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F1 2008, Hockenheim!  
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Hi all,

We have reached half of the season, and the WDC is by all means very open.
From now on it's the one who is most consistent and ends up in the top 3 that will bring home the title. Well, that's my view of it.

Hockenheim is another of my favourite tracks as it's a high speed track, and I think we will see Alonso challenging the BMW's (as in Canada). I just hope Alonso is not pushing it too hard this time.

RBR/Webber will most likely show some good performance again, as he seems to be happy lately.

A lot of you score Hamilton to be the new rainmaster as he drove an excellent race at Silverstone, but lets not forget Heidfeld who really showed some great stuff in the wet, and I really rank him above Hamilton on this one.

So,
Does anyone dare to predict the result for Hockenheim?
I don't anymore, as ususally I get to eat my own words.  Wink

But for the sake of it,
1. Kimi
2. Hamilton
3. Massa

Track data,
Number of Laps: 67
Circuit Length: 4.574 km
Race Distance: 306.458 km
Lap Record: 1:13.780 - K Raikkonen (2004)

Aim for the sky!
Sudden


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

I am really looking forward for this GP. It will get really exciting to see who will take the lead in the WDC after this race.
Will be interesting to see if Heidfeld can continue his good performance from Silverstone in Hockenheim also.
Do anyone know if this is a more "Ferrari track" or a "McLaren track"?? Hope you understand what I mean  Smile



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

You 'forgot' the video again  Wink



Love this track, on this video it looks as if they only drop below 50mph once  silly 

rgds --James--



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

On a related note, does anyone know why GoogleEarth still shows the old, long circuit going way off to the east? Or for that matter why the F1 websites don't orient their circuit maps north-up like the rest of the world.

Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
dare to predict

Not a chance. Many good drivers, many fast cars, way too many variables.

edit: On further study, where is parking for this event. There appears to be what could either be a parking lot with a lot of trees, or a large cemetary at the north end of the town of Hockenheim - is that it? Sure underscores the difference between Europe and the US. For a venue that could draw a hundred thousand people in the US, parking would be needed for maybe sixty thousand cars.

I went to the Indy 500 in 1999 and had to pay to park in someone's back yard about two miles from the track. I was in the shade and it only cost ten bucks, so not a bad deal but still the difference is dramatic.

[Edited 2008-07-14 09:42:26]


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Oh dear, take a look on this weather prediction for next week at Hockenheim: http://weather.weatherbug.com/German...ast.html?zcode=z6286&lang_id=sv-SE

Another rain affected GP???



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2377 times:



Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 2):
You 'forgot' the video again

No I didn't forget.
I thought we agreed on that I was to forget this, so that you got a reason to post as well.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2366 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
Another rain affected GP???

The more rain, the better. Why do you ask? It's simple: because only when it rains, will we see true action on the circuit. If conditions were dry, we'd have a yet another predictable race, which will likely end with the polesitter winning it. When it rains, we see maneuvers that we usually don't see anymore in F1 since all the security measures, circuit adjustments, strategies, new rules and busted cars made the races too damn predictable.

I recently read a column about the rain during the Silverstone GP, and how that brought real exitement to the race. The man who made the editorial said that he prays for more rain, this time in Hockenheim. Hell, even Indycar races on ovals are much more exiting than a single F1 race in regular weather conditions.


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2347 times:



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
On a related note, does anyone know why GoogleEarth still shows the old, long circuit going way off to the east?

For the record, if you look at Klettwitz, Germany you can see a very incomplete Lausitzring (about 1 mile SE of Klettwitz... it's pretty obvious), and they used the oval for Champ Cars as early as 2001. I guess Germany images in Google just haven't been updated in a while...



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2331 times:

I am all for the rain. The more the better as a previous poster said. This will give Hamilton all the chances to win. He proves great in stormy weather and if he can race a Lear Jet  airplane  and win he can certainly win Hockenheim.

