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Are Norwegians Racist?  
User currently offlineSmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Okay, I know the thread title is very general and even unfair in making a statement that implies that 4.5 million people are one single unit, but, as an immigrant who has lived in Norway for 4 years now I have just about given up on trying to NOT generalize on this topic here.

Having faced continued discrimination in housing, employment and just in general and witnessed an increasing amount of anti-immigrant behavior thrust on others I don't know how I can continue to justify what I have experienced here by saying that the laws-on-the-books make up for it. On paper this seems to be the perfect society - equality rules whether you are female, gay/lesbian, an ethnic minority etc., but reality has been something very different for myself and my partner, who is also an immigrant, and for the vast majority of other immigrants I have spoken with.

There is a balance, legally, in wages which offer handsome salaries even to entry-level, unskilled workers, but the reality on the ground is very different for many of us that are not ethnic Norwegians. This article shows what appears to be an extreme case, but it is happening all over the country to too many people and I myself have had to fight for my legally guaranteed minimum salary (amongst other things) so often that I quite my job:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article2302860.ece

And this indicates the general lack of respect for non-ethnic Norwegian workers:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/business/article1796611.ece


My partner and myself know exactly how these people feel, we have faced extreme discrimination when trying to rent apartments and also when we tried to buy:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2218842.ece

Alright, I know that using the same source for primary source material isn't the most convincing statement, but I don't have time right now to search for other sources other than this national newspaper and it's articles. But my personal life also counts for something in this....

I have personally, first hand, witnessed 2 Roma (Gypsy, to use the non p.c. term) people being attacked within the past 5 weeks on the streets of the city in which I live. Both instances were on weekend evenings when most, it seems, Norwegians of all ages go out binge drinking. The first was a man who had a shoeshine box set on the pavement and a group of Norwegian men came up on him just in front of me. They stopped and one said in english to the Roma guy, "What are you doing here?", and kicked his shoeshine box, scattering it's contents. The second instance happened about a week ago when a Roma women was walking around selling single roses on the street. I was sitting on a bench in a pedestrian street and near me she went up to a Norwegian walking in the opposite direction. He simply shoved his slice of pizza in her face.

And recently at the biggest hospital in our city my partner, who had broken his hand at work, and I were waiting in line for a taxi after his cast was put on. There were several Norwegian taxi drivers who refused to take us, and after waiting over 20 minutes a driver came up and asked where we needed to go. After getting in the taxi and speaking to him we learned he is...... an immigrant from Serbia. No surprise there, we have gotten used to it!

I'm sick of it. I want to leave here. As if the bad food and shitty weather weren't enough...

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

My Ethiopian colleague said his years in Norway were a lot of fun and it sounded like little or no racism (compared to ... I dunno?). He said even his Norwegian roommates were hard to get to know, but were good people once he knew them. I guess what position you're in.... obviously if you're a street beggar, Norwegians, Swiss, or Japanese are not going to know what to do. They will make every effort to remove those people.


That stinks if you are being mistreated! It sounds like there is a "dark" side to Norway as well as a good side. But the fact is, they need immigrants in Norway!

[Edited 2008-07-13 10:37:48]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9700 times:

Have to say I loved my time on vacation in Norway and everyone I met was helpful and pleasant. I know its different living there and being on vacation but I guess there are racist and bad elements in most countries around the world. Those experiences you have had personally or witnessed personally are not acceptable and I have to say Im very surprised. Kudos to the Serbian taxi driver though. I guess non nationals stick together.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9677 times:
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Quoting SmokinL1011 (Thread starter):
I'm sick of it. I want to leave here.

So go. Good luck finding a non-racist country.



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9673 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 3):
So go. Good luck finding a non-racist country.

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There are racists in every country in the world. But I guess some countries have it worse than others.



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User currently offlineSmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Of course these issues are not particular to Norway. Racism is in every country and in each society to some extent. And I didn't mean to imply that all people here act in such a way. I am just at a loss as to what to think at this point and how to deal with it because it is going on too much to me personally and in cases I witness first hand.

