut out of the fire? I consider myself very informed, Klaus. I follow national and world events as close as I can, and
117 Post contains images Alpha 1 : That would all be nice and fine if you occasionally exhibited some hint of background knowledge. And just what do you mean by "background knowledge"?
118 Post contains links and images Klaus : Alpha 1: And just what do you mean by "background knowledge"? Going to a site that's not pro-American and getting my information from there? No. Not p
119 OO-AOG : Alpha1, my post was not against your country but, once again, you are telling everyone how good and better you are. So you want examples why Europeans
120 Alpha 1 : None a single US citizen on this forum disagree with Bush foreign policies while us, Europeans, are often disagreeing with our government's politics.
121 Post contains images OO-AOG : Alpha 1 First thing, take it easy ok? Second thing, I am often in AZ and if I remember well there's at least one city where you can't smoke in the str
122 Post contains images Klaus : OO-AOG: Alpha1, my post was not against your country but, once again, you are telling everyone how good and better you are. So you want examples why E
123 Post contains images Klaus : Alpha 1: There is an American saying, OO-AOG: politics ends at the waters' edge. That means the when we come into a conflict, we rally behind our lead
124 Alpha 1 : I agree that it´s right to rally behind your leader if he´s pursuing the right goals for the preservation and defense of the nation. In my judgement
125 Klaus : Klaus: I agree that it´s right to rally behind your leader if he´s pursuing the right goals for the preservation and defense of the nation. Alpha 1:
126 Alpha 1 : Pursuing the remaining bad guys in Afghanistan is necessary, but as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell at least originally agreed, broad military attac
127 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Smoking? ehhh nasty..all of you will die of cancer
128 Leftseat86 : What I find hilarious is that NO ONE in this whole thread has any say in world politics. Sure, we can vote for a President, but could we have voted on
129 Klaus : Alpha 1: Are you suggesting that any action beyond Afghanistan is not an acceptable goal? I´m suggesting (and it just needs reminding that this was o
130 Twaneedsnohelp : I think the funniest post was Lautir's listing of the "mills" filing for bankruptcy protection. If he thinks the strength of our country has any relat
131 Prebennorholm : Let me have just one guess: That man Patrick Buchanan is American, not European. Am I right? I don't know that man - never heard of him. And sure I do
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