Go Hammy!! I know you can win this one too!!  angel   cheerful 



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days ago) and read 2329 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
if he can race a Lear Jet and win he can certainly win Hockenheim.

Hm, he didn't race the Lear Jet around a track.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):

I am sure from now on you will wish for rain for every GP because of Hamiltons excellent drive in Silverstone.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Oh not at all!  no 

I can't imagine any rain in some of the countries where the competition will take place. Monaco had quite a bit of rain at the start and then it cleared up. No one can decide on the weather and that's a good thing.  sun 

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
I am sure from now on you will wish for rain for every GP because of Hamiltons excellent drive in Silverstone.




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User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
So,
Does anyone dare to predict the result for Hockenheim?
I don't anymore, as ususally I get to eat my own words.

My prediction is that the top 3 positions will be occupied by 3 different drivers ??

In all seriousness i believe it will be a strong following from Ferrari, McLaren and BMW Williams. Having said that, if it is rain effected in anyway,we could be better of predicting the winner by throwing darts.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 2):
Love this track, on this video it looks as if they only drop below 50mph once
I used to love this track before it was butchered ? . Looking at the photos of the old track on Google Earth is quite sad.


On a side note, what is/had been the most rain effected F1 season to date? To me it seems like every second race has been rain effected and that there has been a abnormally high rain effected season

And finally, has anbody seen this article from F1 regarding Michael Schumacher's retirement. Apparently he did not want Massa to be unemployed.

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/index.shtml

[Edited 2008-07-15 05:16:28]


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2275 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
I am all for the rain. The more the better as a previous poster said. This will give Hamilton all the chances to win.

And the same for people such as Nick Heidfeld or even Sebastian Vettel.  Wink

As said, only in adverse conditions will we see how good these drivers truely are. Strategy will play a factor in all of this, but at the same time, skills will become much more important. Remember in the rain races in Fuji, and in Shanghai last year. Those races proved how skilled Vettel truely is (and ironically, those races were the worst Hamilton had made in that season).

The point is, a race in the rain is a make or break deal for anyone, because that's where you see how good they are.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Here is the weather report from F1.com: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/7/8096.html


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2229 times:



Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
From now on it's the one who is most consistent and ends up in the top 3 that will bring home the title. Well, that's my view of it.

I wouldn't count out Kubica. He's been more consistent at scoring points then anyone at the front of the field. If he didn't DNF at Silverstone he'd be leading.

Come on Heikki, you feisty Finn show us what you're made of!!


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2218 times:



Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
Does anyone dare to predict the result for Hockenheim?
I don't anymore, as ususally I get to eat my own words.

If wet as seems a popular prediction, you might need to alter yours Sudden??

How is the track for run-offs and by difference for safety cars?


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Now it's official, Vettel to join RBR next season. A great move that he really deserve!
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/7/8098.html

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
How is the track for run-offs and by difference for safety cars?

While not as wide-open as Silverstone, it is, nonetheless, reasonably open. The posted video gives a good feel.

Hopefully a SC would not be necessary in the event of a couple of Ferraris spinning.  duck 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2191 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 17):
Now it's official, Vettel to join RBR next season. A great move that he really deserve!

It was to be expected. One big plus is also that David Coulthard and Sebastian Vettel get along just fine, so Coulthard, just before his retirement, can give Vettel a few important pointers before Vettel takes over for him.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Guys...I'm exciting for the race...


BUT...I'm getting nervous because I was looking for the TV Listing...and Couldn't Find the F1 Race for this Sunday...they're playing something else on Speed TV...anyone know anything?


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 2160 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
It was to be expected. One big plus is also that David Coulthard and Sebastian Vettel get along just fine, so Coulthard, just before his retirement, can give Vettel a few important pointers before Vettel takes over for him.

D.C will be around even after that Vettel has taken over his seat, so he can most likely benefit from the experience that D.C have built up over the years.