I have lived in 3 countries outside my native country and have to say I did not experience these type of issues in the other two places at such a severe level as here in Norway. I lived in Israel for 4 years, mostly in Tel-Aviv, the most Jewish place on Earth. I am not Jewish and I never had any problem renting an apartment or room there. Never had any problem at all making friends, socializing and if I had trouble finding work it was in the beginning when my hebrew wasn't up to par. I can count on one hand with fingers left to spare how many times in Israel someone was outright racist towards me.

And I lived in Turkey for 1 1/2 years, a country which is over 97% Muslim. I'm not Muslim and I am American and my whole time in Turkey I never experienced any overt problems. And many high school and college aged people were eager to discuss politics and express concerns about American foreign policy, but never did anyone make totalitarian or racist statements.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

I have to say, I have never seen severe racist activity. I do however, live away, and when I'm back in Norway I'm far north. I don't go to the larger cities. There are however, a lot of immigrants up north as well, but I have never seen anyone commit racist activity against any of them.

I'm sorry that you are not being treated with the respect that you deserve, but I can assure you most Norwegians are not like the ones you describe. Where in Norway do you live (I'm guessing somewhere in Oslo), there are probably certain areas that are more racist than others. Often this happens in areas with a lot of immigrants coming in, this is not just Norway, but just about everywhere.

But with this said, this activity is unacceptable and it is sickening that there is so much racism everywhere. Be assured, there are places with a lot more racist activity than Norway.

Hopefully times change for the better.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9544 times:

My best friend is Norwegian and I have myself visited Oslo on multiple occasions. From my experience and from talking to my friend, a lot of the racism towards immigrants stems from the poor job that the Norwegian government does at controlling crime. Since perpetrators are going unpunished or with just a slap on the wrist, it makes it easier for a few bad apples to give a bad name to all immigrants.

As my friend was walking with her mother on a major street in central Oslo last fall in mid afternoon, a guy of Asian descent, hit her mother in the HEAD to steal her purse and the woman collapsed. He ended up leaving empty handed because a private security guy came to help, but the poor woman needed to go to the hospital. Let's just say that the response from the police was a joke. And those types of attacks were common and this wasn't a one off incident.

Now, my friend's parents are putting their boat up for sale only one year after they bought it because people keep stealing stuff from their boat and they just don't need the hassle anymore. Apparently there is a criminal network of nationals from one eastern European country that is well known to target boats but the government is doing nothing (or little) to stop it.

Now obviously my information on the matter is limited and potentially biased since I've heard the information only from a Norwegian point of view and I don't personally know any immigrants there. But as I said earlier, I do believe that some of this racism is exactly because the government is too soft with punishing criminal elements in the immigrant community. I'm not saying that justifies racism, nor am I championing for it. I'm of Albanian descent myself and while I'm white, I am still darker than the normal Norwegian and I tend to stick out like a sore thumb when I'm there, so I'm not giving excuses for something that doesn't affect me personally.

Quoting SmokinL1011 (Thread starter):
I have personally, first hand, witnessed 2 Roma (Gypsy, to use the non p.c. term) people being attacked within the past 5 weeks on the streets of the city in which I live.

Unfortunately the gypsy problem that you describe happens in almost all other European cities. I think that deserves its own thread if you want to talk about it.

Quoting SmokinL1011 (Thread starter):
There were several Norwegian taxi drivers

I thought there no Norwegian cabbies left  Smile


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences, feeling an outsider like you described sounds really sad. Yes, racism exists in every country unfortunately, taking different forms.

Happens here in Finland too for sure, some of my own friends have faced racism. I think we Nordics tend to think that racism is less typical up here than somewhere else, but I don't think that's a fact.
The difference between Finland and Norway is that most of the immigrants in Finland are from Russia, Estonia and the other Eastern-European countries. Looking much like the aboriginals helps - until you open your mouth. Sadly, speaking Finnish with a Russian accent still put you to b-class in some peoples mind in Finland. The growing need of working force most probably means Finland will get a lot more immigrants in coming years, I hope the society adjusts to that.

Quoting TIA (Reply 7):
Unfortunately the gypsy problem that you describe happens in almost all other European cities

The gypsies from Romania and Bulgaria have been a hot issue also in Finland lately.
I guess in this matter the cultural code is rather similar in Norway and Finland: in the Protestant Lutheran society begging is seen especially shameful, for the beggar and for all, it's the state who should take care of the poor and homeless. I noticed this in myself: when walking through the Helsinki city center at Friday night I don't mind seeing typical Finnish drinking habits, which would be out of question somewhere else, but seeing someone begging upsets me.

