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Where's The Fairness Doctrine Now Ms. Pelosi?  
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2008/07/16/AR2008071602562_pf.html

Seems to me that Speaker Pelosi has no problem with media bias when the reporting is favorable to democratic candidates. Her silence speaks louder than words.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1644 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Seems to me that Speaker Pelosi has no problem with media bias when the reporting is favorable to democratic candidates. Her silence speaks louder than words.

That really goes for the entire DNC.


User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1614 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Seems to me that Speaker Pelosi has no problem with media bias when the reporting is favorable to democratic candidates.

Seems to me that the media has been pretty easy on McCain too. They accuse Obama of flip-flopping for a couple things while McCain changes his mind on a daily basis, or just gets the facts wrong entirely.
As for why she has no problem with the media bias when it favors democratic candidates; probably because she's a democrat. It's pretty standard in politics. Just like Democrats were against a special counsel when it investigated Clinton, but now they wish they hadn't eliminated it.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

So what does Speaker Pelosi have to do with this? This is apparently a decision made by the three networks, which are private businesses.

User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1588 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
So what does Speaker Pelosi have to do with this? This is apparently a decision made by the three networks, which are private businesses.

Speaker Pelosi has been a vocal advocate of bringing back the "fairness doctrine" to eliminate what she sees as a strong conservative the bias in the media.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1583 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
Speaker Pelosi has been a vocal advocate of bringing back the "fairness doctrine" to eliminate what she sees as a strong conservative the bias in the media.

And the Speaker and the fairness doctrine has zero to do with this trip. It's being cover because the networks in their opinion, believe the trip is newsworthy. Plain and simple.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1571 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
And the Speaker and the fairness doctrine has zero to do with this trip. It's being cover because the networks in their opinion, believe the trip is newsworthy. Plain and simple.

Then why is it when radio hosts want to discuss certain topics which they consider newsworthy, Speaker Pelosi interjects herself and says that the country needs to reinstitute the fairness doctrine?


User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1537 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
It's being cover because the networks in their opinion, believe the trip is newsworthy.

What makes the trip more newsworthy than when McCain travels overseas?



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1531 times:
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Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 7):
What makes the trip more newsworthy than when McCain travels overseas?

It's very simple. McCain is a "been there-done that" politician the world is familiar with, and he's seen as the second incarnation of Bush -- who the rest of the world has seen more of than they like to think about.

Obama, on the other hand, is potentially the first black president who is is arguing for changes in foreign policy that would indicate a more collaborative approach. His reception is likely to be warmer, more interesting, more up-beat. And he might even put his foot in his mouth.

Given that news is 75% entertainment these days, and that you don't have an unlimited travel budget, which one would you cover?



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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1513 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
It's very simple. McCain is a "been there-done that" politician the world is familiar with, and he's seen as the second incarnation of Bush -- who the rest of the world has seen more of than they like to think about.

Since you think he's the "second incarnation of Bush" it's obvious you aren't that familiar with him or his policies...

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
And he might even put his foot in his mouth.

Don't worry if you miss the foot in mouth, just keep watching... it happens every few minutes...  Cool

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Given that news is 75% entertainment these days, and that you don't have an unlimited travel budget, which one would you cover?

Neither Obama nor McCain doing Europe has much news or entertainment value.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Why is it people get up in arms when told that Rush, Hannity, FOX, O'Rielly, Drudge, et al. are not honest and balanced news reporting, but when someone quotes NYT, Randi Rhodes, MSNBC, they are shouted down and told they are liberal heathens?

I have run into those types in person.

There is really no news anymore. It is about sales. Brad and Angelinas kids, Michael Jackson, are Madonna and A-Rod doin' it? what is Paris Hilton wearing this time? are more newsworthy than what the government is doing. Yes, government stuff can be boring, but I think that is way more important than what color Linsey Lohan painted her breakfast nook.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Psst Pope: According to the Nightly News, the press WAS not invited on McCain's trip..and the Democratic primary was still being hotly contested.. that is where the news was at that time.

[Edited 2008-07-17 17:29:21]

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1472 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
So what does Speaker Pelosi have to do with this? This is apparently a decision made by the three networks, which are private businesses.

No they are not. They are required to play by the rules the FCC lays down. That's why you don't see the language and behaviours you see on cable. The equal time doctrine should apply here. If they are going to interview Sen. Obama on his trip through Europe and the middle east they should have done it for Sen. McCain to be fair.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Obama, on the other hand, is potentially the first black president

Potentially the first? Who was potentially the other?  wink 

Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Given that news is 75% entertainment these days, and that you don't have an unlimited travel budget, which one would you cover?