Thursday press conference:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/7/8101.html

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 2156 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 17):
Now it's official, Vettel to join RBR next season. A great move that he really deserve!
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin....html

Really glad fot that young man. He has a future in F1!!



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 17):
Now it's official, Vettel to join RBR next season. A great move that he really deserve!

Good move for him, but isn't he also on loan to Red Bull from BMW?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2148 times:
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First practice just finished. Started wet, but was drying as the session progressed (without looking completely dry). Quite a few drivers had minor "offs" and a lot missed the hairpin.

Initial results

1. HAMILTON McLaren 1m15.537s
2. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m15.666s
3. MASSA Ferrari 1m15.796s
4. ALONSO Renault 1m16.163s
5. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m16.327s
6. ROSBERG Williams 1m16.606s
7. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m16.618s
8. HEIDFELD BMW 1m16.719s
9. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m16.821s
10. PIQUET Renault 1m17.063s
11. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m17.108s
12. BUTTON Honda 1m17.131s
13. GLOCK Toyota 1m17.185s
14. WEBBER Red Bull 1m17.268s
15. FISICHELLA Force India 1m17.471s
16. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m17.500s
17. TRULLI Toyota 1m17.556s
18. SUTIL Force India 1m17.784s
19. KUBICA BMW 1m18.779s
20. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m21.506s


The on-board shots of Raikkonen looked as though he was really struggling.   

[Edited 2008-07-18 02:48:58]


Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
25 Scbriml : Second practice has finished, with a completely dry session. Results: 1. HAMILTON McLaren 1m15.025s 2. MASSA Ferrari 1m15.722s 3. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m
26 Bill142 : Possibly lacking a bit of grip? or perhaps it was those spinning Ferrari gremlins cropping up again.
27 Aerobalance : Couldn't be light on fuel or anything like that? Isn't it true that qualifying times are more important than practice times?
28 MadameConcorde : Let's hope for the same today... and tomorrow! Go Hammy! I know you can do it!!!
29 Aerobalance : Go Nakajima! You can do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 Sudden : Yes, very much so. Yes, you can find the track!!!! Just follow the signs HOCKENHEIM!!! Aim for the sky! Sudden
31 Post contains links B747forever : So this will be in the end another rain affected race. And we do have a interesting qualifying today as it may rain during it: http://www.formula1.com
32 BA757 : I won't see the race unfortunately until next Friday, but no doubt this should be a great grand prix. The new Hock isn't the icon of it's former self,
33 Bill142 : The fuel light probably came on but he noticed that if he went around the corners faster it went off
34 Post contains links B747forever : Last practice results; http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2008/796/6536/
35 B747forever : Out are; Nakajima Piquet Barrichello Sutil Fisi.
36 SandroZRH : Sutil deserves a good kicking for holding up Kubica.
37 B747forever : Pity for Heidfeld that is out, he will start from P12 tomorrow
38 B747forever : Congrats to Hamilton on his 3rd pole this season. Kimi only 6th
39 Sudden : Well done to Trulli! Great to see him so far up the grid. Kimi only on P6, but he could have put in another lap as he had like 3 seconds to spare befo
40 Scbriml : Don't all the drivers in Q3 lift off as soon as they've finished their final lap. I'm far from convinced he's particularly heavy, he's been off the p
41 B747forever : Agree, he will have a tough race tomorrow.
42 WithaK : Can anyone tell me a site where I can get a stream of the race tomorrow. I've had trouble finding one that works in germany Kris
43 MadameConcorde : Search for Sopcast on Google and download it. You should get all sports and F1 live streaming no problem, with a choice of channels only most probably
44 Rockson : Not necessarily if there's time left and you want to make a final attempt, right?
45 Sudden : Indeed! As I wrote above, he crossed the line before the flag came out, so he could have made another run. Well, compare his times from Q1 and Q2 wit
46 Post contains links Scbriml : IF there's time and IF you want to, yes. Otherwise, as I said, the driver finishes his final lap and then lifts off. All the drivers are slower in Q3
47 Rockson : I don't know if he is heavy on fuel or not, but if he is I wouldn't expect him to say it.
48 Sudden : No worries mate, but that he would be this slow in Q3 by just saying he can not find the right set up, sounds pretty corny to me, seeing both Trulli
49 Scbriml : Well, once qualifying is finished, it doesn't really matter. Very often a driver who qualifies lower than expected with a heavy fuel load, says somet
50 Sudden : Am not able to view the video as my laptop has a mind of it's own the last couple of days. I take your word for it. Anyone else missing the old Hocke
51 B747forever : No we havent actually, and I doubt we will see any tomorrow too.
52 Boeing74741R : I am. And to be honest Hockenheim doesn't feel the same now that it's gone, it's just like every other track on the calendar. All set for an interest
53 Scbriml : Yes, I do. However, more often that not, the races were boring and processional with car performance totally dominating driver skill. Most races ende
54 Sudden : And to top that off, did you guys know that the drivers can not stall the engine anymore cause if the engine management system notice that this is ab
55 Legoguy : Kovalainen has been fined 5000 Euros for some kind of illegal refueling method used during Q3. His 3rd position grid slot is safe and no doubt McLaren
56 Bill142 : That sounds typically German. Anti-stall has been around for a while. I would have thought it was eliminated as well. Could have a few laps more then
57 Duff44 : Since F1 cars do not have on-board starters, this is a good idea. What kind of uproar would it cause if a car that simply had a spin in the middle of
58 Sudden : They did actually use a different type. Not the normal one, but the one hanging down from above the car, where gravity is taking care of the fuel goi
59 Post contains links B747forever : Here is the report from F1-live. They say it was during Q2 the refueling happened, not during Q3. http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/0
60 Sudden : Naturally as he would not even be allowed to fuel in Q3. Aim for the sky! Sudden
61 ScrubbsYWG : my take so far... mclaren have improved their car and now have the best car on the grid Lewis is light Kubica is the next big thing in F1
62 B747forever : Okay, really good and clean start. Seems that Hamilton is on a 3stopper, and kimi dont have a good car at all.
63 ScrubbsYWG : nope.