[Edited 2008-07-13 17:15:35]

User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9364 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
they need immigrants in Norway!

Funny, I just saw the Norwegian film "Reprise" over the weekend and we were remarking how there was not a single non-white face in the entire film. (That we could recall anyway).

As a side, we also found it amusing that the characters in film were in a band that was singing a song about being screwed over by the prime minister. I guess people everywhere complain about their government, no matter how "good" they have it.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9323 times:

I'm not sure why people shouldn't be racist. If that's how they feel about their space being crowded out. As long as it doesn't lead to violence, it's not a problem. Ghandi praised silent protest and we all agreed with him. Let's forget political and media PC rubbish.

We all need immigrants to take low wages and consume. They perform a crucial economic role. However, if they fail to integrate succesfully into their host country then they should pay the consequences.

I think Norway is very tolerant of immigrants.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9259 times:

You guys living in Norway, what you think about the Progress Party, FrP?

The YLE news in Finland just told that this populistic right-wing party, the second largest political party in Norway, keeps on growing. According to a latest poll 30.7 per cent of respondents would vote for the (FrP) in the next federal election. It sounds FrP opposes the development of a is multicultural society saying that different cultures don't mix and arguing for a return of refugees, a quota on immigration and restrictions on the rights of Norway's indigenous people, the Sami.
Is this really a fact, do one third of Norwegians really support these ideas?


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9217 times:
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Quoting Andaman (Reply 11):
You guys living in Norway, what you think about the Progress Party, FrP?

The YLE news in Finland just told that this populistic right-wing party, the second largest political party in Norway, keeps on growing. According to a latest poll 30.7 per cent of respondents would vote for the (FrP) in the next federal election. It sounds FrP opposes the development of a is multicultural society saying that different cultures don't mix and arguing for a return of refugees, a quota on immigration and restrictions on the rights of Norway's indigenous people, the Sami.
Is this really a fact, do one third of Norwegians really support these ideas?

I think most Norwegians like having FrP as an opponent to the ruling parties, as the FrP's views on issues often demand that ruling parties cannot get away with everything they try to. Sort of "keeping the bastards honest". But also, I think most Norwegians do not trust FrP enough to let them rule the country, that's why FrP usually get few votes every time we have elections. FrP has hungered for power for 30 years... if we trusted them enough they would have won by now...

As for the OP's question, I don't think Norwegians are more rasict than others, however we are often wary of people coming from other countries, especially countries where there is a lot of trouble, like war, corruption, never-ending poverty, ancient way of thinking in regards to women's rights and religious beliefs etc. Most of these people coming here try to get away from all this and live a more Westernised life, but some just want to sponge off others, and those are the ones that give all foreigners a bad name and hence make us more wary.

I lived four years in Australia in the 1990's and met a lot of Asian students. Many of those (not all, mind you) could not stand other Asian nationals and they treated black African students very poorly. White, yellow or black skin - many people dislike other people, worldwide.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9170 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
I'm not sure why people shouldn't be racist. If that's how they feel about their space being crowded out. As long as it doesn't lead to violence, it's not a problem. Ghandi praised silent protest and we all agreed with him. Let's forget political and media PC rubbish.

We all need immigrants to take low wages and consume. They perform a crucial economic role. However, if they fail to integrate succesfully into their host country then they should pay the consequences.

The idiocy of racism is in the false conclusion that the "race" of people had anything to do with anything β€” except one's own prejudices.

It is one thing to be cautious of certain individuals for reasons in the respective individual's behaviour; But discriminating people without any actual basis just for looking a certain way or belonging to a certain ethnic group is just stupid and immoral.


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9110 times:



Quoting SmokinL1011 (Thread starter):

Do you speak Norwegian? Just curious to know to understand your situation bit more.

That is not specific to Norway, unfortunately, it's a Europe if not world wide thing.

I think the world is a sad place when it comes to these issues... unfortunate truth is that most of the countries in Europe are quite racist today. For some reason especially when it comes to immigrants from Eastern Europe. Why?