Doesn't make any difference. The equal time rule should still apply.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
the press WAS not invited on McCain's trip..

Of course had they said "can we come along?" he would have said no. I actually think he was smarter. Instead of the dog and pony show this will turn out to be I have a feeling Sen. McCain was actually able to discuss facts and find out things that the crowds and attention will deny Sen. Obama.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):
The equal time rule should still apply.

The strict equal time rule hasn't been around since Reagan. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):
Who was potentially the other?

Have you checked to see who running for the Green Party nomination?

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):

Of course had they said "can we come along?" he would have said no.

Wasn't he on a military flight? Perhaps the military had a say in this due to safety concerns? Anyways nothing news worthy came out of the McCain trip except for some screw-ups on his part when speaking.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):
I have a feeling Sen. McCain was actually able to discuss facts

Right How many times McCain (R-Media) has travel to the middle east for exposure?

[Edited 2008-07-17 17:57:19]

User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1454 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
The strict equal time rule hasn't been around since Reagan. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

No, you are talking about the fairness doctrine as it applies to radio and tv station programming. The equal time rule as it deals with political candidates still applies.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Have you checked to see who running for the Green Party nomination?

Yes, why do you think I put the wink in there?

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
Anyways nothing news worthy came out of the McCain trip except for some screw-ups on his part when speaking.

Your opinion and irrelevant as well..

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):
How many times McCain (R-Media) has travel to the middle east for exposure?

Your opinion again.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26484 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1447 times:



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):

First, why are you arguing it? If you think the Fairness Doctrine should remain extinct, you should not have a problem with this. Second, it looks to me like Obama offered this opportunity and McCain didn't. That sounds like it was McCain's fault for not taking advantage of this chance.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1447 times:



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Your opinion again.

A question is not an opinion..

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
Your opinion and irrelevant as well..

Apparently, the national media (mainstream and non-mainstream) agrees with me.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
No, you are talking about the fairness doctrine as it applies to radio and tv station programming. The equal time rule as it deals with political candidates still applies.

And if you read the act, the paragraph that I posted in the other tread you would see that it doesn't apply.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
The equal time rule as it deals with political candidates still applies.

I suppose a really good lawyer could make an argument that neither McCain nor Obama are currently a political candidate since they haven't been officially nominated by their respective political parties.


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1438 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 16):
A question is not an opinion..

A question can be posed as an opinion.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 16):
Apparently, the national media (mainstream and non-mainstream) agrees with me.

As I stated in the other thread they will not be held accountable but the fact remains they are violating the equal time rule. Not the fairness doctrine, that is something entirely different.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 16):
And if you read the act, the paragraph that I posted in the other tread you would see that it doesn't apply.

As I said I will get the exact FCC rule and post it both here and in the other thread when i have the chance.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 16):
I suppose a really good lawyer could make an argument that neither McCain nor Obama are currently a political candidate since they haven't been officially nominated by their respective political parties.

A really good lawyer wouldn't touch it. Both Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain have declared themselves candidates, that's all it takes.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

I'm not quite sure that the Fairness Doctrine comes into play here. That said, it just proves (for the millionth time) that the mainstream media has pretty much become the media wing of the DNC. Whatever. Although it is quite disgusting as fair journalism has taken a back seat to active advocacy. As the networks go further and further into the bag for Democrats and Obama, their ratings will continue to fall. Interestingly enough, Terry McAuliffe, Clinton's chairman has said that he believed that (the universally hated, despised, spat-upon) Fox News was the most fair network in their coverage of the primaries.


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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 1391 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 16):
And if you read the act, the paragraph that I posted in the other tread you would see that it doesn't apply.

Ok, too tired last night to fool around on the computer. Here is the actual rule.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...7/usc_sec_47_00000315----000-.html

The pertinent part is below the 4 qualifiers.

Nothing in the foregoing sentence shall be construed as relieving broadcasters, in connection with the presentation of newscasts, news interviews, news documentaries, and on-the-spot coverage of news events, from the obligation imposed upon them under this chapter to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views on issues of public importance.

This is the catch-22 of the rule. As a broadcaster you can go ahead and focus on one candidate for a week if you wish, but that does not relieve you of having to provide "equal time" to his/her opponent. If Sen. McCain demands the time, they are obligated to give it to him in some form or other. If the network gives Sen. Obama a total of 20 minutes interview time, they are then obligated, should he or his campaign demand it, 20 minutes of equal time. In practice that won't happen because the networks would play up the "whiner" aspect of the demand and the only time this rule really comes into play is when one candidate thinks he's been charged more for air time than his opponent which is the second part of the rule.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
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Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):
The equal time doctrine should apply here. If they are going to interview Sen. Obama on his trip through Europe and the middle east they should have done it for Sen. McCain to be fair.