64 B747forever : Agree now. He is simply just fast. And Kimi is even not on a one stopper, and makes so bad laps.
65 BlueElephant : No he's not...he's just brilliantly quick....so you feel that because he's so much faster than Massa he must be on a 3 stopper ( because nobody is fa
66 ScrubbsYWG : hamilton is looking amazingly fast. i sure hope this isn't the future of f1. oh well, next year will be interesting without the aero bits and the KERS
67 B747forever : SC is out. SC car is out. Poor Hamilton!!!
68 BlueElephant : I am pretty sure that Hamilton does pretty well in these conditions..I'm sorry to burst your bubble. He's extrememly quick off the start from Safety
69 ScrubbsYWG : shit happens. huge impact for glock. right rear suspension failure. Hope he's ok.
70 BlueElephant : Hmmm they didn't bring Hamilton in...I wonder if thats going to hurt him later on....Hope not.
71 B747forever : Alonso was outside the white mark when you drive off the pitlane, wonder if he will get some kind of punishment??
72 ScrubbsYWG : it looks like there was no choice for him, but i cant remember something similar. looks like hamilton is still on fire, and massa is either not trying
73 ScrubbsYWG : i can just imagine all the comments on other boards about those non team orders there. even worse if something happens to mclaren. so now it looks lik
74 BlueElephant : And Hamilton takes the position....bring it on Piquet....
75 B747forever : Congrats to Hamiltons 4th win this season. Really glad for Piquet. Wonder what will happen now, if McLaren will get any punishment for the team order.
76 BlueElephant : BRILLIANT Drive...those last few laps were awesome! Team Order?...I don't think there were any...if you're talking about the pass on Kovalainen by Ham
77 Sudden : HAHA.............. Go Piquet! Alonso have said that Piquet needs to bring home more points for the team. I guess this was not what Alonso meant. First
78 B747forever : That is not true at all. And you could see clearly that Kovalainen just let Hamilton to pass him. And isnt that what is called team order??
79 Legoguy : Amazing racing from Hamilton with a totally dominant win. 4 wins this season, 8 in total. Despite the bad luck with the safety car timing he somehow p
80 BlueElephant : No...If you want to know what Team orders are...you should ask Barrichello and Schumacher. What Kovalainen did was Logic....He knew he had to let his
81 B747forever : Here we go again, coming up with old things. whatever you say it seemed like a team order. Will be interesting to hear the press conference. We will
82 ScrubbsYWG : hamilton put on a clinic today. no doubt mclaren has found pace in the last month or so, but hamilton is shining at this point. Kovi is nowhere near w
83 Legoguy : The fact that Hamilton was almost caught out at the time by following Kovalainen into the corner on the normal racing line suggests to me that it was
84 B747forever : That is true. Now it is Ferraris turn to chase McLaren,
85 Moo : No, a team manager telling a driver 'pull over and let your team mate through' is illegal, but a team manager telling a driver 'your team mate is fas
86 NA : Congrats Lewis, that was again a stunning performance. Massas car had serious issues with the brakes and tyres after his 2nd stop, so the dramatic ove
87 Sudden : How old it may seem, it is a good reference. Kova is not stupid, and knew how fast Hamilton was, so why hold Hamilton up when it could have costed Mc
88 Moo : One thing on Kovis mind is that while he may try to defend against Hamilton, the more time and effort he spends on that, the less time and effort he
89 B747forever : Yeah, but wonder which car it will suit best for??
90 B747forever : Isnt Piquets podium today the first for Renault this season??
91 MadameConcorde : Absolutely fantastic race by Hamilton today, could not dream of anything better in spite of all the difficulties he had to overcome. I thought he woul
92 ScrubbsYWG : yes it is filler filler
93 Sudden : Hm, why doesn't it state no. 1 anywhere on his car then!? Aim for the sky! Sudden!
94 Moo : I don't know which ITV you were watching, but the UK one was not on a commercial at the time - it was following something else in the pack and the ra
95 Boeing74741R : Until we can get a recording of the radio conversations between Lewis, Heikki and the team to suggest/prove/disprove that it was all down to team ord
96 Moo : If Ferrari do complain, I think its likely that 'someone' will make a complaint about the Ferrari team order incident in Malaysia this year...
97 MadameConcorde : I did not mean for the whole year 2008. I only mean for now, after this race. I hope it will stay like this all the way until the end of the season...
98 Jamesbuk : Quite a boring race to be honest. The only excitement was in the last 15-20 laps when Glock crashed and Hamilton put in that phenomenal performance. W
99 Boeing74741R : I don't think Ferrari will lodge a complaint. Also if somebody was to complain about Malaysia hasn't the window of opportunity to do so now passed?
100 Duff44 : I'd like to point out that after the 10th race last year, the points looked like this: Hamilton - 70 Alonso - 68 Massa - 59 Raikkonen - 52 And we kno