Fact is that Polish, Serbian etc. etc. workers are immigrating to other European countries in search of a better salary - no problem with this in general. Problem starts when these workers are paid much less for the same work than the nationals. For the immigrants the pay is more than they would get in their home countries, however it's very often not enough to survive in the more expensive countries like Norway which without a doubt causes issues and problems. Also if the nationals starts to loose jobs because they are now too expensive - because the immigrants are doing the same job with much less money. For sure the nationals will get angry over this, who wouldn't? Then it is easy to point the finger to all immigrants - but it's not really their fault now is it?

If the case would be that these immigrants would get the same salary from the same job as the original population, would there be less racism? I'm quite sure there would.

Question is... why I (a Finn) have been accepted by the nationals when I have been working in other countries - when at the same time see especially the Eastern Europeans being bullied and discriminated? Where is the difference? Finn or Polish? Is it because I get the same level salary than the nationals and are hence in the same level with them to compete for the jobs? Just a stupid and unfair prejudice?

Quoting Andaman (Reply 8):
speaking Finnish with a Russian accent still put you to b-class in some peoples mind in Finland.

... to be honest, I believe (or at least want to believe) that in general we are becoming more tolerate against the Russians in Finland.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 9):
Funny, I just saw the Norwegian film "Reprise" over the weekend and we were remarking how there was not a single non-white face in the entire film.

... that's just because Norwegians are white. Nothing more to it! I can not recall many Finnish movies with a non-white face (or then I just dont register the "colour") - because Finns are white.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12877 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9102 times:
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I work and socialise with many Norwegians. I have never heard, seen or even sensed anything approaching racism. The Dutch aside, it's hard to imagine a more "laid-back" people than the Norwegians.

Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
... that's just because Norwegians are white. Nothing more to it! I can not recall many Finnish movies with a non-white face (or then I just dont register the "colour") - because Finns are white.

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It is noticable how few non-white people you see in the Scandinavian countries. I don't think this means they're all racists!

The town in which I live has a large Asian community (mainly Pakistani, some Indians), we even have a Mosque. You couldn't make a film in or about the town without including them. However, when I visit my friend who lives just over 100 miles away, if we attend a social function in his area, it is noticable there isn't a single non-white face! Surprisingly, 5 miles down the road is Birmingham, with probably the largest Asian community in the UK.

It would be easy to get the wrong impression by simply taking a "snapshot".



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Maybe they are a bit xenophoebic... ie not liking/or bothering with anything that is different from themselves.... I think it is understandable given that Scandanavian countries are probably the most uniform Western countries in the world in terms of looks (Blonde hair, Blue Eyes). Whilst anyone who is legally and rightfully in a country should be treated fairly, it always comes back to the age-old question of: If you don't like it then why did you move there?

I know many Western nations in particular are trying to let in skilled workers to help with their economies, and that many of these workers are from completely different ethnic backgrounds and cultures. But the facts are that most Western countries have a much more affluent lifestyle and better living standards as well as being democratic and offering many social services. These are for the most part the reasons why immigrants are attracted to Western nations... so if they are a better place to live and there is demand to move there, why is it that these nations aren't more strict on who they let in and also follow up on those they have let in?
As someone above pointed out, many local people are p*ssed off with some of the things that immigrants do. The government should be deporting these people. Now if people want to argue that locals do that to, well so what? Its their country, they were born there and it is up to that country to do what it needs to do with them. If new immigrants say that that is a double-standard, well so be it and tough sh*t...choose another country if you don't like it or stay in your own as your new adopted country didn't force you to come there!



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9061 times:



Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
... that's just because Norwegians are white. Nothing more to it! I can not recall many Finnish movies with a non-white face (or then I just dont register the "colour") - because Finns are white.

Yes, I know. That comment was in response to a note about minimal immigration in Norway.


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9045 times:



Quoting SmokinL1011 (Thread starter):
Are Norwegians Racist?

Of course they are. As are the Ethiopians, and the Australians, and the Indians, the Americans, the Irish... Every country is full of racists / sexists / homophobes / ageists.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9040 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
The idiocy of racism is in the false conclusion that the "race" of people had anything to do with anything β€” except one's own prejudices.