Quoting RJdxer (Reply 12):

Doesn't make any difference. The equal time rule should still apply.

You sound like such a pinko commie... Controlling the media!



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 1372 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 18):
Fox News was the most fair network in their coverage of the primaries.

IMO, nobody had "fair coverage" of primaries. After McCain sealed the deal, everyone focused their attention on the Hillary/Obama fight. That is all we heard about for the longest time was Hillary/Obama.

Also, since when does a two or three word paraphrase become equal time? I have noticed that when one candidate or spokesperson for one party says something, the opposing view is usually boiled down to two or three words. Not just on FOX, but everywhere.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
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Have any of you noticed that McCain has been talking left and right about Obama's trip too?

I mean he is feeding the frenzy, "The trip is, too long, too short, too peaceful, too late, too soon, useless, use the trip to talk to military" he just doesn't shut up about it.

[Edited 2008-07-18 12:07:33]


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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1336 times:



Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
First, why are you arguing it? If you think the Fairness Doctrine should remain extinct, you should not have a problem with this. Second, it looks to me like Obama offered this opportunity and McCain didn't. That sounds like it was McCain's fault for not taking advantage of this chance.

I'm not arguing it. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the Speaker's position.

Second, Pelsoi's previous arguments for the fairness doctrine would require the media time to be made available, NOT that the show invite the guest. For example, if Rush interviewed McCain, her position wasn't that Rush would have to extend an invite to Obama, but rather that Clear Channel (or its individual stations) would have to make the same number of minutes available to Obama's people for a counter argument.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Sorry RJ, you didn't print the whole code section. Let's just print the information above the paragraph that you printed.

Appearance by a legally qualified candidate on any—
(1) bona fide newscast,
(2) bona fide news interview,
(3) bona fide news documentary (if the appearance of the candidate is incidental to the presentation of the subject or subjects covered by the news documentary), or
(4) on-the-spot coverage of bona fide news events (including but not limited to political conventions and activities incidental thereto),
shall not be deemed to be use of a broadcasting station within the meaning of this subsection.

Since Obama trip falls into #4, the networks do not have to give McCain equal time.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 22):
mean he is feeding the frenzy, "The trip is, too long, too short, too peaceful, too late, too soon, useless, use the trip to talk to military" he just doesn't shut up about it.

He giving free time to Obama. I wonder if he is sorry that he didn't come up with the idea of talking with the leaders of European countries, instead of "leaders" of government of countries that are unstable.

Anyways RJ, subject to validation of your law degree, I won't put that much faith in your opinion on this subject.

[Edited 2008-07-18 13:41:21]

25 Falcon84 : I didn't know Madame Speaker was in charge of the Network anchors, Pope? That probably shoots down your lame theory that the Dems control the media. N
26 Pope : Your statement just highlights your ignorance of Speaker Pelosi's own statements on the matter. Perhaps you should Google what the Speaker has said a
27 Falcon84 : Her statements 1. Don't matter, and 2. Aren't relavant here, as was explaned earlier. It does not fall under the Fairness Doctrine, which you're just
28 Pope : There's no law against that - at least as long as Speaker Pelosi doesn't get her way. But I've never once criticized a substantive position on a matt
29 Max550 : She talked about it a little bit, it got nearly zero support, yet Limbaugh and Hannity talk about it as if the entire Democratic party is behind it.
30 RJdxer : Again, if you read the sentence below those four points, which I referenced in my post and didn't bother to repost since a mature person would unders
31 N1120A : The issue here is that Obama asked them along. If McCain asked them along and they refused, you might have an argument.
32 Falcon84 : Newscasts don't fall under the fairness doctrien, RJ. And that's why the anchors are going to follow him. I don't recall, whenever Mr. Bush made a tr
33 MaidensGator : I don't know that I'm a really good lawyer, but I'll claim to be pretty good, so I looked up the definition of legally qualified candidate. RJdxer is
34 RJdxer : See above. This time bother to read it. Because the media were all over Kerry. For every minute the President got Kerry most likely got two. Correct,
35 Falcon84 : I'm sure your reactionary mind remembers it that way. More's the pity. It may not be close to the truth, but it obviouisly makes you feel better, and
36 DL021 : The "fairness doctrine" is a load of unconstitutional crapola in my humble opinion. The networks are entitled to cover anyone they want however much t
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