101 Waterpolodan : Maybe it was boring up front until the last safety car period, but there were fairly constant battles of a high quality going on further back in the
102 Scbriml : Very good drive by Hamilton, a bit of a masterclass to be honest. As much as it pains the Ferrari fans here to admit it, the McLaren (when driven by H
103 Boeing74741R : And even then it will be a test of how good of a 'bitch' he is (i.e. holding back other drivers from overtaking Heikki and proceeding to give chase o
104 Sudden : I think Massa gave the position away by moving to the left. Easy for me to sit here and be wise, but he could maybe better stayed on the inside inste
105 Moo : Oh isn't it obvious, Masa was playing team orders!
106 Scbriml : On the evidence of the last two races, Hamilton doesn't need much help at the moment. However, I'm sure Ferrari will come back at McLaren. While I ex
107 Bill142 : Kovalinen would have known that Hamilton was faster, and letting him past would have made more sense then holding him up. It's only a team order if th
108 Sudden : What is obvious is that you have no clue of what you typing, as how on earth can it be team order if you are not even team mates!!!??? Aim for the sk
109 Baroque : Oh Sudden, what can I say? Assuming you are not playing the same game, hook, line and sinker comes to mind. Moo has a rather good grip on what he is
110 Scbriml : Indeed, and, if memory serves, Hamilton won there last season. The following race at Valencia looks to be a similar circuit, with a preponderance of
111 Post contains links Rockson : Lewis Hamilton has said he will do everything he can to make his team McLaren the greatest team in Formula 1 history. The young Briton has the ambitio
112 B747forever : Wow, amazing, after not even two season he thinks he is the best in F1. Think he is already Hamiltons "bitch".
113 Scbriml : Something of an over-reaction from Sweden! He doesn't mention any other drivers, never says "I'm the best ever" or even "I'm better than..." and simp
114 B747forever : It can be our weather
115 Scbriml : Maybe, but it can't be any worse than our summer. Silverstone was a fairly accurate image of the Great British summer of 2008.
116 Rockson : I just think its a little too much to say that HE wants to take McLaren beyond what the TEAM Ferrari have achieved, and that HE wants to make McLaren
117 B747forever : Remember China last year when he could secure the WDC??
118 Bill142 : At least he hasn't resorted to desperate measures to secure a WDC.
119 Davehammer : He's a 23 year old with big ambition who has done brilliantly so far. Oh sorry because he's English he's meant to be a plucky loser isn't he... Oh and
120 Post contains links BlueElephant : Umm...Hold YOUR (Prancing) Horses please. I just read that same article you posted, and It never once mentions in there anything about Schumacher. In
121 Scbriml : I really don't see why you should have a big problem with that. He says he wants to help make his team the best (IMHO he has the talent to acheive th
122 Scbriml : I'm glad I'm not the only one who read it that way.
123 Rockson : "- I'd love to make McLaren the best ever" sounds like can do it on his own. I never said he isn't a good driver, he sure is! But without a good car H
124 Waterpolodan : Give him time, Bill, give him time... Schumacher hadn't done so either 2 years into his career. I'd put money on Hamilton doing something as cheap as
125 Scbriml : I think all we're arguing about are the semantics of what he said and what he meant. Which is no different to any other driver - look at Alonso in th
126 MIAspotter : Alonso? Not the best last couple of races for Ferrari, hopefully they will sort their problems out and come back stronger, I know they will. For a mo
127 Sudden : As so often before, you are not thinking in line with the context of the article, but pissing off instead because Raikkonen is not currently in the s
128 Egmcman : Both drivers have equal status McLaren the team Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmash (McLaren CEO) say it quite often. Well done Lewis looks like we are se
129 B747forever : I wont even bother to argue with you. True, and that is McLaren famous for, not to have a nr 1 driver.
130 Scbriml : Contractually, that may well be the case, but, in a situation where one driver is consistently better than his team-mate, he becomes the de-facto no.
131 Sudden : Smartest thing you wrote in a long time. Aim for the sky! Sudden
132 Post contains links MadameConcorde : According to an article in the Italian newspaper Il Messaggero, Kimi Raikkonen proved of bad behaviour again, denying an autograph to a 4 year old lit
133 Boeing74741R : I wouldn't say it's bad behaviour just more ignorance. Sure if it was me and I didn't get his autograph I'd be disappointed but then again since when
134 Post contains links B747forever : " target=_blank>http://www.ilmessaggero.it/articolo....RSONE Think I have found the incident in Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvoGqB-j_U&f
135 Astuteman : I'd be interested to hear who of the current drivers makes a more compelling argument just at the moment. Aside from winning, he also wiped the floor
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