It is one thing to be cautious of certain individuals for reasons in the respective individual's behaviour; But discriminating people without any actual basis just for looking a certain way or belonging to a certain ethnic group is just stupid and immoral.

But nonetheless it is a force to be reckoned with. Fact is, the characteristics we associate with 'race' occupy an otherwise uninteresting section of the human genome.

We all bleed red, anyway.

My niece's husband is Norwegian, and he's a good guy, although very reserved-which may put people off a little because we Americans are mostly hail fellow well met types. He's an engineer with John Deere in Rock Island. My wife's always saying there's something squirrely about him but I have not seen it.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9016 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
But nonetheless it is a force to be reckoned with.

Sure it is. Everybody has that "looks alien β€” is probably dangerous!" impulse somewhere; The human choice is just being aware of it and overcoming it or giving in to the lowest instincts which β€” if unchecked β€” merely turn us into savages, completely regardless of our own tone of skin.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8999 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
Sure it is. Everybody has that "looks alien β€” is probably dangerous!" impulse somewhere; The human choice is just being aware of it and overcoming it or giving in to the lowest instincts which β€” if unchecked β€” merely turn us into savages, completely regardless of our own tone of skin.

Edwin Armstrong, the famed radio inventor once said "It's not what people know that's dangerous-it's what they know that ain't so that's dangerous."


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8988 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21):
Edwin Armstrong, the famed radio inventor once said "It's not what people know that's dangerous-it's what they know that ain't so that's dangerous."

Wise words.


User currently offlineSmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8964 times:

Quoting DABZF (Reply 14):
Do you speak Norwegian? Just curious to know to understand your situation bit more.

Yes I do, not 100% fluent, but at an intermediate level. As do all the immigrants I personally know here.

Quoting Andaman (Reply 8):
I think we Nordics tend to think that racism is less typical up here than somewhere else, but I don't think that's a fact.

That's the reason I started the thread, to get feedback from Norwegians on their own perception of what is happening here. I have the strong impression that in Norway a great many believe in equality for all, as long as all doesn't try and rent the apartment next door or come to work in the same company...

Quoting Andaman (Reply 8):
The gypsies from Romania and Bulgaria have been a hot issue also in Finland lately.
I guess in this matter the cultural code is rather similar in Norway and Finland: in the Protestant Lutheran society begging is seen especially shameful, for the beggar and for all, it's the state who should take care of the poor and homeless. I noticed this in myself: when walking through the Helsinki city center at Friday night I don't mind seeing typical Finnish drinking habits, which would be out of question somewhere else, but seeing someone begging upsets me.

The two cases where I saw Roma attacked here they were both doing something at least to earn money - one with a shoeshine box and the other selling roses.

The funny thing is I have no problem when I see Roma on the street selling, playing music, even simply begging, but on the weekends when the entire city is filled with obnoxious Norwegians of all ages out binge drinking I just cringe at the immaturity of this destructive drinking culture.

Quoting Andaman (Reply 11):
You guys living in Norway, what you think about the Progress Party, FrP?

They are making large gains in the polls, and in municipal elections last year they won quite a lot. Here's an article about public comments by Kenneth Rasmussen, the #4 on the FrP list in Bergen at the time. This was some months before the elections in which FrP took over 20% of the vote, a 3% gain over the previous election, and the mayor of Bergen is now an FrP member.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1665371.ece

edited to get a working link

[Edited 2008-07-15 11:51:38]

[Edited 2008-07-15 12:02:14]

[Edited 2008-07-15 12:03:13]

User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8919 times:



Quoting SmokinL1011 (Reply 23):
The two cases where I saw Roma attacked here they were both doing something at least to earn money

I didn't mean to defend those attackers in any way, it sounds very low behaviour.

It seems it's hard for Finns also to get used to the Roma people from the new EU states but Romas are not anything new here actually.
Finland has a rather large Roma miniority of its own, they have been living here for past 500 years, though both their culture and their status in the society are rather different from what it is in the SE Europe.

Quoting SmokinL1011 (Reply 23):
the entire city is filled with obnoxious Norwegians of all ages out binge drinking I just cringe at the immaturity of this destructive drinking culture.

I know, something happens to the controlled Nordics at the weekends...  drunk 


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